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1. This shall be titled the Statement of the Underhusen on the Events in Lazarus

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2. The following statement shall be considered the position of the Underhusen of Wintreath in regards to certain matters:

The Underhusen, while noting that we tend not to involve ourselves in external conflicts, do find it incumbent upon ourselves to release a statement. As such we hereby state that the following:
1. The Underhusen views the actions of Funkadelia as a coup against the Legitimate Government of Lazarus
2. The Underhusen hereby approves of any and all action, as authorized by the monarch, to restore the legitimate government of Lazarus.
3. The Underhusen calls upon the Monarch to end recognition of the Government of Lazarus under Funkadelia and to recognize the Government in Exile of Lazarus.
4. The Underhusen calls upon the Monarch to create a position that will allow Wintreath to take offensive capacity and to help the Celestial Union of Lazarus at this time.

Fuck my LoA, I feel it is imperative to post this. It is here for 48 hours for debate.
EDIT: updated information

@Gattoartico
@Mathyland
@North
@Crushita

I don't know what's going on in Lazarus because I'm not on Nationstates often, but this statement seems like something I'd support. I'll try to look into the situation with Lazarus soon.

Can I get a rundown of what happened?

Can I get a rundown of what happened?

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=419439

This article makes Wintermoot look bad, and I don't like that. I'm sure there's a good reason why he was in the resistance chat.

And in your proposed statement, you said you view the actions of Funkadelia as a coup against the government. I though Funkadelia was, and still is, the legitimate delegate of the region that helped stop the coup.

@Wintermoot do you have any extra information that wasn't discussed in the thread I linked above that you got from being in that discord chat?

Edit: I see there are two sides to the story, apparently, and I will try to look into that.

(sorry for double posting)

I now see that there's a second side to the story that I believe, especially because Wintermoot agrees with it.

It seems like Funkadelia and his friends wanted power and to make it so nobody else could get any power. Some people, Wintermoot included, got together and tried to overthrow them and restore their legitimate government. Funkadelia caught them and stopped their effort, and then made it seem like the resistance was planning a coup against them in the thread I linked before. And now they're suppressing posts from anyone who opposes them.

I'm 100% on board to vote for this when we get to the voting phase.

EDIT: I'd recommend reading these:

Spoiler

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=859093
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=859379

I'm slightly offended you didn't ask me, considering I was also mentioned in the first article as apart of that chat.

(For those wondering I was, in fact, in that chat. There was, in no way, a plot to coup the region. In fact there was only the desire to do things legally.)

Sorry, I didn't see your name in it; I just scanned over the names and happened to see Wintermoot.

It's fine.

In any case the time for debate has expired, the Skrifa may not make a motion on this.

@Gattoartico
@Mathyland
@North
@Crushita

In any case the time for debate has expired, the Skrifa may now make a motion on this.

FTFY

I motion to vote

I second this motion.

Thank-you for the fix Mathyland.

Motion passes this will now head to a vote

Sorry that I haven't had a chance to reply back, it's been...something of a week.

I've been concerned about the potential of Funkadelia couping the region since he returned from 'retirement' a few months back, extolling the need to make Lazarus 'spicy'. It quickly became clear to me that he was here for his own amusement and power rather than maintaining the rule of law, and I watched as he, Lamb, and killer kitty (all members of the raider organization Lone Wolves United) bullied several members they didn't like out of the region. It's why I became a Guardian (a member of Lazarus's security council) and ran for Defender of the Realm (Vice-Delegate).

However, things started to become blatant several weeks ago during votes in the region's open assembly to reaffirm the security council. A large influx of people signed up for Citizenship during these elections and voted along with Funkadelia and his clique to remove Harmoneia, someone who had been involved in Lazarus for a decade. As Sovereign, Funkadelia approved these Citizenship applications, and as election commissioner he accepted their votes even though it was illegal to do so (he (or a member of his group, I don't remember which) claimed that reconfirmation votes didn't count as elections, and thus the laws forbidding Citizens that joined during an election from voting in it didn't apply). Afterwards, they voted as a bloc to install killer kitty to the regional court, while also blocking to keep Church of Satan out of it. With several other people on the court on his side, this effectively gave him control of the court.

Around this time, I was approached by a small group of people (which would later grow into the "resistance" chat as more people became involved) about these events, and we began discussing how to resist what was going on within our legal means. Our intention was to resist further attempts by he and his group to consolidate power, and then to legally remove him as Sovereign, by either participating in elections next month or initiating a recall against him if things came to a head beforehand. I want to emphasize that the chat only focused on legal methods to resist and remove a Sovereign we felt had participated in corruption and collusion to subvert the region for himself and possibly for Lone Wolves United.

Over time, the chat grew to involve nearly two dozen concerned people, which is why I'm not surprised that it eventually leaked. Funkadelia and friends took portions of the chat and posted them out of context to make it look like the chat had been discussing a coup against him, as pretext for couping the region himself. That would be the topic that Mathyland posted. He then charged 22 people (the last time I counted) with treason and other charges, and removed their Citizenship masking immediately afterwards to boot. This group not only includes people from the chat, but people who appear to have simply disagreed with his actions afterwards. The resistance has set up a government-in-exile, and is actively fighting to oppose Funkadelia and restore legal order to the region.

There's a lot of disingenuous shit on the NationStates Gameplay forum...everything posted to that area is done so with an agenda behind it, so take anything you read there with a grain of salt. However, the fact of the matter is that a small group of people have seized power in Lazarus and are now attempting to purge dozens of Citizens from it in order to consolidate their own power. I've become aware that they're now trying to change the Constitution, with Funkadelia proposing a new constitution that would effectively make him 'king' for as long as he wanted (removal would require 80% of voters to support it, he would have full control over acceptance of Citizenship apps, and even if he were removed he would control who his successor is). It's really as simple as that.

I hope this answers any questions that anyone had. I'm sorry again that I wasn't able to reply before now, but again...it's been a very busy and stressful week for me. I should be better able to reply quickly after tomorrow though.

I have noticed the passage of this non-binding resolution, and I wish to question those who supported it besides Chanku, who is already personally involved in this matter.

Following these recommendations would upend long-standing policy regarding GCR conflicts and not only commit us to recognizing a government-in-exile that may or may not ever reclaim the delegacy, but would go so far as to create a new NS military force to help it fight its battles...all over a region that we as a region have no close ties to and no real investment in. Why do you feel we should make such a heavy and decisive commitment? And would you personally commit to being involved in the actions you have supported here?

Your answers will weigh heavily on my thoughts as I ponder what actions to take in this matter.

@Gattoartico
@Mathyland
@North
@Crushita