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Open Forum Survey for All Current and Former Citizens
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Melehan
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  • Hello everyone and welcome to Part 1 of the open forum hosted by the Regional Truth Commission!

    We were hoping to have the report out by now, but there's still a lot of things to sift through before the report can be assembled, and with some recent cases cropping up, we figure that expediting the open forum would be prudent.

    This survey is open to all current and former citizens. We ask that you fill this survey out and post it in this thread before participating in the Open Forum Discussion.

    Full Disclosure: as part of gaining approval to run this open forum, an earlier version of these questions were shown to @Wintermoot. He did not make any suggestions nor impose any requirements on the questions, and so they are wholly based on trends the Commission has noted in the evidence we've been reviewing. Additionally, the Commission requested that Wintermoot fill out the survey, so don't be surprised when his reply appears.

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    [b]Are you a current or former citizen? If former, why?[/b]


    [b]What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of your fellow citizens?[/b]


    [b]What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Monarch?[/b]


    [b]Do these differ from your expectations of Wintermoot's personal conduct and responsibilities? If so, why?[/b]


    [b]What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Cabinet?[/b]


    [b]How do these expectations differ for the Underhusen?[/b]


    [b]The Overhusen?[/b]


    [b]Thanes?[/b]


    [b]What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Discord Operators?[/b]


    [b]Are you aware of who the current Operators are? If not, why?[/b]


    [b]Are you aware of how Operators are selected and added? If so, what are your opinions on the current system?[/b]


    [b]Do you have any suggestions for how to improve the current system?[/b]


    [b]Do you distinguish between Discord Operators and other government officials? If not, why?[/b]


    [b]Do you believe the recent cases have been handled appropriately? Why or why not?[/b]


    [b]What suggestions do you have to improve the handling of similar cases in the future?[/b]


    [b]What suggestions do you have for how to avoid similar cases in the future?[/b]


    [b]What do you think about the level of integration between the forums and the server?[/b]


    [b]Do you use one exclusively over the other? If so, why?[/b]


    [b]Do you believe the level of integration between the two is adequate? If not, what suggestions would you make to improve it?[/b]


    [b]Anything else that wasn't covered in the above questions?[/b]

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    « Last Edit: February 23, 2020, 08:11:40 PM by Melehan »
    Melehan
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    Mateo406
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  • b]Are you a current or former citizen? If former, why?[/b]
    Both

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of your fellow citizens?
    To act as reasonable and responsible adults without name calling, back stabbing, trying to turn friends against one another or arguing when someone simply posts a simple opinion.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Monarch?
    As above. Honesty and openness being paramount.

    Do these differ from your expectations of Wintermoot's personal conduct and responsibilities? If so, why?
    Yes. Somethings are simply ignored without even attempting to listen to very real and legitimate concerns.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Cabinet?
    The above.

    How do these expectations differ for the Underhusen?
    When addressing a concern, I was simply told "just ignore it"...

    The Overhusen?
    They're never around so are wholly out of touch

    Thanes?
    What do they even do?

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Discord Operators?
    They have done their jobs adequately imo

    Are you aware of who the current Operators are? If not, why?
    Some

    Are you aware of how Operators are selected and added? If so, what are your opinions on the current system?
    No

    Do you have any suggestions for how to improve the current system?
    Try listening to people for once rather than acting like tin god dictators.

    Do you distinguish between Discord Operators and other government officials? If not, why?
    Nope. Operators control no aspect of the govt

    Do you believe the recent cases have been handled appropriately? Why or why not?
    Nope. Again, suggestions were wholly ignored, or in the case of interviewing me, argued with an extremely biased approach

    What suggestions do you have to improve the handling of similar cases in the future?
    As above. Listen to ur people!!!!

    What suggestions do you have for how to avoid similar cases in the future?
    I gave my suggestions. The interviewer decided to argue and provide their own biased opinion.

    What do you think about the level of integration between the forums and the server?
    Zero

    Do you use one exclusively over the other? If so, why?
    No

    Do you believe the level of integration between the two is adequate? If not, what suggestions would you make to improve it?
    No. Both need to be approachable by both sides, especially govt personnel. U want to rule in discord but never show ur faces.

    Anything else that wasn't covered in the above questions?
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  • Are you a current or former citizen? If former, why?
    Former during both incidents, current after the Reconcilation.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of your fellow citizens?
    Play nice as we all want (or should want at the very least) to be friends and get along.  Follow the rules to make the Monarch's, Operators (Discord) and Cabinet's job easier.  Just be here to have fun while being civil to one another and not causing trouble or friction between one another.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Monarch?
    Uphold the values of the region as its biggest champion.  Respect the views of citizenry even if they may differ from their own.  Maintain a level head in conflicts, without resorting to personal attacks or accusations.  Delegate responsibilities big and small to other parties when they feel overloaded.

