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On behalf of the region, I am attending the "Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism" conference in Europeia, which seeks to address the issue of Nazi regions and players in the game. I don't think we've ever discussed the matter here as a region before, so what are your thoughts on Nazi regions and players, and how do you believe we should handle them both in gameplay (should we participate in raids/invasions of Nazi regions?) and in other areas as a region?

Our discussion will help me determine a course of action, whether it's recommending the treaty that is being drafted to the Storting or taking unilateral action as a region.

For some reason, I do actually recall this being talked about before in our region, and a topic was made on here about it.

Doing a search, I see we did discuss making it against the law for Citizens to collaborate with Nazi regions back in 2015. It doesn't appear we've discussed anything broader, though.

Doing a search, I see we did discuss making it against the law for Citizens to collaborate with Nazi regions back in 2015. It doesn't appear we've discussed anything broader, though.

I see it's probably a typo, and I don't normally bring up typos... But, I was legitimately confused when I scrolled down my news feed and saw that we were once thinking of making it mandatory to "collaborate with nazi regions".

I present unto thee, why I don't post first thing in the morning.

I said that we discussed making it against the law for Citizens to collaborate with Nazi regions...I'm not sure how you got making it mandatory to do so from that...

I said that we discussed making it against the law for Citizens to collaborate with Nazi regions...I'm not sure how you got making it mandatory to do so from that...

For some reason my brain didn't read the word against.  totally my mistake. So I guess my brain made a typo, sorry Mootles.

Anyway, to actually discuss NS Nazis, I don't think we should sign a treaty where we would engage them, I get the feeling from how antagonistic they are they want people to mess with them...

If you read their discussions which is very hard many of the ones who seem serious have a persecution complex; where they believe they aren't taken seriously and everyone is against them (which everyone is) but most people myself included don't seem to care much about them. Yeah, we don't like them, but in my honest opinion we should just let them have their little dens of hatred, and only react if directly provoked.

My opinion, in the wise words of Gimli, "Let 'em rot!" 

All that talking about them is going to do is get them uptight and continue their narrative of "we're persecuted!!"

Even though that's not the case at all.  We can't do anything about it, and why do we need to?  All we give them by holding a forum about it is drag the filth into the limelight, rather than keep it suffocating under the rug.  Let them parade around with their mini-swastikas on shitty hate subreddits.  I certainly don't care.  At least they're not actually committing crimes in the real world. 

tl;dr: Nazis suck, let them stay banished.

My position on this is somewhat like Hannah's. We shouldn't outwardly attack them, as doing so will only act to radicalize and make them more aggressive in their actions. Instead we should let them be, for the most part. We should counter any attempts at expansion and raiding where possible, but otherwise leave them be. Further continually attacking their regions will only spread them out more and make them harder to watch. So let them have their cesspools and dens of hatred, and act only when necessary to counter their spread.

Let the skinheads be: without them, the SJW/ultraleft faction of Nationstates would be left completely unchecked. NS Nazis are like worms: they're disgusting, harmful, and toxic, but they serve a purpose in the ecosystem.

I actually don't understand why NationStates bans the swastika but allows the actual Nazi ideology/identification. I personally think the best solution would be for this to be dealt with on an admin/staff level, but that seems to be their policy on the matter. Let me ask some specific questions:

1) Should Wintreath participate in raids against Nazi regions?

2) Should we bar relations with regions that have been identified as a Nazi region? What about regions that aren't Nazi but work with Nazis in gameplay?

3) Should we resurrect the proposed legislation making it a law against working with Nazis?

4) Should we join an interregional organization that would be empowered to identify Nazi regions/sympathizer regions which we would be obligated not to have relations with and to work against militarily?

1) Should Wintreath participate in raids against Nazi regions?

No

2) Should we bar relations with regions that have been identified as a Nazi region? What about regions that aren't Nazi but work with Nazis in gameplay?

Yes, and should be on a case-by-case basis

3) Should we resurrect the proposed legislation making it a law against working with Nazis?

No

4) Should we join an interregional organization that would be empowered to identify Nazi regions/sympathizer regions which we would be obligated not to have relations with and to work against militarily?

No.

EDIT: Fixed case-by-vase to case-by-case

I think people should stop getting their panties twisted because some people want to RP an obscure internet game as a nazi. Who the hell cares? They're hurting zero people, not counting the worthless dumblrinas that get triggered over this shit.

I have to agree with Justinian. That someone chooses to portray themselves as some terrible person or regime from the past may show poor taste, but to allow their choice to get oneself worked up is a fruitless waste of time. The best medicine is indifference.

The same could be said for any group or organization in NS...by that logic there wouldn't be R/D at all.

The same could be said for any group or organization in NS...by that logic there wouldn't be R/D at all.

Why even involve ourselves in that stupid game? They're both kind of dumb. Defenders keep dead regions propped up even when their prime has long passed and they're going to die anyway, and raiders basically just smear shit on their gravestones. Either way, it shouldn't concern us; after all, we're smarter than that, right?