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Y'all I haven't been able to get through reading my pm or the OP without my eyes glazing over and idk when I'm gonna have the strength to push through

Oof, 6 wolves??

You sound like someone who rolled scum.

Indeed, and since the Wolves are at a numbers disadvantage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have extra abilities to help compensate.

This game ihttps://wintreath.com/forums/Smileys/newdefault/azn.gifs going to be insane. Team work is going to be absolutely vital.

As though in any other situation it would not be vital hm

I hardly would call this any more a numbers disadvantage than there always is, 30 players can cause so much chaos it would be almost miraculous to lynch scum when you have six people who obviously don't want you to do that. Without regard to roles a 6 player team is quite big enough to do whatever the heck they want just from how easy it is subtly poke things in the direction they want them to go, while the rest of us may be unfortunately paranoid and wishy washy which happens in these kinds of situations

Por que no los dos?

Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already 

We're not used to playing games here where the roles list is not available, and we have many people playing for the first time, so yeah, team work is going to be much more vital than it usually is.

Haha, answering in a different language is a scum slip for you? I will keep that in mind, but I suppose scum!Funnier will not be repeating such an act now that they've let the entire world know what it is.

And fair enough, with so many new players added on top of it, this is likely to produce a very paranoid town.

I'm not seeing what not having the role list available has to do with anything

@funnier6, you can put the entire quote in a spoiler.

That doesnt have anything to do with what I asked?

The fact that we don't have a roles list means we're going to have to discuss the possible roles amongst each other a lot and claim at optimal times, something we don't typically do around here. I hosted an exact replica of our MU game in December, and no one coordinated to figure out who was holding which ability.

WHY on earth would you host an exact replica with that setup from hell aaaaaaaaaaaaa

But regardless, I dont believe that night action coordination is a priority anyway, if circumstances drive certain people to claim and they want to coordinate with each other mkay, but trying to coordinate night actions in a game as huge and chaotic as this sounds like a huge mess regardless and I would rather each player do the best they can. We'd literally have to lose 18 town players to lose this game so I'm not really interested in it. Mass role claiming and and role coordination is something I prefer to be left to last ditch circumstances, which should be quite unnecessary in this game. Like, if you dont have super relevant information to claim or if youre not about to die I dont know why youre claiming. You know as well as I do that claims in general were a source of confusion and insanity in our game so I dont really see where youre coming from with this

At least the roles flip after death here right?

I seem to have had a fundamentally different opinion on the role claims. There was that claim from Eric that caused a lot of confusion (and dumbassery on my part), but overall, I viewed it as quite the utility. The problem with that game for me was more that Lady Lambdadelta had taken control of Town's actions completely and stripped the night actions of any utility they could otherwise have had.

I'll not push the button still and vote @Mathyland just to get them more active.

Actually, that's not a bad idea.

I'll Vote: @Katie to get her more active because she's normally a very vocal person.

I feel like this is bit hypocritical being I dont recall you being particularly active and vocal yourself

30 players and the leading wagon so far has 2 votes
where yall :glare:

I'm not getting defensive. I was simply trying to help people understand the rules. Why everyone is jumping on me for it, I don't know.

Why do people always sounds super defensive when explaining that they're not getting defensive

saying I'm a turret for commenting basic balance and slapping a vote on me over stupid semantics seems like a really aggressive approach if anything
feels like someone looking for a scapegoat and picking the high poster just because they stand out and are more likely to trigger discussions

You're a high poster? 

Except I didn't pin you for a turret nor did I vote for you despite you voting for me. Hmm... Maybe I'm not trying to attack you? No, that can't possibly be. This is Werewolf! Everyone attacks everyone all the time! Nobody actually tries to be helpful.

I'm pretty sure you literally called him a turret and you're also getting simultaneously more defensive and aggressive the more you try to say you're not

sips tea

While being somewhat exhausting, this is starting to feel much more like the Funnier I was expecting.

quote chain from Funnier

Y'all I haven't been able to get through reading my pm or the OP without my eyes glazing over and idk when I'm gonna have the strength to push through

Oof, 6 wolves??

You sound like someone who rolled scum.

Indeed, and since the Wolves are at a numbers disadvantage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have extra abilities to help compensate.

