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Okay, I've had some time to think about what my strategy for this mess of a game is gonna be, and I'm sad to say you won't like the conclusion, @Vroendal.

Vote: Vroendal

I tone-read you as Town based on your reaction to Pengu, but there's just so much at play here. I want to keep both Pengu and Gerrick alive, and hopefully the Seer can sort out this mess for us.

I also don't really want to go the route of "let's lynch the inactives" until the situation becomes more dire.

@RedMones May we please have a vote count?

@RedMones May we please have a vote count?

Also, does anyone know how I mention people on this forum?

@Flying Eagles and @Wischland, please share your takes on the XKIers who've come again?

You just @someone

You just also need to spell their names right: @Red Mones.

Okay, I've had some time to think about what my strategy for this mess of a game is gonna be, and I'm sad to say you won't like the conclusion, @Vroendal.

Vote: Vroendal

I tone-read you as Town based on your reaction to Pengu, but there's just so much at play here. I want to keep both Pengu and Gerrick alive, and hopefully the Seer can sort out this mess for us.

Wait Lau why? You tone-read Vro as Town but you rather lynch him, while hoping that the Seer will spend the next 2 night phases checking Pengu and Gerrick?

Okay, I've had some time to think about what my strategy for this mess of a game is gonna be, and I'm sad to say you won't like the conclusion, @Vroendal.

Vote: Vroendal

I tone-read you as Town based on your reaction to Pengu, but there's just so much at play here. I want to keep both Pengu and Gerrick alive, and hopefully the Seer can sort out this mess for us.

I also don't really want to go the route of "let's lynch the inactives" until the situation becomes more dire.

I feel like there's something wrong with that statement.  You don't want to lynch an inactive even if they could just be lurky wolves, and you don't want to lynch Gerrick or I despite you being iffy about us so you can have the seer scan us...so you're choosing to sacrifice someone that you tone-read as town? What? 

I could give you the short version, but I could also let you read through the whole mess again yourself, and see what you have to say. Start here and end here.

Not really sure what this is supposed to mean. I've already read it twice. I can only assume that I've missed something you've caught onto to, in which case I doubt reading it again will do me any good.

Did you read my most previous post, I think I clarified everything as I went through over 20 pages of text, this is my second time playing but I think you should read my post above, if that isn't town lean, I don't know what to tell you

At the time that I had made my rough list, no, you had posted while I was typing. I will take your post into consideration as I keep thinking about everything.

That makes sense, sorry for the confusion!

Okay, I've had some time to think about what my strategy for this mess of a game is gonna be, and I'm sad to say you won't like the conclusion, @Vroendal.

Vote: Vroendal

I tone-read you as Town based on your reaction to Pengu, but there's just so much at play here. I want to keep both Pengu and Gerrick alive, and hopefully the Seer can sort out this mess for us.

I also don't really want to go the route of "let's lynch the inactives" until the situation becomes more dire.

I don't really get this logic, because by voting Vro you are making this a tie and protecting Michi, which makes you a little suspicious, so why would you vote if you claimed he is Town based? If anything, voting Michi out and then using the seer to check Gerrick or yourself would be much better if "so much is at stake."

Walks in and looks at the time.

It seems like I'm rather late to the game, my apologies.
I'll hurry up and get my vote in before phase ends, but first I'll go backread the thread.

@Sapphiron and @Pengu: It may well be bad logic, but my thinking is as follows:

We need to get Pengu and Gerrick sorted. I firmly believe one of the two got targeted in the previous night phase, but as of this moment, it's impossible to tell which. Even if all we find are two extra people to get put in the Lock-town, that also means it's two fewer people we need to place, and we can get a more accurate process of elimination.

I really can't expand more than this. Even saying this much puts me very close to the limits of the rules.

The other possibility I've been worried about, which has been the one that makes me give Gerrick a 1/3 chance of being cleared instead of 1/2, is that the Wolves simply didn't decide to kill, but this seems very unlikely.

Both are also highly skilled and dangerous Wolves, so if that's what's found, cool, we can remove them.

Also to Pengu, I will take possible mechanical clears over tone-based clears any day.

Looking back at the idea, it probably is a bad move to let it be Vro, but my thought process is that he's either pulling reverse psychology by saying he would get it if we vote him off, or if he is Town, doesn't believe he has a strong role.

I also have lingering paranoia about Vro's early game reasoning.

And to @ogunbiyi6422 (your name is hard to mention), no, I am not making this a tie, actually I believe it makes Vro the majority, now. Which is probably even worse from your point of view, but it is what it is.

And again, I am not going to mess with mechanics. My personal level of suspicion for both Gerrick and Pengu is immaterial as long as one of the two can be proven clear by the mechanics of the game.

I am growing to accept that I'm going to have to be scanned to prove my allegiance after this misstep, and I'm sure it will sound strange to you, but I really don't want to waste time.

@Michi, again, apologies.

@Sapphiron and @Pengu: It may well be bad logic, but my thinking is as follows:

We need to get Pengu and Gerrick sorted. I firmly believe one of the two got targeted in the previous night phase, but as of this moment, it's impossible to tell which. Even if all we find are two extra people to get put in the Lock-town, that also means it's two fewer people we need to place, and we can get a more accurate process of elimination.

