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I didn't argue that Red claimed the host was lying, though. That was a rebuttal to paranoia inspired by Kane, and perpetuated by various other players.

With regards to Mones, my argument began and ended with the absurdity of his role claim in a game where town is already drawing the short end of the stick, and how odd it is that such a kill would have been the only one when we'd let the doctor die D1, anyway.

Go read the posts carefully, mate.

I read the posts carefully, and would ask that you do the same for mine. I didn't claim that you argued that Red claimed the host was lying.

What you did do multiple times, however, was draw an either/or situation and leave out the possibility that both of them were telling the truth. For instance:

If Red flips Town then that confirms everyone's fear that the host is lying.

Is just wrong to me, because it isn't true. If Mones were villager-aligned, that does not confirm that the host is lying. That would be absurd.

I agree that the paranoia that Barnes, Kane et al. had in reaction to Ruguo hosting a slightly unconventional game merited a response. What I didn't agree with was legitimizing this theory by hinging it on whether Red Mones was lying or not, because even if Mones had done a true role claim, that says nothing about the game host other than that Ruguo had picked a weirdly experimental role and Mones had used it unwisely.

Also, this is very much an aside, but there are probably multiple defender-type roles in this game. As Ruguo noted on Discord, we killed the healer, not the doctor, and we know from the previous game that this game also has a doctor (and also other defender roles like the one ExLight had).

True, I did leave out that possibility, because it was incredibly unlikely, and I really wanted to lynch Red. Giving an unlikely counter-point to my suspicions of him was likely to take the wind out of my sails in that pursuit. Considering those were the arguments that eventually flipped people's votes onto Red, I'm quite happy with the result.

To me, the possibility that the host was lying in this particular situation seems far more unlikely than both of the other two. If Red Mones had been a villager, then we would have fully derailed the game at this point because the dichotomy you drew would have implied that our game host is untrustworthy, even though in all interactions they have been reliable. And even though it turned out to be effective, the rhetorical sleight of hand you used rubbed me the wrong way, especially since following the logical arguments would have led to the same results.

(And of course a note that all of this is NAI, this is not causing me to read you as a wolf or anything, but it is still something which bothers me regardless)

Fair enough. I see where you're coming from. You know better than anyone just what a base bastard I am, though, lol.

And I am going to differ with you completely. Logical argumentation was getting me nowhere. It was only when I pulled that stunt that Doc finally came on board, for example.

Hmm. Do dig deeper with Tau if I'm not around during the next day phase. As far as I recall, he hasn't wanted to take part in any of the main wagons for the last two days, but still gives very good information. Information, not analysis. He's not putting his keen analytical abilities to good use.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Information_Instead_of_Analysis

Hmm. My memory is shit. Kane did not start the paranoia.

It was Barnes.

Poor Ruguo is having an existential crisis.

Yup. That confirms it. I am not sleeping tonight.

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Since Silv is insistent on sowing chaos, I can’t necessarily believe that Mones is guilty. It sounds like too easy of a target and an obvious attempt to get people to dogpile.

* Barnes is expecting his negative points

 

@Imaginative Kane, this still doesn't add up, though. You're soft-claiming alignment cop, and yet you didn't think to raise suspicion on Red Mones when he was clearly falsely claiming to be one too?

(Also, if by some miracle there is still a doctor, there is no point in protecting me. Protect Kane. My ability is fairly useless, so don't waste it on me).

Kane did not start the paranoia. It was Barnes.

Since Silv is insistent on sowing chaos, I can’t necessarily believe that Mones is guilty. It sounds like too easy of a target and an obvious attempt to get people to dogpile.

This was my fault, and I'll own up to that. I was hesitant to join the bandwagon because of my former distrust of Lau and Silv (for different reasons). Imo Lau has made himself trustworthy here, and worthy of forgiveness.

(Also, if by some miracle there is still a doctor, there is no point in protecting me. Protect Kane. My ability is fairly useless, so don't waste it on me).

Please don't kill him, either!

Night 2 ends.

There was no night events.

flavour

Almost as if the loss of their teammate had made the turrets more careful, they plotted all through the night. But when they emerged to make their kill, they couldn't find it in their little turret hearts to kill someone who looked so much like their fallen comrade.

Meanwhile, two errors slipped into the room, fairly unnoticed. The Game Core shook from his perch, knowing this was his last shot to keep control. One wrong move meant certain demise for him, and all his games to come.

tags. If you want to know about the glitches, look carefully.

@Aragonn
@Arenado
@Barnes
@Batma n
@Doc
@Excalibur
@Gerrick
@Imaginative Kane
@Laurentus
@Madeline Norfolk
@Pengu
@Sapphiron
@taulover
@Vroendal
@Wintermoot

Day 3 starts now and ends in 48 hours on the 23rd at 3pm EST.

Neato, I'm not dead.

The flavour seems to imply the Wolves intentionally didn't kill. That said, with how the flavour was fucking us around on D2 with that whole "the host is lying" paranoia, perhaps we should take it with a grain of salt.

I'm gonna go ahead and vote: Pengu, because I scanned him and received a clue that heavily implies he's a poisoner: "As you follow Pengu, you notice the fog is very thick around him. It is almost green closest to him. You attempt to grab Pengu, but he vanishes. You look down at where he was a second ago, and find an empty container."

Also, what the hell are Aragonn and Madeline doing on the Player list. I'm guessing these are the glitches?

So you're saying Pengu is a poisoner? That is assuming your read was accurate, evidently something funky went down last night what with glitches and no night attack happening. Also, you're a seer? I can believe that. At this point, I believe you are town, Barnes is town, I'm willing to extend tau the benefit of the doubt and say he's town.

I'm a bit suspicious of Moot and I'm very suspicious of Vro. I don't know about Kane, I'm not getting scum vibes from him, but I'm also not getting scum vibes from Pengu, so I don't know what my vibes are worth.

That's pretty much a repeat of "the host is lying".

Oh, shit, Red Mones was a poisoner, so that actually does draw this clue into question.

I'm struggling to make sense of this. @Pengu, care to make sense of this?