This game ihttps://wintreath.com/forums/Smileys/newdefault/azn.gifs going to be insane. Team work is going to be absolutely vital.

As though in any other situation it would not be vital hm

I hardly would call this any more a numbers disadvantage than there always is, 30 players can cause so much chaos it would be almost miraculous to lynch scum when you have six people who obviously don't want you to do that. Without regard to roles a 6 player team is quite big enough to do whatever the heck they want just from how easy it is subtly poke things in the direction they want them to go, while the rest of us may be unfortunately paranoid and wishy washy which happens in these kinds of situations

Por que no los dos?

Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already 

We're not used to playing games here where the roles list is not available, and we have many people playing for the first time, so yeah, team work is going to be much more vital than it usually is.

Haha, answering in a different language is a scum slip for you? I will keep that in mind, but I suppose scum!Funnier will not be repeating such an act now that they've let the entire world know what it is.

And fair enough, with so many new players added on top of it, this is likely to produce a very paranoid town.

I'm not seeing what not having the role list available has to do with anything

@funnier6, you can put the entire quote in a spoiler.

That doesnt have anything to do with what I asked?

The fact that we don't have a roles list means we're going to have to discuss the possible roles amongst each other a lot and claim at optimal times, something we don't typically do around here. I hosted an exact replica of our MU game in December, and no one coordinated to figure out who was holding which ability.

WHY on earth would you host an exact replica with that setup from hell aaaaaaaaaaaaa

But regardless, I dont believe that night action coordination is a priority anyway, if circumstances drive certain people to claim and they want to coordinate with each other mkay, but trying to coordinate night actions in a game as huge and chaotic as this sounds like a huge mess regardless and I would rather each player do the best they can. We'd literally have to lose 18 town players to lose this game so I'm not really interested in it. Mass role claiming and and role coordination is something I prefer to be left to last ditch circumstances, which should be quite unnecessary in this game. Like, if you dont have super relevant information to claim or if youre not about to die I dont know why youre claiming. You know as well as I do that claims in general were a source of confusion and insanity in our game so I dont really see where youre coming from with this

At least the roles flip after death here right?

I seem to have had a fundamentally different opinion on the role claims. There was that claim from Eric that caused a lot of confusion (and dumbassery on my part), but overall, I viewed it as quite the utility. The problem with that game for me was more that Lady Lambdadelta had taken control of Town's actions completely and stripped the night actions of any utility they could otherwise have had.

I dont know about that, we can discuss it later, but I am opposed to anything thats going to be distracting, confusing, or unhelpful and the roles in this game are so insane that they easily fit the bill for all three of those and I'd just rather not deal with it unless absolutely necessary.

I was actually thinking of that debacle with ES making all of us lose our minds about Litten and Keith's claims

But anyway the biggest issue with that here is that new players tend to believe claims unconditionally, which is a huge pitfall when mafia may have fake claims or roles similar to town, such as it were in that champs game. Also I disagree, I think it's very very difficult to get anywhere with night actions in that setup, it just relies too much on people using good judgment which... they dont tend to have.

quote chain from Funnier

Y'all I haven't been able to get through reading my pm or the OP without my eyes glazing over and idk when I'm gonna have the strength to push through

Oof, 6 wolves??

You sound like someone who rolled scum.

Indeed, and since the Wolves are at a numbers disadvantage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have extra abilities to help compensate.

This game ihttps://wintreath.com/forums/Smileys/newdefault/azn.gifs going to be insane. Team work is going to be absolutely vital.

As though in any other situation it would not be vital hm

I hardly would call this any more a numbers disadvantage than there always is, 30 players can cause so much chaos it would be almost miraculous to lynch scum when you have six people who obviously don't want you to do that. Without regard to roles a 6 player team is quite big enough to do whatever the heck they want just from how easy it is subtly poke things in the direction they want them to go, while the rest of us may be unfortunately paranoid and wishy washy which happens in these kinds of situations

Por que no los dos?

Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already 

We're not used to playing games here where the roles list is not available, and we have many people playing for the first time, so yeah, team work is going to be much more vital than it usually is.

Haha, answering in a different language is a scum slip for you? I will keep that in mind, but I suppose scum!Funnier will not be repeating such an act now that they've let the entire world know what it is.

