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  • If @Michi doesn't get what's going on with me within 3 posts, he's Wolf.

    I'm surprised that Sapph didn't read me more clearly, but not sure if sus yet.
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  • Sorry about that TGN

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    no problem :)

    This wholesomeness in my wolf game!!! Both wolves!

    I kid I kid...but seriously back to backstabbing  >:D
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  • Sorry about that TGN

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    no problem :)

    This wholesomeness in my wolf game!!! Both wolves!

    I kid I kid...but seriously back to backstabbing  >:D

    Uh huh... and who are you backstabbing, @Adorable Oracle Hapi?
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  • Sorry about that TGN

    Sorry about that TGN
    no problem :)

    This wholesomeness in my wolf game!!! Both wolves!

    I kid I kid...but seriously back to backstabbing  >:D

    Uh huh... and who are you backstabbing, @Adorable Oracle Hapi?

    I don't stab backs I prefer to stab fronts. Ich bin euer schild ^^
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  • Ok, now that I have time. Also, thank you to Red Mones for the bookmarks on phase starts!

    Town-Core
    Dawsinian: Very likely still town as he was, but there's still a chance he was brought back as scum. Didn't that happen last game with Doc?

    Town-Lean
    Hapi: Likely town from her Aragorn posts, but still could be a ploy.
    Laurentus: Has been the aggressive player we know, but still too soon to say whether or not he's town.
    Wischland: Has been helpful, but still don't know why they voted for Dawsinian when he already had a majority.
    TGN/turtle: Don't know what they're doing, but they could be told by an experienced wolf to play this up.
    Wintermoot: Seems like he's really trying to figure this all out in the way he's speaking.

    Null
    Doc: Has been on the quiet side and has only really said how he feels about players.
    Sapphiron: Hasn't really done anything suspicious yet and overall seems genuine, but not enough for me to really go on.
    HumanSanity/Wille-Harlia: Quiet, but somewhat understandable as they're not from here. Each day they don't post, though, they're starting to lean more towards scum.
    newvitalania/Dawcreek/Eastern New England: Have not posted.

    Scum-Lean
    Vroendal: Don't know why he voted Daws into the majority, but it did conveniently make me look sus after voting for me in the first place.
    Michi: Has been very silent after voting.
    BraveSirRobin: Hiding under the radar?
    Flying Eagles: Shoddy accusations against Laurentus.
    Ogunbiyi: Has pretty much only said that we shouldn't vote D1 then went silent.

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  • I mean, I was already leaning against Vro anyways in my night post.

    I found it amusing that he pulled exactly what I did on you D1 when TGN popped on a vote on me and broke the tie; go after the person that helped create the tie and ask them why they didn't remove it when they saw that the tie was broken.  Only difference was that A) Your vote was more "random" and B) TGN is new and wasn't entirely sure what he was doing, and ended up removing his vote.

    In Vro's case, this comes off as more blaming the person who didn't even start the wagon as opposed to taking responsibility as the person who broke the tie.

    On top of that, his first D2 thing is going after you exactly for what I did for and gave you the clear for since as I said, it fits our normal bickering that we do even Day 1 when you're a townie role.  Like...I don't see why that point about you not switching got repeated, especially after TGN changed their vote quickly anyways, and the tie itself was broken again later when Vro added another vote to Daws.

    Like...that just feels to me like "Shit, I fucked up doing that and now I'm going to have all this suspicion, I better put the heat on that player that started a wagon on someone else and didn't change his vote!"

    The reasoning presented later made no sense at all either.  Keeping lynching myself or Lau to a minimum, going for the best odds of a wolf in D1 despite the fact that we very, very rarely hit a wolf D1 and more than likely hit a townie (and in our games, it's usually a power role townie since it's a weird tradition of ours to accidentally kill off a good role early), why on earth didn't you just vote either to keep the tie or vote someone that hadn't been listed yet so that it remained a 2-2-2 tie majority?

    Like, I had to read that a few times because I couldn't comprehend what he was trying to go for with that logic.

    So yeah, if it isn't obvious, my scum-lean read on Vro has shifted quite a bit.  If I had to make a list, I'd go:


    Town Lock: Currently none

    Town Core: Laurentus (His style this game has been really in vibe with his townie style so far), Sapphiron, Wischland

    Town Lean: HumanSanity, Gerrick, Dawsinian (He could have come back normally, he could have come back as a wraith as suggested, but right now I'm more town-leaning him), Doc

    No read: Turtle, TGN, Wintermoot, BSR, ENE, Willie, Dawcreek, Ogun (didn't realize he was even playing), Flying Eagles

    Unsure: Hapi

    Scum Red Alerts: Vroendal

    My list is pretty yikes right now with all of the nulls, mainly because either the people haven't responded much to give an impression (Moot, BSR), are players from our ally region that I'm not familiar with their playstyles (ENE, Flying eagles, Willie), have been absent (Dawcreek, Ogun), are new and while it could be easy to give them both a derp clear because of it, it's possible one of them could be a wolf (turtle, TGN).   Suffice it to say, it's worrying there's so many null reads.

    There's also the fact that Hapi is making me continuously second guess.  She makes strong cases for herself to where she should definitely be town, but the continued Aragorn quoting feels like a really heavy-handed attempt to try to solidify that she's Aragorn to the point where a wolf might continuously try to convince players that they're townie.  It almost feels an attempt at deep-wolfing where she's trying to convince not only us, but herself that she's this good guy that she has been quoting so often.

    And I've already made my case about Vro, so I'll end this with a vote.