    Do these differ from your expectations of Wintermoot's personal conduct and responsibilities? If so, why?
    While the Monarch and Wintermoot are currently one and the same, we must remember that like all of us, Wintermoot is only human.  I don't expect flawless efficiency, I expect mistakes.  But a real leader owns up to those mistakes and finds ways to fix or work past them.  While Wintermoot hasn't hit the same efficiency we expect in the Monarch, he's doing his best even when the odds work against him because of sources with ill intent stirring things up.  If there's any flaw with Wintermoot, it's that he tries to shoulder all of the heavy responsibilities alone which stretches him thin, makes even the most level headed person super stressed, and leaves him vulnerable to attacks...as well as make him highly susceptible to attacking or being suspicious to those he never normally would had he been calm and level headed.  But even in those types of situations once they've been resolved, Wintermoot has shown he isn't afraid to own up to every little mistake he's made or basically self-flagellate and apologize profusely to those he's wronged in those times.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Cabinet?
    To follow the duties of their appointed office, IE Jarl/Thanes of Culture working continuously to improve aspects of culture, and the Jarls and Monarch discussing forum security to help keep things happy and peaceful.  Like the Monarch, they should be champions for upholding Wintreath's values...serving as role models for citizens to emulate.

    How do these expectations differ for the Underhusen?
    The Underhusen theoretically has the expectation of creating and upholding the laws of Wintreath.  This differs from the cabinet because Wintreath Laws can extend into NS itself or even affect neighboring regions.  While we do have Ministries that handle NS and Foreign Affairs, it is the UH for example that is expected to handle laws and statements when NS events (such as a takeover of a known region) occurs.   But as with other government roles, they're expected to take Wintreath's values to heart and serve as role models.

    The Overhusen?
    The Overhusen is expected to debate on material passed through the Underhusen (provided it isn't an Underhusen-specific piece of legislation).  They vote yay or nay and act as a balance to the UH, deciding if the UH passed legislation is truly ready for Wintreath or if it either has no place or needs more work on it first.

    Thanes?
    Thanes are expected to follow the guidelines of the Jarl of their ministry.  Each elected Thane is expected to follow the established criteria of the area that was delegated to them, for example the Thane of Werewolf is expected to run the Werewolf forum and continuously innovate and find ways to make it better, whether it be making it more creative, accessible to more players, or the like.  They, like the Jarls, are expected take their job and make it their own, showing keen interest in wanting to see it flourish.  Like all government roles, they're expected to be role models for Wintreath's values.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Discord Operators?
    Moderate.  Keep the peace.  Make sure the rules and punishments for breaking rules are known and aren't left up to interpretation.  Like the Monarch, Operators should have a level head in situations and an unbiased mindset in arguments.  While they work as a group, Operators should always be allowed to voice any oppositions without worry of repercussions/consequence provided that those oppositions are stated in a civil, respectful way to those around them.  Operators should never be accused of "group think" and should be able to effectively explain their reasons for decisions on matters.  Operators should have proper training in all Discord affairs including knowing how to handle muting channels/members, managing permissions, and how to properly punish rule breaking members without being neither too soft or going too overboard.

    Are you aware of who the current Operators are? If not, why?
    As I am on the team, I currently know all of them.

    Are you aware of how Operators are selected and added? If so, what are your opinions on the current system?
    The current system is that Wintermoot picks a candidate that he feels would make a good fit to the team, and most of the time lets the other OPs talk and decide as a group. I do think the system could be a bit improved since it's virtually identical to OH appointments.  Perhaps a poll for the community as others have suggested, but I could also see potential negative repercussions from that.

    Do you have any suggestions for how to improve the current system?
    I definitely think that's something more for general discussions as opposed to a survey.  But I did suggest having a place to openly talk about grievances people have outside of the Discord's Venting channel.  Weekly Meetings, for example, were an excellent idea...but they were started when tensions were already hitting peak velocity.  I do think something like that could prove better though now that people are a bit more level headed.

    Do you distinguish between Discord Operators and other government officials? If not, why?
    Yes.  Discord officials handle Discord.  Government officials should handle Wintreath.  As there is supposed to be no overlap with the latter (except in cases of Revocation where Discord can be used as evidence), there should be no overlap of the former.  Discord Operators should be champions for all things Discord, officials such as the Cabinet should be champions for Forum happenings.

    Do you believe the recent cases have been handled appropriately? Why or why not?
    Yes and no.  I think they definitely could have been handled better, but forces such as closed door DMs/PMs and private discussions actually hurt the cases quite a bit.  If there hadn't been such scrutinizing and suspicious behavior (with a nudge from a now-banned instigator of it), I think the November incident nor recent string of now-overturned bannings would have never happened.  As far as the Shadow incident, it definitely could have been handled quicker, better, and led to an overall better outcome than it did.  But I only hope that we can use all of those incidents to learn how to be better going forward.

