Post by: Ruguo on May 14, 2020, 05:28:26 PM
The Game Core laughs from his new perch in a glass chamber above the room. Well, laugh isn’t quite right as he doesn't have a mouth. He just kinda… Shakes? Yes, shakes.
“Now unfortunately, not all of you could be reassembled. So you may notice that a number of you are missing. This is fine, normal even. Retrieving all parts from the toxic waste can also be… difficult, so some of you might be missing limbs, or have mutated new abilities. Not to worry, we’ll get you all set right again. After you finish this game.”
“Oh, one last thing. I had to replace all the turrets. Seems they can’t be reassembled so well. So I made a few new ones for you. I think you’ll like them.”
Your new room seems to have multiple parts to it. There are random door frames, raised areas, and walkways stretch over a pit to oblivion. There is not a single drop of toxic waste in sight. A few misaligned panels are a giveaway that the walls are hiding pipes behind them. No effect is currently active.
*Bing* The Aperture Science Testing Center would like to remind all participants to stick to the code of conduct during testing. Only the test facilitator is allowed to insult participants, and only in a positive, fun inducing manor.[/u] *Bing*
There are 10 Cores, 4 Turrets?, and 1 non-game ending unaligned player.
Reminder of effects and other things
This game will have some very interesting roles: Every player will have up to three rotating effects, positive or negative, that will be active at different times. Please be aware of all changes and different gels that may be in effect. Each player will also have a central role that is active at all times, and can be as boring as “villager” or “wolf”. Please read below carefully.
The effects are as follows:
Blue Bouncy Gel: Actions this round may become jumbled. Every fifth vote will be randomly recast. Yes, this action effect can be negated with a little problem solving.
Orange Hyperspeed Gel: All actions are accelerated. Round time increases.
White Portal Gel: Players fall into subdimensions temporarily. Players are divided between three PM groups to continue events until the gel has been replaced, at which time they may return to the main thread.
Anti-grav funnel: Pushed selected players in its path over toxic waste. If not deactivated by the end of two day phases, all players selected die. The disarmament squad will all receive a puzzle to solve. Only 3/4 puzzles need to be completed correctly to deactivate this effect.
Hard Light Bridge: A new area is reachable across the endless void. Only three may enter. During this round, on top of voting someone out, vote someone to go into the new area. The effects of this area are unknown. The people with the top three votes at the end of each round this is active for will enter the area and receive its effects. They are not allowed to discuss the effects of the area for the duration of the game. The effects will change every time the bridge is rolled.
Transport tubes: All players with the “can be transported” trait unlock a new role based on the location they roll.
Disc Inserted: Select Players get an extra, secret vote this round
Cake!- This is a lie. There is no cake, so there cannot be an effect. Aren’t you relieved?
To change the effect in place, simply Vote: Push button. When majority is reached, the effect will change. This vote is cumulative between days.
The effects are as follows:
Blue Bouncy Gel: Actions this round may become jumbled. Every fifth vote will be randomly recast. Yes, this action effect can be negated with a little problem solving.
Orange Hyperspeed Gel: All actions are accelerated. Round time increases.
White Portal Gel: Players fall into subdimensions temporarily. Players are divided between three PM groups to continue events until the gel has been replaced, at which time they may return to the main thread.
Anti-grav funnel: Pushed selected players in its path over toxic waste. If not deactivated by the end of two day phases, all players selected die. The disarmament squad will all receive a puzzle to solve. Only 3/4 puzzles need to be completed correctly to deactivate this effect.
Hard Light Bridge: A new area is reachable across the endless void. Only three may enter. During this round, on top of voting someone out, vote someone to go into the new area. The effects of this area are unknown. The people with the top three votes at the end of each round this is active for will enter the area and receive its effects. They are not allowed to discuss the effects of the area for the duration of the game. The effects will change every time the bridge is rolled.
Transport tubes: All players with the “can be transported” trait unlock a new role based on the location they roll.
Disc Inserted: Select Players get an extra, secret vote this round
Cake!- This is a lie. There is no cake, so there cannot be an effect. Aren’t you relieved?
To change the effect in place, simply Vote: Push button. When majority is reached, the effect will change. This vote is cumulative between days.