    Vote: Vroendal
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  • Okay, so that's 3 Vro votes. For wagonomics reasons, we need another main wagon, too, because even if we lynch Vro, and even if he's Wolf, if we're going to have just one main wagon, we're losing out on a lot of information we could have gained on someone else. We'll just have all the Wolves pile onto Vro's wagon too, whether he's Town or Scum, which we obviously don't want. We wanna keep them under pressure.
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  • Ugh.  So I should clarify I messed something up in my post as it was Hapi that was jumping at Gerrick's vote for a tie and questioning it, not Vro (which was where I was going with that first paragraph).  Gerrick just ended up responding directly after Vro and didn't quote Hapi, so I mixed the two up.  <_<

    Still though, I'm pretty set on my vote because despite that one mistake on my own part, I still find Vro's defense and deflection at Laurentus when he himself broke the tie with Daws with shoddy reasoning to be pretty questionable.
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  • Michi makes some good points so
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  • No, I'm going to ask you to remove your vote @turtle. At this point, adding more votes is unproductive. Stand on your own two feet, and look at everyone else, too.
    In die donker ure skink net duiwels nog 'n dop, 
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  • On top of that, his first D2 thing is going after you exactly for what I did for and gave you the clear for since as I said, it fits our normal bickering that we do even Day 1 when you're a townie role.  Like...I don't see why that point about you not switching got repeated, especially after TGN changed their vote quickly anyways, and the tie itself was broken again later when Vro added another vote to Daws.

    Like...that just feels to me like "Shit, I fucked up doing that and now I'm going to have all this suspicion, I better put the heat on that player that started a wagon on someone else and didn't change his vote!"

    The reasoning presented later made no sense at all either.  Keeping lynching myself or Lau to a minimum, going for the best odds of a wolf in D1 despite the fact that we very, very rarely hit a wolf D1 and more than likely hit a townie (and in our games, it's usually a power role townie since it's a weird tradition of ours to accidentally kill off a good role early), why on earth didn't you just vote either to keep the tie or vote someone that hadn't been listed yet so that it remained a 2-2-2 tie majority?

    Like, I had to read that a few times because I couldn't comprehend what he was trying to go for with that logic.
    Obligatory defense -
    I was aware that when I made that post I would get flak for it, I posted it anyway. I did so because I find it important to consider all the possibilities, and that little "what if" kept nagging at my brain. I felt that it would be remiss to never bring it up as an option and then feel shame later if it turned out to be true and I said nothing.

    Despite that, I still didn't vote. I can't convince myself it's Lau. I would've thought you known the way I play scum well enough to know that I would never make a post like that. I'm going to be refuted on that point but it just is what it is.

    I still think that my reasoning was good. It was logical, it kept what I believed to be assets safe for certain, and tbh I really don't understand why people are calling it such bad reasoning so repeatedly. I'm just not seeing it. Maybe that's just being oblivious on my part but I really don't see why voting on a vanity wagon would be better. WHY would we have wanted a tie there? What am I not understanding? 2/3 I thought were town, the last one I was unsure of. It was the most logical choice to save the 2 by voting the 1.

    As for traditionally not lynching a wolf D1, I don't see why that has anything to do with anything. Sure the numbers are against town but it never hurts to try, otherwise why vote D1 EVER?
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  • On top of that, his first D2 thing is going after you exactly for what I did for and gave you the clear for since as I said, it fits our normal bickering that we do even Day 1 when you're a townie role.  Like...I don't see why that point about you not switching got repeated, especially after TGN changed their vote quickly anyways, and the tie itself was broken again later when Vro added another vote to Daws.

    Like...that just feels to me like "Shit, I fucked up doing that and now I'm going to have all this suspicion, I better put the heat on that player that started a wagon on someone else and didn't change his vote!"

    The reasoning presented later made no sense at all either.  Keeping lynching myself or Lau to a minimum, going for the best odds of a wolf in D1 despite the fact that we very, very rarely hit a wolf D1 and more than likely hit a townie (and in our games, it's usually a power role townie since it's a weird tradition of ours to accidentally kill off a good role early), why on earth didn't you just vote either to keep the tie or vote someone that hadn't been listed yet so that it remained a 2-2-2 tie majority?

    Like, I had to read that a few times because I couldn't comprehend what he was trying to go for with that logic.
    Obligatory defense -
    I was aware that when I made that post I would get flak for it, I posted it anyway. I did so because I find it important to consider all the possibilities, and that little "what if" kept nagging at my brain. I felt that it would be remiss to never bring it up as an option and then feel shame later if it turned out to be true and I said nothing.

    Despite that, I still didn't vote. I can't convince myself it's Lau. I would've thought you known the way I play scum well enough to know that I would never make a post like that. I'm going to be refuted on that point but it just is what it is.

    I still think that my reasoning was good. It was logical, it kept what I believed to be assets safe for certain, and tbh I really don't understand why people are calling it such bad reasoning so repeatedly. I'm just not seeing it. Maybe that's just being oblivious on my part but I really don't see why voting on a vanity wagon would be better. WHY would we have wanted a tie there? What am I not understanding? 2/3 I thought were town, the last one I was unsure of. It was the most logical choice to save the 2 by voting the 1.

    As for traditionally not lynching a wolf D1, I don't see why that has anything to do with anything. Sure the numbers are against town but it never hurts to try, otherwise why vote D1 EVER?

    This is better.

    Quick question for someone who's played more than one game, especially if more than one has been with Vro as scum: how does he usually respond when the pressure is on him as scum? I just have the one experience where he pretty much receded into the background once I turned the tide on him.

    This persistence is coming across as out of character and seems quite genuine, so I need an objective opinion here.
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