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I'm not really liking the retaliation vote against Batman here.

I think I'm just going to let this play out.

I don't see Batman as being particularly suspicious with how determined they are on this. There are certain phrases they're using which I don't like, such as the contradiction thing, as to me that implies saying one thing earlier, and then saying something that directly contradicts what was said earlier, not just behaviour that has changed.

That said, this still kinda looks like a Town v Town fight.

I didn't like Batma n's initial no lynch idea, but learning he's only played ToS makes things a little different. (I used to suggest no lynches when I first started playing but experienced players should know why that's not a good idea.)

His case on Ex at the moment is pretty flimsy though. I feel better about voting Red who feels like more experienced scum that tried to take advantage of a situation but drew back when it didn't work out. But I also think Ex is looking pretty townie so I would vote Batma n over him if it came down to it.

Convo w/Batma n

After spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.

Aren't you supposed to try to get votes off of you? I thought the main goal of the game is to survive.

Yes, but if you are town, you know what your defense is because you are town. However, as WW you have to make up a defense, and Exlight's defense seems like they made up one defense, and it didn't get the votes off of them, so they made up another fake defense.

"Hey guys I'm town so I'd really appreciate it if you took your votes off of me k thx"
"Oh no problem bro, I'll get right on that"

I never have ever seen that play out. Your logic and reason is sketch af.

If you are town, you have a defense(your town role), so you can't change your defense during the game. Exlight has changed their defense many times (as explained in the previous post).

That is, of course, assuming that people believe you. You could be lying, and it's that chance that you could be lying about your role that some people don't like and will continue to press you. There's also that good chance that revealing your role will get scum to off you in the night.

What I'm saying is, if you're town, you know you're town, so why lie. Exlight defending with three vastly different defenses seems like a very weird thing for a townie to do.

If you're town, you're not lying. If you're scum, you're lying but saying the same thing as you would if you were town. So how can you, the other player, tell if they're lying or not? Have you some sixth sense? A third eye? If you're psychic, I would really recommend you get studied by some psychologists or something.

Also, his defense didn't really change in substance. It only changed in style because people were claiming he was being too aggressive.

What I'm saying is, if you're town, you know you're town, so why lie. Exlight defending with three vastly different defenses seems like a very weird thing for a townie to do.

Except I didn't lie at any moment?
You keep saying I used different defenses, my claim remained consistent all the time; and trying to approach the game with different perspectives or postures means literally nothing about alignment.

Have you ever tried to consider outside factor like personal life might also affect how people play? Can't a person be annoyed or frustrated one day and play more aggressively than in another? Can't a person be without the will to analyze stuff in one game but not in another?
Not only that, can't a person quickly change their playstyle to see how a certain community they know nothing about reacts to each?

Why would any of that be alignment indicative? Different approaches don't mean wolfiness in any way, and you're trying to push a logic that is just flawed and twisted at this point. Whether or not this is intentional or not is the issue here.

I'm not really liking the retaliation vote against Batman here.

I'm townreading the only other viable wagon, I have to place it somewhere

Someone trying to solidify the lynch of an important town role for literally no reason when we have less than a few hours for the day to end doesn't seem unreasonable to me

At this point, it's looking TWTBAW. He clearly doesn't believe your claim, and expecting everyone to is also unreasonable.

Also is Laur off to you or is it just me?

I don't quite know Laurentus' meta so it's hard to say if he feels off. I think he dropped out of Anime without posting much. And the qualifier you two were in I started paying more attention after he was vig'd.

He does have a sort of laid back approach this game though which is the one thing making me a little apprehensive. I feel like he should be asserting his opinion more than he is if he's actually trying to scumhunt.

Also no problem about the liking a post. I did the exact same thing right before you. Lol.

At this point, it's looking TWTBAW. He clearly doesn't believe your claim, and expecting everyone to is also unreasonable.

yet I'm the main wagon
sigh

Convo w/Batma n

After spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.

