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[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

CAN I POST WITHOUT ANOTHER POST

and at this point if me or ExLight gets lynched then we will know who is town and who is scum, but I still don't like how much ExLight has been focusing on me and only voted for me after Cozimkrae, again, like the last time.
I can't be the only one seeing this right?

I voted you because tying your wagon with BSR's was better than having yours and Sapphiron's with just 2 votes. I'm scumreading you both and townreading BSR, so of course I'd want to push one of these to stand a better chance.

Townreading BSR?
idk if my memory is right but didn't people sus him due to inactivity in the beginning?

Inactivity isn't a scumtell for most players.
And from what I remember from the little he posted, he threw suspicion against Silver, which was vehemently dismissed by the latter.

This is just a Kreaal 2.0. I'm not gonna keep wasting my breath.
If you're Town, make a final readlist and give some opinions on players.

BSR is historically lurky in my memory, and it's not helped by the preponderance of posts.
For example, Moot is usually much more active, but as he noted on Discord earlier today, he has 20 pages of posts to catch up on if he wants to make an informed vote today.

Frankly, I think a lot of people's meta reads as far as activity-inactivity and relative skill go are on the basis of the 'old' meta, before the Portal game really cemented the shift of our WW games towards being dramatically more active.
Honestly, if y'all want the lurkier or more inactive types to talk, maybe y'all who've made 9 posts in the time since I started writing this 15 minutes ago could walk back the activity a little, because it's fuckin intimidating to come home from work or class or just wake up in the morning and see 100 new posts.

I don't know what's going on with BSR, I voted him to pressure for a response, I even pinged him a bit later, he's been online recently, and still has not responded. Not happy about that.

Do you think he'd just be silently watching him getting lynched and be the second strike in a row or do you think he'd at least put some effort defending himself if he was scum?
To me the answer is pretty clear, right now the BSR wagon is on an inactive that can't defend himself. While this might go both ways, this doesn't change the fact his silence is likely NAI, if not slightly townie.

Personally, I already pointed out to finding Silver throwing shade at him D1 very natural and likely for scum!Silver, and I'm not sure why he's being scumread since Silver flipped scum.

My statement of not being happy was not in terms of my thoughts on his alignment, but rather in terms of if he is a townie he's not doing himself or the other townies any favors.

I do agree in his inactivity being an odd choice as a wolf, and I think I will switch to another wagon, especially since TGN has now voted him.

I feel like all my brain-power was just stripped away since D2 ended but that may be due to irl reasons. I don't trust my own town reads on TGN, but I still feel uncomfortable voting him. My lack of clear insights is partly influenced by my lack of surety of who I should trust.

Change Vote - Sapphiron

This is just a Kreaal 2.0. I'm not gonna keep wasting my breath.
If you're Town, make a final readlist and give some opinions on players.

can I have a list of players?
there are WAY to many for my brain to handle (bad short term)

This is just a Kreaal 2.0. I'm not gonna keep wasting my breath.
If you're Town, make a final readlist and give some opinions on players.

can I have a list of players?
there are WAY to many for my brain to handle (bad short term)

Players:
1. Ruguo
2. Red Mones
3. Vroendal
4. Gerrick
5. Adorable Oracle Hapi
6. Anubhav Ghosh
7. Sapphiron
8. Wischland
9. Minish
10. Michi
11. Imaginative Kane
12. BraveSirRobin
13. TGN
14. Wintermoot
15. NyghtOwl
16. Melehan
17. Doc
18. Ogun of Valeria / Legacy of Smiles
19. Alexander Valentine / ExLight
20. cozmikrae
21. Eastern New England / HumanDawn

from the first post
just to make clear Kreaal isn't in this one, it was a player in a game on ZD that was kinda acting like you so I'm just monologuing out loud

Honestly, if y'all want the lurkier or more inactive types to talk, maybe y'all who've made 9 posts in the time since I started writing this 15 minutes ago could walk back the activity a little, because it's fuckin intimidating to come home from work or class or just wake up in the morning and see 100 new posts.

