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Also, to those candidates that hold dual-Citizenship by the OFO, what is your stance on Royal Decree 002, our treaty with Lazarus, and the actions Wintreath has taken in support of Lazarus during the Osiris-Lazarus war?

Royal Decree 002: Very much against. Yeah, it came to power... Lets just say turbulently, but the fact remains that it has stabilised Osiris very much since it came into existence.

Wintreath-Lazarus relations: I support the treaty, and support the military support.

The last campaign for UH I dropped out because other things were going on at the time that prevented me from devoting proper attention to a campaign.

You should state the last election you stood for(which would look something like this, 'The last campaign I took part in I thought about dropping out because other things were going on at the time that prevented me from devoting proper attention to a campaign"), because you never even stood(or got nominated) during the previous(August) election.

Actually the last campaign you did, which was during the June 2014 Underhusen Election, and you dropped out during voting and then later posted:

"Vote for me!" Even though you previously wanted to drop out.

On the topic of the OFO and the Lazarus-OFO war and the treaty. I will support the OFO in the war only because Osiris was my first real region, so I owe them. But i can still be a loyal member of the Underhusen

If you were "encouraged" by OFO officials to support a repeal of our treaty with Lazarus, what would be your reaction? And I mean in the way that multiple regions were "encouraged" by the OFO to not attend the conference in Lazarus.

I would do what was best for Wintreath, Wintreath is my home region, I only want to improve it. and the Lazarus-Wintreath treaty is good for Wintreath. I said Wintreath a lot.

The last campaign for UH I dropped out because other things were going on at the time that prevented me from devoting proper attention to a campaign.

You should state the last election you stood for(which would look something like this, 'The last campaign I took part in I thought about dropping out because other things were going on at the time that prevented me from devoting proper attention to a campaign"), because you never even stood(or got nominated) during the previous(August) election.

Actually the last campaign you did, which was during the June 2014 Underhusen Election, and you dropped out during voting and then later posted:

"Vote for me!" Even though you previously wanted to drop out.

There wasn't a mechanism to drop out of the race after voting started.  Also I didn't understand the rest of your statement.

Royal Decree 002: Very much against. Yeah, it came to power... Lets just say turbulently, but the fact remains that it has stabilised Osiris very much since it came into existence.

Wintreath-Lazarus relations: I support the treaty, and support the military support.

In what ways are the OFO more stable the the KRO? I'm genuinely interested in hard data on that assertion.

I would do what was best for Wintreath, Wintreath is my home region, I only want to improve it. and the Lazarus-Wintreath treaty is good for Wintreath. I said Wintreath a lot.

Thank you...in spite of the incident with the Hvitt Riddaral, as a voter I'm satisfied with your answers on this topic.

The last campaign for UH I dropped out because other things were going on at the time that prevented me from devoting proper attention to a campaign.

You should state the last election you stood for(which would look something like this, 'The last campaign I took part in I thought about dropping out because other things were going on at the time that prevented me from devoting proper attention to a campaign"), because you never even stood(or got nominated) during the previous(August) election.

Actually the last campaign you did, which was during the June 2014 Underhusen Election, and you dropped out during voting and then later posted:

"Vote for me!" Even though you previously wanted to drop out.

There wasn't a mechanism to drop out of the race after voting started.  Also I didn't understand the rest of your statement.

Your statement is incorrect and is deceitful. You should have stated you said you attempted or wanted to drop out but couldn't and later decided to promote yourself. Your statement was also misled people, as the previous election that was held(the election prior to this), you have never stood for that election, and thus couldn't have dropped out as you stated.

The election you referred too, however,you did NOT drop out, as you were unable to, and later even after stating your intention to not want to be in the race, you promoted yourself when you could have asked to not be voted for, or even not said anything after that.

The last campaign for UH I dropped out because other things were going on at the time that prevented me from devoting proper attention to a campaign.

You should state the last election you stood for(which would look something like this, 'The last campaign I took part in I thought about dropping out because other things were going on at the time that prevented me from devoting proper attention to a campaign"), because you never even stood(or got nominated) during the previous(August) election.

Actually the last campaign you did, which was during the June 2014 Underhusen Election, and you dropped out during voting and then later posted:

"Vote for me!" Even though you previously wanted to drop out.

There wasn't a mechanism to drop out of the race after voting started.  Also I didn't understand the rest of your statement.

