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Why should we vote for you ? 

Can we confirm that you'll never ignore anyone, be it on the forum or on IRC ?

Gov click the "Vote Pengu" link for reasons to vote for Pengu...

You're cute sometimes...like with the what happens if you do/don't vote Pengu slides.

In the recent Open Assembly Amendment, we saw a lot of people vote against it without being part of the Convention process that brought it about or the subsequent discussion on how to change the amendment to more people's liking. Where do you see the problem being here, and how would you work to fix it?

You claim you're patient but that is false.

I'm sorry to say this, but if you were patient you would never ignore me when I need to speak to you, or ask you a simple question as you seemingly refuse to answer @Pengu.

I am a patient person.  I would never ignore anyone and I would answer people's questions the FIRST time and not avoid them.

Avoidance is a poor psychological way of handling things, instead of handling them directly like a mature, assertive adult.

You're cute sometimes...like with the what happens if you do/don't vote Pengu slides.

In the recent Open Assembly Amendment, we saw a lot of people vote against it without being part of the Convention process that brought it about or the subsequent discussion on how to change the amendment to more people's liking. Where do you see the problem being here, and how would you work to fix it?

Personally, I actually didn't see too much of an issue until we were discussing it in IRC and in some of the things that Weiss highlighted in his thread.  Even then, though, I support the idea of an OA...but more in the style that Wuufu pointed out that his region does...especially since it sounds as if it's doing fairly well there, and I'd want to see that same success here in Wintreath if we go through with such an option.

I think the problem I see is more in fear of being able to really express an opinion.  As the convention itself showed, there were problems deeper than the OA itself that need to be fixed.  We have some very outspoken people on here, but we also have some of the very opposite as well.  I'm not going to point out any names in respect of confidentiality, but I've spoken to people who were afraid of saying anything against the proposal because of the overwhelming support it had, and were even more hesitant to speak when the outspoken members began to speak up even more...and pretty much decided to retire their opinion for good when those same members started to get defensive when others did start to vote against it.

It's nothing against them, but if we want a successful OA, we have to be able to embrace and welcome the changes.  If something we proposed gets suddenly shot down, we have to be able to not take it so personally and be able to recover from it without becoming bitter and upset about it.  It's not easy, no, but if we DO go about the route of an OA in any form, that's going to end up being the norm since we're opening that path to anyone and everyone that wants to take part.  If we're showing that we can't handle it before the OA itself is even established, then it's going to fail, and it's going to have the opposite effect and divide us as a region...something we really don't want to happen.

You claim you're patient but that is false.

I'm sorry to say this, but if you were patient you would never ignore me when I need to speak to you, or ask you a simple question as you seemingly refuse to answer @Pengu.

I am a patient person.  I would never ignore anyone and I would answer people's questions the FIRST time and not avoid them.

Avoidance is a poor psychological way of handling things, instead of handling them directly like a mature, assertive adult.

Everything you say against someone is something that you yourself suffer.

*You say you're respectful, but you will pester and harass someone into oblivion until either they agree with you or sympathize with you.  A respectful person would ask their question, and if not met with a response would drop the topic and move on.

*You say you're patient, but going back into that first point, you will ping someone constantly and beg for likes when they don't to respond to you within seconds.  You'll also query them into oblivion, again within seconds without getting a response.  These are the exact opposite of patient approaches.  A patient person would ask their question, and then leave it alone if they don't get a response.

I'm sorry to say that you're neither of these Gov.  Let me state my reasoning for ignoring you, in detail:

*When I first joined, I tried to work with you.  I believed you were genuinely being mistreated and attempted to work with you and speak to others on your behalf.  When others would badmouth you, I even stood up for you because I believed you deserved a chance.  However, one tiny little instance completely changed that, and suddenly you went into full venom towards me and started your silly disliking post spree.

*At one point, you constantly pestered and harassed me for answers to something I directly told you countless times I wouldn't answer.  Yes, Gov, when someone tells you that they're not wanting to answer something, that's called being direct.  It's not dancing around an issue or anything, it's actually telling you to stop.  And this has been an ongoing thing with you for quite some time, and even sparked that one tiny instance mentioned above.