...sorry umu

Can I get a quick vote count please? (in case somebody has been taking count)

TGN looks like he is about to be lynched - I don't feel confident pushing this but admittedly I don't have as much of a grasp of the game as other players so my opinion may be moot in who we should actually lynch. I don't buy that the whole thing was distancing. From my experience, how Ruguo coached TGN seems familiar of how I've seen scum coach town in how they act overly friendly. Ruguo would have had more success in trying to be combative to TGN to distance rather than give advice. Maybe you can argue that it's WIFOM and that's what they wanted me to think, but it's not the impression I'm getting at least.

@cozmikrae - Could you link me to the post that shows Ruguo linking himself to TGN?

The posts in question:

Ruguo accidentally linking himself to TGN

*insert generic complaint about reading the thread here*

Aww, Min doesn't like me anymore. That's sad. In my defense though, when have I ever scumhunted? I think I did one misguided attempt at attacking last game and a lot of waffling between the wifom.

Hey TGN, It's good to bring up past game in our defense, but do be careful that defending yourself or omgus voting isn't the only actions you contribute. I think the best way for you to absolve yourself would be to tell us how you're feeling about certain players, especially those of interest today. That currently seems to include You, BSR, Vro, Somewhat Michi, and I guess also me. Hooray, I'm interesting! I think Red could also be considered interesting if you wanna talk about that too.

I'd like to take a closer look at Sapph- something seems a bit off there. Now I could be misremembering, but I've come to expect longer and more of a...frustrated yet cheerful headvoice from him. I'm getting more of a blase feeling, and I don't remember if that's good or bad. So I guess I'll go ISO and see if anything else seems of at some point.

My post was neither defensive or in response to 'suspicion thrown' my way. Ruguo just said I expanded a lot on a little for no good reason, and I legitimately wonder why people feel that way because it came up after D1 last game as well. Expanding a lot on a little is what everyone does on D1, so why is it odd that I do it?

That's fair, I wasn't sussing you, just trying to connect to your shoes. You just have a tendency to pick out somewhat strange things compared to others, Moot. That's not bad.

That's about what I've got, yup.

EBWOP: It would appear I forgot a Y in my post and have somehow ended up linking myself to TGN.

Hey TGN, It's good to bring up past game in your defense,

It's supposed to be like that. Sorry.

Just a potential Freudian slip. If you want to read it in context, this is about page 26. What was funny was how quickly he came back to fix it. I literally would never have noticed otherwise.

Quick and dirty votecount update, bolded the leading wagon(s) for ease of reference:

Gerrick - 1 (Red Mones)
BSR - 3 (Sapphiron, Gerrick, TGN)
Sapphiron - 4 (Minish, Humandawn, Legacy of Smiles, Vroendal)
TGN - 4 (cozmikrae, Doc, ExLight, Wischland)

No votes yet from (and @ing as a reminder to do so since there's only a couple hours left in this phase IIRC? or is there another day...?):
@Anubhav Ghosh, @BraveSirRobin, @Imaginative Kane, @Michi, @Wintermoot, @NyghtOwl.

IMO TGN is a better lynch than Sapph, because that would give a pretty clear indication of Vro's alignment - and, I suppose, serve double duty as a very late policy elimination - but either is good from a wagonomics angle.

Quick and dirty votecount update, bolded the leading wagon(s) for ease of reference:

Gerrick - 1 (Red Mones)
BSR - 3 (Sapphiron, Gerrick, TGN)
Sapphiron - 4 (Minish, Humandawn, Legacy of Smiles, Vroendal)
TGN - 4 (cozmikrae, Doc, ExLight, Wischland)

No votes yet from (and @ing as a reminder to do so since there's only a couple hours left in this phase IIRC? or is there another day...?):
@Anubhav Ghosh, @BraveSirRobin, @Imaginative Kane, @Michi, @Wintermoot, @NyghtOwl.