    What suggestions do you have to improve the handling of similar cases in the future?
    Report, report, report.  Report anything suspicous on Discord.  Click the report on questionable posts on the forums.  Use the ".op" tool on Discord.  PM one of the mods or Wintermoot on the forums, or DM an OP on Discord.  DM Zaphyr and use the reporting tool (explained in #Noticeboard) if you want to stay anonymous.  No report is too frivolous for a mod to check out, and even the smallest concern may have merit.  The OPs are training and adding to their numbers to be more effective, so don't be afraid to call when something happens.  What kills on certain cases and makes them difficult is when people want to turn something into a public spectacle.  Don't.  Report it and nip it in the bud right there.

    What suggestions do you have for how to avoid similar cases in the future?
    For the earlier incidents, as I said an open forum to discuss grievances can help.  When someone feels like their viewpoint, their opinion on something doesn't matter...when they feel ignored, that's where the anger comes in.  When someone feels like they're being shut down in those areas, that's when they can lose faith.  After all, why stick around in a region that claims to be open if people don't feel like their opinions matter?    That is what we have to work on...making sure people don't feel that way.  We have to let people know that, even if we may not agree with their opinion that it is still valid.  As long as it isn't advocating violence, opinions and views should always be respected whether we agree or not, and we should be able to practice that which we preach.

    As far as the Shadow case, we are currently working on a solution to nip future cases in the bud.  In short form, all NSFW content and the like will be banned outside of the NSFW area and will be dealt with swiftly, including posting any known sexual content and potentially extending to even referencing sexual content in any form.  It's a work in progress but with the more minors we've been getting on the server, we're absolutely tighting regulations on that front.

    What do you think about the level of integration between the forums and the server?
    It needs a bit of work, unfortunately.  I know people on the forums who don't use Discord, and I know many people on the Discord who probably aren't even fully aware of the forums outside of them posting their Citizenship app.

    Do you use one exclusively over the other? If so, why?
    I try to go between both, but I do admittedly use Discord more because it's quicker responses, and it's just more convenient when you're on mobile.

    Do you believe the level of integration between the two is adequate? If not, what suggestions would you make to improve it?
    I think it could be better, but I couldnt begin to think of specific ways to improve it that we havent already tried (Discord Werewolf, Karaoke night) or already currently do (link to important topics or upcoming events in announcements).

    Anything else that wasn't covered in the above questions?

    Nope, that's about it.  Wintreath has quite the journey to go to be at the place we want it to be...but I have no doubt we'll get there if we try and work hard to improve ourselves.
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  • Are you a current or former citizen? If former, why?
    I am the State.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of your fellow citizens?
    "it's my hope that Wintreath will not be a political region, but a cooperative region, where people of all sorts of experiences and ideas and beliefs can come together and make a region and a community that we can all proudly call home. I hope that we foster a community that puts the region before political ambitions, but I also hope that we recognize that every person here from myself to the newest Citizen deserves the best damn experience they can get out of this region. I hope that if anyone ever feels excluded, lost, or confused that they will at least know who to go to to get them back on track. Most of all, I hope that we can become and remain a community of friends that we enjoy being a part of. That may sound naive, but I honestly believe that if we all work at it we can accomplish this."
    -Wintermoot, A Community Vision, November 15th, 2013

    A community of friends. More than anything, I wish that everybody would remember that no matter who they are, what they believe, or what they have done in the past, the people in our community are our friends, region-mates, and comrades, and that we treat them as such at all times, even if we may feel frustrated, annoyed, stressed, or upset at them sometimes. Our region was founded on the principles of openness, personability, warmth, compassion, empathy, and forgiveness, and if we embrace those principles and apply them to our dealings with each other, I know that we will restore our great community.

    I am still coming to grips with my own failures to uphold these principles in regards to Mars, German, and especially North and AJ, but I have made the decision to re-embrace them and try to remember them in what I do here, and I hope that others will too.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Monarch?
    The Monarch is the head of state and executive of the Wintrean government, responsible for for advancing and growing the region. I should note that this is separate from my role as Founder, in which I'm the final guardian and guaranteer of the region's principles and values, responsible for the region's official platforms, as well as the final authority on administrative out-of-character issues.

    Do these differ from your expectations of Wintermoot's personal conduct and responsibilities? If so, why?
    For what it's worth, on a personal level I've always hoped that I would be known as a hardworking, fair, and honest leader, who has done his best to be a good friend to those that wanted it. I have made mistakes, but for what it's worth, they have never stemmed from malicious intent. I have always had good intentions, even when I've been wrong and fucked up incredibly.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Cabinet?
    The Cabinet is supposed to help me in my role as Monarch, by taking on the details of specific portfolios in a way that I, as one person, cannot. It also serves as an advisory body, and often discusses ideas for growing the region, improving various aspects of it, and overcoming regional crises.