Rules
Rules:
1) The first Day Phase will be 72 hours. Each Day Phase afterward will be 48 hours, with each night phase being 24 hours. Phases will start and end in Eastern Standard Time. At the end of each Day Phase, the night phase will immediately start when the results from the Day Phase are posted, the same goes for the Night Phase.
2) When lynched or killed in a Turret strike, players will be invited to a PM to spectate the events of the game and talk amongst themselves. Players are also welcome to say goodbye in the thread once they're killed before moving to the PM. Dead players are not allowed to hint or make references to any roles they have any knowledge of (IE a dead seer revealing a turret).
3) The Seer is welcome to share any knowledge they learn so long as they're still alive in the game. However, because this is a game of liars, a Seer's findings will be seen at face value and as a possible death sentence either at the hands of the mob, or at the werewolves.
4) You will have one chance to vote "No Lynch" in the game. You may also choose to simply not vote to avoid using your "No Lynch" vote, but that can make you look equally suspicious. A vote for yourself counts as a vote for “No Lynch”.
5) To vote during each day phase, please bold your choice for the host to see, an example being Vote: Ruguo.
6) During each night phase, Power Roles will send the Game Host a PM with their choices that night.
7 ) As mentioned in other Werewolf tip/trick topics, it is highly...highly recommended to not edit your posts (the game host being the only exception). Editing posts can be seen as withholding important information, and thus seen as incredibly suspicious. So while it isn't against the rules persay, just don't do it. It's very encouraged to keep your posts as is, regardless of any typos.
8) You can claim as much as you want, but you may not post screenshots of your PM or use any other method to prove your roles. This extends to off forum discussion. Should this occur, you will be removed from the game.
9) There is no longer a post minimum. However, an extended period of inactivity with no posts and no use of your role will still result in removal from the game. Let's just call it 2 full day-night cycles.
10) While you are away from the main thread (i.e., white is rolled, you are in a neighbourhood, you are in the wolf chat) you may NOT screenshot anything. Such posts here will be deleted and may result in you being removed from the game. Please keep to paraphrasing out of thread things only.
11) Absolutley NO outside communication is allowed with other players. Ever.
12) Any correlation between players and flavor is coincidence. Please treat it as such.
1) The first Day Phase will be 72 hours. Each Day Phase afterward will be 48 hours, with each night phase being 24 hours. Phases will start and end in Eastern Standard Time. At the end of each Day Phase, the night phase will immediately start when the results from the Day Phase are posted, the same goes for the Night Phase.
2) When lynched or killed in a Turret strike, players will be invited to a PM to spectate the events of the game and talk amongst themselves. Players are also welcome to say goodbye in the thread once they're killed before moving to the PM. Dead players are not allowed to hint or make references to any roles they have any knowledge of (IE a dead seer revealing a turret).
3) The Seer is welcome to share any knowledge they learn so long as they're still alive in the game. However, because this is a game of liars, a Seer's findings will be seen at face value and as a possible death sentence either at the hands of the mob, or at the werewolves.
4) You will have one chance to vote "No Lynch" in the game. You may also choose to simply not vote to avoid using your "No Lynch" vote, but that can make you look equally suspicious. A vote for yourself counts as a vote for “No Lynch”.
5) To vote during each day phase, please bold your choice for the host to see, an example being Vote: Ruguo.
6) During each night phase, Power Roles will send the Game Host a PM with their choices that night.
7 ) As mentioned in other Werewolf tip/trick topics, it is highly...highly recommended to not edit your posts (the game host being the only exception). Editing posts can be seen as withholding important information, and thus seen as incredibly suspicious. So while it isn't against the rules persay, just don't do it. It's very encouraged to keep your posts as is, regardless of any typos.
8) You can claim as much as you want, but you may not post screenshots of your PM or use any other method to prove your roles. This extends to off forum discussion. Should this occur, you will be removed from the game.
9) There is no longer a post minimum. However, an extended period of inactivity with no posts and no use of your role will still result in removal from the game. Let's just call it 2 full day-night cycles.
10) While you are away from the main thread (i.e., white is rolled, you are in a neighbourhood, you are in the wolf chat) you may NOT screenshot anything. Such posts here will be deleted and may result in you being removed from the game. Please keep to paraphrasing out of thread things only.