IMO TGN is a better lynch than Sapph, because that would give a pretty clear indication of Vro's alignment - and, I suppose, serve double duty as a very late policy elimination - but either is good from a wagonomics angle.

what do you think of TGN not voting Sapphiron to save himself

I am more useful to Town alive than dead,
Vote: TGN

Red Mones- Red Mones has been helpful, I think town lean
Vroendal- Has good defense
Gerrick- Like Mones, just less active
Anubhav Ghosh- I can't read, I just can't
Sapphiron- might be inactive but not as active as last game... kinda sus
Wischland- town lean... gut fealing
Minish- I forgot who is who... one is helpful
Michi- I forgot who is who... and one I can't read
Imaginative Kane- Null
BraveSirRobin- Inactive...
Wintermoot- town lean
NyghtOwl- null
Doc- got me to stop sh*t posting, town core
Ogun of Valeria / Legacy of Smiles- very helpful to us, just makes too many posts in a row
Alexander Valentine / ExLight- pushing on me only... scum lean
cozmikrae- very nice and helpful, but something tells me they have a connection to ExLight, Null
Eastern New England / HumanDawn- how many posts made? null

Quick and dirty votecount update, bolded the leading wagon(s) for ease of reference:

Gerrick - 1 (Red Mones)
BSR - 3 (Sapphiron, Gerrick, TGN)
Sapphiron - 4 (Minish, Humandawn, Legacy of Smiles, Vroendal)
TGN - 4 (cozmikrae, Doc, ExLight, Wischland)

Untove
Vote: Sapphiron
part is saving me
part is my sus of him (don't take out of context)

Quick and dirty votecount update, bolded the leading wagon(s) for ease of reference:

Gerrick - 1 (Red Mones)
BSR - 3 (Sapphiron, Gerrick, TGN)
Sapphiron - 4 (Minish, Humandawn, Legacy of Smiles, Vroendal)
TGN - 4 (cozmikrae, Doc, ExLight, Wischland)

No votes yet from (and @ing as a reminder to do so since there's only a couple hours left in this phase IIRC? or is there another day...?):
@Anubhav Ghosh, @BraveSirRobin, @Imaginative Kane, @Michi, @Wintermoot, @NyghtOwl.

IMO TGN is a better lynch than Sapph, because that would give a pretty clear indication of Vro's alignment - and, I suppose, serve double duty as a very late policy elimination - but either is good from a wagonomics angle.
I didn't know it was that close until I saw the score

what do you think of TGN not voting Sapphiron to save himself

Quick and dirty votecount update, bolded the leading wagon(s) for ease of reference:

Gerrick - 1 (Red Mones)
BSR - 3 (Sapphiron, Gerrick, TGN)
Sapphiron - 4 (Minish, Humandawn, Legacy of Smiles, Vroendal)
TGN - 4 (cozmikrae, Doc, ExLight, Wischland)

No votes yet from (and @ing as a reminder to do so since there's only a couple hours left in this phase IIRC? or is there another day...?):
@Anubhav Ghosh, @BraveSirRobin, @Imaginative Kane, @Michi, @Wintermoot, @NyghtOwl.

IMO TGN is a better lynch than Sapph, because that would give a pretty clear indication of Vro's alignment - and, I suppose, serve double duty as a very late policy elimination - but either is good from a wagonomics angle.
I didn't know it was that close until I saw the score

what do you think of TGN not voting Sapphiron to save himself

lol we'll see
you were townreading Sapph on D2, why did he drop into "kinda sus"?

I assumed that was partially driven by just not keeping up with the votecount, frankly. Which is part of why I thought to provide an updated one.
Unfortunately we can't draw any conclusions anymore, since now that Sapph voted for him, either 1) he doesn't, dies, and we find out for sure, or 2) he does and it doesn't look much like anything anymore, since whatever was keeping him and Vro from voting each other is obviously not in play here.
while-you-were-typing-3-new-replies-have-been-posted-induced 'edit':
yeah, see, option 2

Updated votecount:
Gerrick - 1 (Red Mones)
BSR - 1 (Gerrick)
Sapphiron - 5 (Minish, Humandawn, Legacy of Smiles, Vroendal, TGN)
TGN - 5 (cozmikrae, Doc, ExLight, Wischland, Sapphiron)

I typed...
BUT MY TEXT DIDN'T APPER
I meant to say
I didn't know the vote was that close until I saw

but we are still tied...