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So... I am a big fan and supporter of familial houses and/or guilds (see signature). I was wondering what considerations Wintreath has towards already established royal/noble houses?

Though my actual name long, the "Caedus-Turn" family is my primary identity. The rest were just awarded by those other families for some sort of action.

Upon proving myself an active, dedicated member (Perhaps even by joining the Order of the Call), would I be able to establish a Caedus-Turn chapter here in Wintreath? I can give more info on the family history, current status, and current members, upon request.

Thanks!

@Raxus, any questions you have about the House system should be answered here.

@Raxus, any questions you have about the House system should be answered here.

Fantastic, thank you.

With my ennoblement, I feel the need to establish a familial house, so I'm officially registering the Noble House of Burdock.

The Noble House of
Burdock

Blazon: Vert, a griffin segreant or armed argent and langued gules
Motto: "Leading the Noble, Serving the Humble"
Family Seat: Janth

Patriarch
Lord Gerion Burdock, Duke of Wintreath and Count of Janth // Gerrick

Other Members
Redding Burdock, brother of Lord Gerion // Red Mones
Kane Burdock, son of Lord Gerion // Imaginative Kane
Vrondur Burdock, son of Redding // Vroendal
Amadeus Burdock, son of Lord Gerion // W Amadeus
Melehan

The House of Caesar


Patriarch:
Tiberius Caesar

Other Members
None at present

Home Link:
Will be created later

You technically have just reached the 100 post requirement, but literally half of your posts consist of posting the numbers 1-52 consecutively in a single thread which you created yourself (amusingly, the "literally" is literally true right now, since you currently have 52x2=104 posts). Furthermore, you have regularly double- and triple-posted many times since you joined the forums two days ago, when simple edits would have sufficed.

While this may not necessarily be intentional bolstering of post count, it is certainly suspicious. But regardless of whether this house request was done in good faith, it's still obviously an unintended result of spam posts (and double/triple/etc. posts) adding to the post count.

As such, I strongly advise Wintermoot to deny this request for formal recognition, at least for the time being.

I cite Decree 004: "
Recognition of Houses
1) Citizens of Wintreath who head a familial house in the region and have at least 100 posts on the regional forums shall have the right to formally request recognition of their House by the Government of Wintreath. The Monarch or his designee shall have the authority to approve or deny requests for recognition, and shall maintain a public record of all currently recognized Houses."

I have met all requirements in the Monarchs decree.
If we let the personal whims of members get in the way of regulation and law what kind of region -or any region for that matter- would we be?
Whether or not any post count has a significant amount of spam, the count still shows a high level of activity and contribution.
Trying to get the Monarchy to go back on its long standing word isn't a good idea anywhere.

The Decree doesn't mention any lengths of time.

Again I have followed the present rule to the letter and any other requirement- obviously not in the Decree- would be an unfair double standard.

I do realize the House existence is partly reliant on my Citizenship status. I can assure the Sovereign that I have no plans in vacating my status in the long term.

I hope Wintermoot honors the current application.

Technically, no post has ever been approved or denied in this topic. In fact, several people have posted houses in this topic in the past who do not meet the post requirement without complaint. Between these two facts, I see no reason to "deny" the request.

However, the house system has long been neglected in the region, so it may be time to re-examine the requirements for the future. I know at one point I was considering requiring a house to have several Citizens in it before it could register.

Technically, no post has ever been approved or denied in this topic. In fact, several people have posted houses in this topic in the past who do not meet the post requirement without complaint. Between these two facts, I see no reason to "deny" the request.

However, the house system has long been neglected in the region, so it may be time to re-examine the requirements for the future. I know at one point I was considering requiring a house to have several Citizens in it before it could register.

Thank you your Majesty.

I think that to be fair to all the new decree shouldn't be retroactive and that the current Houses be grandfathered in. However that is entirely up to you.

Thank you

I cite Decree 004: "
Recognition of Houses
1) Citizens of Wintreath who head a familial house in the region and have at least 100 posts on the regional forums shall have the right to formally request recognition of their House by the Government of Wintreath. The Monarch or his designee shall have the authority to approve or deny requests for recognition, and shall maintain a public record of all currently recognized Houses."
... [quoted later]
I have met all requirements in the Monarchs decree.
If we let the personal whims of members get in the way of regulation and law what kind of region -or any region for that matter- would we be?

The decree also states that the Monarch is allowed to deny a request. Furthermore:

7) The Monarch may revoke recognition of a House for any reason

Which implies that he could also do the same when deciding whether to accept a request. Wintermoot wouldn't be going back on his word by denying a request, the decree itself allows him to do so should he wish.

Whether or not any post count has a significant amount of spam, the count still shows a high level of activity and contribution.