11) Absolutley NO outside communication is allowed with other players. Ever.
12) Any correlation between players and flavor is coincidence. Please treat it as such.
Day One will begin with this post and end in over 72 hours on Sunday, May 17th at 3pm EST.
Let me know if I'm missing anything.
Tagging players and such
Aragonn
@Arenado
@Barnes
@Batma n
@Doc
@Excalibur
@Gerrick
@Hapi
@Hydra
Imaginative Kane
@Laurentus
Madeline Norfolk
@Pengu
@Red Mones
Sapphiron
@taulover
@Vroendal
@Wintermoot
@Arenado
@Barnes
@Batma n
@Doc
@Excalibur
@Gerrick
@Hapi
@Hydra
Imaginative Kane
@Laurentus
Madeline Norfolk
@Pengu
@Red Mones
Sapphiron
@taulover
@Vroendal
@Wintermoot
List of peeps
Living: 14
Aragonn
Arenado
Barnes
Batma n
Doc
Excalibur
Gerrick
Imaginative Kane
Laurentus
Madeline Norfolk
Pengu
Sapphiron
taulover
Wintermoot
Reassembled::
Hapi, Maintenance core, Healer
Hydra, Space Sphere, Loudmouth
Red Mones, Turret Core, Poisoner
Vroendal, Potato Based Core, Lynchbait
Aragonn
Arenado
Barnes
Batma n
Doc
Excalibur
Gerrick
Imaginative Kane
Laurentus
Madeline Norfolk
Pengu
Sapphiron
taulover
Wintermoot
Reassembled::
Hapi, Maintenance core, Healer
Hydra, Space Sphere, Loudmouth
Red Mones, Turret Core, Poisoner
Vroendal, Potato Based Core, Lynchbait
Post by: Laurentus on May 14, 2020, 06:46:40 PM
Post by: Barnes on May 14, 2020, 06:49:58 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 14, 2020, 06:52:44 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 14, 2020, 07:05:30 PM
Post by: Red Mones on May 14, 2020, 07:54:20 PM
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 14, 2020, 07:55:06 PM
Post by: Gerrick on May 14, 2020, 11:57:51 PM
Post by: Excalibur on May 15, 2020, 12:42:34 AM
Post by: Vroendal on May 15, 2020, 01:03:07 AM
Post by: Michi on May 15, 2020, 02:33:27 AM
Post by: Arenado on May 15, 2020, 03:41:40 AM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 15, 2020, 04:13:36 AM
Post by: Ruguo on May 15, 2020, 04:17:27 AM
I am not included in the restart? (https://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=6530.msg148208#msg148208) :( It's okay, I guess I will sit out and just watch the game.Ack I'm sorry! I am big dumb. Luckily, my plans have backup plans and those have backup plans if their own. So if you can forgive me, I can put you in.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 15, 2020, 04:18:31 AM
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 15, 2020, 06:27:14 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 15, 2020, 12:01:46 PM
So yay. It would be nice to be on the same side as Sapph again for once. 8)
Post by: Sapphiron on May 15, 2020, 01:24:02 PM
And whilst being given a town role as a result of a last minute add-in is good for day phases, I am pretty sure I have just become a large target (if I won’t be lynched in the day from manipulation of town opinion, then I can only be killed at night)
And Lau, you don’t get to be assumed town just because you are scum last game. That would be negligence of the highest order. :P
Post by: Doc on May 15, 2020, 01:59:54 PM
So how are my fellow turr... I mean cores? :PThere's 50-50 odds you intend this as lighthearted joking...but the other side of that coin is you taunting people.
Like, literally just by posting this you catapulted to the top of my suspicion list despite the fact that you also did this in the previous iteration without being a turret.
Which was a very silly move to make on day one, when there's practically no other information available.
Push Button, Vote: Hapi
Post by: Laurentus on May 15, 2020, 02:37:52 PM
I don't want any more button pressing madness, so I will pretend it doesn't exist and vote: @Gerrick to get him involved.
