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Werewolf XVIII: Wintreath's Got Talent! - Champions Edition
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  • You voting for me and Doc voting for Lau was almost certain to cause a tie between the two of us. So when one of us was lynched the other could escape suspicion.
    Doc voted for Lau, so he had one vote. You already had one vote before Ruguo voted for you. So they didn’t cause a tie in any way.

    And I’m not sure what you mean by “So when one of us was lynched the other could escape suspicion.” How does the other escape suspicion, and what does this have to do with the intentions of the saboteurs?

    (Also, please bold your votes, North)
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  • Now that I look back through it, the “one escaping suspicion” thing makes sense given the beef between North and Lau
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  • Ok so now I see; it did cause a tie because North had to vote for Lau in self preservation. I still fail to see what this has to do with the goals of the saboteurs. Why would they want a tie, and why would they want one of you two to be clear of suspicion? Unless one of you two are saboteurs; then it almost makes sense...
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  • I think we might be reading too much into what is most easily explained as a beginner's mistake.

    I must say I find it odd how quickly Ruguo's reasoning has improved, though. It does feel a bit like he's getting help.

    This is probably going to cause my downfall, but I really don't like the idea of immediately going for Doc. I'd like to think that he really hasn't rolled Wolf for once.
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  • I didn't think anyone was suggesting we go after Doc? Unless I'm missing something here.

    This is not the most related item, but please use either they/them or she/her pronouns when referring to me. I'm a demigirl, and for some reason it still really hurts when people call me by he/his pronouns.
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  • Strange that they would have gone for Kane. Unless they were assuming he was a power role trying to stay under the radar. I still think a Doc-Ruguo axis is a possibility. Their actions in the last round was a bit to co-ordinated in my view. As such, I will vote for Ruguo but I will be willing to change my vote if a convincing argument presents itself.

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  • Ah. I read that as North thought Doc and I might be working together, but didn't vote for Doc. But I get how it could sound like Doc is the next/also a possible target.

    Though I really think Doc isn't a wolf. I thought that him being a wolf at first was the whole reason for said reshuffle.
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  • I dunno, that's quite the assumption that that's the reason for the reshuffle.
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  • Can someone please tell me where this reshuffled thread is? I have no idea what's going on, and I can't find it anywhere.
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  • At the start of the game some of the roles where re-shuffled.
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  • Can someone please tell me where this reshuffled thread is? I have no idea what's going on, and I can't find it anywhere.
    When Pengu originally sent out the PMs that said peoples' roles, some people got a PM that said their role. Then, Pengu made some mistake and resent the PMs with new roles. There's no thread for it.

    You voting for me and Doc voting for Lau was almost certain to cause a tie between the two of us. So when one of us was lynched the other could escape suspicion.
    So in the italicized sentence, "one of us" refers to either you or Lau? And "the other" is also either you or Lau?

    Not one of us, one of them.
    I have no idea what this is referring to.

    Ok so now I see; it did cause a tie because North had to vote for Lau in self preservation. I still fail to see what this has to do with the goals of the saboteurs. Why would they want a tie, and why would they want one of you two to be clear of suspicion? Unless one of you two are saboteurs; then it almost makes sense...
    I still don't have an answer to this, unless I missed something.

    (basically, I'm just confused about the past few posts)
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    Oh well.  Good luck everyone.  I have an idea as to why I was chosen though I would call that more dumb luck than anything else.  At least I wasn't playing y'all this time.
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    Now tell me.  What do you see?
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  • Can someone please tell me where this reshuffled thread is? I have no idea what's going on, and I can't find it anywhere.
    When Pengu originally sent out the PMs that said peoples' roles, some people got a PM that said their role. Then, Pengu made some mistake and resent the PMs with new roles. There's no thread for it.

    You voting for me and Doc voting for Lau was almost certain to cause a tie between the two of us. So when one of us was lynched the other could escape suspicion.
    So in the italicized sentence, "one of us" refers to either you or Lau? And "the other" is also either you or Lau?

    Not one of us, one of them.
    I have no idea what this is referring to.

    Ok so now I see; it did cause a tie because North had to vote for Lau in self preservation. I still fail to see what this has to do with the goals of the saboteurs. Why would they want a tie, and why would they want one of you two to be clear of suspicion? Unless one of you two are saboteurs; then it almost makes sense...
    I still don't have an answer to this, unless I missed something.

