Several players I'm not familiar with have sorta morphed together after so many posts...
This...this so much. So much of this game feels like noise and unproductive bickering more than anything else...it's torture to read through, and after taking a few hours to go through it all I don't feel I've gotten much of anything out of it.
As I look at this vote count it looks, to me, like there is at least one mafia member among those voting for CL. Why? Because CL was 3p, and Laur had accomplished the singular task of fake copping someone, lying about it, and creating a situation where CL made himself an easy target to vote. The rub with voting CL, though, comes in the form of CL's claim which is best exemplified by Laur. That is, exercising caution and going elsewhere with a vote.
We have 7 voting for CL:
Captan Lunch: 7 (Cozmikrae, Abbi, Dolby, Wintermoot, Gerrick, NoName)
And I would expect at least one to be mafia.
Notably, the only other wagon close to CL's staggering 7 votes is Gerrick at 3 which isn't saying a lot.
Gerrick: 2 (Aersoldorf, Captan Lunch, Laurentus)
Or 2 I suppose if there are shenanigans going on with the votes. Excluding CL, that leaves only Aer and Laur as the ones on Gerrick. I see Aer more on the townie side of things if only because I haven't disliked his posting. He hasn't struck me with anything scummy in terms of content, but I am interested in why he went with Gerrick here as opposed to CL. Laur's position is already known regarding why he voted Gerrick. His interactions with people are varied and idk how I'd place him as scum wrt to potential teammates (for example my take on ENE and then having to assess Laur/ENE as being on a team which calls for a look at how they've interacted -- I don't see it necessarily unless Laur is power wolfing and ENE is playing ballsy with claiming which makes for an odd combination in and of itself for D1 which I find hard to convince myself of even if I were biased).
Going back to the 7, I'd choose Wintermoot every single time. Gerrick voted the only other wagon than himself which is understandable. Dolby hasn't struck me negatively or oddly to date, and No Name has appeared townie to me with their content (most notably how they've responded to others). I'm ignoring Neon here for now because of her high fluff content and constant talk about neighbors and tea. I mean, only talking about that and posting a large amount of fluff and gifs doesn't do it. It took jumping in on CL, which was easy for anyone, to get some reaction from her, and I don't feel strongly about it. Like, hard null kind of feeling. Cozmik moves on by as not a stand out person to me.
Outside of Wintermoot, from that large group, I am looking at Anubhav with the vote on No Lynch. There's something to be said about someone who doesn't get drawn in by how CL reacted to everything. Like, not even going after CL, Anubhav opted not to go for, say, Gerrick much like Laur in an attempt to treat CL's claim seriously. Might be a time thing though. Might.
What else is there? TGN and ENE's votes? Eh.
I don't agree with your reasoning...why would wolves jump on the one obvious wagon and make themselves suspect? It would be much easier to vote elsewhere and claim (not wrongly) that there's no good way of knowing when you're voting on D1.
My hot take is that we may as well treat Moot as Town, I don't think he shirks his scum team like this. I think he'd probably feel more comfortable putting on his developer hat on to this extent if he's Town.
I appreciate the vote of confidence.
However, the fact is that none of the work I did required me to have access to information a player shouldn't have, so I would be just as comfortable putting a vote system together regardless of my own role. The wisdom of doing so during a game that I was already going to have trouble being active in is debatable either way, too.
I do actually agree that I feel Wintermoot could indeed be scum but I'm not sold on that so much because Moot is also genuinely busy with a lot of things and I have seen Moot sign up for wolf before and than essentially cease to exist within it and usually that happens as town and not wolf but I still agree to that extent.
I always feel like I need to sign up for these things to support Wintreath and the people who put the games together, because I know what it's like to try to get things going and not have much interest, I think more players make games more fun, and because Werewolf specifically attracts so many players from outside our own community...but then we get in these situations where there's hundreds of posts a day and a lot of cross-talk between people I don't know and can't get a read on either way, and I end up not contributing at all. It's not something I find fun and I feel like I end up doing it out of a sense of duty.