Post by: Arenado on May 15, 2020, 03:24:14 PM
Post by: Ruguo on May 15, 2020, 03:34:49 PM
Push the button: 3 (Doc, Sapphiron, Arenado)/9
Hapi: 1 (Doc)
Gerrick: 1 (Laurentus)
Post by: Batma n on May 15, 2020, 05:27:51 PM
Okay, so 10 town and 4 scum mean we have at roughly 3 day and night phases to sort our shit out. With some next-level defending (and boatloads of luck), we have 6. If scum have any vigilante slots, we're in serious trouble, and if we have any vigs of our own, they're going to have to be damn careful they don't do scum's work for them.
Also, there is the non-game ending unaligned who will probably work with WW during day phase so we need to be extra careful.
Post by: Batma n on May 15, 2020, 05:31:36 PM
So how are my fellow turr... I mean cores? :PThere's 50-50 odds you intend this as lighthearted joking...but the other side of that coin is you taunting people.
Like, literally just by posting this you catapulted to the top of my suspicion list despite the fact that you also did this in the previous iteration without being a turret.
Which was a very silly move to make on day one, when there's practically no other information available.
Push Button, Vote: Hapi
I understand that logic, but it seems a bit too extreme to vote for them right off the bat from only one quote. If they constantly did it, then it would seem a bit sus, but so far it has only been once.
Post by: Doc on May 15, 2020, 05:39:11 PM
The thing to note is that Hapi was already almost lynched over this exact behavior in the last iteration.
Repeating it now suggests a desire to take advantage of our metaknowledge that they weren't scum last game and did this, with the hopes that we come to the conclusion that 'if this behavior and that outcome, and we see the same behavior, logically we must expect the same outcome'.
And if they aren't scum but keep up this behavior, they're muddying the waters and that's just about the worst possible thing you can do in a game with asymmetric knowledge.
Post by: Vroendal on May 15, 2020, 05:55:04 PM
The thing to note is that Hapi was already almost lynched over this exact behavior in the last iteration.
Repeating it now suggests a desire to take advantage of our metaknowledge that they weren't scum last game.
And if they aren't scum but keep up this behavior, they're muddying the waters and that's just about the worst possible thing you can do in a game with asymmetric knowledge.
You may be right, but I think it's too trigger-happy to just jump the gun like this especially so soon, it's only d1, when a little silliness is to be expected. It's suspicious to be pushing people with so little supportive reasoning, especially if you don't really know their metagame...
Vote: Push the button
Post by: Hydra on May 15, 2020, 07:08:44 PM
I agree with Laurentus that Sapph is probably town, which is great, unless Ruguo's plans upon plans upon plans somehow is able to play tricks on us. There's also the possibility of Sapph being added as a neutral character, which can be scary for both sides.
Post by: taulover on May 15, 2020, 07:10:07 PM
Wait, so no Minish, funnier, lil G, or ExLight? That's...a shame.I think a lot of people who might have been interested probably simply weren't aware of the reboot because of a lack of a mention.
On the bright side, maybe this game can be a bit quieter. Or maybe Wintreath Werewolf is changed for good (or bad). :P
Post by: Ruguo on May 15, 2020, 07:13:31 PM
I'll Vote: Push the Button.*Evil Laughing*
I agree with Laurentus that Sapph is probably town, which is great, unless Ruguo's plans upon plans upon plans somehow is able to play tricks on us. There's also the possibility of Sapph being added as a neutral character, which can be scary for both sides.
@Ruguo there's no dash in the username (and punctuations don't work in mentions anyway), it's @Imaginative KaneRight. Forgot to remove the dash after the alphabetizer did the thing.
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 15, 2020, 08:21:39 PM
So how are my fellow turr... I mean cores? :PThere's 50-50 odds you intend this as lighthearted joking...but the other side of that coin is you taunting people.
Like, literally just by posting this you catapulted to the top of my suspicion list despite the fact that you also did this in the previous iteration without being a turret.
Which was a very silly move to make on day one, when there's practically no other information available.
Push Button, Vote: Hapi
I'd say that's fair however it was a silly little joke.
(I'm uncertain about pronouns so I'm using 'they')
The thing to note is that Hapi was already almost lynched over this exact behavior in the last iteration.
Repeating it now suggests a desire to take advantage of our metaknowledge that they weren't scum last game and did this, with the hopes that we come to the conclusion that 'if this behavior and that outcome, and we see the same behavior, logically we must expect the same outcome'.