And fair enough, with so many new players added on top of it, this is likely to produce a very paranoid town.

I'm not seeing what not having the role list available has to do with anything

@funnier6, you can put the entire quote in a spoiler.

That doesnt have anything to do with what I asked?

The fact that we don't have a roles list means we're going to have to discuss the possible roles amongst each other a lot and claim at optimal times, something we don't typically do around here. I hosted an exact replica of our MU game in December, and no one coordinated to figure out who was holding which ability.

WHY on earth would you host an exact replica with that setup from hell aaaaaaaaaaaaa

But regardless, I dont believe that night action coordination is a priority anyway, if circumstances drive certain people to claim and they want to coordinate with each other mkay, but trying to coordinate night actions in a game as huge and chaotic as this sounds like a huge mess regardless and I would rather each player do the best they can. We'd literally have to lose 18 town players to lose this game so I'm not really interested in it. Mass role claiming and and role coordination is something I prefer to be left to last ditch circumstances, which should be quite unnecessary in this game. Like, if you dont have super relevant information to claim or if youre not about to die I dont know why youre claiming. You know as well as I do that claims in general were a source of confusion and insanity in our game so I dont really see where youre coming from with this

At least the roles flip after death here right?

I seem to have had a fundamentally different opinion on the role claims. There was that claim from Eric that caused a lot of confusion (and dumbassery on my part), but overall, I viewed it as quite the utility. The problem with that game for me was more that Lady Lambdadelta had taken control of Town's actions completely and stripped the night actions of any utility they could otherwise have had.

I dont know about that, we can discuss it later, but I am opposed to anything thats going to be distracting, confusing, or unhelpful and the roles in this game are so insane that they easily fit the bill for all three of those and I'd just rather not deal with it unless absolutely necessary.

I was actually thinking of that debacle with ES making all of us lose our minds about Litten and Keith's claims

But anyway the biggest issue with that here is that new players tend to believe claims unconditionally, which is a huge pitfall when mafia may have fake claims or roles similar to town, such as it were in that champs game. Also I disagree, I think it's very very difficult to get anywhere with night actions in that setup, it just relies too much on people using good judgment which... they dont tend to have.

Yeah, these are good points. I am starting to agree.

While being somewhat exhausting, this is starting to feel much more like the Funnier I was expecting.

I've been absolutely crushed by assignments for the past week man have some pity, I'm also in two games at once which sucks

I finished writing my journal on Oronooko the Royal Slave so I'm getting some mafia in before I scramble to meet my next deadline tonight

Also you still dont feel like Laur to me but idk it might just be the avatar, anyway hi hope youre not mafia but also kinda do cause I think lynching you would be kinda fun 

Also can someone please tell me how to not get an email literally every time I get quoted

While being somewhat exhausting, this is starting to feel much more like the Funnier I was expecting.

I've been absolutely crushed by assignments for the past week man have some pity, I'm also in two games at once which sucks

I finished writing my journal on Oronooko the Royal Slave so I'm getting some mafia in before I scramble to meet my next deadline tonight

Also you still dont feel like Laur to me but idk it might just be the avatar, anyway hi hope youre not mafia but also kinda do cause I think lynching you would be kinda fun 

Also can someone please tell me how to not get an email literally every time I get quoted

LOL, I don't think it's just the avatar. I'm on my home turf now, whereas I was a lost and confused noob who was just trying desperately to make sense of the insanity around me in the MU game while feeling hopelessly out-skilled by the jargon everyone was using, and the unique way you were all analysing the game.

Also, what I said in MU holds true here. I don't wanna live in a world where you are scum. If that turns out to be the case, I might legit cry before I lynch you.

Oh, and @Wintermoot, could you perhaps tell Funnier how to disable the emails? I don't have this problem.

Maybe the Spyfall game is still in my head, but let's Vote: Hapi

Rude.  I've done nothing.

But fair.

I'm going to
Vote: ExLight

Don't like the constant attacks on Aragonn for no reason. Seems like a way to shift focus to me *shrugs*

I cant tell if youre saying the vote because skyfall is fair or if its some other reason but voting someone because theyve done nothing is one of the most valid reasons to vote someone on day one since you cant begin to decide whether someone is town or not until they start doing things.

