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  • In Judaism, the concept of "impure animals", plays a prominent role in the Kashrut, the part of Jewish law that specifies which foods are allowed (kosher) or forbidden to Jews.

    In Islam several animals are considered unclean and their consumption is sinful (harām), except in case of necessity; while others are permitted (halāl), as long as they are slaughtered in the proper manner and with blessings given to God.

    While the majority of Christians agree that the dietary restrictions of the Old Testament were lifted with Christ's New Covenant, a view known as Supersessionism, there are Torah-submissive Christians who believe that they should still be observed.

    According to the ancient Hindu scriptures (cf. Manusmṛti and medicinal texts like Sushruta Samhita), dog's meat was regarded as the most unclean (and rather poisonous) food possible.

    Basically, the idea of "unclean animals" is seen throughout many relgious cultures, not just Western.

    I'd personally never eat a dog, but I'd like to be vegetarian generally!
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  • Basically, the idea of "unclean animals" is seen throughout many relgious cultures, not just Western.
    Oh, certainly.
    But the cultures in which the notion of unclean animals doesn't exist are generally the ones which had limited megafaunal animal husbandry - i.e. the Pacific Islands or Native American ones I mentioned earlier. Without access to cows, sheep, goats, pigs - the 'traditional' meats we associate with meat consumption...well, the Xolo was a delicacy in pre-Columbian Aztec culture, in the same way as the guinea pig (another primarily-pet animal in the modern day) was (and continues to be) a Peruvian delicacy.

    So while your point is well-founded, it's also one we have to view through the lens of resource access; Eurasian cultures could determine certain animals to be 'unclean' because they had a surfeit of available options; others without those options never bothered to make those determinations.
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  • I didn't mean to start a cultural/religious debate, I just wanted to legally protect dogs! I don't care if it sounds biased ;-;
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  • Haha, when your joke furry proposal becomes fodder for serious business. :P
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  • I mean, we've done joke proposals before, so this felt legally admissible. And I was really proud of writing it, too.
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  • It is legally admissible, it just seems to have crossed into the headwinds of real life cultural exchanges. v_v
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  • I didn't mean to start a cultural/religious debate, I just wanted to legally protect dogs! I don't care if it sounds biased ;-;
    too bad i am prepared to die on this hill
    I mean, I'm not really, truly, deeply, fundamentally opposed to it. I just thought it was a Learning Opportunity for people to think 'Wow, other cultural groups have different sociocultural associations with animals!' (e.g. people in the anglosphere being horrified at the notion of eating horse but it being totes cool for people in, say, France)
    which, idk, probably seems obvious to a lot of people but to the people for whom it's non-obvious may be revelatory, and i'd rather be a brief, mild annoyance to 10 people-already-in-the-know while helping inform 1 person who had no idea than just say nothing
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  • wow what an intensely eurocentric bias
    east asia, the pacific islands, many pre-columbian native american cultures all consume/d dog
    if there is to be any credence to the notion that Wintreath is a region that accepts all cultures, beliefs, and practices equally then we must either allow the slaughter of all animals for meat and/or culturo-religious practices, or none at all
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    (I'm mostly busting your balls in the above but I should confess there's a bit of me that is a tad resentful of the privileged space dogs/cats hold as 'solely pet animals' within the Western mindset, concerns which don't extend universally to other things people keep as pet animals e.g. snakes, ferrets, or in my cousin's case, chickens (no, she's not raising them for eggs, they're literally pets, she carries this horrifying modern velociraptor around lovingly and calls it 'Kylo Hen', a pun I appreciate much more when it doesn't involve talons dangerously close to eye level).
    And, I mean, I'm not a super huge fan of pet snakes or, evidently, hens, but it just seems callous to me that because Western Society traditionally keeps certain animals as pets and not others that we then place the former on a magical pedestal that is subsequently enshrined into law, rather than accepting that that is merely the practice of a particular sociocultural group and protecting all of them equally.
    tl;dr ban all slaughter or none at all
    also i do actually believe the underhusen must be destroyed)
    I was in full agreement until the whole underhusen must be destroyed part. Like what's that all about 😂
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  • Consult my signature. That's essentially what Cato the Elder said to end every speech ('also, I believe Carthage must be destroyed'), except instead of 'Carthage', I have 'Underhusen'. I did that in this post, ending it by saying 'also I believe the Underhusen must be destroyed'.
    The joke itself is pretty much founded on my Wintrean political ideology effectively being 'I don't care what we do, but we should burn down the UH beforehand'.
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  • Basically, the idea of "unclean animals" is seen throughout many relgious cultures, not just Western.
    Oh, certainly.
    But the cultures in which the notion of unclean animals doesn't exist are generally the ones which had limited megafaunal animal husbandry - i.e. the Pacific Islands or Native American ones I mentioned earlier. Without access to cows, sheep, goats, pigs - the 'traditional' meats we associate with meat consumption...well, the Xolo was a delicacy in pre-Columbian Aztec culture, in the same way as the guinea pig (another primarily-pet animal in the modern day) was (and continues to be) a Peruvian delicacy.

    So while your point is well-founded, it's also one we have to view through the lens of resource access; Eurasian cultures could determine certain animals to be 'unclean' because they had a surfeit of available options; others without those options never bothered to make those determinations.
    Agreed with your other posts but I don't know if this particular analysis is accurate.

    Various Amerindian societies considered different foods taboo. The fact that some Amerindian societies also considered other foods to be delicacies doesn't really have a bearing on that because the two are not mutually exclusive, nor do I really see a reason for there to be a negative correlation. For instance, Google tells me that the Navajo had a religious taboo against eating fish and fowl, which was extended to the various Eurasian domesticated animals also (especially chicken).

    Pre-Columbian societies as a whole may not be a good/illustrative example of what you're saying though, I think. As a whole, they had a great diversity of food, especially in the complex Mesoamerican and Andean societies you brought up as examples. In places with actual scarcity of food or food options, I think what you're saying may hold more true (for instance, Arctic societies using all parts the animal because of the lack of plant nutrients, or the lengths that inland New Guinean societies go to get just a little bit of low-quality salt).
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  • in the same way as the guinea pig (another primarily-pet animal in the modern day) was (and continues to be) a Peruvian delicacy.

    My grandmother on my mom's side was born in Perú and I love to visit. Cuy (Quechua for guinea pig and pronounced coo-e) is delicious and sort of like a national animal in the way Australia has kangaroos or New Zealand has kiwis etc.

    It's also a lot bigger and not the same as a pet guinea pig you'd buy at the store. There are a billion of them running around in the eastern and southern parts of the country. The Incas basically were tired of seeing them around and someone decided to eat one since they are basically little pigs and the rest is history.

    Same way there are different fruits that only grow in some countries and are foreign to others these animals are only found there but many nations have laws banning the import of their meat based on the false belief it's the same as a pet guinea pig.
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