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Are you folks still talking about getting rid of me? That's not very nice. You do realize it would take all of you, cores and turrets alike to get out of that room, much less to me, right? Right? Or are you all stupider than I thought?

The insane cube continued on his villanous monologue, unable to...Gah! What are you doing here? No, Wait...Kshhht

This sounds like if it is a unanimous vote to lynch Ruguo, we all win. What do you all think?

I'm a little iffy about that to be honest.  On the one hand it could be beneficial and end the game in way that XII would have ended if people lynched me in the end.  On the other hand, it could backfire and put all of us except for the turrets, and the town could really be in for a bad time.

I feel like any suggestion from Ruguo to have us unanimously vote for him is a host trap.  Not to mention, it also just takes away from voting potential turrets if we waste it voting for the host for the "gimmicks" as Doc put it.

Wait, what would've happened if people lynched you?

In Werewolf XII, I was the host but also the Head Wolf.  If the players had lynched me in the end, they would have won.  I even left clues in my phase transition posts.

About time to update the counts

Laurentus: 4
Gerrick: -1
Red Mones: -1
Batma n: 2
Vroendal: 2
Doc: 2
Imaginative Kane: 0
Excalibur: 1
Pengu: 4
Barnes: 1
Sapphiron: 0

Total: 14/42

Votes:

Push the Button: 5(Sapphiron, Arenado, Kane, Doc, Pengu)/8

Red Mones: 2 (Laurentus, Gerrick)
Ruguo: 2 (Kane, Doc)

Kssht...Bzzt... Bravely, I have escaped to a safe location. The insane cube shouldn't be able to reach me here.

I can hear you... I'll find you again.

I'll get all of you out of there. But first, I must engage in an epic battle with this cube.

As if you have a chance, you pathetic Core.

The Cube taunted me, but I was not scared.

Sounds like if we kill the turret-aligned game cube in power currently, we might be able to switch it with the core-aligned game cube that has been strikethrough consistently.

Yeah, you know what? Switch Vote: Lynch Ruguo. I want to see what happens. And if Sapphiron's theory is correct, it'd just benefit town more, which wouldn't be a waste.

Yeah, I'll bite.  Ruguo is really making it seem tempting.

vote: Lynch Ruguo

I went on our weekly shopping run (mmmmm I love replaying apocalypse) and haven’t had the time to keep up. After reading through, here are my thoughts:

First of all, let me clear something up. I did kill Hydra. (Not sure why I didn’t say that initially, I’ve wasted everyone’s time)

Now I’m not entirely sure how the points system works, but I will mention i have a score of -1 which means i lose points for claiming, but then I should have gotten +1 for false information, right? But I didn’t.

Also Laurentus, I would expect better from you as an experienced player (and this also applies to Gerrick) Why would immediately assume a host bent on providing misinformation and misguidance is gonna just hand everyone a turret on a silver platter? I’m incredibly surprised you weren’t immediately suspicious of it. Also, Ruguo put a LOT of effort into this game and then switched it up. Surely they wouldn’t be so lazy as to put the same role with the same effects in round 2. The fact that I am an alignment cop with the same white effect is just chance. Did you also have grav effect and cake effect? It doesn’t really add up to say I could be a carbon copy of you last game. You jumped at the chance for an easy lynch which is highly suspicious, though I can’t say you’re scum, nothing else says that you are. But then again, I thought the same last game.

I feel like voting for the game core just to see what we get this time so vote Ruguo.

On the other hand since this round is all about chaos and misinformation, maybe we should all vote for each other randomly since we might not actually find out what is happening, who knows a turret that was called a core could be voted off in the process?

I feel that although the points you're bringing up are good, I feel that there is more to Ruguo's RP then we realize... I think this is all a little too easy for my liking... I don't like how Kane's reasoning is flimsy at best, and manipulative at worst. You can vote Ruguo if you want, you can reap what you sow... I wouldn't put it past Ruguo to bring back Hydra, but as a turret... I don't know what will happen, and that scares me... Based on how easy it was for Kane to essentially start this bandwagon, I don't like it.
Vote - Push the Button
Vote - Imaginative Kane

I went on our weekly shopping run (mmmmm I love replaying apocalypse) and haven’t had the time to keep up. After reading through, here are my thoughts:

First of all, let me clear something up. I did kill Hydra. (Not sure why I didn’t say that initially, I’ve wasted everyone’s time)

Now I’m not entirely sure how the points system works, but I will mention i have a score of -1 which means i lose points for claiming, but then I should have gotten +1 for false information, right? But I didn’t.

