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I will be replying to some of the other comments others made now, if that's ok

Chanku, you said:

I believe GRA is valuable due to the fact that it is an older region which is being rebooted. As they are an older region they have more of a history and they might be able to help us at times when needed.

While the GRA is indeed an older region, they thrive off of trolling and internet drama.  They are argumentative, and as I've seen as of late, they will engage in troll-style debates and be openly hostile to people they do not like.  While they are an older region and have been helpful to an extent as defenders, their nature and attitude isn't going to help Wintreath and I would not support any treaties with them until they improve their ability to show respect to others.

Horse said:

Like I stated in Harry's thread

"Forum embassies are irrelevant, to be quite honest, except for posting FA updates and announcing things, all of which could be done in another manner. What really keeps relationships alive is personal communication between the governments/leaders of the regions/orgs. "

I think forums will only be used because
A)Customization on other forums/platforms is much better then NS
B)Some people like forums more then NS

We could partake in more festivals, events ( R/D, gaming, etc.), etc. with our allies, and even enemies. This is a game, and even those who are on different sides should partake in some fun every once in awhile.

This I wholeheartedly support, as well as the rest of his statement in that post

Chanku, here you said:

I disagree, Osiris is well Osiris, Cormac is out of the region, and I"m not sure about the others(I don't keep up with Osiris information), however Osiris is somewhat unstable as it has no founder. However we have an active founder, and we also have a treaty with Lazurus that will protect us. I think we should look into opening some form of relations with them as they might prove to be a good ally later, however we should not sign a treaty or anything with them until later.

All the sinkers and GCRs have no founder.  Lazarus has been more stable in that regardless of the regime, they have always stayed as a reliable defender region.  Osiris has always leaned between Raider and Imperialist Raider, and is now leaning mainly Imperialist.  I do not trust Osiris, especially under the OFO regime.  Any ties with them will be negative, and any treaty with them will probably also not be positive for Wintreath's interests.

I don't think you could say any GCR is completely stable...except for perhaps The Pacific.

Lazarus - Recent attempted coup by Griffin Somerset
The South Pacific - Claims of Escade being an Empire plant, recent administration conflicts, Article 9 debate
Osiris - Anemic delegate endorsement rate, semi-permanent need for foreign support, persecution and exodus of defenders

In any case, a follow up question to those that named Spiritus as our most valuable diplomatic partner...how do you juxtapose that opinion with the fact that Wintreath broke away from Spiritus, and has many Citizens who decided to leave that region?

You forgot Balder, The East Pacific, and The North Pacific, as well as TWP.  Those regions are for the most part relatively stable.  TNP and TWP has autocratic oligarchies there and for the most part hasn't been a coup in TWP in a while, and in TNP since the Crimson Order.  People are tired of coups there and want governments who can offer stability, much like in Balder and TEP.

Spiritus, while we have differences with them that have caused many to come here instead, do have some cultural ties with us that are in common.  The need for community, for people to get involved with their region in RP and games, or movie/game nights, etc.   If anything, we should at least set up a cultural treaty and exchange with them at first, celebrate our commonalities as well as our diversity.  Then we can go from there after the other social drama dies down.

I will be replying to some of the other comments others made now, if that's ok

Chanku, you said:

I believe GRA is valuable due to the fact that it is an older region which is being rebooted. As they are an older region they have more of a history and they might be able to help us at times when needed.

While the GRA is indeed an older region, they thrive off of trolling and internet drama.  They are argumentative, and as I've seen as of late, they will engage in troll-style debates and be openly hostile to people they do not like.  While they are an older region and have been helpful to an extent as defenders, their nature and attitude isn't going to help Wintreath and I would not support any treaties with them until they improve their ability to show respect to others.

Govindia that's rather sterotypical, you can't judge an entire region based upon a group of people or a person, it's like saying that everyone in wintreath is like Wintermoot, Daws, Charax, Alt, or you. To be honest this is not something that I would look for in a Jarl of Foreign Affairs.