And if they aren't scum but keep up this behavior, they're muddying the waters and that's just about the worst possible thing you can do in a game with asymmetric knowledge.
Any pronoun is fine I'm purposefully vague about that. You May also use they or just Hapi :)
I've actually basically unified my name for the first time everywhere to Hapi except IRL because I think I might want to use that permanently. Anyways not what this game is about
I pretty much stated that I intend to play the same way town or scum so the suspicion is warranted. But it is D1 and aside from a joke I haven't done anything sus really. But I get why I'm being voted. With that said
Push the button
Post by: Michi on May 15, 2020, 11:28:58 PM
I'll Vote: Push the Button.*Evil Laughing*
I agree with Laurentus that Sapph is probably town, which is great, unless Ruguo's plans upon plans upon plans somehow is able to play tricks on us. There's also the possibility of Sapph being added as a neutral character, which can be scary for both sides.
I think this seals that we should all probably be afraid.
Anyways, I get where Doc is coming from about Hapi, but as he mentioned, they did something similar last game as well. It could be acting playful again, or it could be as Doc said where tthey're using a similar tactic as a turret to make us think they're innocent again.
That being said, I want to wait a bit before pushing it, and see how this progresses.
I will, however, vote to Push the Button
Post by: Sapphiron on May 15, 2020, 11:32:47 PM
Anyway, it’s pretty smart of Hapi to establish a meta of misleading that works on both role alignment but I stick to my opinion that first day lynching is essentially based on (un)lucky guesses
Post by: Ruguo on May 16, 2020, 12:01:41 AM
Push the button: 7 (Doc, Sapphiron, Arenado, Vroendal, Hydra, Pengu, Hapi)/9
Hapi: 1 (Doc)
Gerrick: 1 (Laurentus)
Post by: Excalibur on May 16, 2020, 12:10:05 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but why would they work with the werewolves during the day? Wouldn’t they want to work with town so that they are lynched?Okay, so 10 town and 4 scum mean we have at roughly 3 day and night phases to sort our shit out. With some next-level defending (and boatloads of luck), we have 6. If scum have any vigilante slots, we're in serious trouble, and if we have any vigs of our own, they're going to have to be damn careful they don't do scum's work for them.
Also, there is the non-game ending unaligned who will probably work with WW during day phase so we need to be extra careful.
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 16, 2020, 12:12:44 AM
I can understand the concern for “button pressing madness”, but with a role ratio of 11:4:1, I am convinced the button mechanics are what will allow the town to gain useful abilities.
Anyway, it’s pretty smart of Hapi to establish a meta of misleading that works on both role alignment but I stick to my opinion that first day lynching is essentially based on (un)lucky guesses
I'm the smartest Hapi in existence.
I think button mechanics are usually beneficial to town (at least they were last game).
However I don't know what Ruguo has changed this run.
Post by: Laurentus on May 16, 2020, 12:17:16 AM
Post by: Red Mones on May 16, 2020, 01:30:18 AM
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 16, 2020, 01:32:46 AM
Haha, seeing as I was scum last game, I can tell you now that we loved the button mechanics. They only fucked us over because of a rather-unintentionally poorly worded clue that pointed to Hydra.
I don't know how they worked for scum but like my only town ability required the button to be pressed at which point I could rollblock.
Without the button I was largely useless.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 16, 2020, 01:33:59 AM
Post by: Gerrick on May 16, 2020, 02:02:13 AM
Also, I'll Vote: Lynch Laurentus because oh my god you suck.
Post by: Laurentus on May 16, 2020, 02:10:33 AM
That said, I'm realising that if we play this game conventionally, we're pretty much fucked, so I will vote: push the button.
