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Emoticonius
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  • I agree with aoe.
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    7:42 PM <Govindia> eh, i like the taste of nuts in my mouth



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  • I would like to chime in and say that legally speaking, only the Chairman of the Overhusen can declassify documents containing the Overhusen members only. The Speaker was stripped of the authority to 'fill in' procedure when there wasn't/isn't. So legally, the UH can't even declassify their documents. Besides we do technically need a law to allow the declassification of join-discussions, which is the point of the subforum.
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  • Well, the way I see it the 2 best options are either:

    1.) Leave it at the discretion of the monarch.
    2.) Draft a law that covers both the UH and the OH, requiring either everything to be declassified after the terms end or some bureaucratic/democratic process involving voting between members of the UH & OH respectively.

    Although maybe things from the private forum could be declassified via a summary of each discussion.
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    7:42 PM <Govindia> eh, i like the taste of nuts in my mouth



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  • It can't be at the monarch's discretion though...it's illegal for the monarch to really do anything in that regard. This is due to Article II, Section 6 of the Fundamental Laws, which reads:

    Quote from: Fundamental Laws: Article II - Section 6
    6. The Monarch shall have the authority to issue decrees in relation to policies concerning the internal affairs of the Executive, the military, foreign affairs, familial houses, the nobility, and any other Executive authority which has been expressly granted through this document or any relevant laws.

    The declassification of Storting material has not been granted to the Monarch as an executive power. Therefore we would have to pass a law to do so. Technically it would fall under the Administrator (whom is the same as the Monarch, but when talking in legal discussions you should make the distinction between the two). However the Administrator's power would only be to move topics, and what not. The Administrator would have no authority over the actual status of the Documents, which is what this is about.
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  • Then we know what our options are. So now that we know how we all feel about the matter, let's put that into action and get some work done. :)
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    7:42 PM <Govindia> eh, i like the taste of nuts in my mouth



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  • Then we know what our options are. So now that we know how we all feel about the matter, let's put that into action and get some work done. :)
    I will respond to this later today.  I have been a bit behind on things since the hospitalisation. 

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    Title
    1. This shall be titled the Declassification of Private Storting
        Discussion Procedure Act

    Procedure
    2. All other discussions are to be classified until 30 minutes
        before the end of the Session. During that time the
        Speaker of the Underhusen and the Chairman of the
        Overhusen shall release all classified documents.

    How about this? Just a simple little law to allow this to be done.
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    Title
    1. This shall be titled the Declassification of Private Storting
        Discussion Procedure Act

    Procedure
    2. All other discussions are to be classified until 30 minutes
        before the end of the Session. During that time the
        Speaker of the Underhusen and the Chairman of the
        Overhusen shall release all classified documents.

    How about this? Just a simple little law to allow this to be done.
    I'll add my revisions later.  gotta head out for a bit

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  • I like it Chanku. :)
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  • I'm glad to see we're not over complicating things now. :)

    I apologize for my absence. I shoul be able to be more active now.
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  • I'd like to at least here what the other members of The Storting think of Chanku's draft. I figured Gov would have gotten around to responding to it by now, but that's fine. I'm sure he's been busy. Since this thing affects both the UH and the OH, I figure both should express their opinions here, but if the OH would rather wait to discuss it amongst themselves after the UH sends it their way that'd be understandable.
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    7:42 PM <Govindia> eh, i like the taste of nuts in my mouth



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    Title
    1. This shall be titled the Declassification of Private Storting
    Discussion Procedure Act

    Procedure
    2. All other discussions are to be classified until 30 minutes
    before the end of the Session. During that time the
    Speaker of the Underhusen and the Chairman of the
    Overhusen shall release all classified documents.

    How about this? Just a simple little law to allow this to be done.

    Aren't we forgetting something?

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    Title
    1. This shall be titled the Declassification of Private Storting Discussion Procedure Act

    Procedure
    2. All discussions are to be classified until 30 minutes before the end of the Session. During that time the Speaker of the Underhusen and the Chairman of the Overhusen shall release all classified documents.

    3. The Monarch, Speaker of the Underhusen and Chairman of the Overhusen reserve the power to classify discussions beyond the end of a Session. The same can be done by a two thirds majority vote within the Storting.
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  • Sorry, I realise simply sitting in silence is no use to anyone, I've just been trying to avoid embarrassing myself, yeah not very good..

    Anyway personally I like Chanku's proposal there, it is short and to the point, while also covering most areas. It doesnt mention certain posts being withheld for any reason though and that seemed to be something that might be useful, so then another law would be needed to allow that, but that seems inefficient, to me at least.
    In which case it might be more prudent to attempt to add something to this: a second part potentially allowing things that are sensitive or still ongoing to remain private past the time laid out here.

    I hope I managed to lay out my thought process well enough there...

    Edit: damn, was on my phone didn't see anyone else had posted, I like Laurentus' altered version... I'll leave this here anyways...
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  • And what shall be done when we're discussing revoking one's citizenship? Shall we write them a PM notifying them of this and the initial reasons for doing so?
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  • And what shall be done when we're discussing revoking one's citizenship? Shall we write them a PM notifying them of this and the initial reasons for doing so?

    That's out of the scope of this. It's possible if you wish, however the bill should really just be simple...So this is what emerged.
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