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[DISCUSSION] Wintreath Symbols Act
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Katie
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    Title
    1. This act is to be cited as the Wintreath Symbols Act.

    Symbols
    2. The colors of Wintreath are as follows: Veturnótt Blue [#022549], White, Summersend Gold [#FAC914], and Black.
    3. The regional animal is the Arctic Fox.
    4. The regional bot is Zaphyr.

    Flag
    5. The Flag of the Government of Wintreath is as follows: A field parted per fess Azure and Argent with an Or Nordic Cross and a Sable Dormant Tree placed center of the bottom section of the Nordic Cross. The aspect ratio is 2:3. The flag uses the colors of Wintreath as outlined in section 2.
    6. It is recommended that the Flag of Wintreath (or a flag using the Flag of Wintreath as its Canton) be flown above territories of Wintreath.
    7. No person or non-territory may fly the Wintreath flag, or have it within a Canton without permission from the Monarch or his/her designee.
    8. Any rendering of the flag that complies with the description of Section 5 of this act is to be considered a Wintreath Flag.

    Quote from: Chanku; 31st Term
    This act mainly sets forth some Symbols and also officials defines a flag and a code, I do plan for this act to cover other things as well (other symbols and seals of the region), but we don't have many of those right now.
    Quote from: Katie
    I’m reintroducing this act to the Underhusen for consideration, in light of Gerrick’s announcement of the official regional animal as decided by the people of Wintreath. Additionally, I made quite a few of my edits to this legislation.

    Okay, NOW it's appropriate to ping the Overhusen :P

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    for the Overhusen's convenience.
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    « Last Edit: March 17, 2019, 03:31:51 AM by Katie »
    Lady Katherine Ostergaard
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  • I am actually highly against the codification of the colors as specific hex codes, at least for the law. No country (or region AFAIK) actually marks the specific hex codes because they might change the colors slightly over time for one reason or another.

    We also don't need to specify the exact shades because we HAVE examples of the flag and colors to use, and Wintermoot generally sets the exact shades and colors regardless, which allows for some flexibility.

    I oppose this act as it stands with the modifications on colors
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    « Last Edit: March 05, 2019, 02:15:07 AM by Chanku »
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  • Section 5 has been modified to reflect the following change:
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    5. The Flag of the Government of Wintreath is as follows: A field parted per fess Azure and Argent with an Or Nordic Cross and a Sable Dormant Tree placed center of the bottom section of the Nordic Cross. The aspect ratio is 2:3. The flag uses the colors of Wintreath as outlined in section 2.

    Section 8 has been modified to reflect the following change:
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    8. Any rendering of the flag that complies with the description of Section 2 5 of this act is to be considered a Wintreath Flag.
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    « Last Edit: March 05, 2019, 02:49:42 AM by Katie »
    Lady Katherine Ostergaard
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  • As I said on Discord, I personally don't see anything wrong or controversial with the Storting setting symbols. It doesn't require people to use those symbols, it just states that they are regional symbols.

    I think what may be more problematic are the provisions about the flag. Does the Storting have the right to set the flag and actually demand its use? The current flag was adopted during the brief period before the Fundamental Laws was adopted when the Founder held all power, and the issue has never came up since. Also, does the Storting have the right to demand that future vassals in particular fly the Wintreath flag? Vassals are technically Wintrean territories but have certain rights to self-governance as established by treaty. I'm personally uncertain on these issues, but don't feel that territories outside Wintreath should be compelled to use our flag if their communities don't want to.
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    Katie
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  • As I said on Discord, I personally don't see anything wrong or controversial with the Storting setting symbols. It doesn't require people to use those symbols, it just states that they are regional symbols.

    I think what may be more problematic are the provisions about the flag. Does the Storting have the right to set the flag and actually demand its use? The current flag was adopted during the brief period before the Fundamental Laws was adopted when the Founder held all power, and the issue has never came up since. Also, does the Storting have the right to demand that future vassals in particular fly the Wintreath flag? Vassals are technically Wintrean territories but have certain rights to self-governance as established by treaty. I'm personally uncertain on these issues, but don't feel that territories outside Wintreath should be compelled to use our flag if their communities don't want to.

    As I said in the discord, perhaps we could change the wording so that it is recommended that vassal regions adopt it, and then mandate how they are to adopt it should they choose to do so.
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  • The only issue I see happening with this, would be that if we want to do an overhaul of the look that Wintreath has for whatever reason, this could allow someone Chanku to rules lawyer and be like, we have to pass a law first. But I honestly doubt he or anyone would bother.

    We don't need official legislation for this stuff, but I see the fun side of having it listed as official.
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  • Based on the prior discussion I'm making the following change, with removed portions in strikeout and new portions underlined.

    Section 6 is changed to read:
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    6. It is recommended that the Flag of Wintreath (or a flag using the Flag of Wintreath as its Canton) must be flown above territories of Wintreath. This does not apply ex post facto.

    Is there any additional discussion on this? Anybody in the Overhusen that's on the fence or in the nay camp due to something in the bill?
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    Lady Katherine Ostergaard
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      • Fmr. Officer of Information in the 29th-34th Sessions of the Underhusen
      • Fmr. Speaker Pro Tempore in the 33rd Underhusen
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