Post by: Red Mones on May 16, 2020, 03:14:21 AM
Post by: Red Mones on May 16, 2020, 03:15:00 AM
Post by: Red Mones on May 16, 2020, 03:15:45 AM
Post by: Michi on May 16, 2020, 03:25:04 AM
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 16, 2020, 03:47:41 AM
Post by: Batma n on May 16, 2020, 03:47:54 AM
Sorry, my Town of Salem instincts were kicking in. If the non-aligned reaches their goal, it can cause chaos for town, helping ww, but the non-aligned can't secretly talk to ww, so never mind thatPardon my ignorance, but why would they work with the werewolves during the day? Wouldn’t they want to work with town so that they are lynched?Okay, so 10 town and 4 scum mean we have at roughly 3 day and night phases to sort our shit out. With some next-level defending (and boatloads of luck), we have 6. If scum have any vigilante slots, we're in serious trouble, and if we have any vigs of our own, they're going to have to be damn careful they don't do scum's work for them.
Also, there is the non-game ending unaligned who will probably work with WW during day phase so we need to be extra careful.
Post by: taulover on May 16, 2020, 04:03:33 AM
I can understand the concern for “button pressing madness”, but with a role ratio of 11:4:1, I am convinced the button mechanics are what will allow the town to gain useful abilities.What do you mean by 11:4:1? Is this the alignment distribution? Is there someone on a third team?
I think button mechanics are usually beneficial to town (at least they were last game).I mean, last time I was Doctor and literally all three of my light effects were garbage. (Hence my heavy hesitation to press back then.)
However I don't know what Ruguo has changed this run.
^ Pretty much, I was a vanilla townie with abilities that can only be unlocked with the pressing of buttons in the previous gameHmm, a possible theory is that power roles get nerfed and vanilla roles get boosted?
Post by: Sapphiron on May 16, 2020, 04:10:44 AM
What do you mean by 11:4:1? Is this the alignment distribution? Is there someone on a third team?Yep, it’s stated on the OP that there’s 1 non-game ending unaligned player.
Post by: Barnes on May 16, 2020, 04:22:08 AM
She apparently always does this. Not great. :PSo how are my fellow turr... I mean cores? :PPush Button, Vote: Hapi
Wait, so no Minish, funnier, lil G, or ExLight? That's...a shame.I don't think any of them were notified :(
What do you mean by 11:4:1? Is this the alignment distribution? Is there someone on a third team?
That said, I'm most suspicious of (and voting for) Laurentus, for past-game reasons and math reasons. (I don't think Lau is aware that we can lynch wolves during the day and power town roles can block during the night. Jumping straight to the worst-case scenario isn't helpful and leans towards benefitting the wolves.)
Though Hapi isn't helping. :o
Post by: Laurentus on May 16, 2020, 06:45:57 AM
She apparently always does this. Not great. :PSo how are my fellow turr... I mean cores? :PPush Button, Vote: HapiWait, so no Minish, funnier, lil G, or ExLight? That's...a shame.I don't think any of them were notified :(What do you mean by 11:4:1? Is this the alignment distribution? Is there someone on a third team?There is an unaligned player here, for extra madness I suppose.What Sapph said.
That said, I'm most suspicious of (and voting for) Laurentus, for past-game reasons and math reasons. (I don't think Lau is aware that we can lynch wolves during the day and power town roles can block during the night. Jumping straight to the worst-case scenario isn't helpful and leans towards benefitting the wolves.)
Though Hapi isn't helping. :o
It might just be that I just woke up, but I can't make heads or tails of this vote. If I end up getting lynched for this, please do me the kindness of brutally murdering Barnes.
I have laid out both scenarios, worst and good. Bad is simply more likely.
Post by: Laurentus on May 16, 2020, 06:50:19 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 16, 2020, 07:04:01 AM
I’m with you on the Laurentus vote Gerrick :P That man is a real bastard he is. :D I’ll [/b]Vote: push the button as well[/b], though i think we’re already at a majority.::)
Post by: Barnes on May 16, 2020, 07:22:37 AM
If I end up getting lynched for this, please do me the kindness of brutally murdering Barnes.You were already going to kill me "tomorrow night" anyway :P
Post by: Laurentus on May 16, 2020, 08:25:58 AM
You realise we are in a new game? Why does anything that happened in the previous game have bearing on your vote?
Also, "math reasons" literally say that we have 3 days of mislynches. Your assertion that I don't know we have town power roles is disproven by literally my second post, where I said we could up the number to 6 days of mislynches with good defender play.
Are you deliberately ignoring the facts here?