    How do these expectations differ for the Underhusen?
    The Underhusen is the portion of government that I have the least connection with, as their role is to represent the Citizens of Wintreath. Together with the Overhusen, they have exclusive control over Citizenship policy, declarations of war, and the adoptions of treaties. They have shared or parallel control with the Monarchy over such things as persona non grata declarations and the court/appeals system.

    The Overhusen?
    Ditto for the Overhusen, except that they are appointed and represent me in the regional legislature.

    Thanes?
    Thanes are part of the Cabinet as part of a Ministry, and they're supposed to tackle even more specific portfolios that the Jarl of the Ministry couldn't do on their own.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Discord Operators?
    To be fair and honest above all. To be community mediators and peacekeepers when needed, to nudge people away from continuing conflicts in the Discord when they have to, and to dole out punishment for violation of the administrative rules when necessary.

    Are you aware of who the current Operators are? If not, why?
    As I approved each of them at one time or another, I certainly hope I do. :P

    Are you aware of how Operators are selected and added? If so, what are your opinions on the current system?
    By tradition, operators are added by agreement between myself and the senior op, but this is not an actual rule, and I recently appointed CoS and AJ on my own.

    In general, ops are considered based on their temperament and ability to wade into stressful or emotional situations while remaining calm, level-headed, and objective. Any person who has recently received an official warning for violating the rules is disqualified, though there's no hard definition on what "recently" means. Beyond that, I consider whether they have special experience and skills, such as experience with moderation, Discord, or conflict-resolution.

    Do you have any suggestions for how to improve the current system?
    I do not. Going off of what I read in Pengu's post, I would be very concerned that having a community poll would turn the selection of ops into a popularity contest, especially bad for a position that may call for ops to make very unpopular decisions. However, I am open to giving more people who are pillars of the community input into the process before the decision is made.

    Do you distinguish between Discord Operators and other government officials? If not, why?
    The government runs the "in-character" aspects of our role as a NationStates region, such as regional law, interactions with other NationStates regions, and organizing the community in ways that everyone agrees is for the common good (the Ministry of Culture runs entirely on this last concept, as it has no actual power over regional culture). The Discord ops team, as part of administration, is tasked with the "out-of-character" handling of the community, such as making sure the administrative rules are up to snuff, getting involved when things get too heated in the community, and considering punishments when someone has crossed the line and broken a rule.

    I will admit that there have been times where this has blurred, especially in several cases where the Cabinet has discussed and made judgement in ongoing administrative matters. I think this comes from a time when the ops team was inactive and in many ways the Cabinet was the only active and effective group body in the region. However, I do not consider this to be appropriate and will not be allowing it to continue, especially now that we have an active ops team. It's not a reflection of the people in the Cabinet, who are great, it's just that Cabinet has its roles and the ops team has its role, and those two roles shouldn't overlap.

    Do you believe the recent cases have been handled appropriately? Why or why not?
    Of course not. I will say that the ops team had good intentions in all its attempts to deal with situations, but I will also admit that it's possible that the ops team has been aloof in its considerations. Many of the ops were appointed during earlier eras of the region where, quite frankly, community standards were much more lax, there was little in the way of community conflict, and there wasn't much need seen for moderation. Believe it or not, we once went through a period of years without so much as a warning given out. I believe that adding in new ops with a fresher perspective will probably go a long way to resolving this issue.

    Beyond that, the failures of the team as a whole are a microcosm of my own failures. It's not that they should have known better from personal experience and close friendship with the people who left in the way I should have, but nonetheless they forgot that in many cases we were talking about people who had been pillars of the community for years, and we all wrongly let suspicion and perhaps insecurity cloud our judgement and handling of the situation. If we're being honest, they were probably influenced by me more than anything.

    For what its worth, I think that if we were dealing with people who were newer to the region or that none of us knew personally, our suspicions would have been at least more justifiable. But when it comes to dealing with people who have been our friends and pillars of the community for a long time...I think we just need to remember that and do all we can to try to come together with them. Even if something looks suspicions, for all they have done and been to the region, they deserve the benefit of the doubt, the chance to address the things we see as suspect, and the opportunity to come together with us to work things out without being cast under suspicion.

    I know that sounds unfair, and it is, but in a community of friends what sense does it make in this sort of region to treat people who have been beloved pillars of the community the same way as people the community doesn't know? For a long time after they left, I was actually proud our handling of the situation in a way, because I felt that we had not allowed the fact that they were our friends influence us, that we had put the region before our friendships...but it was never an either/or situation, and now I consider the fact that we didn't consider the fact that they were friends...as what went so horribly wrong with it all.

    What suggestions do you have to improve the handling of similar cases in the future?
    I think I went into some of it above.