Your statement is incorrect and is deceitful. You should have stated you said you attempted or wanted to drop out but couldn't and later decided to promote yourself. Your statement was also misled people, as the previous election that was held(the election prior to this), you have never stood for that election, and thus couldn't have dropped out as you stated.

The election you referred too, however,you did NOT drop out, as you were unable to, and later even after stating your intention to not want to be in the race, you promoted yourself when you could have asked to not be voted for, or even not said anything after that.

It is not at all deceitful.  It is on record that I stated I wanted to drop out but because there was no mechanism to do so once voting was underway, I had no choice but to stay in, so I figured I might as well try and campaign anyway to get the votes out. 

I figured if I still had to be in the race, I might as well make the most of it.  It was not at all deceitful.

You may think I am malicious, but I am not.  I love this region and I have no intention of screwing over anyone here anytime soon.  Not now, not in the future, not ever.  Wintreath has been good to me, and I will be good to it.  I won't bite the hand that feeds me.  I am VERY much grateful for how most, if not all, of the people here have treated me despite the shit I've gone through.

If elected to the Underhusen, I intend to contribute as much as possible and as much as I am physically able.   I have legislative experience, and I have experience in various aspects of government in NS, so I'm not a n00b to NS governmental affairs. 

Vote Govindia for an active Underhusen!

The last campaign for UH I dropped out because other things were going on at the time that prevented me from devoting proper attention to a campaign.

You should state the last election you stood for(which would look something like this, 'The last campaign I took part in I thought about dropping out because other things were going on at the time that prevented me from devoting proper attention to a campaign"), because you never even stood(or got nominated) during the previous(August) election.

Actually the last campaign you did, which was during the June 2014 Underhusen Election, and you dropped out during voting and then later posted:

"Vote for me!" Even though you previously wanted to drop out.

There wasn't a mechanism to drop out of the race after voting started.  Also I didn't understand the rest of your statement.

Your statement is incorrect and is deceitful. You should have stated you said you attempted or wanted to drop out but couldn't and later decided to promote yourself. Your statement was also misled people, as the previous election that was held(the election prior to this), you have never stood for that election, and thus couldn't have dropped out as you stated.

The election you referred too, however,you did NOT drop out, as you were unable to, and later even after stating your intention to not want to be in the race, you promoted yourself when you could have asked to not be voted for, or even not said anything after that.

It is not at all deceitful.  It is on record that I stated I wanted to drop out but because there was no mechanism to do so once voting was underway, I had no choice but to stay in, so I figured I might as well try and campaign anyway to get the votes out. 

I figured if I still had to be in the race, I might as well make the most of it.  It was not at all deceitful.

You were still being deceitful, you stated that you had dropped out when you, in fact didn't. While you weren't allowed to drop out due to the fact you did it during elections, you should have still not asked people to vote for you, because if you really wanted to drop out you should have told people to not vote for you, or should have been quiet. Your statement was "deceiving or misleading others." (Note that is a definition of Deceitful) in the fact that you misled others, in this case the voters, by saying that you had dropped out when you didn't, and again, while you were unable to drop out, you then went ahead and promoted yourself, which if you actually wanted to drop out, you wouldn't have done so. So I have to ask you, How can the voters, trust someone who seems to flip on issues if it seems to benefit them at any point, then flip back on them when it's convenient, and in an attempt to mislead voters about your past actions?

Vote Govindia for an active Underhusen!

Funny how you say that considering the fact that you have been 'planning' things for months only for when they actually show up to be somewhat badly put together, and seem to have been put together last minute, and were only released when you were trying to get the Thane of culture position, and Amalya gave you a bit of an ultimatum and even Wintermoot called you out on it when you tried to become the Jarl of Culture. So how can you claim the Underhusen will be active when things like that occur?

Also yes I understand people have real life issues, however you do seem to have a bit of free time, as you seem to be on the IRC often, so you could have released it during that time when you are not busy, which seem to be often. 

You were still being deceitful, you stated that you had dropped out when you, in fact didn't. While you weren't allowed to drop out due to the fact you did it during elections, you should have still not asked people to vote for you, because if you really wanted to drop out you should have told people to not vote for you, or should have been quiet. Your statement was "deceiving or misleading others." (Note that is a definition of Deceitful) in the fact that you misled others, in this case the voters, by saying that you had dropped out when you didn't, and again, while you were unable to drop out, you then went ahead and promoted yourself, which if you actually wanted to drop out, you wouldn't have done so. So I have to ask you, How can the voters, trust someone who seems to flip on issues if it seems to benefit them at any point, then flip back on them when it's convenient, and in an attempt to mislead voters about your past actions?