Counting up 50 numbers on your own isn't really activity or contribution though. When the only limit on how much you can post is the 5-second limit built into the forum, upping your post count in that way is about as difficult as a clicker game.

That said, you definitely have been quite active active in the forums, and it's wonderful to see someone so excited in getting involved in the community; it just seems kinda disingenuous to do this nearly the instant you reach 100 posts when half of them were just spam, and not even part of a multiplayer spam game.

Again I have followed the present rule to the letter and any other requirement- obviously not in the Decree- would be an unfair double standard.

My thoughts were that while you may have followed the letter of the requirement, you may not have necessarily followed the spirit of it. And as I said earlier, should Wintermoot believe that to be the case, he could certainly deny the request on those grounds.

Of course, he's decided to allow the house to be recognized, and I see little reason to oppose that interpretation, given that familial houses are unimportant in Wintreath, having no use beyond RP (and even then, the only house-based RP never took off), and also that he wrote the decree himself, so he probably knows what he wrote best.

Technically, no post has ever been approved or denied in this topic.

That's actually an interesting point... technically, no houses have been officially recognized by Wintreath, arguably.

In fact, several people have posted houses in this topic in the past who do not meet the post requirement without complaint.

That's mostly because those people withdrew their requests after being made aware of the post requirements, so there wasn't a need to ask you to make a judgement in that regard. While here, Tiberius was already aware of the post requirements, having cited it himself.

However, the house system has long been neglected in the region, so it may be time to re-examine the requirements for the future. I know at one point I was considering requiring a house to have several Citizens in it before it could register.

Yeah, there's definitely things that could be done, but it's probably a lower-priority thing given how little houses contribute to Wintreath (unless the reform changes that in some way or allows potential for that).

Is it okay if I make a house where all of the members are equal?  Is it also okay if there is no crest for the house?

Is it okay if I make a house where all of the members are equal?  Is it also okay if there is no crest for the house?

According to Decree 004, Section 3:

2) Upon approval of the request, the person that made the request shall be considered the Patriarch or Matriarch or the House, and will be responsible for maintaining any records of membership and family links within their House.

So legally, a Government-recognized house will have a patriarch/matriarch and is responsible for maintaining the familial records for Wintreath. Although, nothing says the patriarch/matriarch needs to have any authority within the family itself, aside from what is needed. You can read Decree 004 here

Keep in mind you can form your own house without having government recognition, it just can't become a noble house or anything. Although I'm not entirely sure you understand the concept or purpose of 'houses', houses are a part of the NS Family thing, which is a weirder RP thing. Houses are just what each individual family is called, at least in Wintreath. As such most titles and positions are just for fun and RP purposes. (To be fair I know many people in NS that aren't familiar with this, and I can't recall your background in NS outside of Wintreath atm)

EDIT: Also no family here has a crest that I know of.

If this family stuff is something similar to the kind of family stuff that happened in England and Europe with say House of York and Lancaster than disregard my statement of interest.

If this family stuff is something similar to the kind of family stuff that happened in England and Europe with say House of York and Lancaster than disregard my statement of interest.

If you mean like rivalry, no it's not really like that. It's just kind of a way to formalize friendly ties between people. And sometime in the future, we may be starting an official RP in the world of Wintreath that uses Houses, so there's also that. It's mostly just a social thing.

I'm not sure of my house status, exactly. I was a member of the Meindhert house, but the two other members of the house (Weissreich, Amalya) have since gone inactive. I suppose you could say that the house is technically still alive since both of those members are Paragons, but for all practical purposes I'm the only surviving member.

However, as I'm not the Patriarch and haven't inherited the title (yet), I don't have the authority to dissolve the house. I've removed my house affiliation from my user profile for now.

I'm not sure of my house status, exactly. I was a member of the Meindhert house, but the two other members of the house (Weissreich, Amalya) have since gone inactive. I suppose you could say that the house is technically still alive since both of those members are Paragons, but for all practical purposes I'm the only surviving member.

However, as I'm not the Patriarch and haven't inherited the title (yet), I don't have the authority to dissolve the house. I've removed my house affiliation from my user profile for now.

Yeah, according to Decree 004: Regarding Recognition of Familial Houses:
"In the event that the Patriarch or Matriarch of a House becomes a non-Citizen, the House shall have the right to choose its next head according to its own customs and processes," and
"A House shall lose recognition if it no longer has any members which are Citizens of Wintreath."
Paragons are still citizens according to The Citizenship and Demonym Act, so the House of Meindhert is still a recognized house (plus you're a citizen). And so, yeah, it can't really be dissolved unless Weissreich, as the Patriarch, comes back and chooses to dissolve it or Wintermoot does so (but I don't think he will).

Did you want me to remove you from the Meindhert House roster, or were you just letting everyone know that you were personally choosing to remove the name from your profile?