*At the point where I asked you and even warned you in the above mentioned area that I would take action if you continued, you still did.  See the Complaint against Govindia thread of course for the rest.

*Even in that instance, and you can ask the UH/OH at that time that I tried to be completely fair with you on that whole instance.  I went for the route that I thought would honestly be more fair to you because it would be a vote of the two different branches of government (and would have to pass in both), as well as give you a chance to appeal.  At that time, the courts were deemed the worst option because, as the trial with Chanku Vs. Myself showed to where I was picked as a judge despite being the defendant...it could have, and very well would have been unfair to you since it was seen as a literal anything-goes skewed type of deal.

*Throughout the revocation, you were nothing but vile to me, and even after talking to Tatte and backing out of it, you still remained so.  I actually had to take a leave of absence because you were being so vile and not letting up despite the fact that it was over.  Hell, you even tried to convince Wintermoot to ban me from Wintreath!

*Sometime after, we sat down and had a talk and had a brief truce where we agreed to work on our differences and trust.  And for a time we did.  However, you decided at one point to be a complete jerk once more during a completely sensitive matter and even tried to break the confidentiality of others...to the point that you kept bringing it up in the IRC without any regard of anyone in there possibly being involved in it.  You kept pressing about it in chat and in query, even after my constant asking you to drop it because it was a confidential matter.  Your response to me at one point was:

<Govindia>: You're not an admin or an interior Jarl, you're just Culture Jarl.

Which frustrated me to my very core.  I may be "just" a Culture Jarl, but my job tasks me with working to help bring people together and assure them that the place they're in is a welcoming, warm region.  When someone like you pops in and tries to be a White Knight while being completely disrespectful both in the chatroom and query, it has the complete opposite effect.  It makes people not even want to talk in the chatroom, because it's such an awkward and rude subject to even talk about.

And when you're touting about how much I said I would work on my issues (when really, it is a two way road), and then saying something like that, it's downright insulting, and I don't want to waste time talking to you.  Especially since every time I talk to you, you go off on some tangent or tantrum.  Though, when I ignored you, you still went off on some tangent/tantrum at one point about how I was mocking you.  News flash: You're on ignore Gov.  I don't see what you're saying (though I do get to see what others say, and then hear about it later).  Mocking implies that I see everything you're saying and am twisting it on you for fun.  But that's impossible when I have you on ignore and am simply having a pleasant chat with others in the room.

Again though, everything you've stated to me applies to you as well.  Harassment is piss poor way to get what you want, instead of understanding that  not everyone is required to answer you and moving on like a mature, respectful adult.

That's all I'm saying on this.  If you wish to respond, please take it to PM, as I've answered all I'm going to on this matter in my campaign thread.

Thank you.

*You say you're respectful, but you will pester and harass someone into oblivion until either they agree with you or sympathize with you.  A respectful person would ask their question, and if not met with a response would drop the topic and move on.

*You say you're patient, but going back into that first point, you will ping someone constantly and beg for likes when they don't to respond to you within seconds.  You'll also query them into oblivion, again within seconds without getting a response.  These are the exact opposite of patient approaches.  A patient person would ask their question, and then leave it alone if they don't get a response.

Yes, I have had three years of customer service experience, dealing with angry rude customers who I calmly and patiently dealt with in person and at a call centre, and only ever had to disconnect someone ONCE.

A respectful person @Pengu, would also not ignore someone, acknowledge that someone asked them a question, and if they were too busy to respond, tell them that they would get back to them later.   I asked you a simple question and waited quite a few hours before you overreacted and became passive aggressive.

*Even in that instance, and you can ask the UH/OH at that time that I tried to be completely fair with you on that whole instance.  I went for the route that I thought would honestly be more fair to you because it would be a vote of the two different branches of government (and would have to pass in both), as well as give you a chance to appeal.  At that time, the courts were deemed the worst option because, as the trial with Chanku Vs. Myself showed to where I was picked as a judge despite being the defendant...it could have, and very well would have been unfair to you since it was seen as a literal anything-goes skewed type of deal.

*Throughout the revocation, you were nothing but vile to me, and even after talking to Tatte and backing out of it, you still remained so.  I actually had to take a leave of absence because you were being so vile and not letting up despite the fact that it was over.  Hell, you even tried to convince Wintermoot to ban me from Wintreath!

