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Werewolf XVIII: Wintreath's Got Talent! - Champions Edition
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    And I realize my post about the non-voting sounded a bit vague when I mentioned a consequence.

    Basically what I mean is that it's your best interest to vote, since no lynch votes will not be counted in the total.  if nobody picks a person, someone will be chosen at random.  If there are votes but NO LYNCH is the majority, the person below that with the most votes will be booted.
    This seems like a very convoluted way of saying that no lynch votes aren't allowed and will be instead taken as non-votes, which are allowed.

    I mean, it is.  It's basically saying that you're allowed to not vote, and that choosing not to lynch is just going to be taken in the same way as choosing not to vote entirely.  But it's also saying that if you choose either option, then either way someone will still be booted each night.  It's just up to whether or not you want to make sure you get a say in potentially saving someone that you personally see as innocent (or condemning someone you see as guilty), or just leaving things in the hands of random selection or to your fellow contestants.
    Maybe just say that No Lynch votes don't exist in this game, if that's what you mean? :P

    Saying anything more than that, I think, creates more confusion by implying that No Lynch votes do exist, which they do not.

    (And I find it surprising that you've prepared for the incredibly unlikely possibility that literally nobody votes for anyone, but I suppose you can cover that edge case, even if doing so creates confusion about the rules.)

    I also don't really see the logic behind there being "consequences" if you don't vote. If we're taking a page from Mafia Universe/Championships rules and playstyle here in allowing not voting, we can see that some people in Laurentus' game absolutely do seem to actively influence the game without voting at all; not voting doesn't necessarily mean that you don't have a say in the conversation.

    Fair enough on both accounts.  Considering there's usually an inactivity rule, I figured this would be a more lax type of rule saying "Sure, you can choose not to vote or to vote no lynch, it just won't be counted, and if nobody votes, someone still gets booted."

    You just have to remember that I generally explain things in a confusing way sometimes, even if it makes sense to me (which I'm clearly biased since I'm the one explaining it).

    There is definitely logic in either side of the debate, really.  Sure, you can absolutely influence the game just by talking away and not actually expressing a defining vote against someone, I won't argue that.  And that's why in this game, I'm not saying that you have to vote, because you certainly can choose to not vote at all or to vote not to lynch anyone (which will be the same as not voting in this specific game).  That's why there's no inactivity rule or me saying "not voting counts as inactivity" even if you talk up a storm.

    What I am saying, however, is that "No Lynch" votes will get tossed out as non-votes, and if everyone doesn't vote, there will be consequences in that someone will still get booted because, as I stated in the rules for both this and the previous WgT game:

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    5) Since we can't have a show without a performer, there must ALWAYS be someone chosen to go up on stage.

    The only difference this time is that you won't get an inactive penalty for not voting, it just can't be that No Lynch/No Vote is the majority choice or the only choice since it won't count towards the tally:

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    5) A show can't go on without a performer, but we here at the studio do understand stage fright.  While you're not individually required to vote someone to perform, No Lynch votes may not hit a majority.   If No Lynch hits a majority and no other suggestions have been made, someone will be chosen at random.

    But I will rewrite that rule a bit to make it sound less convoluted/confusing.
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  • Alright, the rules have been edited to sound a bit less convoluted, and I added a rule about inactivity (in that there isn't one) just to clarify that the "consequence" isn't mean to punish individuals who choose not to vote...but is just saying that not voting/voting not to lynch won't be counted in the total.

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    5) A show can't go on without a performer, but we here at the studio do understand stage fright.  While you're not individually required to vote someone to perform, No Lynch votes in this game are considered the same as not voting, and will not be counted in the tally (meaning only contestants with votes against them will be considered).  If everyone chooses "No Lynch" or to not vote, a contestant will be chosen at random and booted from the stage.

    6) There is no rule against inactivity this game.  You may choose not to vote and simply discuss with no repercussion or threat of penalty (or simply lurk and not post at your own risk of being considered suspicious).  However, remember that a single vote may condemn/save a contestant that you may have your eye on (or if you're wanting to save yourself from being a victim), so voting can potentially help push odds in your favor (although nothing is guaranteed).
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  • Bad luck, zM. I hope this doesn't discourage you from playing again in the future. It takes a couple games to get a hang of it.
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  • Bad luck, zM. I hope this doesn't discourage you from playing again in the future. It takes a couple games to get a hang of it.
    Seconded. There's a reason there's a pretty solid joke that I get lynched round one: because it happened, a lot. Don't let an early death discourage you!
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  • Ouch looks like that was a bad time to not check the forums.  I know it's too late to say this but I am ready.  That is unfortunate to see zM out but keep watching the game and read through others and you will get a better idea of how this works and how to play the game.  Someone was going to be eliminated anyway, circumstances ended up causing you to be the chosen one but maybe in other games of werewolf you will last longer.
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  • First of all, its a pity that one of us, the inexperienced, have to leave in the first round. Sry, zM

    All of that said, my vote-track rn is (bold is the current vote):
    PJ: technically not a vote-no-lynch, but a stated plan to not vote.

