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Also where’s @taulover and @Hydra?

I've been around, mostly reading and trying to wrap my head around everything. It always takes a while for things to start clicking in my brain and to form actual suspicions for these Werewolf games, and with 30 players, that's just making it all the more difficult to keep track of all that's going on.

Also, guys, please refrain from posting exact details about your night actions as far as possible.

You can use it when the time is right, for example when you can out someone's lies and help us lynch particularly tricky scum.

Scum is almost guaranteed to plan their own night actions around every piece of info they gain about our roles.

Also, games with roleclaims are still so weird for me since most of the ones I've played on Wintreath usually don't allow them.

I think we should focus more on the quieter players. I think this Pengu train we are rolling on now screams of the same town vs town attack ExLight v Aragonn did.

If I were wolf I'd be playing quiet and letting the noisy players eat each other up while picking up the scraps.

I'm largely focused on Madeline, Moot, Aren, Urban, god actually looking at the list there's a LOOOOOT.

I doubt that the entirety of the scum team is lurking, but half or so potentially could be. Eventually the host is going to run out of replacements though. Maybe players will start posting upon threat of modkill.

I know he's busy with region matters, which explains his quietness here, but in my past games Moot tends to be a subtle wolf. This isn't to say that he is a wolf necessarily, but that he'd be good at hiding it if he were.

Also where’s @taulover and @Hydra?

I've been around, mostly reading and trying to wrap my head around everything. It always takes a while for things to start clicking in my brain and to form actual suspicions for these Werewolf games, and with 30 players, that's just making it all the more difficult to keep track of all that's going on.

Also, guys, please refrain from posting exact details about your night actions as far as possible.

You can use it when the time is right, for example when you can out someone's lies and help us lynch particularly tricky scum.

Scum is almost guaranteed to plan their own night actions around every piece of info they gain about our roles.

Also, games with roleclaims are still so weird for me since most of the ones I've played on Wintreath usually don't allow them.

It's not your lurking that's pinging me here, but your non-commital attitude. At least share who you're finding the least and most suspicious.

I think we should focus more on the quieter players. I think this Pengu train we are rolling on now screams of the same town vs town attack ExLight v Aragonn did.

If I were wolf I'd be playing quiet and letting the noisy players eat each other up while picking up the scraps.

I'm largely focused on Madeline, Moot, Aren, Urban, god actually looking at the list there's a LOOOOOT.

I doubt that the entirety of the scum team is lurking, but half or so potentially could be. Eventually the host is going to run out of replacements though. Maybe players will start posting upon threat of modkill.

Agreed. Though if the whole team realized how quick we were at each others throat its possible they might quiet down and let things play out.

Players who started vocal and have since quieted down are also a concern.


Y'all more experienced than me so if a while wolf team flying on the DL is unreasonable my bad. Its just what I would do.

Okay like seriously, can anyone get me a list of who here has never played mafia before and who here has played however many games pretty please it would help a lot

I've only ever played friendly games IRL.

doesn’t matter now, he’s dead.

May still be helpful for those unfamiliar with Wintreath's meta.

I don't have the time or energy to compile such a list, but The Fabled Hall of Winners is a good start, though it does appear to be almost 2 years out of date by now (@Pengu @Ruguo pls update that topic at some point, no rush though, lol thanks) and also doesn't account for various username changes.

*yawns and walks out of bed*

I can do this now yes?

Vote: Push the Button

Let's play a game. 

My opinion on pushing the button has not changed. I wish to Push the Button.

Forgot about the button. I want to try these new mechanics Ruguo has blessed us with and i think it’ll give us information. Vote: Press the Button

The OP says that button push votes are cumulative across days. I don't think you need to revote if you've already voted to push the button and want to keep it that way.

OOF I'M GONNA GO BALLISTIC it logged me out mid post i am peeved. i'll try to recreate the exact post lmao

Ah yeah I remember that happening back in the day. Lost a few good RP posts when I used to do things on school computers. Always check "stay logged in" when you log in on Wintreath, otherwise that will happen with some regularity. 

I am having trouble finding the time to read through this thread because of my school workload especially since I have finals next week.  Because of this, I really can't be sure about who is glaringly suspicious and who is not.

@El Fiji Grande is still someone who I feel should provide some more explanations for their vote although I am not necessarily suspicious of them since they could have just been too busy to check the thread and see that ExLight was innocent.

It is worrying that @Mathyland has still gone the whole game without posting here even while being online on the forums during the game although they may be busy.

Also where’s @taulover and @Hydra?

I've been around, mostly reading and trying to wrap my head around everything. It always takes a while for things to start clicking in my brain and to form actual suspicions for these Werewolf games, and with 30 players, that's just making it all the more difficult to keep track of all that's going on.

It would be nice to hear more of your suspicions that way they can be evaluated.  You have been pretty quiet which is definitely not a good sign if previous games are taken into consideration.

I think we should focus more on the quieter players. I think this Pengu train we are rolling on now screams of the same town vs town attack ExLight v Aragonn did.

If I were wolf I'd be playing quiet and letting the noisy players eat each other up while picking up the scraps.

I'm largely focused on Madeline, Moot, Aren, Urban, god actually looking at the list there's a LOOOOOT.

I doubt that the entirety of the scum team is lurking, but half or so potentially could be. Eventually the host is going to run out of replacements though. Maybe players will start posting upon threat of modkill.

Agreed. Though if the whole team realized how quick we were at each others throat its possible they might quiet down and let things play out.

