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So after writing the Cain as a Joke city act, it actually got me thinking.

Right now, we have a Storting that focuses purely on laws that govern Wintreath the messageboard and Wintreath the Nationstates region (though mainly the former).

On the flipside, we have Wintreath, the actual region which has little to no laws whatsoever.  No laws on prostitution or slavery, crimes, education, etc...it's essentially a place where people can do whatever they want, wherever they want.

Since we have such an inactive UH...why not branch out and start making actual regional laws that could dictate future roleplays?  What IS Wintreath's law on things such as marriage, age of consent, and punishments for criminals?  Things like that should always be changing and evolving, and it's really a perfect way to pass time while waiting for forum-based/chat-based/NS-based ones to appear.

I see no way for this to properly apply to our RP's. They all take place at different times, and mostly in alternate timelines as well.

The immediate problem that I see is that it may be unconstitutional...Section 4 of the Declaration of Rights specifies that Citizens shall have the right to manage their nations without interference, and what do you do if the Storting has a law against prostitution and a nation expressly allows it, for example?

Just to me, this seems more appropriate for a self-contained RP...maybe some sort of model government which wouldn't necessarily have real power over the region. I seem to remember a region starting something similar a few weeks ago, but I'll have to look around to see which one it was.

The immediate problem that I see is that it may be unconstitutional...Section 4 of the Declaration of Rights specifies that Citizens shall have the right to manage their nations without interference, and what do you do if the Storting has a law against prostitution and a nation expressly allows it, for example?

Just to me, this seems more appropriate for a self-contained RP...maybe some sort of model government which wouldn't necessarily have real power over the region. I seem to remember a region starting something similar a few weeks ago, but I'll have to look around to see which one it was.

The only RPs this would affect would be Wintreath specific ones, such as the First Tribes of Wintreath, or more appropriately Weiss' War on Many Fronts RP...hence it being laws about the region itself, not about Wintreath the Nationstates region.

But these laws would be about fleshing out the RP region itself into something more and breathing more life into it.

The only RPs this would affect would be Wintreath specific ones, such as the First Tribes of Wintreath, or more appropriately Weiss' War on Many Fronts RP...hence it being laws about the region itself, not about Wintreath the Nationstates region.

All our RPs are Wintreath-specific. Again, I don't see how this would work. Laws change over time, and our storylines are spread across history and even multiple timelines. You can't just impose a set of uniform laws on prehistoric, gearpunk, post-modern, and future societies, because the culture of these settings are completely different.

Let's take a look at our RPs as examples:

First Tribes doesn't even have a "Wintrean" government or nation, as the name implies. To take one of your examples, marriage might not even have a recognizable equivalent in some of these cultures.

In Wintrean Union, Wintreath is simply the location of a UN-like body, is completely ignored as a nation for all intents and purposes, and for whatever reason is in the south instead of the north.

In From the Ashes, Wintreath is the remnant of a fallen galactic empire set in the far future, with a culture that is consequently very different from all other RPs and the Wintreath region itself.

The Wintrean government in War on Many Fronts is somewhere between feudalism and absolute monarchy, so it wouldn't even make sense to have a republican legislature governing its laws. EDIT: Never mind, I just checked "Establishment of Setting" and there appears to be Storting that developed similar to UK's Parliament. Not to mention that Weissreich's Wintreath has a rather different aging process/timeline for humans, which would obviously necessitate a different culture and a different set of laws for age limits.

Overall, it doesn't make sense to apply Storting-passed laws to any of our RPs. Each RP is set in their own situation and have markedly different Wintreaths with wildly varying cultures. And we don't have an official RP or an official timeline to write laws for either.

I'm surprised at your sudden interest in RP affairs, considering that you aren't participating in any. I get that you're the Jarl of Culture, but given that you've refrained from participating in the RP Guild and affiliated roleplays in the past, I'm not sure you have the full picture of our RP community.

I'm surprised at your sudden interest in RP affairs, considering that you aren't participating in any. I get that you're the Jarl of Culture, but given that you've refrained from participating in the RP Guild and affiliated roleplays in the past, I'm not sure you have the full picture of our RP community.

Considering the RP community is full of people with various different ideas on how they enjoy taking part, not to mention Wintreath itself is a community in which all ideas should be welcomed...perhaps you should take that into account before being so quick to shut down someone's idea and talk like they have no idea what they're even talking about.  It's incredibly rude.

I apologize if I came off as rude. I do welcome your idea, which is why I took so long to write out how I think a certain aspect of it would play out. Nevertheless, I can't see how your idea in its present form could be successfully implemented... from what I can tell, you suggested applying the same systems of laws to both a diverse set of prehistoric civilizations and a Victorian-style society. To use an analogy, the Navajo and Iroquois had different laws and cultures, both of which differ from the modern-day US. How do you simultaneously write laws for all three of them?

Even if we worked this problem out, I don't think it's a good idea for an RP's fictional society to be dictated by a body that doesn't participate in it. All that would lead to is laws that make no sense in the context of the RP. For example, let's say we want a law recognizing Cain for something. Well, in First Tribes, Cain doesn't exist yet, while in FtA Cain was destroyed millennia earlier and now exists as merely a small part of an ecumenopolis.

I also notice that you haven't responded to any of my criticisms besides calling me rude and accusing me of shutting you down. I'd appreciate an actual discussion beyond just name-calling.

In any case, I like your general idea, and would definitely enjoy the worldbuilding it can bring to our region. It's just that our RPs have different worldbuildings of their own, and I don't think it would be good to infringe on that. If, as Wintermoot suggested, this project were self-contained, I would wholeheartedly support it.

The only RPs this would affect would be Wintreath specific ones, such as the First Tribes of Wintreath, or more appropriately Weiss' War on Many Fronts RP...hence it being laws about the region itself, not about Wintreath the Nationstates region.