    What suggestions do you have for how to avoid similar cases in the future?
    You know...recently I've come to think that maybe grievances against the ops team should be aired out in a public setting where everyone lays their cards on the table rather than handled behind the scenes.

    I think a lot of why things got so bad in November is because there was so much secrecy involved. I know North absolutely had the best intentions in his communications with me and how I treated him in response is horrific, but because he was in a situation where he couldn't tell me who was so unhappy with the ops team, and we couldn't find any evidence of it ourselves, it created room for suspicion. And I suspect that because my only direct communication with him about it was shooting down his ideas for new ops and telling him that there was nobody qualified to be an op at the time (which I admit was a terrible choice of words on top of everything), it created the suspicion with them that we just didn't care about their concerns or opinions, which I'm sure was very hurtful for them to think. By the time we actually came together during the Weekly Meeting, it was far too late. Our groups had become echo chambers, where our suspicions festered into resentment and mistrust, and by that time we all pretty much completely believed the other group was acting in bad faith. I don't think there was any chance of things ending well at that point.

    On the other hand, look at what happened last Saturday night. Through some miraculous series of events, we managed to come together while the new grievances were still fresh and before a new wave a resentment had festered permanently. It was a tough discussion, but you can't say we held anything back, and the presence of more objective and uninvolved members like Aragonn helped to eventually moderate the discussion to calmer levels. In the end, not only did we resolve the current issue on the table, in less than an hour we exposed someone who had been spending the last four or five months masterfully manipulating and playing everyone into hating each other. Someone who preyed on the fact that we had retreated to our private echo chambers and weren't talking to each other anymore. And it was only possible because we came out of our private groups, DMs, and servers, laid it all on the table, and eventually came back together.

    You can't argue that the results are much better than what we tried in November.

    What do you think about the level of integration between the forums and the server?
    I used to think that we needed to get everyone to join the forums and the Discord, but in recent months I've come to realize that the two platforms offer different experiences and that it's not necessarily wrong to just participate on one or the other (or on the RMB). As I told someone a few weeks back:

    "we have the Discord chat server, the forums, and of course this region page, and each platform has its own flavour. Discord is where we have most of our casual and personal chats...it's where we tend to get to know each other and make friends, and it's also where the regional Cabinet discusses matters that require timely discussion. The forums are essentially the seat of our regional government, where legislation is proposed and discussed, elections happen, and appointments are announced. It's also where we have our forum games, such as Werewolf, Spyfall, and even a few that we've developed ourselves such as Clickwar and Mage Wars, and there's an area for roleplaying as well, though I have to admit it hasn't been doing so hot. Then there's this region page where we're at now, where discussions trend toward NationStates and national affairs."

    I think more important than integrating people into any one specific platform is making sure that they understand what our community is about and what they can do here. When we have discussed the matter in the Cabinet, it's become very clear that there are even people who have been here for a long time who don't understand how the government works or how to interact with it, much less how to actually join it. People have some vague idea of what they can do here from our recruitment telegram, but it's not very clear how they can get involved once they're here. Historically, our most successful Wintreans actually tend to be those who came from other regions and already have some sense of how to get involved from their previous experiences, further evidence that we're not doing a good job of getting native Wintreans involved. And I believe we have done a poor job of instilling our community principles into the newer generations of Wintreans, which I feel is a contributing factor to some of these issues.

    Do you use one exclusively over the other? If so, why?
    I try to use both daily, but if push comes to shove Discord will win out cause of the casual conversation aspect.

    Do you believe the level of integration between the two is adequate? If not, what suggestions would you make to improve it?
    Again, I don't know that it's a big deal if someone wants to only be on one or the other, but we do need to make sure people understand the differences and benefits of each platform, and we need to make it easier for people to link their Discord account so they can get Citizen masking. There is a need for them to register on the forums and apply for Citizenship if they want that, but otherwise I don't think there's a need to do more if they don't want to. I think the true integration issue is making people aware of how they can get involved in the things that they want to, on any platform that it's taking place on.

    Anything else that wasn't covered in the above questions?
    Nothing that comes to mind, but I'll give it some more thought and let you know.
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  • Are you a current or former citizen? If former, why?
    Current.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of your fellow citizens?
    People should be nice to one another.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Monarch?
    The Monarch reigns, and leads. As for specifics, in Wintreath, with Wintermoot as the sole Monarch, I think the expectations I have are informed by the actual conduct of Wintermoot.

    I think people underestimate how vital Wintermoot is the functioning of Wintreath. Without him, the new members would stop rolling in (because he is the only one sending recruitment TGs), the website would stop working, issues would not be brought together to be addressed. He is a linchpin of this community, his bus factor is high, and I think that cannot be overstated enough.

