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[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

Quick and dirty votecount update, bolded the leading wagon(s) for ease of reference:

Gerrick - 1 (Red Mones)
BSR - 3 (Sapphiron, Gerrick, TGN)
Sapphiron - 4 (Minish, Humandawn, Legacy of Smiles, Vroendal)
TGN - 4 (cozmikrae, Doc, ExLight, Wischland)

No votes yet from (and @ing as a reminder to do so since there's only a couple hours left in this phase IIRC? or is there another day...?):
@Anubhav Ghosh, @BraveSirRobin, @Imaginative Kane, @Michi, @Wintermoot, @NyghtOwl.

IMO TGN is a better lynch than Sapph, because that would give a pretty clear indication of Vro's alignment - and, I suppose, serve double duty as a very late policy elimination - but either is good from a wagonomics angle.
I didn't know it was that close until I saw the score

what do you think of TGN not voting Sapphiron to save himself

lol we'll see
you were townreading Sapph on D2, why did he drop into "kinda sus"?

I cry...
I can't go 0.5 microseconds without a post
Not as many post as last game

Posts seem to pick up towards the end of phases. Everyone wants to make their decisions and wants to see what will happen.

So I'm gonna have to BSR. I simply haven't seen a coherent defense from him as of yet.

Vote BSR

Sorry for the EBWODP

How much time is left in this day phase.  I am not sure I will be able to read through all of the posts before EoD happens so that I can try to compose a defense and reevaluate my reads.

I would not necessarily be that annoyed this time if I was lynched though I definitely would not recommend doing it.  @Legacy of Smiles and @ExlLght could you explain why I am sus?  I think I understand that some of the cause is just from my regular playstyle (voting away from the wagons and holding back information that I lack), or is that wrong?

Uh Kane I don’t think anybody voted for you yet? Also, 5.5 hours if I calculated correctly

I would not necessarily be that annoyed this time if I was lynched though I definitely would not recommend doing it.  @Legacy of Smiles and @ExlLght could you explain why I am sus?  I think I understand that some of the cause is just from my regular playstyle (voting away from the wagons and holding back information that I lack), or is that wrong?

I'm not really sure, I think there were a few posts of yours that pinged me a bit.
From the top of my head I remember you burning your No Lynch really early on, that vote defending yourself seemed a bit outta nowhere and hyperdefensive, and you being on the fence about Silver.

You also seem to only have voted for BSR throughout the whole game despite his wagon never being viable, which gives limited information for us. A bit funny you didn't seem to pressure them this phase despite this being the closest he got of being lynched tho.

Uh Kane I don’t think anybody voted for you yet? Also, 5.5 hours if I calculated correctly

cowboyless turtle smiley boy voted him but changed vote right after once I asked for it to be placed in one of the top wagons

If I have to vote between the two:

Vote: Sapphiron

I don't find the quantity of posts from him suspicious, but I do find the quality to be. Sapphiron is usually very insightful in Werewolf, but I haven't felt much insight from him this game. He tends to either vote early giving brief reasons or jumps on bandwagons...he was the 4th vote that stuck on Ruguo last day if my records are correct, and he just now voted TGN (in fairness, to defend himself most likely). But even then his reasoning "I am more useful to Town alive than dead," is about as generic as you can get.

I am concerned that few seem to be able to get confident reads of TGN this far into the game, but to vote for him I would have to believe that TGN is a wolf for a second game in a row and that he and Ruguo were both engaged in an elaborate show last turn just in case one turned out to be the wolf. Seeing there there was no votes for Ruguo at the time and it seemed very unlikely that they would be exposed at the time, I find that to be unlikely. It's not impossible for TGN to be a wolf, but I don't think it's likely either.

Some thoughts about putting on shows though. Ruguo's show with TGN reminded me of a suspicion I'd raised earlier with Vro over something similar:

I mean, just saying "do what you will" definitely won't do you any favors. :/ Come on Michi I'm really trying to give you a chance here. I miraculously survived the entirety of last game even though I was wrong on many points and looked incredibly suspicious beyond that, and I survived because I never completely gave up defending myself, just laying down and saying "lynch me" goes beyond just being suspicious to just being anti-town.

This came off as very odd to me. You spent practically all of D1 pushing for Michi, then just as he's going to be killed off you make a big show of graciously giving him a chance, unvote him, vote for him again, and then at literally the last minute while Lau's counting the votes unvote him again which ties him and Hapi up at the end to start with. You didn't seem to have much self-doubt before the end of the round, so why the cold feet right at the end? Was it even cold feet, or a show for the rest of us to make you look like an uncertain townie and to distance yourself from pushing the Michi bandwagon to start with?

It also reminded me of how Doc, who is voting for TGN and has said that he's a better kill than Sapph, said that in a situation where a wolf is publicly helping someone, it should be inferred that one of them isn't a wolf.

If we were scumbuds, I wouldn't be advising him on proper conduct out in the open, I'd do it in PMs like I did the last time. At the very least, you can infer one of us isn't scum. Which I'll elaborate on later in the post (which I wrote before this, but you posted between when I started writing this and when I finished the first pass only to get told of 2 new replies, *sigh*).

If in that situation we're supposed to infer that one isn't a wolf, shouldn't that also hold true with Ruguo/TGN?

I would not necessarily be that annoyed this time if I was lynched though I definitely would not recommend doing it.  @Legacy of Smiles and @ExlLght could you explain why I am sus?  I think I understand that some of the cause is just from my regular playstyle (voting away from the wagons and holding back information that I lack), or is that wrong?

