I...don't see how that applies. Debate is allowed by that rule and we are debating. Besides, confining ourselves to the rules in a game where we constantly change the rules isn't as confining as you make it out to be. We could require rule changes to be proposed in the form of haiku, as an example. It could be fun.
I'm not sure whether you're addressing the first or second part of my post. I'll treat it as both.
For the first part (which relates to Proposal 303):
Rule 111 reads:
If a rule-change as proposed is unclear, ambiguous, paradoxical, or destructive of play, or if it arguably consists of two or more rule-changes compounded or is an amendment that makes no difference, or if it is otherwise of questionable value, then the other players may suggest amendments or argue against the proposal before the vote. A reasonable time must be allowed for this debate. The proponent decides the final form in which the proposal is to be voted on and, unless the Judge has been asked to do so, also decides the time to end debate and vote.
This brings up several issues, from my perspective:
- Debate is only allowed if the proposal meets certain subjective conditions
- Players can only argue against a proposal, not for
- Most importantly, the rule does not allow for debating during the voting period, as we are currently doing (or at least, the proponent can choose to end debate at any "reasonable" time and force voting without discussion)
This is just one rule; you can find more of these cases if you look at the other ones carefully. Simply put, the rules currently in place are just not designed to be strictly followed, so I don't support an amendment of Rule 116 toward that direction.
As for the second part of my post:
Let me use BraveSirRobin's turn as an example. He proposed a rule change, and less than 10 minutes afterward, Rasdanation voted against it. Robin had not begun the voting period, so all of our votes were invalid. BraveSirRobin should have had the opportunity to change the text of his proposal, as Rule 111 stated, but his attempts to do so led to claims that such an action would be against the rules (even though our/Rasdanation's initiation of the voting period was illegal).
In every turn so far, there hasn't been a prevote debating period, as Rule 111 mandates; rather, the debating has been simultaneous with the voting.
Well if that's the case, then I vote for this proposal, we should make the game a bit faster, since we are running out of time.
@Wintermoot @Emoticonius Can we continue this game after the Festival ends (perhaps moved to the Amalyan Quarter)?