    Do these differ from your expectations of Wintermoot's personal conduct and responsibilities? If so, why?
    Wintermoot does make mistakes, and I try to point them out when I think he does (big or small). In most aspects, I think he goes above and beyond what would be expected for an NS head of state, or admin (though I will note that this question asks specifically about the Monarch, not the Winter Nomad, and although Wintermoot holds both positions I think it is important to keep the IC and administrative positions distinct).

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Cabinet?
    The Riksrad helps advise the Monarch and helps run non-administrative affairs in Wintreath. This includes cultural activities and games, NS stuff, etc. They should ideally do their stated job description. The Cabinet does not have administrative power, and members should not act like they are a part of Administration, whether publicly or privately.

    How do these expectations differ for the Underhusen?
    The Underhusen writes (largely IC) laws. I think the Storting and Riskrad are both in many ways IC/RP institutions, though the UH more so because their power is generally farther removed from the actual community (except for citizenship law, which by custom ends up governing a few things administratively). In general though, like the Riskrad, the UH is fairly far removed from Administration, though generally more so.

    The Overhusen?
    The OH should represent the Monarch in the Storting and act as a sanity check on the actions of the UH.

    Thanes?
    Same as the rest of the Cabinet.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Discord Operators?
    The Operators exist to maintain peace in the community. They should intervene to keep the community well-moderated. They need to be able to make both swift and well-informed decisions, and should also be approachable by the community so that they can maintain peace.

    Are you aware of who the current Operators are? If not, why?
    Yes.

    Are you aware of how Operators are selected and added? If so, what are your opinions on the current system?
    Wintermoot has said that he consults with the other Ops. I do not know if any formalized system is in place, though I don't think one is particularly necessary.

    Do you have any suggestions for how to improve the current system?
    No.

    Do you distinguish between Discord Operators and other government officials? If not, why?
    Ops are not government officials. Government officials are not Ops. End of discussion.

    Pengu made a Discord/forum distinction which I think is wrong. Most government activity occurs on the Discord now, and clearly the operators have some level of forum administrative sway, considering that CoS announced the recent (largely reversed) bans on the forum, and some of the punishments were solely forum bans. I agree with the distinction that Wintermoot makes. (I do think it's okay for the Cabinet occasionally to discuss administrative matters though, as long as they understand that such discussions are literally no different from any other ordinary Wintreans talking about such matters in a private chat, and that they do not speak for Wintreath Administration whenever they go publicly about it.)

    Do you believe the recent cases have been handled appropriately? Why or why not?
    Not really. Good points have already been made.

    What suggestions do you have to improve the handling of similar cases in the future?
    Again, good points have already been made. What I will say is that the Administration needs to be clear and consistent with the enforcement of rules and its expectations and standards for the community. I am somewhat concerned to see that one of the takeaways Wintermoot seems to be having (based on a couple recent forum posts) is that friends should be given more administrative benefit of the doubt than non-friends. I find this rather strange; I think that even were they not friends, these people should not have been treated the way they had been. This goodwill and trust should be extended consistently. I was never close to Gatto (whereas I am sure many others had been in the past), for instance, and yet I found myself defending him based on the information that I had. I think the Operators do need to be able to take a step back and be objective regardless of friendships, but the right way to do that is not by reading nonexistent malicious intent regardless of friendships.

    What suggestions do you have for how to avoid similar cases in the future?
    I think my above point about needing to establish clear community expectations holds true for avoiding cases as well. The Administration needs to be clear and consistent on what sorts of things it allows/encourages the community to handle itself, and what sorts of things must be reported and are thus met with a swift response. Creating these expectations can encourage the sort of community behavior that we want.

    Furthermore, I think a singular focus on punishment for reported infractions might not be the best way to go about things. Oftentimes, discussing things out as a community (or between wronged and accused) is best, without punitive intervention by an authority. But to get to that point requires establishing expectations for such behavior, and I think the Ops could definitely facilitate mediation for restorative justice measures.

    What do you think about the level of integration between the forums and the server?
    They are connected but the communities are not the same.

    Do you use one exclusively over the other? If so, why?
    I generally favor the forums, though if there is no forum thread present and I don't see the need to create one, I will end up posting to the relevant Discord channel. I always use Discord DMs over Wintreath PMs though.

    Do you believe the level of integration between the two is adequate? If not, what suggestions would you make to improve it?
    I think the level of integration is decent. Making the forums more accessible (better mobile-responsiveness, for instance), may help, but I don't know if such things would necessarily change very much.

    Anything else that wasn't covered in the above questions?
    No.