Players who started vocal and have since quieted down are also a concern.


Y'all more experienced than me so if a while wolf team flying on the DL is unreasonable my bad. Its just what I would do.

Just out of curiosity, who are some of those active players that have since quieted down Hapi?

Mathy quit and was replaced by the dino person (lil g)  I think.

Or Weiss. One of them.

Mathy quit and was replaced by the dino person (lil g)  I think.

Or Weiss. One of them.

Correct, it was me.

I have played games where a wolf can have power roles such as Jailer, so neither Pengu's claim nor Lau's confirmation necessarily prove their innocence as townies in a game this complex.

EFG's vote-then-duck is also somewhat suspicious.

For the most part I'm still settling in and reading through the thread to get a better idea of how this game is going to play out.

I also Vote: Push the Button.

I'll go ahead and share the exact question I got asked upon being jailed.

"Can you describe in detail the nature of what you're about?"

I am having trouble seeing a scum motivation for that outing, though. If he was a scum jailor, it'd make more sense to me to keep that knowledge only within the scum team and have me killed off the next night. Especially since my town cred was not great and I doubt I would have been defended.

And sure, I know we've entered the land of WIFOM, but the entire idea behind seeing if someone is town or scum is based on 1. meta, and 2. trying to gauge their intentions and see whether it's town or scum, and from his meta, sharing this does not fit. I've already addressed the motive portion.

Specifically, it does not fit his scum meta.

Katie/Batma n: 1 (Pengu)

you posted plenty of times after this vote count was posted. convenient to say you assumed it didn't count. (let me know if this is a cultural difference but where i'm from, a vote counts for the slot and not the player themselves)

I will say this is a bit different since there's so many new players in this game, even ones who were already members here.  As far as the older players though, so far they've all been as active as I'd expect them to be in a normal game, and none in particular have set off any bells so far.   Even defensiveness from some of the players comes off as pretty legit since I've seen it in past games when they were the same and proved to be innocent.

This is going to be one of those times where I'll have to comb through the thread and really see if anything in particular sticks out.  But on a general peruse, so far nothing seems out of the ordinary.

i went through and this is really the most relevant thing you had to say about the state of the game. you remained extremely neutral throughout the course of the day. I find this suspicious as well.

Also remember guys according to rule four you can simply nit vote so you guys trying to vote random to save your no lynch dont need to

True, but  choosing to just not vote, especially in a game that requires a minimum of 2 posts per day to ensure that you're a part of it, is incredibly suspicious.  It'd be one thing if you accidentally missed a day, but when you're required to post to ensure activity, it just comes off as odd that you wouldn't vote just to avoid using your "No Lynch" vote.

So, since you assumed your vote didn't count, why were you content to let your vote slip off Katie while saying that not voting is incredibly suspicious?

Apologies for not getting to this earlier.  I was stepping back a bit since I've already suffered a lot of foot-in-mouth syndrome with my posts, so I wanted to hang back for a bit and gather myself before posting again.

To your first point: This is literally the first Wintreath game we've had with replacements.  I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but we're lucky if we even get 20 interested players normally, let alone 30 plus so far 4 replacements.

That being the case, I'm used to the votes being for the player since it's normally only been the player and not a replacement for said player.

Being as I'm more used to hosting the games rather than playing them, I've learned to normally be more neutral in games since I'm used to knowing everyone's roles and going between good and bad PMs while keeping that knowledge to myself.  Ask anyone, it's actually not out of character for me to be neutral and usually unopinionated about people.  They usually have to say something that really catches my eye to get me to sway towards them, such as Red Mones' laughing bits after talking Funnier being killed (which he's since then clarified).

To your last point: I actually don't have a reasoning for that, though I was thinking more about people who post and start bandwagons only to conveniently not vote on said bandwagoj themselves.  Admittedly, I didn't really convey that in my post, so I see why that'd come off as a bit questionable and contradictory on my part that I was assuming my vote would turn into a no vote.

There's a bit I wanna reply to but I'll have to get to it later.


Funnier did choose me as the middleman for his role. I only got a message saying to choose someone. Funnier's cryptic post was saying he wanted me to choose Laurentus, so that's what I did. No clue what affect it had though. But if jailer works here how I'm used to it probably wouldn't have mattered anyways since Laurentus couldn't be targetted while in jail.


As for the jailer claim, it is a bit odd that you outed both yourself and Laurentus. I'm not doubting the claim itself as it seems to check out. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's town. I dunno about here, but jailer can be a scum role. Hell, I've been a scum jailer. So I'm skeptical of Pengu for how he's gone about things. I think LG has composed a pretty decent case on him. And I feeling good about her right now, she's looking pretty townie to me. Since she usually is less assertive as scum. Though I have the slightest hesitancy since she did play a great scum game recently. But under these circumstances I'm really liking her entry into the game and she's giving me LG scum hunting vibes.

It definitely sounds like there are both townie and wolfie jail/revealer roles here, especially with how complicated the role setups are this game. Funnier was attempting to use a villager role reveal with Minish, but Pengu's night phase and subsequent outing of Lau feels more like a wolf masking as a villager.

Vote Pengu.

I'm gonna go ahead and vote: Hydra for his non-commital answer earlier. I do not buy that Pengu is scum.

(Also, real talk, I wanna keep Pengu around for as long as possible as preparation for his Mafia Championship game, and even if he is scum, he's at least participative scum, so might let something slip about the other scum in the game).