Chanku, here you said:

I disagree, Osiris is well Osiris, Cormac is out of the region, and I"m not sure about the others(I don't keep up with Osiris information), however Osiris is somewhat unstable as it has no founder. However we have an active founder, and we also have a treaty with Lazurus that will protect us. I think we should look into opening some form of relations with them as they might prove to be a good ally later, however we should not sign a treaty or anything with them until later.

All the sinkers and GCRs have no founder.  Lazarus has been more stable in that regardless of the regime, they have always stayed as a reliable defender region.  Osiris has always leaned between Raider and Imperialist Raider, and is now leaning mainly Imperialist.  I do not trust Osiris, especially under the OFO regime.  Any ties with them will be negative, and any treaty with them will probably also not be positive for Wintreath's interests.

Ahem, I said later in the future, obviously not right away. I think we CAN be allies through embassies, but not apart of an alliance, at least at this time. Again Osiris is rather....interesting however having diplomatic ties with them now could result in benifits later. If we don't look at long term, then we can not move forward as region. If we look at the current situtation of a region and then look at long term possibilties as well. I feel like you are NOT looking at long term and you are only focusing on the here and now.

I don't think you could say any GCR is completely stable...except for perhaps The Pacific.

Lazarus - Recent attempted coup by Griffin Somerset
The South Pacific - Claims of Escade being an Empire plant, recent administration conflicts, Article 9 debate
Osiris - Anemic delegate endorsement rate, semi-permanent need for foreign support, persecution and exodus of defenders

In any case, a follow up question to those that named Spiritus as our most valuable diplomatic partner...how do you juxtapose that opinion with the fact that Wintreath broke away from Spiritus, and has many Citizens who decided to leave that region?

You forgot Balder, The East Pacific, and The North Pacific, as well as TWP.  Those regions are for the most part relatively stable.  TNP and TWP has autocratic oligarchies there and for the most part hasn't been a coup in TWP in a while, and in TNP since the Crimson Order.  People are tired of coups there and want governments who can offer stability, much like in Balder and TEP.

Not everyone is tired of coups, some people in regions might be tired of them, but in reality not everyone is. Coup d'etats are going to happen all the time, and those that perform the coups do not give a shit about how other people feel at times.

Spiritus, while we have differences with them that have caused many to come here instead, do have some cultural ties with us that are in common.  The need for community, for people to get involved with their region in RP and games, or movie/game nights, etc.   If anything, we should at least set up a cultural treaty and exchange with them at first, celebrate our commonalities as well as our diversity.  Then we can go from there after the other social drama dies down.

I don't think we should go beyond embassies at this time, the region is not in the best position at the moment and as such a treaty could HARM Wintreath in several ways. Not only that but there are several Wintreans who do not like Spiritus, and would rather not have a treaty with them. Maybe in the future we can, however while we must look at the long term, we must look at the short term and Spiritus is not stable enough for the likes. Although keep in mind what I say about Spiritus is just what I hear and I have no actually knowledge of Spiritus events or Spritian Politics.

Govindia that's rather sterotypical, you can't judge an entire region based upon a group of people or a person, it's like saying that everyone in wintreath is like Wintermoot, Daws, Charax, Alt, or you. To be honest this is not something that I would look for in a Jarl of Foreign Affairs.

Having diplomatic relations with them, I don't mind, but having treaties is something different.  I've been in at least two regions where I've seen their ambassadors behave in an undiplomatic and abrasive way, and while I agree that one person doesn't represent an entire region, the fact that a region doesn't make an attempt to teach their ambassadors tact, diplomacy, and civility is a bit of concern.

Ahem, I said later in the future, obviously not right away. I think we CAN be allies through embassies, but not apart of an alliance, at least at this time. Again Osiris is rather....interesting however having diplomatic ties with them now could result in benifits later. If we don't look at long term, then we can not move forward as region. If we look at the current situtation of a region and then look at long term possibilties as well. I feel like you are NOT looking at long term and you are only focusing on the here and now.

Osiris has been around for at least one or two years.  I have not seen them change their stance for the most part military wise.  Things seem to have been hostile under the OFO and while I do agree with you that long term prospects may change, we have to focus on the current situation at the moment.  Maybe things will change, who knows.  The future is too difficult to tell unfortunately.