    (basically, I'm just confused about the past few posts)

    In the italicized part, 'One of us' refers to Lau and me and 'the other' was supposed to be the one who voted for the other fellow. I see now I was unclear. When either Lau or I died from the tie, the natural response might be to suspect those that voted for us. But if the wolves split their vote then whoever voted for the one who died might be suspected but the one who voted for the one who lived would not be suspected.
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  • You see, I had convinced myself that because North and I were both wolves before the reshuffle, that at least one of us was going to end up being a wolf again.
    Wait, you were also a wolf the first time round?
    I shouldn't have deleted that PM from Pengu, this is useful metaknowledge.
    An argument might be made that statistically, one of us is likely to be a wolf, but then again so would any other randomly-chosen group of three from the 11 still in the game, so in that sense: not useful.
    In the sense that the one thing I recall from that abortive PM chain before I deleted it (idiocy!) is that North bothered replying to it, suggesting intense activity that isn't consistent with his previous gameplay, and which he's kept up till now? Makes me marginally less suspicious of him than I would otherwise be without that PM chain, because it no longer appears completely out of character.
    (Also, please bold your votes, North)
    A reminder to everyone that this isn't even a 'please': rule 4 says 'all votes must be in bold or they will not count' (emphasis mine). Bold your votes, y'all!
    On to role analysis.
    There's 1 Magician, 2 Scouts, 1 Blunderer, 3 Saboteurs, 1 Sab Leader, and 3 Contestants left. Now that I'm looking at it Seriously, 1 less Saboteur (and one more Contestant) would probably be fairer (since at the moment it seems pretty heavily stacked in favor of the wolves), but it's a bit late for that.
    Something I want/need to know, Pengu, is: what is the Blunderer's win condition? Is he scum-aligned, does he have some sort of special win condition, or does he just count as whichever the winning side is as long as he survives? If the first, then...we're pretty fucked since we lose tonight unless we lynch scum (since it will be 5-5 with good chances the scum night-kill one of us), but in the latter two cases then we've got a good chance. Also, I'd also like to know whether the Blunderer role affects Magician/Leader Scenarios, or it only affects powers.
    (I'm going to observe for people who are now thinking 'is Doc the Blunderer, those are suspiciously specific questions?' that if I was, I'd have asked Pengu these questions in the PM we'd presumably share, and not out in the open. More fool me for not paying more attention to the roles earlier and asking them day one, but oh well, can't change the past.)

    Laurentus, you've claimed defender. Were you the one knocked out (by a bit of sausage from craft services no less, which must be an embarrassing story, but seeing as how there's coins getting in the dip clearly that whole department needs to be fired), or was it the other guy?

    Lastly - some Quick Maffs in my head says it might actually make sense for whoever the Magician is to claim it, since they're immune to sabotage for one round, and can subsequently be defended in alternating turns by the Scouts. Or, hell, defended now and saving that lucky-coin-immunity for the future even.
    Particularly since it would generate some delicious WIFOM for the saboteurs - 'will he be defended tonight (thus it would be a waste to target him), or will his Troupe gamble on him being protected by the coin to try and keep someone else safe (making it a good move either to target him to burn through his shield, or at least to not-target someone on the second-tier list of targets since they may be being defended)'?

    Final observation:
    Ruguo, North, Mathy, and Laurentus have been quite active.
    Those who have not: Tau, Gerrick, Hydra, PJ, Gabrielle, David. (I leave myself out of both lists because while I haven't posted all that much in terms of post count, this is a fairly dense post, and more importantly obviously I want everyone to give me the benefit of the doubt and so I'm giving it to myself (tertiary reason: must defend my post:karma ratio, low-density posts get less karma and are thus death)).
    The latter three are new, and so I have little in the way of past knowledge to read from them. But in my experience, when Hydra is quiet, he's trying (and quite generally succeeding) to fly under the radar. That makes me think scum.

    Seeing as there's 17 hours left and no legal votes on the table (I'm discounting North's vote for Ruguo because, again, bold your votes, people, it's in the rules), that seems like we might wind up with a random result. I don't like that idea, obviously, since that gives me 9% odds of death, which is Too High.
    Thus, I'm going to trust in the heart of the cards and Vote: Hydra.
    Caveat: I'm getting some weirdly scummy vibes from Ruguo, because he's not retaliated against North in the expected interests of self-preservation one might expect (which then creates the meta-question of - oh my god are they both wolves and North is bussing Ruguo?) (which is like two whole layers of conspiratorial lunacy deep), but on the other hand since North's vote is also not legal, he may simply be avoiding the tragic MAD situation of both parties digging in, instead of switching their votes. I'm tentatively willing to board that wagon should someone provide some decent evidence to back up my honestly super-shaky reasoning there, but absent that I'll happily stick to my guns here.
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