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Govindia for Underhusen......again!
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Govindia
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  • I'm running for the Underhusen once again.

    Just because my reputation may not be the best does not mean I am a poor candidate.

    I have a lot of experience in NS government for several years moreso than many others.  I know how to write legislation, and if elected, I will be assertive. 

    I will not ignore anyone, and I will not be passive.   If you have an issue, I expect you to bring it up with me and work it out like mature adults.

    I was opposed to the OA amendment because I have seen it happen in regions that died in activity.  People became busy with school and work, and activity died.    Both regions now are like ghost towns, with people mainly posting on the RMB once in a while.

    Other than that, the only danger I see with an OA is that it can encourage mob rule, where if something or someone isn't liked, the majority will retaliate.  Alexander Hamilton was right about the "tyranny of the majority" and why minority rights have to be protected in any democracy.

    While the OA Amendment failed, I will support any form of constitutional reform that is sound and reasonable. 

    I will still continue efforts with others to improve the judiciary and other areas of government.

    I want to help improve the region and I want your vote.

    Please, support and vote for me.

    I will take questions now.
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    Govindia
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  • Questions anyone?

    Vote Govindia for an honest Underhusen, for an HONEST candidate with honour and integrity!
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    Emoticonius
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  • How can anyone trust you with a position the legislature when you make every election so personal? You hound Chanku every election over your personal beef with him, in his own campaign thread no less and you expect people to vote for you? How can you justify this? Is this the poor attitude you intend to bring to the UH? Would you accuse and harass opposition to any legislation you would propose just as you do for the pettiest of matters?

    I know it sounds mean and like I'm insulting you, but as I understand it you much prefer the honest and direct route.
    “I support anyone’s right to be who they want to be. My question is: to what extent do I have to participate in your self-image?” - Dave Chappelle
    7:42 PM <Govindia> eh, i like the taste of nuts in my mouth



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    Laurentus
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  • It is also troubling that you seem unable to understand what constitutes harassment. I don't want to sound mean, but if your behaviour (inspired by a legislative topic, no less) was bad enough to warrant a ban from IRC (which I believe was justified), then how could we seriously consider voting for you?

    Your behaviour thus far in the campaign threads is doing nothing but increasing my reluctance to vote for you. RL politicians (which we are not) actually have the right not to comment either. It would likely arouse a lot of suspicion, some investigations and whatnot, but it is still a right they have, and a right you've now repeatedly tried to deny Chanku (even if he's a complete pain the ass when it comes to government, he still has rights) and Pengu. If you feel they're not being respectful, patient or transparent enough (which you could certainly be, I can't possibly comment), then you have every right not to vote for them. You DON'T have a right to harass them, which is what you would be doing if you continue after they've made clear that they're done talking to you, and you decide to continue anyway.
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    Michi
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  • I have a perfectly legitimate campaign question to ask you.

    Throughout your time on Wintreath, you've shown the following:

    *You don't respect others' decisions to not respond to you, and insist that everyone conforms to your own moral standards to the point that you will belittle and make them into a public spectacle in attempt to shame them for not following your standards.  This even includes the Monarch himself, who you've belittled both in IRC as well as in the forums and even demanded he apologize several times because of something you see as passive aggressive.  This goes for members like myself and Hannah as well, who was even a specific reason for your IRC probation which you later violated (which I agree with the decision).

    *To add this to IRC, you constantly would ping, query, or badger people in chat that didn't respond to you right away.  Even if it was seconds away, you would even use Zaphyr to work around any possibility that they were ignoring you so that they would respond to you.

    *You've shown that when you yourself come under fire, you choose to blame others rather than taking anything anyone says to heart.  To bring up the Revocation from the past, it would have turned out very different if I hadn't pulled out of supporting it, as was evident by the number of people who voted the way they did simply because I withdrew support.  In that same instance, you had several people both in the OH as well as in the general thread insisting that you take it to heart as a wake up call.  Instead, however, you chose throw it at me, calling it "foolish" and even attempted to, even if jokingly, talk Wintermoot into banning me.

    *You have a history of asking for positions, most notably asking each of the Jarls including myself at one point if we would take you on as a Thane, despite putting in absolutely no efforts to show that you should even be considered.  In fact, even when given the chance for Ambassadorship, you've never taken true initiative by immersing yourself in the forums.  If you recall, I even gave you a chance by giving you a month to get involved in a region I was ambassador of, and promised that if you did, I would talk Wintermoot into giving you the spot since it was a region that didn't know you.  Instead, you made a total of 7 posts, 6 in your welcome thread, 1 in the embassy thread, and never bothered to branch out, and so I had to revoke that deal.  When questioned in Elections, you boasted wanting to actually do something in a position, but still as of yet have never shown that you actually deserve any such thing.

