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Okay, I've had some time to think about what my strategy for this mess of a game is gonna be, and I'm sad to say you won't like the conclusion, @Vroendal.

Vote: Vroendal

I tone-read you as Town based on your reaction to Pengu, but there's just so much at play here. I want to keep both Pengu and Gerrick alive, and hopefully the Seer can sort out this mess for us.

I also don't really want to go the route of "let's lynch the inactives" until the situation becomes more dire.

Painnn. XD Well tbh I was expecting you would switch back to me at some point, might as well be now. What I want to know why you feel it is either Michi or Gerrick that needs to be scanned. Wouldn't it be just as easy to have me scanned? As for lynching the inactives, I do understand your point there but I do feel that lynching someone you believe to be town over someone you don't yet believe to be town is a better choice. But it is what it is.

@Sapphiron and @Pengu: It may well be bad logic, but my thinking is as follows:

We need to get Pengu and Gerrick sorted. I firmly believe one of the two got targeted in the previous night phase, but as of this moment, it's impossible to tell which. Even if all we find are two extra people to get put in the Lock-town, that also means it's two fewer people we need to place, and we can get a more accurate process of elimination.

I really can't expand more than this. Even saying this much puts me very close to the limits of the rules.

The other possibility I've been worried about, which has been the one that makes me give Gerrick a 1/3 chance of being cleared instead of 1/2, is that the Wolves simply didn't decide to kill, but this seems very unlikely.

Both are also highly skilled and dangerous Wolves, so if that's what's found, cool, we can remove them.

Also to Pengu, I will take possible mechanical clears over tone-based clears any day.

Looking back at the idea, it probably is a bad move to let it be Vro, but my thought process is that he's either pulling reverse psychology by saying he would get it if we vote him off, or if he is Town, doesn't believe he has a strong role.

I also have lingering paranoia about Vro's early game reasoning.

And to @ogunbiyi6422 (your name is hard to mention), no, I am not making this a tie, actually I believe it makes Vro the majority, now. Which is probably even worse from your point of view, but it is what it is.

And again, I am not going to mess with mechanics. My personal level of suspicion for both Gerrick and Pengu is immaterial as long as one of the two can be proven clear by the mechanics of the game.

I am growing to accept that I'm going to have to be scanned to prove my allegiance after this misstep, and I'm sure it will sound strange to you, but I really don't want to waste time.

This I understand much better, except the last part. Personally I feel that it doesn't make sense to lynch me in order to allow Gerrick and Michi be scanned, but THEN say that you should be scanned yourself, it kinda ruins the whole point of your vote to waste a night and a night action, no?

As to my role, I feel comfortable saying that I don't personally see myself as having a strong role worthy of being targeted by the wolves, but on the other hand Lau you still don't know exactly what I can do and it's a dangerous assumption to be making that any role doesn't have a very good reason to wish to remain alive. As I've said before I wouldn't be mad at being lynched, just very disappointed. Your choice has logic, but it's still not the right choice.

If I'm looking at my action here objectively, I would think "shit, that is sus" so yeah, I accept that I'm gonna have to get scanned.

That said, how much time is there left in the phase? I don't know if I have to commit to this blunder. @Red Mones?

Vote: Vro

I'm baffled, as there seem to be 2 or 3 viable theories, but Hapi seems to have a powerful role so I'll trust them for now, and if this vote turns out poorly, I might look to voting Hapi out.

That said, how much time is there left in the phase? I don't know if I have to commit to this blunder. @Red Mones?

2 hours I believe

Vote: Vro

I'm baffled, as there seem to be 2 or 3 viable theories, but Hapi seems to have a powerful role so I'll trust them for now, and if this vote turns out poorly, I might look to voting Hapi out.

No, Hapi is never scum. Go read the thread carefully.

That said, how much time is there left in the phase? I don't know if I have to commit to this blunder. Red Mones?

I believe it to be about 2 hours. 12pm pst.

Well, a conditional on that "Hapi is never scum": If Sapph is scum, then so is Hapi, but Sapph is probably not scum.

Flying, are you voting me just because Hapi is saying that she thinks I might be bad?
That's a little suspicious yourself to be relying on the opinion of whoever you think has a powerful role rather than who has the best reasoning. By all accounts you should be voting me because of Lau. :/

We do have 2 hours left.