    Im a bit confused, why didnt you count my vote as a no vote. I did something wrong?

    And sry if i havent been the most active player, im dealing with quite a bit of paperwork and, to be true, im not following your line of reasoning, so im in the dark
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  • Im a bit confused, why didnt you count my vote as a no vote. I did something wrong?
    Oh, I misinterpreted your intent then. I assumed it was 'I will not be voting for anyone', rather than 'I vote for no one'.
    Although honestly they're interchangeable in this game per Pengu's rules so it doesn't particularly matter anyway.
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    Nigel: Welcome back all you smashing cats, I hope you had a wonderful commercial break!  While you were away, another contestant was chosen to take the stage...let's take a look, shall we?

    The audience applauds as a contestant makes their way to the stage

    Wernstrom: State your name, please.

    Contestant: My name is Nathaniel Essex.

    Wernstrom: I see...and what is your, for lack of a better word "talent?"

    Nathaniel: I can hurt myself simply by walking around.

    Finster: Ha! You're a weakling that just needs to work out at the gym more, like me!

    Helga: Yeah, sure thing grandma.  So anyways bucko, how exactly are you going to even walk around?

    Nathaniel: What do you mean?

    Helga: I'm not sure if you've noticed, but you've got no legs!

    Nathaniel looks down to see that his legs are indeed gone

    Nathaniel: wait...I can explain!

    All of the judges hit the X on their panels

    Nathaniel Essex aka A self deprecating Kane, a Contestant, has been booted from the stage after his trick was sabotaged.

    I'm sorry to inform you all that during the commercial break, the saboteur leader almost choked on a piece of sausage.  They were able to get it out in time, But one of the Scouts was knocked out cold after the piece of sausage hit them.  This means that while that scout is still alive, they weren't able to watch over anyone during this commercial break.

    But worry not, because while that whole debacle was going on, The Magician found a lucky coin in their chip dip.  Thankfully, they didn't eat it, and coincidentally the coin actually belonged to one of the network execs.  The execs were so grateful that they gave the Magician Special immunity from being sabotaged for a Commercial Break.  This means that while they can still be booted by majority in the first go, they'll survive one attempted sabotage against them during any future commercial break.

    And it's time for another Showtime ladies and gents! Let's talk about the contestants you'd like to see hit the stage, and decide which of them deserves it the most!  This showtime will continue until Friday, June 21st at 8:30 PM PST.
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  • Strange that they would have gone for Kane. Unless they were assuming he was a power role trying to stay under the radar. I still think a Doc-Ruguo axis is a possibility. Their actions in the last round was a bit to co-ordinated in my view. As such, I will vote for Ruguo but I will be willing to change my vote if a convincing argument presents itself.
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  • I really have no good counter argument and probably deserve that vote based on my past actions.

    But now that I've had some time to think, I can see just how irrational I was being. You see, I had convinced myself that because North and I were both wolves before the reshuffle, that at least one of us was going to end up being a wolf again. Given his immediate defensiveness, compounded by Lau already voting for him and me being far too trusting and eager to save my own butt, I really thought he was a good option. However, I've come to realize that if North is in fact a wolf, he probably wouldn't be so suspicious of everyone. And though it could be a strategy, I do believe that North is innocent after reviewing the last round.

    I'm not sure how I was coordinated with Doc, so I can't really come up with a defense for that. If you explain your viewpoint I might be able to come up with something.

    Now, as to why vote for Kane, I think it might have something to do with him not posting until after the first day was over? If I was scum, I admit that I wouldn't go for a big target on the first night either and instead go for someone relatively innocuous. I think that Kane just got the short end of the stick, though I might be reading this wrong as I don't know if or how Kane has previously played and if he is good at finding wolfies or not.
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  • Like I said, you voted immediately after Doc did and in such a way as to achieve the same effect even if your vote was different. You even accepted his logic. I might chalk that up to similar thinking but it is a bit of a coincidence, in my view.
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  • Oh, wow. I really did vote close to him. I didn't quite realize that before or take that into consideration. As to why I accepted his logic, that's simply because I was just getting into the game and was feeding off of other people while I tried to learn what was going on. I think that might end up being my fatal mistake. I've learned from it though, and that's what counts.

    I'm still not sure what the same effect you're referring to is, I thought that voting for separate people had different effects? As always, please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm bound to still be missing information from somewhere.
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  • You voting for me and Doc voting for Lau was almost certain to cause a tie between the two of us. So when one of us was lynched the other could escape suspicion.
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  • Oh. Honestly didn't even think about that. I kinda forgot it worked that way. I thought that if there was no majority that anyone could be chosen. So I was trying to push majority onto you. Sorry. I mean, voting was cleared up for me since then, but that was my thought process.
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