    *You also have a history of de-railing threads by making them about you and turning it into some grudge match.  This is especially true around election time, as the campaigns have already shown where you're already baiting the people you don't like into retaliating against you.  No, you're not the only one that does this, but you're one of the guilty ones in this that does do it constantly.

    You've also shown that your feelings matter more than the feelings of others, despite you constantly wanting to believe otherwise.  When someone chooses not to respond to you, you bump your posts constantly or write something along the lines of how nobody cares about your feelings, even if really, someone might just not have seen it...these things happen since posts are ever flowing and constant.  But rather than accept that not every post of yours will be read, you get into that pressing nature so people will like your posts or respond to it with sympathy, regardless of how that person may actually be feeling at that time (see reasoning for the revocation attempt in the first place).

    So my question to this is, why on earth (or any planet for that matter) should anyone vote for you?  You speak of acting like a mature adult, and have condemned my and others' choices as being the opposite...but this is quite the instance of the pot calling the kettle black.  A mature adult doesn't demand answers to the point you have, nor do they tout "suppression of free speech" when someone chooses not to answer. 

    A mature adult respects the fact that people have the choice to respond or not.  If someone responds to what you say, then great! You were able to talk to them and get an answer from them.  If someone chooses not to respond to what you say, then oh well.  Move on with your life.  Pestering them for an answer or throwing out "Passive aggressive" like it's going out of style isn't something a mature adult does.

    So I ask again...why on earth should anyone vote for you when you talk the big talk, but have shown time after time that you're still walking in baby steps?
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    Arenado
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  • Gov, I don't have a question as much as I have a concern.

    You have shown very little interest in government, the only thing that pops to mind is a grand total of 1 post about the OA ratification.

    Let's be frank, whether or not you feel justified or not, you alienate people. That is simply not up for debate. Not only do you alienate people you have shown that you really hold a grudge. If you are elected and Chanku or Hannah or Pengu come to you can you be professional? You say you can but your actions disagree with you.

    So my question is why should anyone vote for you with your record?
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    Govindia
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  • I have a perfectly legitimate campaign question to ask you.

    Throughout your time on Wintreath, you've shown the following:

    *You don't respect others' decisions to not respond to you, and insist that everyone conforms to your own moral standards to the point that you will belittle and make them into a public spectacle in attempt to shame them for not following your standards.  This even includes the Monarch himself, who you've belittled both in IRC as well as in the forums and even demanded he apologize several times because of something you see as passive aggressive.  This goes for members like myself and Hannah as well, who was even a specific reason for your IRC probation which you later violated (which I agree with the decision).

    *To add this to IRC, you constantly would ping, query, or badger people in chat that didn't respond to you right away.  Even if it was seconds away, you would even use Zaphyr to work around any possibility that they were ignoring you so that they would respond to you.

    *You've shown that when you yourself come under fire, you choose to blame others rather than taking anything anyone says to heart.  To bring up the Revocation from the past, it would have turned out very different if I hadn't pulled out of supporting it, as was evident by the number of people who voted the way they did simply because I withdrew support.  In that same instance, you had several people both in the OH as well as in the general thread insisting that you take it to heart as a wake up call.  Instead, however, you chose throw it at me, calling it "foolish" and even attempted to, even if jokingly, talk Wintermoot into banning me.

    *You have a history of asking for positions, most notably asking each of the Jarls including myself at one point if we would take you on as a Thane, despite putting in absolutely no efforts to show that you should even be considered.  In fact, even when given the chance for Ambassadorship, you've never taken true initiative by immersing yourself in the forums.  If you recall, I even gave you a chance by giving you a month to get involved in a region I was ambassador of, and promised that if you did, I would talk Wintermoot into giving you the spot since it was a region that didn't know you.  Instead, you made a total of 7 posts, 6 in your welcome thread, 1 in the embassy thread, and never bothered to branch out, and so I had to revoke that deal.  When questioned in Elections, you boasted wanting to actually do something in a position, but still as of yet have never shown that you actually deserve any such thing.

    *You also have a history of de-railing threads by making them about you and turning it into some grudge match.  This is especially true around election time, as the campaigns have already shown where you're already baiting the people you don't like into retaliating against you.  No, you're not the only one that does this, but you're one of the guilty ones in this that does do it constantly.

    You've also shown that your feelings matter more than the feelings of others, despite you constantly wanting to believe otherwise.  When someone chooses not to respond to you, you bump your posts constantly or write something along the lines of how nobody cares about your feelings, even if really, someone might just not have seen it...these things happen since posts are ever flowing and constant.  But rather than accept that not every post of yours will be read, you get into that pressing nature so people will like your posts or respond to it with sympathy, regardless of how that person may actually be feeling at that time (see reasoning for the revocation attempt in the first place).

