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Might as well hint my role now. I see where this all is going. I may not have had the best logic this game, but I still think I played my role as well as I personally was capable of at the moment. My main goal has been to publicly sus a good amount of people while simultaneously trying to clear as many as possible for myself, to get people to talk more to get better reads from what they have to say, and to be killed by scum at night.

To @Laurentus specifically but also everyone else while honestly at this point I would be fine with and understand the motivation behind lynching me if just for information and to remove the doubt from everyone's mind to focus on those who need to be focused on, I would much rather remain alive, as I am far more useful that way. Lau I've been approaching the game as I have for a reason, I never seem to shut up do I? XD

I'm a stickler for the host's rules when I remember them, and I'm in the I think unique situation where my role and my character actively relates to one another, meaning if either one is revealed the other is instantly obvious to the experienced player. That being so I have avoided everything related to it just out of honor and because revealing it literally could give my role to the scum, rendering it useless on some levels. If you would like me to hint at my role I will, but I have avoided doing so thus far.

I am more useful alive than dead, and without revealing it.

I shall neither confirm nor deny your brilliant theories about rings.

Which role is best served from not minding death from scum, but minding death from town, that doesn't visit, and that's not afraid to be talkative and be wrong from the get-go?

@Minish I know that you can figure it out the most easily. If you need more hints I can try to be creative, my brain is fried right now I need sleep.

You claiming Loudmouth?

Assuming you're claiming Loudmouth, this can be easily tested and verified, and actually used to the benefit of Town. Any Townie can visit you, and we can clear two people in one go the next day.

Okay, yeah. Note to scum: If you kill a Loudmouth, you will be iced the next day, because whoever performs that action will get revealed the next day. So the question you really gotta ask yourself is: do you feel lucky?

Vote: Ogunbiyi

For pretty much all the things Sapph pointed out earlier, and I will note that I found Ogun's defence of himself equally weird in my reads list.

It's getting rather close to EoD, I should probably vote now.
Vote: Michi

Many of the players I town-read are voting Michi, so I trust their judgement on top of my own. As Wisch pointed out, there are also a bunch of mechanical reasons.

Also - I'm running out of time and I prefer to stay alive 

Who are the players you're Town reading?

My town reads who voted Michi:

- Laurentus: Laurentus seems to have an aggressive playstyle, more aggressive than I would expect from a wolf. People who have played with them have also said that the style seems normal for their town-meta. AFAIK he has also been mechanically cleared by BSR.
- Wischland: I've only played with Wischland as town, but the way that she is currently acting and her post style pretty much sums up what I'd expect from her.
- Doc: Doc seems to come with good, logical arguments every now and then. They seem like town lean to me.
- Sapphiron: Sapphiron has cleared Hapi and Wintermoot, if I understand correctly? I can't really see a wolf clearing two people mechanically, especially if they are the same team.
- Wintermoot: Wintermoot is here solely because they are cleared and haven't done anything overly suspicious to make me think differently of them.

It's a bit hard to make reads on a bunch of people you don't know, so I could very well be wrong, but this is what made sense to me.

Yeah, none of those players were cleared before you made your vote for Michi on Day 2. Those clears were all made since Night 2.

Good point. I forgot to look when the posts were made. My top three town-reads are still valid, though.

The 4 scum may be -
Wille-Harlia
Flying
Human
ENE

I find this scum team a bit... weird. It seems highly unlikely to me. What are the odds that the scum are all XKI'ers?
I have to admit, XKI Werewolf is slower and the reason why we're this inactive is partially because it's hard to follow 55 pages of posts, but also because we never really post as much. As Wisch pointed out, I myself only post around twice per day phase. The reason I didn't post day 1 was because I was rather confused and overwhelmed to say the least (I'm not that practiced at forum WW). I wasn't used to the Random Voting Stage either and I didn't want to wagon (which I ended up doing day 2 instead, because we only have one no-lynch throughout the game  ).
Back to the point, I will not dismiss this scum list, but realistically it's only 1 or 2 of those players as wolf. I know why Vro and many others are mainly scum reading XKI'ers, since our regular, "inactive" playstyle very much borders the inactive scum meta of Wintreath.

This is a pretty fair judgment to make. But I also don't see why it should be dismissed when at this point it could only probably be a few players, the chances really aren't that far of a long shot. Realistically anyway, it's at least 1 or 2, but we've got to start somewhere. I say 2 seems very probable based on how the game has gone. Ty for posting, I understand it's been overwhelming and I admit my part in causing that.

That said, who do you think it is?

- Flying Eagles: FE has been acting a bit wolfy. I have only ever seen him play as wolf (as far as I recall), so his wolf and town meta might be similar.
- HumanSanity: Hard to read, could swing either way. Null read for now.
- Wille-Harlia: W-H is also hard for me to read. Also a null read.
Those were the XKI players. Now to the rest.
- Ogunbiyi: Ogun hasn't been making a lot of sense to me and it's quite possible that he's a wolf.
- Vroendal: Vro seems to act a bit wolfy, I read them as lean scum.
Those seem the most likely to me, even though I am not that good at making scum reads. If there is a second "XKI Werewolf", it'd be inbetween HS and W-H for me (assuming that FE is the first).

