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  • They made it fairly clear that the show and books would diverge for the most part after season 4. You simply can't fit that many characters and plots into the series.

    I'm sorry, I respect GRRM and all, but he wrote himself into a massive fucking corner and just can't get out of it, that's why he's taking so long. First it was supposed to be 3 books, then 5, then 6, and now 7. I heard rumours that even 8 are being considered.

    Could the show have handled the adaptation better? For sure, and they royally fucked up the plot with Dorne, the Sandsnakes and the entire season 7, but let's not pretend everything GRRM did is golden.

    And true, Dany is a lot more talented in the books, but even there, you can see her madness come through sometimes. This has been a long time coming.

    Also, they didn't show any magic, as yet, from Euron, but his speech when they introduced him convinced me that he must have it. (I am 99% sure that is what they were intending, at first, anyway, and have since abandoned the idea. I'm still going to have it as head canon, though.) EDIT: I'm including the scene here.


    Victarion doesn't exist in the show. Euron behaves more like him in the show.

    Yeah, I don't know why the fuck they didn't bring Lady Stoneheart into the show. Although to be honest, book 4 was so goddamned dull, I didn't even care that she was there. I feel like they've given Brienne a suitable replacement arc, though. Jaime has been in limbo for too long, however.

    Yeah, true, Cersei was an absolute monster from the get-go in the books. I liked her more sympathetic portrayal in the show, though.

    I'll respond to the rest of your rambling when I'm in the mood to read it again. :D
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  • Yup, the pace fucked things up royally this episode. Like, obviously they've been building up to Dany's decision to burn everyone anyway, regardless of whether they surrender, for years and years, but there should definitely have been a few more episodes to build up to it. The hints she gave were clear, like saying Jon betrayed her, ominously proclaiming "then let it be fear" after Jon didn't bang her, and burning Varys alive and threatening to do the same to Tyrion if he failed again (despite just turning against his dearest friend and ally for her). It just still felt goddamned jarring when she decided to burn them all anyway.

    The fight between Euron and Jaime was the most brain-dead thing I've ever witnessed.

    EDIT: Also, I'm going to rant now. It's not going to be pretty.

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    WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK DID THEY DO TO TYRION'S CHARACTER?!

    YOU'RE TELLING ME THE SMARTEST GUY IN THE SHOW, AND ALSO ONE OF THE MOST LOYAL TO HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY, NOT ONLY DIDN'T SEE WHAT A COMPLETE FUCKING PSYCHOTIC BREAK DANY WAS ABOUT TO HAVE, BUT THEN ALSO BETRAYED HIS CLOSEST FRIEND (WHO LITERALLY SMUGGLED HIM OUT OF A CITY THAT WANTED TO SEE HIM DEAD, AFTER KILLING HIS OWN FATHER, AND THEN PICKING UP ALL HIS LITERAL FECES TO MAKE SURE NO ONE FOUND HIM ON THE BOAT ON HIS WAY TO SLAVER'S BAY)?! AND THEN HE *STILL* LETS HIS BROTHER GO TO TRY AND SAVE HIS SISTER AND GET HER TO SURRENDER, AND *ACTUALLY* THINK THAT DANY IS SOMEHOW GOING TO COOL WITH IT?!

    WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK WERE THESE WRITERS SMOKING?
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    EDIT 2: Really, there's a lot more I'd like to rant about, but I'll just let a YouTuber do it for me.

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  • Oh my god.

    I mean, I'm sure we all knew this was going to be awful, but that turned out to be an understatement.

    Prepare for another rant.

    To be generous, there is going to be one thing I praise. But even that thing is going to form part of my rant.

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    Dany: I mean, I've pretty much had a hate-boner for this woman since like, season 1 episode 5. But when you have her reciting speeches about how she's going to "liberate" the whole world, including Winterfell, while standing next to Jon Snow, and then later having her still think she can convince Jon of anything she says, I don't even have fucking words for how dumb this is.