Also Laurentus, I would expect better from you as an experienced player (and this also applies to Gerrick) Why would immediately assume a host bent on providing misinformation and misguidance is gonna just hand everyone a turret on a silver platter? I’m incredibly surprised you weren’t immediately suspicious of it. Also, Ruguo put a LOT of effort into this game and then switched it up. Surely they wouldn’t be so lazy as to put the same role with the same effects in round 2. The fact that I am an alignment cop with the same white effect is just chance. Did you also have grav effect and cake effect? It doesn’t really add up to say I could be a carbon copy of you last game. You jumped at the chance for an easy lynch which is highly suspicious, though I can’t say you’re scum, nothing else says that you are. But then again, I thought the same last game.

Oh, please, if you're suspicious of me, then vote for me, already. The same applies to you, Sapph.

The longer you don't, the more suspicious I become. This push to portray everything as randomised and chaotic is almost certainly a ploy by the scum, because a game that random may as well just be a bunch of dice rolls, and I refuse to consider the possibility that Ruguo made a game that is fundamentally about investigation and deduction that pointless to try and solve.

The only people who benefit from this line of thinking are scum, and now you've actually convinced people to lynch the host, wasting an entire round of questioning?

So yeah, you know what, consider these 3 people my top scum reads:

1. Pengu
2. Red Mones
3. Sapphiron

Between what happened with Hydra and Silv's extisential crisis with the game cube I really have no idea whats going on, honestly. And the reason why I have been quiet beyond usually being asleep when y'all are awake is, quite simply, I have nothing to say, I have no leads or anything other then the fact that I think Lau and Barnes are not scum based off their day 1 interaction.

Just to have a vote registered I vote to Push the button and hope the next gel effect helps me.

Don't know how I missed that it was Kane who started the Ruguo bandwagon.

Thanks for that observation, @Batma n

So, top scum amended:

1. Pengu
2. Red Mones
3. Sapph
4. Kane

Huh, I just re-read through Ruguo's bits.

The only way we'd possibly get a good advantage that he's suggesting is if we all vote for him...meaning it has to be most likely an outright unanimous vote rather than just a majority.

That in itself makes it somewhat pointless to waste rounds voting for him on a gimmick when we can be rooting out actual turrets.  I really don't foresee everyone ever agreeing on a vote altogether, so we're just wasting votes when we throw them at him.

Remove vote

That being said, Vor is giving me a bit of pause on his wishy washy voting.  He seemed easily convinced like Laurentus over something that was questionable, which okay, I get it because the host seemingly implicated them.  But then he removed the vote because of it being basically circumstantial.  Okay, fine, I'll bite since I've been thinking it was purely circumstantial and influenced by the type of round it is.

On the other hand, he's voting for Kane because of questionable choice in tactic (which it is questionable and I have no problem suggesting it get looked into), but something about it just feels off to me.

Doc as well bothers me with his reasoning:

I think it's worth trying to see if this is as much of a gimmick game as it appears.
Vote: Ruguo.
I urge everyone to join me, since, after all, it 'will take all of us' to get out of the room - implying that at the very least if we all agree to do this it'll be a 'new room' entirely.

So he's pushing the vote for Ruguo to "See if this is as much of a gimmick game as it appears."  I'm sorry, but that's not incredibly productive, especially if my guess is right and the vote has to be unanimous to mean anything.  That just seems like a stretch to basically throw away a vote to see the "gimmicks" rather than wanting to root out the actual wolves.

Though if anything, Doc is a bit higher on my list than Vor because that's pretty odd voting in itself.  If I had to go through my top 3 list, it'd probably be:

1) Doc
2) Kane
3) Vroendal

and I'm still combing through on who I think the 4th turret would be.

And I do also think that Laurentus is townie.  He's been pretty vocal, especially this phase...however, his play style reminds me of how he can normally be as a townie, and I'm inclined to believe it for now.

Huh, I just re-read through Ruguo's bits.

The only way we'd possibly get a good advantage that he's suggesting is if we all vote for him...meaning it has to be most likely an outright unanimous vote rather than just a majority.