I did not deliberately mislead anyone.  There were no tricks.  I did not cheat.  I dropped out of the campaign and asked to be dropped out of voting, and I was told I couldn't.   I'm not passive so I wasn't just going to sit there and do nothing, and as I said, i decided to make the most of it.  Things change, they're not fluid you know.  I felt I should give it one final go and see where things are.  No one at the time asked why the change, and I figured since I had no choice to stay in, I might as well try to get people to help me out in a last ditch attempt, no matter how vain. 

I'm not flip-flopping.  I will change my mind on issues if I'm convinced well enough that I was persuaded well enough to reconsider.  It's like what Thomas Jefferson once said: "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock."

Funny how you say that considering the fact that you have been 'planning' things for months only for when they actually show up to be somewhat badly put together, and seem to have been put together last minute, and were only released when you were trying to get the Thane of culture position, and Amalya gave you a bit of an ultimatum and even Wintermoot called you out on it when you tried to become the Jarl of Culture. So how can you claim the Underhusen will be active when things like that occur?

Also yes I understand people have real life issues, however you do seem to have a bit of free time, as you
seem to be on the IRC often, so you could have released it during that time when you are not busy, which seem to be often.

I have already explained my position regarding the culture issue in my campaign, if not in this thread.  I suggest you take a look there.

Just because I'm on IRC does not mean I'm actually at my computer.   If I recall, you had that same issue when you claimed you were having a leave of absence but were still very much active on IRC, and hence removed from the Overhusen for failing to meet activity requirements. 

When I have to go or be away, I'm actually away.  I may occasionally check in if it's an extended absence, but I don't stay tethered to IRC while away.  I'll just either go away from my computer or set up an away status then go away, as I usually do.

I have not misled or deceived anyone here.  People asked me about my activity issues, and I have addressed them.  I haven't hidden my campaign goals away from anyone here.  So please tell me how I'm misleading or cheating voters here when almost everything I said is a matter of public record?

Since the winners of this election will be deciding voting on the ratification of our proposed treaty with The Rejected Realms...any thoughts on that from the candidates?

Topic Link: http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=1654.0

You were still being deceitful, you stated that you had dropped out when you, in fact didn't. While you weren't allowed to drop out due to the fact you did it during elections, you should have still not asked people to vote for you, because if you really wanted to drop out you should have told people to not vote for you, or should have been quiet. Your statement was "deceiving or misleading others." (Note that is a definition of Deceitful) in the fact that you misled others, in this case the voters, by saying that you had dropped out when you didn't, and again, while you were unable to drop out, you then went ahead and promoted yourself, which if you actually wanted to drop out, you wouldn't have done so. So I have to ask you, How can the voters, trust someone who seems to flip on issues if it seems to benefit them at any point, then flip back on them when it's convenient, and in an attempt to mislead voters about your past actions?

I did not deliberately mislead anyone.  There were no tricks.  I did not cheat.  I dropped out of the campaign and asked to be dropped out of voting, and I was told I couldn't.   I'm not passive so I wasn't just going to sit there and do nothing, and as I said, i decided to make the most of it.  Things change, they're not fluid you know.  I felt I should give it one final go and see where things are.  No one at the time asked why the change, and I figured since I had no choice to stay in, I might as well try to get people to help me out in a last ditch attempt, no matter how vain. 

I'm not flip-flopping.  I will change my mind on issues if I'm convinced well enough that I was persuaded well enough to reconsider.  It's like what Thomas Jefferson once said: "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock."

Funny how you say that considering the fact that you have been 'planning' things for months only for when they actually show up to be somewhat badly put together, and seem to have been put together last minute, and were only released when you were trying to get the Thane of culture position, and Amalya gave you a bit of an ultimatum and even Wintermoot called you out on it when you tried to become the Jarl of Culture. So how can you claim the Underhusen will be active when things like that occur?

Also yes I understand people have real life issues, however you do seem to have a bit of free time, as you
seem to be on the IRC often, so you could have released it during that time when you are not busy, which seem to be often.