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    Résumé
    Wintreath:
    Citizen: 8 April 2015 - present
    From the Ashes RP Game Master: 29 November 2015 - 24 July 2018
    Skydande Vakt Marshal: 29 November 2015 - 28 February 2017
    Skrifa of the 13th Underhusen: 13 December 2015 - 8 February 2016
    RP Guild Councillor: 9 February 2016 - 6 March 2018
    Ambassador to Lovely: 23 February 2016 - 17 August 2016
    Werewolf VII co-host: 11 May 2016 - 5 June 2016
    Skrifa of the 18th Underhusen: 8 October 2016 - 7 December 2016
    Ambassador to Balder: 1 December 2016 - 1 March 2022
    Skrifa of the 19th Underhusen: 7 December 2016 - 9 February 2017
    Ambassador to the INWU: 11 March 2017 - 1 March 2022
    Ambassador to the Versutian Federation: 18 August 2017 - 22 March 2018
    Thane of Integration: 29 September 2017 - 7 March 2018
    Speaker of the 24th Underhusen: 10 October 2017 - 7 December 2017
    October 2017 Wintreath's Finest: 4 November 2017
    Speaker pro tempore of the 25th Underhusen: 9 December 2017 - 7 February 2018
    Wintreath's Finest of 2017: 6 January 2018
    Werewolf XIV host: 20 January 2018 - 23 February 2018
    February 2018 Wintreath's Finest: 5 March 2018
    Thane of Embassy Dispatches / Foreign Releases and Information / Foreign Dispatches: 7 March 2018 - 15 March 2020
    Speaker of the 28th Underhusen: 10 June 2018 - 7 August 2018
    Second Patriarch of the Noble House of Valeria: 10 October 2018 - present
    Arena Game 6 Host: 28 December 2018 - 9 March 2019
    Librarian of the Underhusen: 29 January 2019 - 12 February 2019
    Speaker of the 32nd Underhusen: 12 February 2019 - 8 April 2019
    March 2019 Wintreath's Finest: 4 April 2019
    Librarian of the Underhusen: 12 April 2019 - 23 October 2020
    Commendation of Wintreath: 24 September 2020
    Peer of the Overhusen: 9 December 2020 - 8 February 2021
    Vice Chancellor of the Landsraad: 26 May 2021 - 15 September 2022
    Arena Game 8 Host: 10 June 2021 - 19 July 2021
    June 2021 Wintreath's Finest: 5 July 2021
    Regional Stability Squad: 28 February 2023 - present
    Minecraft Server Admin: 8 March 2023 - present

    Aura Hyperia/New Hyperion:
    Plebeian: 16 April 2014 - 21 July 2014
    Patrician: 21 July 2014 - present
    Adeptus Mechanicus: 24 October 2014 - 16 November 2014
    Co-founder of New Hyperion: 29 October 2014 - present
    Lord of Propaganda: 16 November 2014 - present
    Mapmaker for Official Region RP: 27 November 2015 - present
    WACom Delegate: 11 November 2017 - present
    Other positions: Hyperian Guardsman, Hyperian Marine (Rank: Scout)
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  • Are you a current or former citizen? If former, why?
    Current

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of your fellow citizens?
    I expect my fellow citizens to be civil when discussing anything controversial, and also diligent when trying to find answers to their questions about their region. However, I also expect them to assist newer citizens in need.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Monarch?
    I expect the monarch to be benevolent and competent, both of which have held true in my opinion.


    Do these differ from your expectations of Wintermoot's personal conduct and responsibilities? If so, why?
    They do not.


    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Cabinet?
    I expect the cabinet to be at least somewhat active, and also to put the members of our region, citizen or not, before all else.

    How do these expectations differ for the Underhusen?
    They don't.


    The Overhusen?
    They don't.


    Thanes?
    That's part of the cabinet.


    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Discord Operators?
    I expect discord operators to not lose their cool in public or when handling a difficult situation, and I trust them to be fair (educated) yet firm (swift and united) in their actions.


    Are you aware of who the current Operators are? If not, why?
    I know of HannahB, AJ, Pengu, Wuufu, Nox, and CoS. Those are the ones I've seen active or I've had personal interactions with. If there are any others, I haven't seen them around.


    Are you aware of how Operators are selected and added? If so, what are your opinions on the current system?
    Interestingly, I'm not at all aware of how Operators are selected.

    Do you have any suggestions for how to improve the current system?
    see above


    Do you distinguish between Discord Operators and other government officials? If not, why?
    In some ways, yes. Operators are meant to deal with more OOC interactions and events, whereas other government officials are almost purely IC.


    Do you believe the recent cases have been handled appropriately? Why or why not?
    They could have been handled better. As I said before, I think the ops team needs to act fairly but firmly, and I feel that neither have been the case until the past week or so. The ShadowX controversy was handled too lightly, as was the Chanku outburst controversy in October(?) (sorry Chanku, don't mean to throw you under the bus like that). The forum destruction threat, conversely, was handled too rashly and hastily, and as a result innocent people were punished.

    Now, I will admit, the community plays a role in this too. We need to stop becoming an angry mob when someone is accused of an OOC crime especially if we ourselves haven't seen the evidence or know fully the nature of the infraction, and part of me is afraid that the ops team is susceptible to this phenomenon as well.