Where was I vile or asked Wintermoot to ban you?  Instead of speaking to me honestly, like a mature adult, you go behind my back and pull this stunt.  You didn't have the courtesy nor decency to speak to me in private before doing so, and then realise that it was a mistake to do this and withdrew the bill. 

Was I upset?  Yes I had every right to be upset for you dragging my name and what little reputation I have, through the mud, because you were not mature enough to speak to me directly.  I had every right to blame you for that, and even I did apologise, I was still hurt and offended with such disrespect and dishonour you committed.

*Sometime after, we sat down and had a talk and had a brief truce where we agreed to work on our differences and trust.  And for a time we did.

Yeah, I tried on my end.  I had no idea what you were doing on yours, to be frank. 

However, you decided at one point to be a complete jerk once more during a completely sensitive matter and even tried to break the confidentiality of others...to the point that you kept bringing it up in the IRC without any regard of anyone in there possibly being involved in it.  You kept pressing about it in chat and in query, even after my constant asking you to drop it because it was a confidential matter.  Your response to me at one point was:

<Govindia>: You're not an admin or an interior Jarl, you're just Culture Jarl.

Which frustrated me to my very core. 

I wasn't a jerk.  I'm not just going to blindly accept when someone gets banned in an extra-judicial manner, with no due process, just because someone says so, and to trust the government.  I don't blindly trust the government, as I've had a history with people banning me without due process when due process was clearly a right I was guaranteed that places violated.   

Your handling of the situation was poor, and rudely avoiding talking to me, ignoring me, and telling me to shut up or whatever only irks my suspicion even greater.  The only one who actually gave a shit about my concerns about this matter was Nox.  She explained it to me in a calm manner, and I appreciated that.  You being the "patient person", should have done so similarly.  I would have been less irritated.

I spoke to the offender in person on my own behalf because I was their mentor and I simply wanted to see how well I could get information from him. 

However, you should not be frustrated at all by what I said.  I do not take well to people who are not admins, ops, to be telling ME what to do as if they have authority over me. 

I may be "just" a Culture Jarl, but my job tasks me with working to help bring people together and assure them that the place they're in is a welcoming, warm region.  When someone like you pops in and tries to be a White Knight while being completely disrespectful both in the chatroom and query, it has the complete opposite effect.  It makes people not even want to talk in the chatroom, because it's such an awkward and rude subject to even talk about.

The welcoming part is done by the Integration Jarl, not the Culture Jarl.  Your job is to generate material in the region to increase cultural and regional internal activity for the citizens of the region. 

I wasn't trying to be a White Knight at all, you were the one acting like a White Knight and trying to suppress people from talking about things to new people who asked.  Just because something happened that's unfortunate does not mean we sweep it under the rug and pretend it never existed.  If someone else was asking about an incident and someone else answers, you shouldn't shush them or me, only an OP if they gave a standing order for ANYONE not to talk about it.

And when you're touting about how much I said I would work on my issues (when really, it is a two way road), and then saying something like that, it's downright insulting, and I don't want to waste time talking to you.  Especially since every time I talk to you, you go off on some tangent or tantrum.  Though, when I ignored you, you still went off on some tangent/tantrum at one point about how I was mocking you.  News flash: You're on ignore Gov.  I don't see what you're saying (though I do get to see what others say, and then hear about it later).  Mocking implies that I see everything you're saying and am twisting it on you for fun.  But that's impossible when I have you on ignore and am simply having a pleasant chat with others in the room.

Again though, everything you've stated to me applies to you as well.  Harassment is piss poor way to get what you want, instead of understanding that  not everyone is required to answer you and moving on like a mature, respectful adult.

I have been working on my issues as best as I am able.  I don't know how much you have been working on yours, since there's no form of measurement able to determine that.  I've also forewarned people that March is an emotional month to me for obvious reasons, but no one seems to care about that. 

You may have me on ignore, but the way you were talking in the chat it came off as you knowing what was going on, and mocking me for it.

I wasn't trying to harass you.  I honestly asked you if you agreed with my statement in the OA Discussion thread appealing for calm, like at least six others did.  I don't see why you would not want to simply say if you agreed or disagreed with it.  Avoiding an issue, much less ignoring it when you're being questioned by a citizen on a matter that concerns a government proposal, is not a mature way to handle things.