Post by: Barnes on May 16, 2020, 09:04:19 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 16, 2020, 09:40:29 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 16, 2020, 09:48:09 AM
1/4 odds mean we are likely not to lynch scum today, or in the coming 3 days in the worst case scenario.
That's not to inspire fear, but to place in perspective that we're in trouble and need to play a damn smart game here, thoroughly engaging everyone and seeing the way they reason about things in order to find who has the scummiest motivation.
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 16, 2020, 12:30:20 PM
She apparently always does this. Not great. :PSo how are my fellow turr... I mean cores? :PPush Button, Vote: Hapi
Though Hapi isn't helping. :o
I'm really not hurting anything either though right?
Like there's nothing that's going to happen day 1. Lynches day 1 are always going to be a shot in the dark and no turret is going to come out screaming "hey guys I'm a turret".
My only course of action today is to joke around and push the button. I don't particularly like D1 votes because they always seem to be based on something other than useful information.
Post by: Ruguo on May 16, 2020, 04:30:36 PM
Jokes aside, the button has been pressed.
All button votes have been reset.
Anti-Grav Funnel is now in effect.
Anti-grav funnel: Pushed selected players in its path over toxic waste. If not deactivated by the end of two day phases, all players selected die. The disarmament squad will all receive a puzzle to solve. Only 3/4 puzzles need to be completed correctly to deactivate this effect.
The disarmament squad will receive their puzzles shortly.
WARNING: Pushing the button again does NOT deactivate the funnel and all player caught in it WILL go plummeting to their doom.
While we're here, regular vote count:
Hapi: 1 (Doc)
Gerrick: 2 (Laurentus, Barnes)
Laurentus: 1 (Gerrick)
Post by: Ruguo on May 16, 2020, 04:52:46 PM
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 16, 2020, 05:32:37 PM
HEY GUYS! I'M A TURRET!
The twist to end all twists is that Ruguo is the ONLY turret and has been playing us the whole time.
Vote: Ruguo :P
Post by: taulover on May 16, 2020, 07:48:36 PM
see: Werewolf XIIHEY GUYS! I'M A TURRET!
The twist to end all twists is that Ruguo is the ONLY turret and has been playing us the whole time.
Vote: Ruguo :P
Post by: Hydra on May 16, 2020, 07:54:08 PM
Post by: Hydra on May 16, 2020, 07:55:15 PM
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 16, 2020, 08:16:35 PM
Also @Ruguo, I think Barnes voted for Laurentus, not Gerrick.
They both did
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 16, 2020, 08:18:22 PM
Welp that's an interesting turn of events, especially for the first night. Good luck to the puzzle solvers, we can't really risk losing more town at this point, especially as we aren't given the number of people sent over the toxic waste.
Also Ruguo said 3 out of 4 puzzles need to be solved so I'd venture a guess that their are 4 people at risk here.
I know this won't stop that effect but Vote: Push the Button 2.0
Post by: Red Mones on May 16, 2020, 08:23:40 PM
Welp that's an interesting turn of events, especially for the first night. Good luck to the puzzle solvers, we can't really risk losing more town at this point, especially as we aren't given the number of people sent over the toxic waste.I mean I don’t think it’s limited to just town. That would be way too unfair. It’s probably a mix of both.
Post by: Hydra on May 16, 2020, 08:27:59 PM
Yeah for sure. But this early in the game (with four scum), we'd probably lose more town than scum, which is not something I think we can't take at the moment.Welp that's an interesting turn of events, especially for the first night. Good luck to the puzzle solvers, we can't really risk losing more town at this point, especially as we aren't given the number of people sent over the toxic waste.I mean I don’t think it’s limited to just town. That would be way too unfair. It’s probably a mix of both.
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 16, 2020, 08:29:03 PM
Post by: Hydra on May 16, 2020, 08:30:22 PM
What? Who do you mean by they?Also @Ruguo, I think Barnes voted for Laurentus, not Gerrick.
They both did
I'm just pointing out that the vote count Ruguo performed is incorrect. Barnes' vote should be on Laurentus, not Gerrick.
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 16, 2020, 08:32:24 PM
What? Who do you mean by they?Also @Ruguo, I think Barnes voted for Laurentus, not Gerrick.