I'm not really sure, I think there were a few posts of yours that pinged me a bit.
From the top of my head I remember you burning your No Lynch really early on, that vote defending yourself seemed a bit outta nowhere and hyperdefensive, and you being on the fence about Silver.

You also seem to only have voted for BSR throughout the whole game despite his wagon never being viable, which gives limited information for us. A bit funny you didn't seem to pressure them this phase despite this being the closest he got of being lynched tho.

I was not actually intending to No Lynch and I did not officially use it since I changed my vote to BSR.  My reason for the early defensive posts is just to start preparing a defense early since I usually seem to be suspicious which often results in some wagon danger.

That is true that I only voted for BSR, my reasoning for that was because I did not see agree with the major wagons that were up on those days (I found out how wrong that belief was last day phase but was correct on the first day phase).  The only reason I ever join those wagons is because I fully agree or mostly agree and find them suspicious.  Otherwise, I vote for someone else who I find suspicious despite it not making a difference.  That is just how I vote normally, sorry if that makes you suspicious of me.  The reason I have not pressured them in this day phase is because I have not been online for most of this day phase.  Yesterday, I simply did not open up this website or log in because I was starting on some assignments and watching some shows.  The one post I did make, I think explains well enough why I did not vote at that point in time.

If I have to vote between the two:

Vote: Sapphiron

I don't find the quantity of posts from him suspicious, but I do find the quality to be. Sapphiron is usually very insightful in Werewolf, but I haven't felt much insight from him this game. He tends to either vote early giving brief reasons or jumps on bandwagons...he was the 4th vote that stuck on Ruguo last day if my records are correct, and he just now voted TGN (in fairness, to defend himself most likely). But even then his reasoning "I am more useful to Town alive than dead," is about as generic as you can get.

I am concerned that few seem to be able to get confident reads of TGN this far into the game, but to vote for him I would have to believe that TGN is a wolf for a second game in a row and that he and Ruguo were both engaged in an elaborate show last turn just in case one turned out to be the wolf. Seeing there there was no votes for Ruguo at the time and it seemed very unlikely that they would be exposed at the time, I find that to be unlikely. It's not impossible for TGN to be a wolf, but I don't think it's likely either.

Some thoughts about putting on shows though. Ruguo's show with TGN reminded me of a suspicion I'd raised earlier with Vro over something similar:

I have noticed a little of that with Sapphiron's posts in this game but at the time I did not think that was necessarily suspicious as opposed to just being busy like with the last game.  That trend continuing in a second game though seems less likely.

While I do not like it considering they were just advising me in their last post, I think I have a new suspicious target for the moment. It is unlikely I will have the time to change my vote (in case Sapphiron provides a good defense) if there is about 5 hours left in the day phase since I will have had one of my more stressful classes a few hours before (and I tend to focus on that class until I go to bed on the same day (or more often that morning).  Knowing some of the other people on the wagon have been labelled suspicious, I am worried about being on this wagon but it seems more likely than my suspicions of BSR, and Gerrick, and Moot (since those are all gut feelings extending from worries based off of other games as opposed to suspicions I can back up with posts (at least for now)).

Vote Sapphiron

I can understand the suspicions on TGN but I have a strong gut feeling that they are not a Titan.  Even after reading the last game, actually they remind me of a few of my posts from my early non scum games.

Speaking of vote, I'd like to put mine here for now:

Vote: Imaginative Kane

This is the person I feel is most likely to actually flip wolf based on what I'veread so far, I'll explain my case shortly.

I think it is both relevant and necessary for you to state your case for this today for the sake of hearing all perspectives, and whether it has changed based on Kane's latest posts or not.

I am more useful to Town alive than dead,
Vote: TGN

Are you able to expound upon this in any way? That statement alone isn't going to make anyone unvote you. If you're waiting for a better reason/opportunity, I think now is the only time you should present your defense. It sounds like you're going to plan to present a defense at the very last second and leave us a very narrow margin of time to change our minds to make us panic so we do switch off of you, which I do not appreciate.

Like if you're softing a power role, soft harder, right now, it's do-or-die for you. You have presented no believable or realistic reason why we shouldn't lynch you. Even a stronger case against TGN from you personally is something at least.

Unfortunately, you either trust me or you don't. I am not going to commit the same sin as I have done last game, allowing over-investment in the game to result in roleclaiming and rule breach. That will have to do to explain for my detached way of playing this round. You guys will find out whether you are right or wrong in lynching me soon enough.

Also, I don't believe it's that implausible for a person to be given the scum role twice in a role. You guys make it sound like Doc wasn't consecutively Wolf before.

I'm going to Vote: TGN

Not only to semi protect Sapph, who appears to be doing some pretty good hinting here, but also because Vro wants to defend TGN, which makes me suspicious, because Ruguo was scum and because Hapi was innocent.  Do we not remember that Ruguo was trying to tie Hapi and myself and Sapph together, and then Hapi was flipped and Ruguo flipped scum?  That should be obvious enough.  Maybe I'm relying too much on Valeria being similar here, but I definitely don't think that we should vote off Sapph right now, especially if the power role is in play as a possibility

Also as far as defending myself from a mention which is now like ages ago, Vro and Ruguo were anti me the whole game basically, which makes me really think that they're scum and working together, which I think is an appropriate conclusion from my situation.  *shrug*