I have already explained my position regarding the culture issue in my campaign, if not in this thread.  I suggest you take a look there.

Just because I'm on IRC does not mean I'm actually at my computer.   If I recall, you had that same issue when you claimed you were having a leave of absence but were still very much active on IRC, and hence removed from the Overhusen for failing to meet activity requirements. 

When I have to go or be away, I'm actually away.  I may occasionally check in if it's an extended absence, but I don't stay tethered to IRC while away.  I'll just either go away from my computer or set up an away status then go away, as I usually do.

I have not misled or deceived anyone here.  People asked me about my activity issues, and I have addressed them.  I haven't hidden my campaign goals away from anyone here.  So please tell me how I'm misleading or cheating voters here when almost everything I said is a matter of public record?

Again you have, you stated and I quote,

The last campaign for UH I dropped out because other things were going on at the time that prevented me from devoting proper attention to a campaign.

The statement says that you actually did drop out, but you didn't. You then made a last ditch effort to get elected, after you stated your wish to drop out and were informed that you were unable to. Thus the statement is misleading, maybe not intentionally, but it still is. If someone just read that statement and took it as you said it, instead of doing what I did and checking to see if that's right, they would be lead to believe that you did actually drop out, and they may also take it as you dropped out of the previous elections(which you should have used My instead of The, and use attempted, which would show that you tried to drop out). While to you, your statement isn't misleading, as you know what YOU meant, this is online, where you can't rely on subtle cues in language like tone, emphasis, etc.. Again you should have kept in your resolve to not run, and ask to not be voted for, as once again.

On Activity concerns I realize you have addressed them, but saying something and doing something are two different things. Also why did you also just mislead the voters again my stating I was kicked out of the Overhusen, when no such event occurred? While I will give you a pass on this, because maybe you just got a little mixed up, and meant Riksrad, (but I must ask how you mix up the Upper house of the Storting with the Cabinet as they have two different functions, two different names, and two different abilities).

So lets see you have made statements, which at their core is false, and misleading, although I will excuse the second statement as again it could very well be a mix-up.

Oh boy those wall bullshits...Guys promote yourself, don't try to run each others pride, respect, ego or popullatiry...
As a citizen I do not give a damn what you did on your past...I want to know why I should vote you now...What new things are you going to bring in UH? All these debate is meaningles....I don't think that anyone reads all these crap that you say to each other.

So focus on you rather your opponent....Gosh am I the only one that is not geting the hole point of Wintrean Debates..
I mean look at the real life, no one is talking about his opponents past....it's a big show, people love shows! 

Since the winners of this election will be deciding voting on the ratification of our proposed treaty with The Rejected Realms...any thoughts on that from the candidates?

Topic Link: http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=1654.0

I strongly support the treaty as written.  I think the fact that two major GCR's have extended the olive branch to us is proof that Wintreath deserves every bit of pride we have toward her. 

Oh boy those wall bullshits...Guys promote yourself, don't try to run each others pride, respect, ego or popullatiry...
As a citizen I do not give a damn what you did on your past...I want to know why I should vote you now...What new things are you going to bring in UH? All these debate is meaningles....I don't think that anyone reads all these crap that you say to each other.

So focus on you rather your opponent....Gosh am I the only one that is not geting the hole point of Wintrean Debates..
I mean look at the real life, no one is talking about his opponents past....it's a big show, people love shows! 

I agree, thank you for saying this.  Candidates should not have to resort to personal pot shots when there are important issues that matter. 

Harry, I have stated my positions in my campaign and why you should vote for me, and I hope you understand and appreciate that.

Now with that's said, let us all get back to the important topics please

Since the winners of this election will be deciding voting on the ratification of our proposed treaty with The Rejected Realms...any thoughts on that from the candidates?

Topic Link: http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=1654.0

As written, I agree with Point Breeze.  I support the treaty as it is written currently, and I feel that with two GCR's wanting to have close ties with us to the point of a treaty like this shows how much importance Wintreath is playing in the NS world.

My only concern is that I hope The Rejected Realms distances itself from the occasional vitriolic comments Unibot tends to make about regions and people he dislikes, given the most recent incident with him and The South Pacific's IRC channel in comments he made about The East Pacific and its residency.

I hope that answers your question Wintermoot.  Does anyone have any others?