Not everyone is tired of coups, some people in regions might be tired of them, but in reality not everyone is. Coup d'etats are going to happen all the time, and those that perform the coups do not give a shit about how other people feel at times.

Coups d'etat will happen, but the majority would not want a coup because it's a form of instability and will lead to possible opportunism by groups out there who want to take advantage of the power vacuum.  While the people who lead those coups may not care, there are people in those regions who want stable, legally elected governments.  That's why the people revolted against Milograd's coup in The South Pacific, why people overthrew the Crimson Order in The North Pacific, with The Empire in The East Pacific, and so forth.

I don't think we should go beyond embassies at this time, the region is not in the best position at the moment and as such a treaty could HARM Wintreath in several ways. Not only that but there are several Wintreans who do not like Spiritus, and would rather not have a treaty with them. Maybe in the future we can, however while we must look at the long term, we must look at the short term and Spiritus is not stable enough for the likes. Although keep in mind what I say about Spiritus is just what I hear and I have no actually knowledge of Spiritus events or Spritian Politics.

I understand.

I actually appreciate and enjoy this exchange Chanku. 

I do think at the very least, a cultural treaty/exchange should help to break the ice, once the social drama calms down.  It wouldn't have anything to do with being an ally or military ties, and at the very least would help to heal the rift between Spiritus-Wintreath relations

Govindia that's rather sterotypical, you can't judge an entire region based upon a group of people or a person, it's like saying that everyone in wintreath is like Wintermoot, Daws, Charax, Alt, or you. To be honest this is not something that I would look for in a Jarl of Foreign Affairs.

Having diplomatic relations with them, I don't mind, but having treaties is something different.  I've been in at least two regions where I've seen their ambassadors behave in an undiplomatic and abrasive way, and while I agree that one person doesn't represent an entire region, the fact that a region doesn't make an attempt to teach their ambassadors tact, diplomacy, and civility is a bit of concern.

Keep in mind Gov you do have a bit of a negative reputation in the NS community. However I do not think it's the region's responsibility to teach them to be kind, although while they should probably remove them from service as that's not what is to be expected of an ambassador.

Ahem, I said later in the future, obviously not right away. I think we CAN be allies through embassies, but not apart of an alliance, at least at this time. Again Osiris is rather....interesting however having diplomatic ties with them now could result in benifits later. If we don't look at long term, then we can not move forward as region. If we look at the current situtation of a region and then look at long term possibilties as well. I feel like you are NOT looking at long term and you are only focusing on the here and now.

Osiris has been around for at least one or two years.  I have not seen them change their stance for the most part military wise.  Things seem to have been hostile under the OFO and while I do agree with you that long term prospects may change, we have to focus on the current situation at the moment.  Maybe things will change, who knows.  The future is too difficult to tell unfortunately.

Again having an embassy might help us, keep in mind that Osiris is unstable so the region would most likely have to make sure the citizens are happy in order to try and prevent a coup. However having embassies now and maybe a treaty later is, what I believe, one of the better Ideas.

Not everyone is tired of coups, some people in regions might be tired of them, but in reality not everyone is. Coup d'etats are going to happen all the time, and those that perform the coups do not give a shit about how other people feel at times.

Coups d'etat will happen, but the majority would not want a coup because it's a form of instability and will lead to possible opportunism by groups out there who want to take advantage of the power vacuum.  While the people who lead those coups may not care, there are people in those regions who want stable, legally elected governments.  That's why the people revolted against Milograd's coup in The South Pacific, why people overthrew the Crimson Order in The North Pacific, with The Empire in The East Pacific, and so forth.

I don't think we should go beyond embassies at this time, the region is not in the best position at the moment and as such a treaty could HARM Wintreath in several ways. Not only that but there are several Wintreans who do not like Spiritus, and would rather not have a treaty with them. Maybe in the future we can, however while we must look at the long term, we must look at the short term and Spiritus is not stable enough for the likes. Although keep in mind what I say about Spiritus is just what I hear and I have no actually knowledge of Spiritus events or Spritian Politics.