It's getting rather close to EoD, I should probably vote now.
Vote: Michi

Many of the players I town-read are voting Michi, so I trust their judgement on top of my own. As Wisch pointed out, there are also a bunch of mechanical reasons.

Also - I'm running out of time and I prefer to stay alive 

Who are the players you're Town reading?

My town reads who voted Michi:

- Laurentus: Laurentus seems to have an aggressive playstyle, more aggressive than I would expect from a wolf. People who have played with them have also said that the style seems normal for their town-meta. AFAIK he has also been mechanically cleared by BSR.
- Wischland: I've only played with Wischland as town, but the way that she is currently acting and her post style pretty much sums up what I'd expect from her.
- Doc: Doc seems to come with good, logical arguments every now and then. They seem like town lean to me.
- Sapphiron: Sapphiron has cleared Hapi and Wintermoot, if I understand correctly? I can't really see a wolf clearing two people mechanically, especially if they are the same team.
- Wintermoot: Wintermoot is here solely because they are cleared and haven't done anything overly suspicious to make me think differently of them.

It's a bit hard to make reads on a bunch of people you don't know, so I could very well be wrong, but this is what made sense to me.

The 4 scum may be -
Wille-Harlia
Flying
Human
ENE

I find this scum team a bit... weird. It seems highly unlikely to me. What are the odds that the scum are all XKI'ers?
I have to admit, XKI Werewolf is slower and the reason why we're this inactive is partially because it's hard to follow 55 pages of posts, but also because we never really post as much. As Wisch pointed out, I myself only post around twice per day phase. The reason I didn't post day 1 was because I was rather confused and overwhelmed to say the least (I'm not that practiced at forum WW). I wasn't used to the Random Voting Stage either and I didn't want to wagon (which I ended up doing day 2 instead, because we only have one no-lynch throughout the game  ).
Back to the point, I will not dismiss this scum list, but realistically it's only 1 or 2 of those players as wolf. I know why Vro and many others are mainly scum reading XKI'ers, since our regular, "inactive" playstyle very much borders the inactive scum meta of Wintreath.

Actually, and this not to tinfoil, but with the rules being what they are, there is very little preventing Wolves from adopting the same strategy as the Town leaders, and adding their scum buds into their Town Cores one at a time every other night phase. Any player can make any statement, say 'mechanically cleared' and you'd have very little reason to disagree. It's a risky strategy, sure, but I would expect at least one Wolf to try if the going got tough.

I'm unsure what tinfoiling means, but I can see your logic. I guess I didn't consider mechanically clearing someone as a wolf meta, because I wouldn't do it as a wolf. But I don't know your playstyles very well yet, so I should have assumed differently 

Not sure if I’ll have the chance to do so later so

Vote: Ogun

I'm unsure what tinfoiling means, but I can see your logic. I guess I didn't consider mechanically clearing someone as a wolf meta, because I wouldn't do it as a wolf. But I don't know your playstyles very well yet, so I should have assumed differently 

Yeah, it's a hail-mary play by any stretch of the imagination. Or a sufficiently insane Wolf play (looks at self, Minish and Doc).

Not sure if I’ll have the chance to do so later so

Vote: Ogun

Please don't vote without reasons.

I’m going to stick to my guns and Vote: Vroendal.

Same reason as last time. If anything, he’s more sus now than he was during the last day phase.

1) Myself, Daws
2) TGN, turtle
3) Hapi, Sapph, Lau
4) Others
5) Not really sure to be honest, haven't had the time to follow closely enough.
6) None
7) None

Is Michi dead? I'm really confused here."

I think Michi is alive, about 80% sure

also idk if being high on your list is good or not, I think so because I'm only 1 spot below you and Daws. However, I noticed that you called me "scum" and "scum lead" a few times, what made your opinion of me change? (also if you are the wrong person I'm VERY sorry)

No Michi is dead. 100%. He was lynched.

No, that's a quote from Flying Eagles. I still think you might be scum. Scum is the evil faction in this game, the one that Town is hunting.

No, that's a quote from Flying Eagles. I still think you might be scum. Scum is the evil faction in this game, the one that Town is hunting.

AH

Can anyone tell me why my multi-quotes will be out of order when I go to reply?

Hmm. Let's see how I can test this.

@Vroendal, do you have one of the 3, the 7 or the 9?

Any specific reason you didn't ask about the 1?

Because not doing so would make it unfair to Town, too.

Tbf, I'm used to playing with not knowing the amount of mafia in a game so it doesn't seem unfair to me.

Well, whatever the case, I am fairly confident that a one-shot ability points to one of the rings.

Not necessarily. It's true that the rings would he x-shot abilities. However other characters could have x-shot items as well. Like just off the top of my head I think Gandalf's staff could potentially be one.

"Obviously, if the resuscitator and Dawsinian were both wolves, I could see why Dawsinian would get resuscitated. But for a townie resuscitator to go against the vote of the town and resuscitate Dawsinian. That seems somewhat less likely."

From @Flying Eagles. I'm quoting this from that print view. It's Flying Eagles' first post of D2, I think.