Lau... I'm still not liking your logic there. If you're voting me to let the seer scan the others why are you bringing up that they should scan you? The town is either going to have to go along with your plan for multiple phases or just not listen to you at all after you lynch me until you're scanned. Either way seems a little sketch, I must ask you to reconsider that choice. If you still think that Michi is acting more scumlike than me I would think it would still be reasonable to scan me and Gerrick after lynching Michi.

Flying, are you voting me just because Hapi is saying that she thinks I might be bad?
That's a little suspicious yourself to be relying on the opinion of whoever you think has a powerful role rather than who has the best reasoning. By all accounts you should be voting me because of Lau. :/

We do have 2 hours left.

Lau... I'm still not liking your logic there. If you're voting me to let the seer scan the others why are you bringing up that they should scan you? The town is either going to have to go along with your plan for multiple phases or just not listen to you at all after you lynch me until you're scanned. Either way seems a little sketch, I must ask you to reconsider that choice. If you still think that Michi is acting more scumlike than me I would think it would still be reasonable to scan me and Gerrick after lynching Michi.

I've never once said you were bad only that I trust you less than I trust Michi.

Just for you bb.

1. Michi

2. Sapph

3. BSR, turtle, TGN, Lau

4. Wischland, Willie, Newvitalania, Human Sanity, Hapi  , Gerrick now..., Eagle!!, ENE, Doc, Daws, and Daw

5. Moot, Vro, Ogun

6.

7. Gerrick b4 he scared me

Then what's this? :p You put me in the scum lean, seems to contradict what you're saying.

Flying, are you voting me just because Hapi is saying that she thinks I might be bad?
That's a little suspicious yourself to be relying on the opinion of whoever you think has a powerful role rather than who has the best reasoning. By all accounts you should be voting me because of Lau. :/

We do have 2 hours left.

Lau... I'm still not liking your logic there. If you're voting me to let the seer scan the others why are you bringing up that they should scan you? The town is either going to have to go along with your plan for multiple phases or just not listen to you at all after you lynch me until you're scanned. Either way seems a little sketch, I must ask you to reconsider that choice. If you still think that Michi is acting more scumlike than me I would think it would still be reasonable to scan me and Gerrick after lynching Michi.

No, Michi likely has a 1/2 chance of being scum, and at worst a 1/3 chance, same as Gerrick. Letting Michi die would be foolish. I am never taking my reads based on logic and deduction over mechanical reads, ever.

That said, I did just say I am not committed to this blunder. Up for a quick compromise wagon?

And yeah, this blunder may just have cost the game, but even if I am lynched, there will be benefits to Town. I don't ever make it through Werewolf alive, anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Flying, are you voting me just because Hapi is saying that she thinks I might be bad?
That's a little suspicious yourself to be relying on the opinion of whoever you think has a powerful role rather than who has the best reasoning. By all accounts you should be voting me because of Lau. :/

We do have 2 hours left.

Lau... I'm still not liking your logic there. If you're voting me to let the seer scan the others why are you bringing up that they should scan you? The town is either going to have to go along with your plan for multiple phases or just not listen to you at all after you lynch me until you're scanned. Either way seems a little sketch, I must ask you to reconsider that choice. If you still think that Michi is acting more scumlike than me I would think it would still be reasonable to scan me and Gerrick after lynching Michi.

To be honest, there's way too much info to process and 2-3 different theories so I'm just hoping we do the vote that would give us the most info on those who raised the idea of said vote.

Also, correction: No, Michi likely has a 1/2 chance of being scum town, and at worst a 1/3 chance, same as Gerrick. Letting Michi die would be foolish. I am never taking my reads based on logic and deduction over mechanical reads, ever.

Meant to say "town" and not "scum." Bring in the Freudian slip accusations!

Lau, the Flying vote was one of the most suss things I've ever seen just on the basis of an inactive just jumping on a bandwagon now with as sketch reasoning as that.
I don't think there's time for a compromise wagon, though I do want to hear which one you think it should be.

I'm going with that other XKIer you keep ranting about. What's their name again? At this point, they're probably Town, but they're quiet and/or inactive town, so we'd probably just be doing them a favour by removing them from the game, and hopefully not somehow get rid of a freakishly powerful role.