I understand.

I actually appreciate and enjoy this exchange Chanku. 

I do think at the very least, a cultural treaty/exchange should help to break the ice, once the social drama calms down.  It wouldn't have anything to do with being an ally or military ties, and at the very least would help to heal the rift between Spiritus-Wintreath relations

That will not occur, if anything we might loose people, a cultural treaty might backfire on our culture, and an exchange has a chance of upsetting several citizens, while the FA position is to keep up relations with other regions, we also have to keep in mind that Wintreath is a high priority, and we need to be careful over who we go beyond embassies with. At this time I do not feel like anything beyond an embassy with Spiritus is a good idea.

Keep in mind Gov you do have a bit of a negative reputation in the NS community. However I do not think it's the region's responsibility to teach them to be kind, although while they should probably remove them from service as that's not what is to be expected of an ambassador.

Every region that sends their ambassadors out to various regions has a expectation of making sure ambassadors behave and act properly, and that means conducting themselves towards another region's citizens.  I'm sure that if some ambassador from one of the regions that has ties with us was very rude and abrasive to people here, there would be an issue.  Ambassadors should respect the local laws and culture of the region they're dealing with, much like ambassadors to other countries IRL.

Again having an embassy might help us, keep in mind that Osiris is unstable so the region would most likely have to make sure the citizens are happy in order to try and prevent a coup. However having embassies now and maybe a treaty later is, what I believe, one of the better Ideas.

I would consider an embassy if Raven answers the question Wintermoot asked of him, making a case for his region.  It's basically up to Raven to convince us why having an embassy would be a good idea.  I look forward to his response.

That will not occur, if anything we might loose people, a cultural treaty might backfire on our culture, and an exchange has a chance of upsetting several citizens, while the FA position is to keep up relations with other regions, we also have to keep in mind that Wintreath is a high priority, and we need to be careful over who we go beyond embassies with. At this time I do not feel like anything beyond an embassy with Spiritus is a good idea.

Neither of us will know that we would lose people from a proposed cultural treaty/exchange.  I didn't say a cultural treaty should happen immediately,  It should be something that should be considered later down the line, when as I said, the drama dies down.  I agree that at the moment we should stick to embassy relations, but further down, we should consider trying to break the ice and heal things.  I hope you understand what I mean.

Just as a footnote, I should note that it now appears Cormac is back in Osiris, apparently at the request of its Pharaoh.

But enough about Spiritus, onto another topic. As you know, Charax was our first Jarl of Foreign Affairs. What do you feel his legacy in the office is, and where do/did you specifically agree or disagree with him on foreign affairs issues?

Also, I will try to have an internal affairs debate up tonight. Sorry for the delay, I've been rather busy and drained as of late.

I'm rather tired so I'll respond to moot for the time being

Just as a footnote, I should note that it now appears Cormac is back in Osiris, apparently at the request of its Pharaoh.

And with that I will say this, we should not form any diplomatic relations with Osiris until Cormac leaves and all ties with him are cut.

But enough about Spiritus, onto another topic. As you know, Charax was our first Jarl of Foreign Affairs. What do you feel his legacy in the office is, and where do/did you specifically agree or disagree with him on foreign affairs issues?

To be honest I think his legacy is the entire Foreign Affairs Department. He was the first Jarl and I will try to follow in his image. However I will admit until recently I haven't looked that much into his stances on foreign affairs issues.

Firstly allow me to retract my comments made about the GRA.  I apologise if they offended some.  I believe Wintreath should have a variety of options when choosing allies.

Secondly, Osiris is still too hostile for us, and has allowed Cormac to return.  I do not think it is wise for us to have diplomatic ties with their current stance (in how they persecute defenders), and welcome Cormac.

THirdly, Charax was the Foreign Ministry here.  Establishing the Treaty with Lazarus and getting all our embassies with regions that we have, is indeed a big legacy to fill.  As he was the first Jarl, I will try to continue his legacy and his good work, in as best as I am able