How do we rate the odds that this is a derp-clear? @Sapphiron and @Minish especially, I would like you to weigh in.

I'm not entirely sure it's a derp clear, mostly since Daws was killed during the day. So I could see mafia being unaware of what happened and not noticing the alignment flip. Though there is the fact that scumbuds would mention something about it. But I dunno, I don't put too much stock into derp clears.

That seems an excellent plan except for the ogun part Sapph. Why would lynching ogun give you more information than Flying or me? Ogun's a little low on my lynch list right now because he's said a bit without saying a bit, surely a lower priority?

This is an interesting quote. If we're still suspicious of Vro but aren't going to vote him yet I feel like Ogun might be a good choice because of this. He was in one of my three inactives we should lynch from today (if we're going that route), and here Vro is suggesting going elsewhere instead.

But I'm not sure if that carries over to this game. FE's posts haven't really gained any traction nor do the arguments seem to align with anyone player. The only thing I'm seeing is that he voted for you, Vro, after Lau did, and when Lau switched to Michi, so did FE. But FE also targeted Lau earlier, without much success. So maybe Lau is really the genius mastermind and has fooled us all. Or maybe FE is just making questionable posts because he's not really sure what's happening and doesn't have the same time to consider things as he did in the XKI WW game.

Well I'm going to keep trying to analyze this nonsense. Maybe I'll come up with something better.

I can see how you might equate Lau to Tuga especially since I didn't specify what I meant, but I'm not. I really really don't think it's Lau at this point just based on how he's posting, and with how BSR is saying that he has mechanically cleared Lau it really doesn't seem to be an option at all. :p That's one of the scummiest things you've said this game to me, though I suppose a wolf would be more likely to remember who's clearing who.

I think based on the parallels and dissimilarities in posting style that Flying is now suspicious enough to be properly wagoned. If you follow with my theory that at least most of the wolves are much more inactive, it would make sense that Flying would follow along with the game without a very clear mastermind such as the likes of Lau,  enough to merge into the background and coming up here and there to jump on a suspicion or thought someone has already stated. (If you ISO all his posts by clicking on his profile and "show posts" you might see what I mean.)

@Minish if you're not willing to go for Willie (hehe), would you be alright with a Flying vote as opposed to ENE and ogun? I'm fine with letting Willie go since the town is so split :/ I'm aware that my suspicious nature will make people unlikely to join my Willie wagon, and we need to set up someone along with me. If I'm wrong and Flying really is too wolfie to be a wolf, I will be unhappy but at least it will remove one more suspicion from this game.

Thank you for sharing this info with us Wisch, it was quite illuminating.

And thank you Sapph, that is quite interesting.
Hapi, oh Hapi... frankly I've been avoiding responding to your post. Suffice it to say that as a final gambit I can easily make Minish at least aware of my role without breaking any rules if I'm on the line and really want to survive.

@Laurentus Analysis of this?  If he can rope Minish in and this isn't a bluff we could go with a different scum core this round?  I'm not certain

Also Minish, with respect to your idea that information could be gleaned from players who may be hobbits and good pals if one of them kicks the bucket, I can with quite... reasonable accuracy state that might not be a great assumption to make.  lol

Ah, fair. I had certain reason to believe that could be the case but I guess not.

Might as well hint my role now. I see where this all is going. I may not have had the best logic this game, but I still think I played my role as well as I personally was capable of at the moment. My main goal has been to publicly sus a good amount of people while simultaneously trying to clear as many as possible for myself, to get people to talk more to get better reads from what they have to say, and to be killed by scum at night.

To @Laurentus specifically but also everyone else while honestly at this point I would be fine with and understand the motivation behind lynching me if just for information and to remove the doubt from everyone's mind to focus on those who need to be focused on, I would much rather remain alive, as I am far more useful that way. Lau I've been approaching the game as I have for a reason, I never seem to shut up do I? XD

I'm a stickler for the host's rules when I remember them, and I'm in the I think unique situation where my role and my character actively relates to one another, meaning if either one is revealed the other is instantly obvious to the experienced player. That being so I have avoided everything related to it just out of honor and because revealing it literally could give my role to the scum, rendering it useless on some levels. If you would like me to hint at my role I will, but I have avoided doing so thus far.

I am more useful alive than dead, and without revealing it.

I shall neither confirm nor deny your brilliant theories about rings.

Which role is best served from not minding death from scum, but minding death from town, that doesn't visit, and that's not afraid to be talkative and be wrong from the get-go?

@Minish I know that you can figure it out the most easily. If you need more hints I can try to be creative, my brain is fried right now I need sleep.

Any certain reason why I specifically would figure it out? Or is it just my experience with a variety of roles?


If it is loudmouth I actually don't have experience with that role. But that's a decent guess. My original thought was actually a bomb.

I kinda feel like everyone should state their targets each night. But I'm not sure if it's too early to do that or not.

Any certain reason why I specifically would figure it out? Or is it just my experience with a variety of roles?


If it is loudmouth I actually don't have experience with that role. But that's a decent guess. My original thought was actually a bomb.

Yes, there is a certain reason, it shouldn't stump you for long.