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Crushita
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  • Aside from the gender issue (but coincidentally dovetailing with it), I've been wondering lately if we should develop custom titles for our region. I've been playing some Dragon Age lately, and I like how Ferelden has its own unique titles such as Teyrn, Arl, and Bann. It'd be interesting to create unique titles and perhaps an unique feudal culture to go with it, but I feel that the scope of that would be beyond just amending this Act.

    Since you brought it up, I got interested, did a bit of research, and though its only marginally relevant to the act in question, I shall put what I think about us having our own titles none the less:

    Since Wintreath is vaguely Scandinavian themed I thought it might be best to take from those nations. Specifically Norway though, because I like Norway.

    Titles:
    Hertog(Norwegian for Duke)
    Markis (Norwegian for Marquis)
    Jarl (Obvious)
    Lendmann(Closest thing to Baron the Norweigans had, the highest rank attainable by a man in the Kings Hird, which was made of a sort of mash-up of knight/court offical kind of people, they were later made actual Barons when the title was abolished. Then they just abolished Barons in general!)
    Skutilsveinr(Literally Tableman, the equivalent of a Knight)

    On the debate at hand, I think amending it to Lordship/Ladyship is the best option, people may choose which to use.
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    Justinian Ezkantion
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  • Not in Britain, which is where the language we're all speaking comes from. It's Princess Consort to them. Thus, your argument is based purely on translations into English of foreign titles for the spouses of rulers.
    Uh...you're mistaken on that front. It has always been 'Queen'. What you're thinking of is Camilla whats-her-face saying she would be Princess Consort instead of Queen for some ridiculous reason (it's morganatic, so maybe that's it; alternatively it might just be more of the same reasoning that she would be Duchess of Cornwall rather than Princess of Wales) should Charles become King, which is not happening anyway because it's William and Catherine who will be King and Queen of England.
    I'd also point out the fact that while a woman is at least styled a peeress if she marries a peer, the same is not true for a man marrying a peeress, but that's marginally less relevant and merely highlights that it does seem that there is however infinitesimally lower a step down from the male to the female stylings, which, in fairness, was probably the case thanks to Salic law in Europe and would probably not be quite so much the case today.

    In any event, yeah, I think Lordship/Ladyship as they desire is preferable. Should people prefer a gender-neutral term, I'm sure nobody would object to being called 'Your Dudeness'. /s
    Uggh, god dammit Camilla I don't even give a shit about Diana and you're making it hard for me to like you :P
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  • If we decide to make this change, I'll have to write up another bill later since the other 4 correctional bills are almost at vote.
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  • If we decide to make this change, I'll have to write up another bill later since the other 4 correctional bills are almost at vote.
    I think it works either way. After all, this isn't exactly a grammar fix...
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  • With our grammatical bills out of the way, I think this is the perfect time to bring this topic back into circulation.
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  • Proposal: 

    Avoid this whole discussion and make it "Excellency."

    Like UK ministers and stuff. 
    Sir Robin of Camelot

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    (I stole this format from tau, but who am I not to copy a great system? :-) )

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  • Proposal: 

    Avoid this whole discussion and make it "Excellency."

    Like UK ministers and stuff.
    Um no, "Your Excellency" is a title generally only given to foreign dignitaries, such as ambassadors or visiting heads of state/government. For instance, the Prime Minister is addressed as "Prime Minister" when in the country, but "Your Excellency" when abroad. (The same goes for the POTUS; "Mr. President" in the US and "Your Excellency" outside of it.)
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  • then use some other honorific
    'your dudeness'
    'your dopeness'
    'pal'
    'buddy'
    'guy'

    actually 'your buddyship' would be hilarious
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  • Proposal: 

    Avoid this whole discussion and make it "Excellency."

    Like UK ministers and stuff.
    Um no, "Your Excellency" is a title generally only given to foreign dignitaries, such as ambassadors or visiting heads of state/government. For instance, the Prime Minister is addressed as "Prime Minister" when in the country, but "Your Excellency" when abroad. (The same goes for the POTUS; "Mr. President" in the US and "Your Excellency" outside of it.)
    **Has only addressed UK ministers abroad** :'(
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    (I stole this format from tau, but who am I not to copy a great system? :-) )

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    Crushita
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  • then use some other honorific
    'your dudeness'
    'your dopeness'
    'pal'
    'buddy'
    'guy'

    actually 'your buddyship' would be hilarious

    Their Buddyship, Skutilsveinr Doc of the Nonagonal Table
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  • i will interpret that as a knighthood from the potato pope, and question whether that makes me a potato paladin
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  • i will interpret that as a knighthood from the potato pope, and question whether that makes me a potato paladin

    I can give out Knighthoods?

    You know we ought to make the Potato Papacy a real institution in Wintreath.
    I'd love to give out Knighthoods!
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