This is bringing back memories from last game. Vote: ExLight. They are pushing way too hard against Aragonn for my comfort, and Aragonn isn’t suspicious at all, he’s doing exactly what he always does. Why is ExLight pushing so hard over Aragonn telling him to be careful?

What exactly is pushing too hard to you?

Why would you expect Ex to know that Aragonn is playing completely the same when he's never played here before and no one has mentioned this fact?

I dont really see why you're wanting to flip the table with more mechanics nonsense instead of trying to get a handle of who like 25 of these people are. Like, priorities?

Because I'm hoping the mechanics will help me get a better handle on the like 25 people? You know I like mechanics. They can get people talking or doing things that I can read them for. This game is massive. Mechanics aren't gonna make reading anyone any harder for me. Also don't you realize town can get some advantages from these effects?

I never said anything about the effects helping scum? I think you realize that I'm saying the concept of this big complicated distraction in the middle of the game is what I dont want helping scum, not its effects

My wording was a bit unclear there. Though it's kind of weird you interrupted that way considering how bad that sentence looks with that meaning. I wasn't saying if effects help scum, I was saying I was all for effects if they somehow outted scum like they had the potential to in MtG.

Let's put it this way ExLight, nothing Aragonn is doing right now is out of the ordinary. You are right, you don't know how members here play. He seemed the most suspicious to you, so you went after him. We tried to tell you he's playing normally, but it was well after your initial attacks. You are right, we are ignoring the order of events. At this point it's turned into attacks that are taken as personal, regardless of the intent. I need to stress this, Aragonn is playing normally. It should have no bearing on your reasoning. Now that you know that, I hope you'll rethink your thought process. I'll extend an olive branch (since it is my belief your attacks and later, defensiveness, are reasonable) and remove my vote from ExLight. I will still Vote: Press the button.

I went back and looked at some of the votes that quickly piled on Ex.

Red Mones is one that sticks out to me (Dawcreek being the other). His initial vote said that Ex was pushing way too hard against Aragonn, which I didn't really see. Ex didn't seem like he was pushing him all too much to me.

But it's this quote that stands out. From the way Red is talking he seems like he's a somewhat experienced player. The fact that he jumped on Ex so easily when the wagon started gaining traction, then jumped off just as easy when the wagon started getting criticism doesn't look good.

But most importantly, he emphasizes that Aragonn is playing normally and that it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning. The thing is though is that Ex, myself, funnier, and any new player here doesn't know that this is Aragonn playing normally. And to say it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning looks a bit suspicious. Anything can have bearing on someone's reasoning even if it's typical for them. You look for scummy behavior and you poke it. But we have no real reason to trust Red when he says this is normal for Aragonn, since they could easily be scumbuds. The fact that he seemed to be telling Ex how he should read Aragonn doesn't sit well with me. And in a game this big, with so many new players it would be a bit more easy to openly 'powerwolf' (taking control and leading the thread as scum).

Vote: Red Mones

While being somewhat exhausting, this is starting to feel much more like the Funnier I was expecting.

I've been absolutely crushed by assignments for the past week man have some pity, I'm also in two games at once which sucks

I finished writing my journal on Oronooko the Royal Slave so I'm getting some mafia in before I scramble to meet my next deadline tonight

Also you still dont feel like Laur to me but idk it might just be the avatar, anyway hi hope youre not mafia but also kinda do cause I think lynching you would be kinda fun 

Also can someone please tell me how to not get an email literally every time I get quoted

LOL, I don't think it's just the avatar. I'm on my home turf now, whereas I was a lost and confused noob who was just trying desperately to make sense of the insanity around me in the MU game while feeling hopelessly out-skilled by the jargon everyone was using, and the unique way you were all analysing the game.

Also, what I said in MU holds true here. I don't wanna live in a world where you are scum. If that turns out to be the case, I might legit cry before I lynch you.

I've literally barely started trying so it'd be wise if you were a little more skeptical. Me and Ex just won a scum game like last week so be afraid be very afraid  (we got very lucky lol)

Funnier, if you're talking about why I believe Ex's claim, it's because the specifics sound plausible and I'm not seeing anything that would throw me off. But it's not like I know Portal.