    Which conveniently brings me to He Who Shall Never Know Shit himself, Jon Snow. My god. We're talking about the guy who forgot every vow he ever swore to as a Night's Watchman so he could protect people, and he's still fucking trying to defend what Dany just did? The woman who just burned a city down and will let the world end in fire if not stopped? I don't think there is any means of conveying just how far my eyes have rolled up into my skull.

    Grey Worm: You know what, fuck it, I could live with his despicable acts, because y'all are all strangers to this dude and you just beheaded his girl. I could even live with his insistence to keep Jon a prisoner even if it would mean they all die, because really, what do these guys have to live for? What I cannot live with is him just going like: "Fuck it, I'm fucking off to Naarth, I trust you fuckers to keep Jon in the Night's Watch, 'cause that turned out so fucking well last time. Also I'm saying fuck a lot because nothing fucking makes any fucking sense any fucking more."

    Yara: Bitch, you didn't even know Dany, so why are you so upset that the dude who saved everyone from the dead killed a bitch? And then you somehow go along with this stupid idea of naming Bran king, thus guaranteeing Jon's gonna get away with it? Nah.

    Sansa: Fine, whatever, she'd totally make a play for the throne in the North. There'd also be literally no goddamned way that anyone wouldn't call her on her bullshit when she says it's because the North has suffered too much.

    Arya: You know that look people have when they've seen something so incomprehensibly stupid that they don't even know how to continue living? That's the look I'm having now. Bitch could have walked up to Dany, stabbed her and fucked right back off to the North, because apparently she's a fucking stealth goddess who can sneak past an entire goddamned army, up a stair case in plain view of all assembled, and surprise her brother in 5 seconds flat.

    Tyrion: Whatever, he actually behaved like his old self again. Fuck it, I'll take it.

    Sam: My guy, you didn't even fucking complete your training as a regular, garden variety maester, but you're suddenly the grandmaester? That's it. I'm being Punk'd. Where are the cameras?

    Bran:

    So, time to end the rant with something I actually liked, but not completely. I genuinely liked the idea of Drogon burning down the Iron Throne, as that symbolically represented the rule of the dragons, and also neatly hinted at the fact that Jon wasn't going to be king either. But when the fuck did dragons become smart enough to make cool symbolic gestures?
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    The starkjerking is real with Dan and Dave. I know they don't give a shit about Thrones anymore but holy shit the "fanservice" to mouthbreathing morons who suck more wolf dick than a furry convention is astounding. I fucking hate Sansa, she's just as stupid and useless as she was in season 1 yet idiots will praise her as being some strong, powerful woman when every decision she makes is braindead lunacy, short-sighted pettiness, or some combination of both. Arya the Shinobi Samurai Super Saiyan can go get fucked as well. That fucking bug-eyed goblin just stared at everything the entire episode until the epilogue. I can rest easy knowing that she'll die/disappear like the last dozen people who've tried sailing west of Westeros in the books. Her whole arc was a giant waste of time, and is another favorite of the lowest common denominator dudebros and yasqueens who still manage to enjoy this trash, so of course Dan and Dave heap honors and praise upon this psychopathic killer. The fact that both of these shitstains had the fucking audacity to tell Jon that Dany was bad not because she was clearly unhinged, had murdered countless people in the past, or because she was an existential threat to their way of life, but because "boo hoo she's not one of us". Fuck you. The North doesn't deserve independence from the rest of Westeros just because, what? They're the "good guys"? Fuck you. Way to ruin a show that used to preach moral ambiguity. Bran has been fucking useless for about 2 seasons or so, but hey he gets to be King because nobody hates him the way they do his brainlet sisters. Whoopdy fucking doo. At least Jon gets to live as King beyond the Wall crushing wildling puss for the rest of his days. What a great end for the so-called Prince that was Promised. I give highest praise to the cast for managing to make it through this season without breaking down and committing seppuku when presented with this terrible script. Thank you all and pray to god that George manages to finish this stupid fucking series with some grace.
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  • Well, I gather this train wreck hasn't unwrecked itself after the Sand Snakes intermission, then?
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  • Quite the opposite. Looking back, the Sandsnakes were gentle foreplay before we we all got fucked.
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