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[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

@Minish, my problem is that you're relying a lot on what you think the defender would do, (protecting a more common town read) which I agree is probably very likely, but without knowing the defender type's mind you wouldn't know for certain. You also don't account for that the defenders may not even want their target as the top town read, it's still a 50/50 that they targeted the player who was also attacked, and any discrepancies will stand out if they didn't protect an obvious target and the scum attacked that non-obvious target. I asked Lau after last game and he said the defenders wouldn't get told if they successfully protected their target or not, so it probably is a 50/50.

I'm definitely in favor of a reads list at some point, but right here right now with only the "top" town read is imo not the best way to go about this and poses a real danger to the defenders. I shall not be participating in this.

@Minish, my problem is that you're relying a lot on what you think the defender would do, (protecting a more common town read) which I agree is probably very likely, but without knowing the defender type's mind you wouldn't know for certain. You also don't account for that the defenders may not even want their target as the top town read, it's still a 50/50 that they targeted the player who was also attacked, and any discrepancies will stand out if they didn't protect an obvious target and the scum attacked that non-obvious target. I asked Lau after last game and he said the defenders wouldn't get told if they successfully protected their target or not, so it probably is a 50/50.

I'm definitely in favor of a reads list at some point, but right here right now with only the "top" town read is imo not the best way to go about this and poses a real danger to the defenders. I shall not be participating in this.

It's not just relying on just what the doc would do. It's also relying on what 4 scum members would do. I doubt both scum and docs would both choose the same random, non town read player out of everyone in this game.

I mean, just saying "do what you will" definitely won't do you any favors. :/ Come on Michi I'm really trying to give you a chance here. I miraculously survived the entirety of last game even though I was wrong on many points and looked incredibly suspicious beyond that, and I survived because I never completely gave up defending myself, just laying down and saying "lynch me" goes beyond just being suspicious to just being anti-town.

This came off as very odd to me. You spent practically all of D1 pushing for Michi, then just as he's going to be killed off you make a big show of graciously giving him a chance, unvote him, vote for him again, and then at literally the last minute while Lau's counting the votes unvote him again which ties him and Hapi up at the end to start with. You didn't seem to have much self-doubt before the end of the round, so why the cold feet right at the end? Was it even cold feet, or a show for the rest of us to make you look like an uncertain townie and to distance yourself from pushing the Michi bandwagon to start with?

Either way, your actions most directly led to Hapi being killed, and are worthy of scrutiny.

In regards to Moot, his post reeks of "I have no idea what's going on but really tried to make an informed effort", and I can also vouch that it has been busy within the region management. He does make a few good points, but it seems a lot like what I do- read up and only note on things that seem particularly odd, then expand a lot about a little for no good reason.

"A little" is about all anyone but the wolves have to go with on Day 1...it's no more odd than killing someone off because of their chaotic gameplay or bandwagoning someone because of how people think he should have felt about something based on past games. I had to make this kind of post after Day 1 last game too...why do people only think it's odd when I try to reason something out based on what we have to go on?

And here we have Exhibit C,  as presented by your former fellow scumbud who would be in a position to know:

OMG IT SAID YOU EDITIED THE POST!!!!!!!
YOU EDITED THE POST AND THEREFORE BROKE THE RULES OF THE GAME
VOTE LAU
FOR EDITING POST!!!!!!!!!!

lol

The werewolf is not the host.
Come on, you and I both know you're more competent than this. Take this seriously.

I don't know...I think it was kinda cute...Doc being the father figure to TGN. I think Doc should start a family and adopt TGN.

As long as people make it very clear in an easy way who their town reads are then that's all I want.

We have some new players here and I want them to be able to leave some hints behind should they flip a power role.

I mean, just saying "do what you will" definitely won't do you any favors. :/ Come on Michi I'm really trying to give you a chance here. I miraculously survived the entirety of last game even though I was wrong on many points and looked incredibly suspicious beyond that, and I survived because I never completely gave up defending myself, just laying down and saying "lynch me" goes beyond just being suspicious to just being anti-town.

This came off as very odd to me. You spent practically all of D1 pushing for Michi, then just as he's going to be killed off you make a big show of graciously giving him a chance, unvote him, vote for him again, and then at literally the last minute while Lau's counting the votes unvote him again which ties him and Hapi up at the end to start with. You didn't seem to have much self-doubt before the end of the round, so why the cold feet right at the end? Was it even cold feet, or a show for the rest of us to make you look like an uncertain townie and to distance yourself from pushing the Michi bandwagon to start with?

Either way, your actions most directly led to Hapi being killed, and are worthy of scrutiny.

I still feel that Michi was the better lynch for D1 for the reasons I had presented. I unvoted him to prove I was willing to listen so that he would respond in detail and voted him again when his response still failed to sufficiently satisfy me. I apologize for the last minute unvote, it was rather poor form. However, you can tell that it was a genuine last moment decision because I unvoted instead of voting a vanity wagon and saving myself the mandatory task of voting someone today.