    What suggestions do you have to improve the handling of similar cases in the future?
    see above


    What suggestions do you have for how to avoid similar cases in the future?
    see above


    What do you think about the level of integration between the forums and the server?
    I think the level of integration is acceptable. I see plenty of people on the RMB that are not on either the forums nor the server, but far fewer that are part of the forums but not the server or vice versa.


    Do you use one exclusively over the other? If so, why?
    If anything I use the discord server more, but that's because the forums are inherently slower.


    Do you believe the level of integration between the two is adequate? If not, what suggestions would you make to improve it?
    see 2 above


    Anything else that wasn't covered in the above questions?
    none that I can think of
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      • Fmr. Officer of Information in the 29th-34th Sessions of the Underhusen
      • Fmr. Speaker Pro Tempore in the 33rd Underhusen
      • Fmr. Thane of Integration
      • Fmr. Thane of Embassies

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  • Are you a current or former citizen? If former, why?
    Both? I'm not quite sure.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of your fellow citizens?
    Quite minimal expectations I think. Try to be fairly chill and that's about it.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Monarch?
    To enforce the community's rules is an even-handed manner, and to abide by them themselves.

    Do these differ from your expectations of Wintermoot's personal conduct and responsibilities? If so, why?
    I have a hard time separating the person from the office in this case, so no.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Cabinet?
    To fulfil their roles as diligently as their real life will permit, and to be active in the community and as chill as the rest of us.

    How do these expectations differ for the Underhusen?
    They don't.

    The Overhusen?
    Likewise.

    Thanes?
    Same.

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Discord Operators?
    Enforce the rules even-handedly and abide by them as well.

    Are you aware of who the current Operators are? If not, why?
    No and I don't use the discord much.

    Are you aware of how Operators are selected and added? If so, what are your opinions on the current system?
    No.

    Do you have any suggestions for how to improve the current system?
    No.

    Do you distinguish between Discord Operators and other government officials? If not, why?
    No, they all have functions to perform and they're accountable to the Monarch in the same way as the executive if they don't do a good job.

    Do you believe the recent cases have been handled appropriately? Why or why not?
    idk

    What suggestions do you have to improve the handling of similar cases in the future?
    idk

    What suggestions do you have for how to avoid similar cases in the future?
    idk

    What do you think about the level of integration between the forums and the server?
    It's solid

    Do you use one exclusively over the other? If so, why?
    No

    Do you believe the level of integration between the two is adequate? If not, what suggestions would you make to improve it?
    Yes

    Anything else that wasn't covered in the above questions?
    No
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  • Are you a current or former citizen? If former, why?
    Current

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of your fellow citizens?
    Maintain the relaxed and casual environment in Wintreath, which includes being averse to any form of toxic behaviour (i.e. overt aggression, excessive politicization, duplicity, harassment)

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Monarch?
    Uphold and promote the values of Wintreath, maintain the forum and discord

    Do these differ from your expectations of Wintermoot's personal conduct and responsibilities? If so, why?
    Nope, I have always viewed “Monarch” as the equivalent of “Wintermoot” and “Founder”

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Cabinet?
    Contribute actively to the aspect of Wintreath their respective offices are in charge of

    How do these expectations differ for the Underhusen?
    Similar in terms of active contribution, different in terms of the area they are in charge of (in this case, the Underhusen is in charge of implementing legislation)

    The Overhusen?
    Representative of the Monarch’s perspective towards legislation suggested by the Underhusen

    Thanes?
    Thanes are part of the Cabinet so …

    What expectations of conduct and responsibility do you have of the Discord Operators?
    Resolve conflicts and enforce the rules that have been put in place for Discord behaviour

    Are you aware of who the current Operators are? If not, why?
    Do not have the entire list, never had to contact the Ops

    Are you aware of how Operators are selected and added? If so, what are your opinions on the current system?
    Nope due to indifference

    Do you have any suggestions for how to improve the current system?
    Nope

    Do you distinguish between Discord Operators and other government officials? If not, why?
    Yep, because they are ultimately in charge of different areas and have different roles.

    Do you believe the recent cases have been handled appropriately? Why or why not?
    I do not have the full picture so no comments

    What suggestions do you have to improve the handling of similar cases in the future?
    Above

    What suggestions do you have for how to avoid similar cases in the future?
    Above

    What do you think about the level of integration between the forums and the server?
    There is integration?

    Do you use one exclusively over the other? If so, why?
    Not really, though lately I have been using Discord more frequently since it is the platform for chatting and I have not found a way to jump back to Wintrean forum activity after being inactive for around a year (I think?)

    Do you believe the level of integration between the two is adequate? If not, what suggestions would you make to improve it?
    Is there truly a need for integration? 

    Anything else that wasn't covered in the above questions?
    Nope
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