Aren't you supposed to try to get votes off of you? I thought the main goal of the game is to survive.

Yes, but if you are town, you know what your defense is because you are town. However, as WW you have to make up a defense, and Exlight's defense seems like they made up one defense, and it didn't get the votes off of them, so they made up another fake defense.

"Hey guys I'm town so I'd really appreciate it if you took your votes off of me k thx"
"Oh no problem bro, I'll get right on that"

I never have ever seen that play out. Your logic and reason is sketch af.

If you are town, you have a defense(your town role), so you can't change your defense during the game. Exlight has changed their defense many times (as explained in the previous post).

That is, of course, assuming that people believe you. You could be lying, and it's that chance that you could be lying about your role that some people don't like and will continue to press you. There's also that good chance that revealing your role will get scum to off you in the night.

What I'm saying is, if you're town, you know you're town, so why lie. Exlight defending with three vastly different defenses seems like a very weird thing for a townie to do.

If you're town, you're not lying. If you're scum, you're lying but saying the same thing as you would if you were town. So how can you, the other player, tell if they're lying or not? Have you some sixth sense? A third eye? If you're psychic, I would really recommend you get studied by some psychologists or something.

Also, his defense didn't really change in substance. It only changed in style because people were claiming he was being too aggressive.

Isn't that what scumreading is? Figuring out if someone is lying about being town.
However, I will Remove my vote for Exlight because some more experienced players than me are saying that they are probably town, and it is only Day 1, but I still think Exlight is somebody to watch out for

Convo w/Batma n

After spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.

Aren't you supposed to try to get votes off of you? I thought the main goal of the game is to survive.

Yes, but if you are town, you know what your defense is because you are town. However, as WW you have to make up a defense, and Exlight's defense seems like they made up one defense, and it didn't get the votes off of them, so they made up another fake defense.

"Hey guys I'm town so I'd really appreciate it if you took your votes off of me k thx"
"Oh no problem bro, I'll get right on that"

I never have ever seen that play out. Your logic and reason is sketch af.

If you are town, you have a defense(your town role), so you can't change your defense during the game. Exlight has changed their defense many times (as explained in the previous post).

That is, of course, assuming that people believe you. You could be lying, and it's that chance that you could be lying about your role that some people don't like and will continue to press you. There's also that good chance that revealing your role will get scum to off you in the night.

What I'm saying is, if you're town, you know you're town, so why lie. Exlight defending with three vastly different defenses seems like a very weird thing for a townie to do.

If you're town, you're not lying. If you're scum, you're lying but saying the same thing as you would if you were town. So how can you, the other player, tell if they're lying or not? Have you some sixth sense? A third eye? If you're psychic, I would really recommend you get studied by some psychologists or something.

Also, his defense didn't really change in substance. It only changed in style because people were claiming he was being too aggressive.

Isn't that what scumreading is? Figuring out if someone is lying about being town.
However, I will Remove my vote for Exlight because some more experienced players than me are saying that they are probably town, and it is only Day 1, but I still think Exlight is somebody to watch out for

There is nothing preventing absolutely atrocious logic from seeping into the experienced players. Your arguments are just not convincing to me at this point.

That said, clearly your gut is telling you something is wrong. Why don't you try and put your finger on what it is?

Cool.
My vote still stays and I still prefer you as a counterwagon over Red.

I don't wish to vote for Batma n just yet, but I don't want Ex getting lynched just yet either.

Hmm decisions, decisions...

I'm down for voting off players who are inactive and not contributing to the discussion. I'm sure it would help them out as well, as they're probably either too busy to keep up with such an active game or are completely overwhelmed and don't know where to start theorizing.

I'm down for voting off players who are inactive and not contributing to the discussion. I'm sure it would help them out as well, as they're probably either too busy to keep up with such an active game or are completely overwhelmed and don't know where to start theorizing.

This kinda matches my personal views about inactives
but it would kinda be the same as voting for a no lynch or even worse since they're likely to get modkilled or replaced anyway