I got cold feet because of my own usual paranoia, but mostly because of the amount of players saying they were uncomfortable in his lynch. I trust in the players who have played with Michi longer than myself in reasoning behind his alignment. However, I still suspected him and wasn't being pinged about Hapi's innocence, so I left it to a coinflip and hoped for the best. Those who voted Hapi in the first place put her in the position to be lynched, I just didn't stand in its way. My actions one can argue have been the more genuine for being confusing.

I mean, just saying "do what you will" definitely won't do you any favors. :/ Come on Michi I'm really trying to give you a chance here. I miraculously survived the entirety of last game even though I was wrong on many points and looked incredibly suspicious beyond that, and I survived because I never completely gave up defending myself, just laying down and saying "lynch me" goes beyond just being suspicious to just being anti-town.

This came off as very odd to me. You spent practically all of D1 pushing for Michi, then just as he's going to be killed off you make a big show of graciously giving him a chance, unvote him, vote for him again, and then at literally the last minute while Lau's counting the votes unvote him again which ties him and Hapi up at the end to start with. You didn't seem to have much self-doubt before the end of the round, so why the cold feet right at the end? Was it even cold feet, or a show for the rest of us to make you look like an uncertain townie and to distance yourself from pushing the Michi bandwagon to start with?

Either way, your actions most directly led to Hapi being killed, and are worthy of scrutiny.

In regards to Moot, his post reeks of "I have no idea what's going on but really tried to make an informed effort", and I can also vouch that it has been busy within the region management. He does make a few good points, but it seems a lot like what I do- read up and only note on things that seem particularly odd, then expand a lot about a little for no good reason.

"A little" is about all anyone but the wolves have to go with on Day 1...it's no more odd than killing someone off because of their chaotic gameplay or bandwagoning someone because of how people think he should have felt about something based on past games. I had to make this kind of post after Day 1 last game too...why do people only think it's odd when I try to reason something out based on what we have to go on?

And here we have Exhibit C,  as presented by your former fellow scumbud who would be in a position to know:

OMG IT SAID YOU EDITIED THE POST!!!!!!!
YOU EDITED THE POST AND THEREFORE BROKE THE RULES OF THE GAME
VOTE LAU
FOR EDITING POST!!!!!!!!!!

lol

The werewolf is not the host.
Come on, you and I both know you're more competent than this. Take this seriously.

I don't know...I think it was kinda cute...Doc being the father figure to TGN. I think Doc should start a family and adopt TGN.

just for that
Vote: Wintermoot

No one died? Well that settles it. Doc, TGN, and ENE are our wolves

In all seriousness, we may wanna push on the people who voted for Hapi. @NyghtOwl (who is town as far as I'm concerned), @Melehan, @Doc, and @cozmikrae.

I find it very interesting how you've excluded yourself from that list, especially considering you're trying to sus the rest of us. Looks like a scum play to me.

Why? I "retaliated" against Hapi's joke vote early on, but moved my vote off her because I'm not gonna have her lynched for no reason. I had nothing to do with her lynch:

Adorable Oracle Hapi - 4 (NyghtOwl, Melehan, Doc, Cozmikrae)

Looks more like you pushing suspicion off of yourself.

Snip

I mean, just saying "do what you will" definitely won't do you any favors. :/ Come on Michi I'm really trying to give you a chance here. I miraculously survived the entirety of last game even though I was wrong on many points and looked incredibly suspicious beyond that, and I survived because I never completely gave up defending myself, just laying down and saying "lynch me" goes beyond just being suspicious to just being anti-town.

This came off as very odd to me. You spent practically all of D1 pushing for Michi, then just as he's going to be killed off you make a big show of graciously giving him a chance, unvote him, vote for him again, and then at literally the last minute while Lau's counting the votes unvote him again which ties him and Hapi up at the end to start with. You didn't seem to have much self-doubt before the end of the round, so why the cold feet right at the end? Was it even cold feet, or a show for the rest of us to make you look like an uncertain townie and to distance yourself from pushing the Michi bandwagon to start with?

Either way, your actions most directly led to Hapi being killed, and are worthy of scrutiny.

In regards to Moot, his post reeks of "I have no idea what's going on but really tried to make an informed effort", and I can also vouch that it has been busy within the region management. He does make a few good points, but it seems a lot like what I do- read up and only note on things that seem particularly odd, then expand a lot about a little for no good reason.

"A little" is about all anyone but the wolves have to go with on Day 1...it's no more odd than killing someone off because of their chaotic gameplay or bandwagoning someone because of how people think he should have felt about something based on past games. I had to make this kind of post after Day 1 last game too...why do people only think it's odd when I try to reason something out based on what we have to go on?