I really can't expand more than this. Even saying this much puts me very close to the limits of the rules.

The other possibility I've been worried about, which has been the one that makes me give Gerrick a 1/3 chance of being cleared instead of 1/2, is that the Wolves simply didn't decide to kill, but this seems very unlikely.

Both are also highly skilled and dangerous Wolves, so if that's what's found, cool, we can remove them.

Also to Pengu, I will take possible mechanical clears over tone-based clears any day.

Looking back at the idea, it probably is a bad move to let it be Vro, but my thought process is that he's either pulling reverse psychology by saying he would get it if we vote him off, or if he is Town, doesn't believe he has a strong role.

I also have lingering paranoia about Vro's early game reasoning.

And to @ogunbiyi6422 (your name is hard to mention), no, I am not making this a tie, actually I believe it makes Vro the majority, now. Which is probably even worse from your point of view, but it is what it is.

And again, I am not going to mess with mechanics. My personal level of suspicion for both Gerrick and Pengu is immaterial as long as one of the two can be proven clear by the mechanics of the game.

I am growing to accept that I'm going to have to be scanned to prove my allegiance after this misstep, and I'm sure it will sound strange to you, but I really don't want to waste time.

Oh someone most certainly did get targeted last night. But you see I won't let anyone die. Wolfy wolfies might find it hard to kill when the shield of the Fellowship is still around 

Am I lying? That's what Hapi does after all. But it's also possible I'm just aware of how powerful I am.

Okay, I've had some time to think about what my strategy for this mess of a game is gonna be, and I'm sad to say you won't like the conclusion, @Vroendal.

Vote: Vroendal

I tone-read you as Town based on your reaction to Pengu, but there's just so much at play here. I want to keep both Pengu and Gerrick alive, and hopefully the Seer can sort out this mess for us.

I also don't really want to go the route of "let's lynch the inactives" until the situation becomes more dire.

Painnn. XD Well tbh I was expecting you would switch back to me at some point, might as well be now. What I want to know why you feel it is either Michi or Gerrick that needs to be scanned. Wouldn't it be just as easy to have me scanned? As for lynching the inactives, I do understand your point there but I do feel that lynching someone you believe to be town over someone you don't yet believe to be town is a better choice. But it is what it is.

@Sapphiron and @Pengu: It may well be bad logic, but my thinking is as follows:

We need to get Pengu and Gerrick sorted. I firmly believe one of the two got targeted in the previous night phase, but as of this moment, it's impossible to tell which. Even if all we find are two extra people to get put in the Lock-town, that also means it's two fewer people we need to place, and we can get a more accurate process of elimination.

I really can't expand more than this. Even saying this much puts me very close to the limits of the rules.

The other possibility I've been worried about, which has been the one that makes me give Gerrick a 1/3 chance of being cleared instead of 1/2, is that the Wolves simply didn't decide to kill, but this seems very unlikely.

Both are also highly skilled and dangerous Wolves, so if that's what's found, cool, we can remove them.

Also to Pengu, I will take possible mechanical clears over tone-based clears any day.

Looking back at the idea, it probably is a bad move to let it be Vro, but my thought process is that he's either pulling reverse psychology by saying he would get it if we vote him off, or if he is Town, doesn't believe he has a strong role.

I also have lingering paranoia about Vro's early game reasoning.

And to @ogunbiyi6422 (your name is hard to mention), no, I am not making this a tie, actually I believe it makes Vro the majority, now. Which is probably even worse from your point of view, but it is what it is.

And again, I am not going to mess with mechanics. My personal level of suspicion for both Gerrick and Pengu is immaterial as long as one of the two can be proven clear by the mechanics of the game.

I am growing to accept that I'm going to have to be scanned to prove my allegiance after this misstep, and I'm sure it will sound strange to you, but I really don't want to waste time.

This I understand much better, except the last part. Personally I feel that it doesn't make sense to lynch me in order to allow Gerrick and Michi be scanned, but THEN say that you should be scanned yourself, it kinda ruins the whole point of your vote to waste a night and a night action, no?

As to my role, I feel comfortable saying that I don't personally see myself as having a strong role worthy of being targeted by the wolves, but on the other hand Lau you still don't know exactly what I can do and it's a dangerous assumption to be making that any role doesn't have a very good reason to wish to remain alive. As I've said before I wouldn't be mad at being lynched, just very disappointed. Your choice has logic, but it's still not the right choice.

Painnn. XD Well tbh I was expecting you would switch back to me at some point, might as well be now. What I want to know why you feel it is either Michi or Gerrick that needs to be scanned. Wouldn't it be just as easy to have me scanned? As for lynching the inactives, I do understand your point there but I do feel that lynching someone you believe to be town over someone you don't yet believe to be town is a better choice. But it is what it is.

I messed this part up twice.
What I meant to say was wouldn't it be just as easy to scan me and one of the other two than the other two?
Also I feel that lynching someone you believe to be town over someone you don't yet believe to be town is an inherently WORSE* choice.