It's probably time to admit that in super-active games like this I can better contribute as a developer or host/designer than as a player. The post about me not being impactful is fair, and I'm not sure what I can contribute to this game when the more I read the more lost I feel.
Going forward I'll probably only sign up for more casual, slower-paced games.
Wintermoot can i ask you what your reads are lol
I read your repeated posts about not getting my attention, and for that I'm sorry...this is literally the first time I've gone through the thread today as a player. I wish for such a wait I could be more helpful...
I started by looking at the votes from day 1, with the assumption that wolves would not want to pile on the only wagon in the game. My feeling is that it'd just be too obvious, unless you think it's one of those things where it's like "it's too obvious, but knowing that they know that, we'll do it because they won't expect it". So I looked at people who voted elsewhere or didn't vote:
TGN voted for me with the reasoning that he needed to vote for someone, and I thought that was fair because it's the main reason I voted for Captan_lunch. There's been a lot of talk of his derpyness, too...on one hand, he hasn't felt out-of-character to me, but on the other he's shown an ability in past games to fly under the radar. Suspicion of him is probably warranted for that reason, but not enough to make me actually vote for him.
Eastern New England voted for TGN because of the forementioned derpyness, and there was a lot of discussion about his role to the point that it seems pretty settled that he's probably town. Nothing seems suspicious there to me, either.
Aersoldorf voted for Gerrick because he didn't like Gerrick's response to Lau's claims. I don't necessarily agree, but it's D1 and it's hard to say the reasoning is entirely invalid. Again, I feel that Aersoldorf was particuarly helpful in his posts on D1, to the point that I
want him to be town, but it'd also be a great persona to take on as a wolf. I feel like he would be capable of being a "helpful" wolf as well, but I don't know him well enough to have a strong conviction.
Laurentus voted for Gerrick as well, and actually shifted from voting for Captan_lunch to do so, which could be seen as trying to avoid the suspicion of being part of that wagon at the end. There was a lot of discussion about his fake claim in D1, and I thought ExLight made some excellent points questioning the productivity of the move, which KingofDominaria also elaborated on. I also question the productivity of the move...it eliminated some time and discussion that people spent voting for Gerrick because they thought he was the man and the phase was essentially over. I also believe Lau would have the balls to pull to do it whether he was town or wolf, especially since he seems to be taking more of a YOLO attitude toward Werewolf these days. Still, I would hesitate to actually vote for him at this point, if only because I always seem to find him suspicious in Werewolf games.
Lau and Neon seem to be pretty much in lockstep with each other this round as well, which makes me think the likelihood that they're both wolves is low...again, I feel like at this point in the game wolves would not want to openly associate with each other in case one gets voted off and revealed. I don't have any particular feelings about Neon, though.
ExLight voted for Lau and seems to have maintained suspicion at least through the night phase. I don't have any particular feelings about him otherwise, but noticed that he and KingofDominaria seem to also be mostly in lockstep with each other this round, so again I would think the odds of them both being wolves are low.
KingofDominaria didn't vote at all, claiming both that he missed the vote because he was sleeping and that he wouldn't have voted for anyone regardless. It seems true enough, given that his last post in Day 1 was unvoting Gerrick. I am, of course, dismayed that he is voting for me this round, but he's not wrong in questioning my impact on the game, if you believe we should be voting people off based on their impact alone.
If I had to vote for one of the wagons that's forming up, it would be KingofDominaria...not really because he voted for me, but because I feel his assumptions are faulty (that those who voted for Captan_lunch are the most suspicious and that we should be voting off unimpactful players regardless of alignment). I don't think there's enough substance to vote for TGN at this point, and I'm certainly not going to vote for myself. But I don't have a strong feeling about him either way, and I may just end up using my no lynch vote this round.
In fact I'll do that now in case I don't have a chance to vote before end of day.
Vote: No Lynch