And here we have Exhibit C,  as presented by your former fellow scumbud who would be in a position to know:

OMG IT SAID YOU EDITIED THE POST!!!!!!!
YOU EDITED THE POST AND THEREFORE BROKE THE RULES OF THE GAME
VOTE LAU
FOR EDITING POST!!!!!!!!!!

lol

The werewolf is not the host.
Come on, you and I both know you're more competent than this. Take this seriously.

I don't know...I think it was kinda cute...Doc being the father figure to TGN. I think Doc should start a family and adopt TGN.

just for that
Vote: Wintermoot

It's D2, let's not have any more joke votes.

just for that
Vote: Wintermoot

Friend. Please. I am begging you. Don't just vote like that.

Are you voting Moot because he said Doc should adopt you, or because something is pinging you? If something is pinging you, can you please elaborate on it? You're really good at picking up on little things, so I'd love to hear about what's going on in your head.


In other news, I have learned that I cannot tell a scum Minish from at town Minish- and that scares me.

Anyhow, a few thoughts.

As someone who recently also tied two wagons, I don't think it's odd that Vro would tie the wagon. It's the vote jumping that get him a swat from me. Then again, I tend to stick to one vote  as much as possible, so I might be a little biased.

ENE- hello, welcome back. Please contribute more today maybe, or I'm just going to assume you're a lurky scum.

Wisch- Don't worry, you're still useful! Please keep poking at things, lord knows Sapph could use a good prod every now and then.

Mel- I need more walls from you, buddy. I think you're losing faith. (Jokes aside, I think you're right that we should start looking at the wagons from yesterday. Smart wolves wouldn't all jump on one wagon, especially when two were viable.)

Doc- if you're going to drop in to state you claimed nothing of the sort, could you please drop in to be helpful?

Nyght- Watching lurkers is a good play, but we probably have some active wolves around. Anyone that's posted more than Doc/Coz giving you bad vibes? (I realize Coz has posted a decent amount, I'm just curious for your perspective on anyone that's posted recently)

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In other news, I have learned that I cannot tell a scum Minish from at town Minish- and that scares me.

Anyhow, a few thoughts.

As someone who recently also tied two wagons, I don't think it's odd that Vro would tie the wagon. It's the vote jumping that get him a swat from me. Then again, I tend to stick to one vote  as much as possible, so I might be a little biased.

ENE- hello, welcome back. Please contribute more today maybe, or I'm just going to assume you're a lurky scum.

Wisch- Don't worry, you're still useful! Please keep poking at things, lord knows Sapph could use a good prod every now and then.

Mel- I need more walls from you, buddy. I think you're losing faith. (Jokes aside, I think you're right that we should start looking at the wagons from yesterday. Smart wolves wouldn't all jump on one wagon, especially when two were viable.)

Doc- if you're going to drop in to state you claimed nothing of the sort, could you please drop in to be helpful?

Nyght- Watching lurkers is a good play, but we probably have some active wolves around. Anyone that's posted more than Doc/Coz giving you bad vibes? (I realize Coz has posted a decent amount, I'm just curious for your perspective on anyone that's posted recently)

My bad :p Tbf it's not like I wasn't consistent in who I was sussing. I'll grow confidence by being right in my suspicions, which doesn't happen a lot.

I agree with all your statements but would also like to ask:
Kane for his thoughts atm, on anything or everything.

BSR for likewise, where are you?

Silv, are you recognizing anything specific that could be pinging you about Minish?

I’m driving all day for a work thing. I’ll be on this evening to reply in depth. In the meantime, I’ll be keeping up with reading posts as I’m able.

Silv, are you recognizing anything specific that could be pinging you about Minish?

What part of "I have learned I cannot tell a scum Minish from a Town Minish" Didn't you get?

Okay, that sounds harsh. Sorry. But seriously, I have no idea how to tell the two apart. I just got done having my butt kicked by a scum Minish in another game and had no idea she was scum until the very last phase where I kinda maybe had a feeling that wasn't very useful. I'm afraid that I'm not going to be of help here.

Silv, are you recognizing anything specific that could be pinging you about Minish?

What part of "I have learned I cannot tell a scum Minish from a Town Minish" Didn't you get?

Okay, that sounds harsh. Sorry. But seriously, I have no idea how to tell the two apart. I just got done having my butt kicked by a scum Minish in another game and had no idea she was scum until the very last phase where I kinda maybe had a feeling that wasn't very useful. I'm afraid that I'm not going to be of help here.

Fair enough. It sounded to me like you were seeing conflicting reads instead of just not being able to tell.
If you notice anything at a later point, don't doubt yourself and come out and say it.

just for that
Vote: Wintermoot

I don't know why, Doc has been around for a long time would be a great person to take you under his wing, and he obviously cares about your Werewolf play. I'm going to assume for now it's not because you're both on a team of wolves again.