    So my question to this is, why on earth (or any planet for that matter) should anyone vote for you?  You speak of acting like a mature adult, and have condemned my and others' choices as being the opposite...but this is quite the instance of the pot calling the kettle black.  A mature adult doesn't demand answers to the point you have, nor do they tout "suppression of free speech" when someone chooses not to answer. 

    A mature adult respects the fact that people have the choice to respond or not.  If someone responds to what you say, then great! You were able to talk to them and get an answer from them.  If someone chooses not to respond to what you say, then oh well.  Move on with your life.  Pestering them for an answer or throwing out "Passive aggressive" like it's going out of style isn't something a mature adult does.

    So I ask again...why on earth should anyone vote for you when you talk the big talk, but have shown time after time that you're still walking in baby steps?

    @Pengu :

    Answer ALL of my questions and concerns, not just three of them, in your campaign thread, then I will happily address all of what you asked me.

    Don't just ignore my questions and then expect me to address yours in full detail. 
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    Michi
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  • The fact that you're dismissing my question when I've answered all of yours (whether you agree with my answers or not) is quite concerning.  And yes, saying that I've answered all that I'm going to on a particular subject and won't be answering any others related to it is an answer for any future questions that are, in fact, related to it.

    So despite what you'll want to believe, I've answered all of your questions, both related and unrelated.
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    Govindia
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  • The fact that you're dismissing my question when I've answered all of yours (whether you agree with my answers or not) is quite concerning.  And yes, saying that I've answered all that I'm going to on a particular subject and won't be answering any others related to it is an answer for any future questions that are, in fact, related to it.

    So despite what you'll want to believe, I've answered all of your questions, both related and unrelated.

    @Pengu you have not.  You ignored a complete large reply and only selectively answered a few questions.  The "unrelated" posts are very much related because it calls out your inability to be assertive, direct, and patient, and resort to other methods.

    Please kindly address the issues you avoided, and then i will address everything here in FULL. Please and thank you.
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  • Double standards.
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  • Double standards.

    @Laurentus: No it is not.  If he wants me to address all his concerns, it is only fair, credible, and logical for him to address all of mine, not just some.

    It is not double standards.  I am holding him and ALL candidates to the same standard I am being held to.

    I will respond to the rest when I get to a computer
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    Weissreich
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  • Double standards.

    @Laurentus: No it is not.  If he wants me to address all his concerns, it is only fair, credible, and logical for him to address all of mine, not just some.

    It is not double standards.  I am holding him and ALL candidates to the same standard I am being held to.

    I will respond to the rest when I get to a computer
    Gov, by your own logic here he doesn't have to reply to your questions until you reply to his, as why should he extend the courtesy you're denying him? It's a vicious circle, and someone will have to go first. Make that someone you.
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    Michi
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  • The fact that you're dismissing my question when I've answered all of yours (whether you agree with my answers or not) is quite concerning.  And yes, saying that I've answered all that I'm going to on a particular subject and won't be answering any others related to it is an answer for any future questions that are, in fact, related to it.

    So despite what you'll want to believe, I've answered all of your questions, both related and unrelated.

    @Pengu you have not.  You ignored a complete large reply and only selectively answered a few questions.  The "unrelated" posts are very much related because it calls out your inability to be assertive, direct, and patient, and resort to other methods.

    Please kindly address the issues you avoided, and then i will address everything here in FULL. Please and thank you.

    Actually, I did.  I answered everything I was willing to answer in my first post, including detail as to why I was even ignoring you in IRC.

    I then kindly requested that any further responses related to that topic be taken to PM, which you rudely dismissed.  I then stated that any continued responses would be ignored because it was requested that you take it to PM, and then proceeded to answer your questions later that weren't related.

    So yes, I did answer your questions.  Stop being so passive and dismissive.
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    Weissreich
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  • If I recall, this is an election platform, not a "personally attack Gov from all directions at once" thread. Not naming any names, nor pointing any fingers, simply a reminder to anyone and everyone: Let's try and keep topics related to the political activities this region partakes in and what Gov personally wants to achieve should he be elected, rather than slamming him and not actually asking anything particularly relevant.

    "If someone does not extend a courtesy to you, extend it to them and watch them flounder" - Anon.
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  • Let's try and keep topics related to the political activities this region partakes in and what [the candidate] personally wants to achieve should he be elected, rather than slamming him and not actually asking anything particularly relevant.
    It would actually make for a much more pleasant atmosphere during Underhusen elections if all parties involved go according to this line of thought, and not just the people who apparently appears to be personally attacking Govindia from all directions at once as you call it.
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