All our RPs are Wintreath-specific. Again, I don't see how this would work. Laws change over time, and our storylines are spread across history and even multiple timelines. You can't just impose a set of uniform laws on prehistoric, gearpunk, post-modern, and future societies, because the culture of these settings are completely different.

Let's take a look at our RPs as examples:

First Tribes doesn't even have a "Wintrean" government or nation, as the name implies. To take one of your examples, marriage might not even have a recognizable equivalent in some of these cultures.

In Wintrean Union, Wintreath is simply the location of a UN-like body, is completely ignored as a nation for all intents and purposes, and for whatever reason is in the south instead of the north.

In From the Ashes, Wintreath is the remnant of a fallen galactic empire set in the far future, with a culture that is consequently very different from all other RPs and the Wintreath region itself.

The Wintrean government in War on Many Fronts is somewhere between feudalism and absolute monarchy, so it wouldn't even make sense to have a republican legislature governing its laws. EDIT: Never mind, I just checked "Establishment of Setting" and there appears to be Storting that developed similar to UK's Parliament. Not to mention that Weissreich's Wintreath has a rather different aging process/timeline for humans, which would obviously necessitate a different culture and a different set of laws for age limits.

Overall, it doesn't make sense to apply Storting-passed laws to any of our RPs. Each RP is set in their own situation and have markedly different Wintreaths with wildly varying cultures. And we don't have an official RP or an official timeline to write laws for either.

I'm surprised at your sudden interest in RP affairs, considering that you aren't participating in any. I get that you're the Jarl of Culture, but given that you've refrained from participating in the RP Guild and affiliated roleplays in the past, I'm not sure you have the full picture of our RP community.

Tau could have used more tact here, but he does have a point.

If we want to consider something like this, we as the UH (and potentially the OH) would have to 1) become more involved with RP as a body, and 2) develop our own RP. None of which would be a bad idea.

But these laws would be about fleshing out the RP region itself into something more and breathing more life into it.

It sounds almost like an expansion of the Wonderful World of Wintreath, with all the talk of fleshing out the RP region and world-building.

But these laws would be about fleshing out the RP region itself into something more and breathing more life into it.

It sounds almost like an expansion of the Wonderful World of Wintreath, with all the talk of fleshing out the RP region and world-building.

Yeah, I completely support that. I just don't think it should affect any of the RPs.

But these laws would be about fleshing out the RP region itself into something more and breathing more life into it.

It sounds almost like an expansion of the Wonderful World of Wintreath, with all the talk of fleshing out the RP region and world-building.

Yeah, I completely support that. I just don't think it should affect any of the RPs.

Are not Weissreich's lore and yet-unreleased House RP supposed to be the regional canon? So this is what it could affect?

But these laws would be about fleshing out the RP region itself into something more and breathing more life into it.

It sounds almost like an expansion of the Wonderful World of Wintreath, with all the talk of fleshing out the RP region and world-building.

That's exactly what it's supposed to be, had anyone actually asked for clarification on this whole thing. 

It's supposed to affect purely the actual RP region of Wintreath, meaning the one with the established setting and the actual map going for it, nothing else.  The first tribes was an example of what could be affected since it's in the same setting, even though realistically it wouldn't since it would purely effect present-day Wintreath, not past or future.

And yes Gerrick, it'd be specifically RP's like Weiss' upcoming RP that it'd affect, since those specifically take place in present day Wintreath when the cities have been established, so it would make sense for laws to have been established and going through constant changes.

This would require all future UH members to become intimately familiar with RPs. Not something I'd have a problem with, but I can see the potential here for people to lose interest in the UH if RPing isn't their cup of tea.

And are you talking about Weiss's cyberpunk RP? Last time I checked, it wasn't a modern-day one, but it's possible that I had the wrong impression with it. That is the one with gear-works, though, so that's one thing the UH and OH would have to familiarise themselves with already.

This would require all future UH members to become intimately familiar with RPs. Not something I'd have a problem with, but I can see the potential here for people to lose interest in the UH if RPing isn't their cup of tea.

And are you talking about Weiss's cyberpunk RP? Last time I checked, it wasn't a modern-day one, but it's possible that I had the wrong impression with it. That is the one with gear-works, though, so that's one thing the UH and OH would have to familiarise themselves with already.

Eh...yes and no.  Since they'd be essentially just writing up laws in their free time regarding things that you'd normally see in the real world, but using elements of the RP Wintreath to establish it for that setting.  They'd mainly have to know the general idea of the date/time period, a general idea of what the cities themselves are like, general social settings, and just have a general idea of where Wintreath is at technologically/scientifically and if they wanted to go further, what place magic has and the like.  All of which can be found in Weiss' establishment of setting topic...so they'd really just have to be mainly versed in a singular topic and have a vague idea of the map (if they wanted to go further, then the Creatures and Places topics as well).

And I never said modern day, I said present day.  Meaning it would affect purely the Wintreath that exists within Weiss' established setting and based on the Places you'll go/creatures you'll find topics since they pertain to that same universe.  Example being if the Storting wanted to make a law making Nimbus Whale hunting illegal since they're a smaller group that it's believed that only 5 exist in the world at a time.  The law would be intermixed into the established setting for the present-day Wintreath world and would affect any RPs that take place in that exact setting/universe.  Anything before, after, or in a different universe wouldn't be affected because they're not tied to Weiss' established settings for the current Wintreath.

Well, I must say I actually rather like that idea.

I just don't see it flying with the OH. I'm not sure Wuufu or Josh have enough time or interest in it (and I'm definitely not criticising, everyone has their own interests). A few UH hopefuls like Chanku probably wouldn't be happy either.