In regards to Doc, I don't have a scum chat to go off of.

I do like how you find my avatar cute though 😊

Eh, I'm paranoid enough that I will always be skeptical of everyone, and if push comes to shove, even if it breaks my cynical little heart, I will murder you violently. It's just that I really hope that doesn't happen.

I dont really see why you're wanting to flip the table with more mechanics nonsense instead of trying to get a handle of who like 25 of these people are. Like, priorities?

Because I'm hoping the mechanics will help me get a better handle on the like 25 people? You know I like mechanics. They can get people talking or doing things that I can read them for. This game is massive. Mechanics aren't gonna make reading anyone any harder for me. Also don't you realize town can get some advantages from these effects?

I never said anything about the effects helping scum? I think you realize that I'm saying the concept of this big complicated distraction in the middle of the game is what I dont want helping scum, not its effects

My wording was a bit unclear there. Though it's kind of weird you interrupted that way considering how bad that sentence looks with that meaning. I wasn't saying if effects help scum, I was saying I was all for effects if they somehow outted scum like they had the potential to in MtG.

Let's put it this way ExLight, nothing Aragonn is doing right now is out of the ordinary. You are right, you don't know how members here play. He seemed the most suspicious to you, so you went after him. We tried to tell you he's playing normally, but it was well after your initial attacks. You are right, we are ignoring the order of events. At this point it's turned into attacks that are taken as personal, regardless of the intent. I need to stress this, Aragonn is playing normally. It should have no bearing on your reasoning. Now that you know that, I hope you'll rethink your thought process. I'll extend an olive branch (since it is my belief your attacks and later, defensiveness, are reasonable) and remove my vote from ExLight. I will still Vote: Press the button.

I went back and looked at some of the votes that quickly piled on Ex.

Red Mones is one that sticks out to me (Dawcreek being the other). His initial vote said that Ex was pushing way too hard against Aragonn, which I didn't really see. Ex didn't seem like he was pushing him all too much to me.

But it's this quote that stands out. From the way Red is talking he seems like he's a somewhat experienced player. The fact that he jumped on Ex so easily when the wagon started gaining traction, then jumped off just as easy when the wagon started getting criticism doesn't look good.

But most importantly, he emphasizes that Aragonn is playing normally and that it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning. The thing is though is that Ex, myself, funnier, and any new player here doesn't know that this is Aragonn playing normally. And to say it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning looks a bit suspicious. Anything can have bearing on someone's reasoning even if it's typical for them. You look for scummy behavior and you poke it. But we have no real reason to trust Red when he says this is normal for Aragonn, since they could easily be scumbuds. The fact that he seemed to be telling Ex how he should read Aragonn doesn't sit well with me. And in a game this big, with so many new players it would be a bit more easy to openly 'powerwolf' (taking control and leading the thread as scum).

Vote: Red Mones

I didnt know you liked mechanics actually 

Like, yeah mechanics woo but not especially

Thats kinda the complete opposite of me since when people I dont know start talking about mechanics it's things I cant read because just about anything said can be explained away as oh I didnt understand how they worked or oh I meant to say blah blah blah. Mechanics are the safe thing to talk about

And yes of course I know town can get advantages but like, I dont care. I'm not interested. I have plenty enough abilities to sort out dont need any more thank you.

I also dont get what you mean in your second quote, whats kind of weird about what I said about it? Oh you mean like how weird it would be for you to be for scum gaining effects? I dont see how thats weird, I interpreted it as you saying you didnt mind taking the risk of scum gaining abilities or whatnot because of how potentially disadvantaged scum are in this setup which is lol the only reason I'd push the button since it does seem a little unfair without the chaos to push it more scum side

Funnier, if you're talking about why I believe Ex's claim, it's because the specifics sound plausible and I'm not seeing anything that would throw me off. But it's not like I know Portal.

In regards to Doc, I don't have a scum chat to go off of.

I do like how you find my avatar cute though 😊

Yes, but do you believe he is town because you believe his claim is the important question. I dont think you should believe someone is town based on the plausibility of their claim is what I'm getting at

I have no idea what the context of that second line is