That in itself makes it somewhat pointless to waste rounds voting for him on a gimmick when we can be rooting out actual turrets.  I really don't foresee everyone ever agreeing on a vote altogether, so we're just wasting votes when we throw them at him.

Remove vote

That being said, Vor is giving me a bit of pause on his wishy washy voting.  He seemed easily convinced like Laurentus over something that was questionable, which okay, I get it because the host seemingly implicated them.  But then he removed the vote because of it being basically circumstantial.  Okay, fine, I'll bite since I've been thinking it was purely circumstantial and influenced by the type of round it is.

On the other hand, he's voting for Kane because of questionable choice in tactic (which it is questionable and I have no problem suggesting it get looked into), but something about it just feels off to me.

Doc as well bothers me with his reasoning:

I think it's worth trying to see if this is as much of a gimmick game as it appears.
Vote: Ruguo.
I urge everyone to join me, since, after all, it 'will take all of us' to get out of the room - implying that at the very least if we all agree to do this it'll be a 'new room' entirely.

So he's pushing the vote for Ruguo to "See if this is as much of a gimmick game as it appears."  I'm sorry, but that's not incredibly productive, especially if my guess is right and the vote has to be unanimous to mean anything.  That just seems like a stretch to basically throw away a vote to see the "gimmicks" rather than wanting to root out the actual wolves.

Though if anything, Doc is a bit higher on my list than Vor because that's pretty odd voting in itself.  If I had to go through my top 3 list, it'd probably be:

1) Doc
2) Kane
3) Vroendal

and I'm still combing through on who I think the 4th turret would be.

And I do also think that Laurentus is townie.  He's been pretty vocal, especially this phase...however, his play style reminds me of how he can normally be as a townie, and I'm inclined to believe it for now.

You bemoan Vroendal for being wishy-washy, but display the exact same thing in your own post. How do you simultaneously have Kane and Vro as your top scum reads?

Oh, please, if you're suspicious of me, then vote for me, already. The same applies to you, Sapph.

What do you mean? I’ve been suspicious of you for a total of about 2 hours. This isn’t something I’ve brought up before earlier. I’m would like a rebuttal and more discussion before I do anything.

The longer you don't, the more suspicious I become. This push to portray everything as randomised and chaotic is almost certainly a ploy by the scum, because a game that random may as well just be a bunch of dice rolls, and I refuse to consider the possibility that Ruguo made a game that is fundamentally about investigation and deduction that pointless to try and solve.

Yes, investigation and deduction, not an outright reveal. Remember the hydra clue from last game that wasn’t meant to point to him? Ruguo isn’t going to be that specific. And I never said it was randomized. Ruguo mentioned some of the effects last game took “problem solving”. That’s what is needed. Problem solving. It’s neither randomized nor as easy as D2 role reveals.

The only people who benefit from this line of thinking are scum, and now you've actually convinced people to lynch the host, wasting an entire round of questioning?

me? I haven’t brought up the Ruguo lynch once, because in my opinion, it’s another plot to sow chaos. You’ll notice I haven’t voted for it.

Hmmm... messed up my quotes.

Oh, please, if you're suspicious of me, then vote for me, already. The same applies to you, Sapph.

What do you mean? I’ve been suspicious of you for a total of about 2 hours. This isn’t something I’ve brought up before earlier. I’m would like a rebuttal and more discussion before I do anything.

The longer you don't, the more suspicious I become. This push to portray everything as randomised and chaotic is almost certainly a ploy by the scum, because a game that random may as well just be a bunch of dice rolls, and I refuse to consider the possibility that Ruguo made a game that is fundamentally about investigation and deduction that pointless to try and solve.

Yes, investigation and deduction, not an outright reveal. Remember the hydra clue from last game that wasn’t meant to point to him? Ruguo isn’t going to be that specific. And I never said it was randomized. Ruguo mentioned some of the effects last game took “problem solving”. That’s what is needed. Problem solving. It’s neither randomized nor as easy as D2 role reveals.

The only people who benefit from this line of thinking are scum, and now you've actually convinced people to lynch the host, wasting an entire round of questioning?

me? I haven’t brought up the Ruguo lynch once, because in my opinion, it’s another plot to sow chaos. You’ll notice I haven’t voted for it.