A patient person would have said "I saw your question, I'll get back to you later on it, I don't have the energy to talk to you now about it."  You had agreed to do this when we made our "Truce", that you would make an effort to directly acknowledge things and address them at a later time if you could not then and there.

That's all I'm saying on this.  If you wish to respond, please take it to PM, as I've answered all I'm going to on this matter in my campaign thread.

Sorry, your'e a candidate for UH as much as I am, and you need to answer all the questions in a manner that the people who ask you, as well as the voters, find satisfactory.  That means not avoiding any of them.

And since you refused to speak to me via PM, I'm asking them here for you so you don't avoid them.

How can we trust you to be patient and work with everyone, including ME?  There will be a possibility, however remote, that we will have to work together in the Underhusen.

Why should I honestly vote for YOU?  What makes you a viable candidate?

What would you do differently this term?

If elected, would you resign your role as Culture Jarl and Thane of FA? 

I'm replying simply to reiterate this:

That's all I'm saying on this.  If you wish to respond, please take it to PM, as I've answered all I'm going to on this matter in my campaign thread.

Which while you have acknowledged it, you are outright refusing to respect my wishes to keep personal matters out of my campaign thread.

I won't be responding to your post, nor any post of yours afterwards, since you did not respect my wishes to keep this out of the thread and take it to PM, regardless of whether you feel I would respond to it or not.

EDIT: Any further pressing on this matter will be taken as harassment, since I've asked you to drop it in here and take it elsewhere.

Thank you.

I'm still waiting for you to fulfill your promise to be more transparent. Could you address this by audiovisual means, it's getting awfully text heavy here?

I'm still waiting for you to fulfill your promise to be more transparent. Could you address this by audiovisual means, it's getting awfully text heavy here?

I would, but the problems I had during the last election were that people were having a difficult time (Weiss comes to mind) being able to watch those audi-visual means during my campaign. 

Is there any other way I can address this for you? 

I'm replying simply to reiterate this:

That's all I'm saying on this.  If you wish to respond, please take it to PM, as I've answered all I'm going to on this matter in my campaign thread.

Which while you have acknowledged it, you are outright refusing to respect my wishes to keep personal matters out of my campaign thread.

I won't be responding to your post, nor any post of yours afterwards, since you did not respect my wishes to keep this out of the thread and take it to PM, regardless of whether you feel I would respond to it or not.

EDIT: Any further pressing on this matter will be taken as harassment, since I've asked you to drop it in here and take it elsewhere.

Thank you.

Actually it's not harassment.  I'm also a candidate for the UH and I have a right to question my fellow candidates on any subject matter, just like anyone can question me on my thread.

So stop suppressing free speech because you refuse to address an important matter.

Gov click the "Vote Pengu" link for reasons to vote for Pengu...

@BraveSirRobin, I did by the way, and my line of questioning comes from that.  He has no right to suppress my free speech when I am asking legitimate questions, and also other campaign related questions in general about his viabilty as a candidate.

Any true candidate would answer all questions from all of the citizens.

Is there any other way I can address this for you? 

Hmm, I don't know. Even your words are extremely solid. Perhaps a picture depicting how transparent you truly are?

Is there any other way I can address this for you? 

Hmm, I don't know. Even your words are extremely solid. Perhaps a picture depicting how transparent you truly are?

Well if I were to do a scale between Ghost and lead-based-items-to-avoid-Superman's-X-Ray-Vision, I'd probably be glass.  While I consider myself transparent enough to where my opinions are known and I don't tend to hide things from the public...I do have somewhat of a filter in how I present myself and partake in some actions against what I'm actually feeling.  Wanting to rant with colorful language but instead choosing to opt out and continue things pleasantly, for example.

EDIT: But also like a glass, I'm always open to learning and trying new things.

Here's a picture:



I chose one with water because of the analogy that follows...you know, the whole half-full/half-empty approach.  I let others decide what they really believe I see the glass as, but I will always say, truthfully, that I see it as half full.

I am satisfied, thank you. One last thing, could I get a piece of election propaganda as a souvenir? Doesn't have to be anything big, something like a pen or a pin would suffice.