They both did
I'm just pointing out that the vote count Ruguo performed is incorrect. Barnes' vote should be on Laurentus, not Gerrick.
They would be both Gerrick and Barnes as both Gerrick and Barnes voted for Lau
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 16, 2020, 08:33:13 PM
Huh, I figured the button only helped the wolves because of that scrambling effect. But I will Vote: Press Button with the knowledge that some village abilities only work with the button pressed.
Also, I'll Vote: Lynch Laurentus because oh my god you suck.
She apparently always does this. Not great. :PSo how are my fellow turr... I mean cores? :PPush Button, Vote: HapiWait, so no Minish, funnier, lil G, or ExLight? That's...a shame.I don't think any of them were notified :(What do you mean by 11:4:1? Is this the alignment distribution? Is there someone on a third team?There is an unaligned player here, for extra madness I suppose.What Sapph said.
That said, I'm most suspicious of (and voting for) Laurentus, for past-game reasons and math reasons. (I don't think Lau is aware that we can lynch wolves during the day and power town roles can block during the night. Jumping straight to the worst-case scenario isn't helpful and leans towards benefitting the wolves.)
Though Hapi isn't helping. :o
Here And Here
Post by: Barnes on May 16, 2020, 08:36:28 PM
Your sentence was ambiguous. Instead of "Barnes voted for Laurentus instead of voting for Gerrick", it sounds like the sentence could also be interpreted as "Only Barnes voted for Laurentus and Gerrick did not".What? Who do you mean by they?Also @Ruguo, I think Barnes voted for Laurentus, not Gerrick.
They both did
I'm just pointing out that the vote count Ruguo performed is incorrect. Barnes' vote should be on Laurentus, not Gerrick.
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 16, 2020, 08:37:56 PM
Your sentence was ambiguous. Instead of "Barnes voted for Laurentus instead of voting for Gerrick", it sounds like the sentence could also be interpreted as "Only Barnes voted for Laurentus and Gerrick did not".What? Who do you mean by they?Also @Ruguo, I think Barnes voted for Laurentus, not Gerrick.
They both did
I'm just pointing out that the vote count Ruguo performed is incorrect. Barnes' vote should be on Laurentus, not Gerrick.
Yes that thank you lol :D
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 16, 2020, 08:38:36 PM
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 16, 2020, 08:47:56 PM
I'm going to go back to hiding in my corner now because I can't be trusted.
Post by: Michi on May 16, 2020, 08:52:35 PM
see: Werewolf XIIHEY GUYS! I'M A TURRET!
The twist to end all twists is that Ruguo is the ONLY turret and has been playing us the whole time.
Vote: Ruguo :P
Ah, fun times they were.
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 16, 2020, 08:55:52 PM
see: Werewolf XIIHEY GUYS! I'M A TURRET!
The twist to end all twists is that Ruguo is the ONLY turret and has been playing us the whole time.
Vote: Ruguo :P
Ah, fun times they were.
*is intrigued*
Post by: Michi on May 16, 2020, 08:58:44 PM
see: Werewolf XIIHEY GUYS! I'M A TURRET!
The twist to end all twists is that Ruguo is the ONLY turret and has been playing us the whole time.
Vote: Ruguo :P
Ah, fun times they were.
*is intrigued*
Long story short, the host (me) was the head wolf the entire time, and laid out clues in all of my posts to point to me...though only the dead really caught on.
Post by: Michi on May 16, 2020, 08:59:43 PM
Post by: Ruguo on May 16, 2020, 09:17:29 PM
All trapped have returned to land.
Correcting Vote count:
Push the button: 0/9
Hapi: 1 (Doc)
Gerrick: 1 (Laurentus)
Laurentus: 2 (Gerrick, Barnes)
Ruguo: 1 (Hapi)
Post by: Michi on May 16, 2020, 09:49:09 PM
Go home Ruguo, you're clearly drunk.
Post by: Ruguo on May 16, 2020, 09:51:57 PM
Post by: Michi on May 16, 2020, 09:54:54 PM
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7 ) As mentioned in other Werewolf tip/trick topics, it is highly...highly recommended to not edit your posts (the game host being the only exception). Editing posts can be seen as withholding important information, and thus seen as incredibly suspicious. So while it isn't against the rules persay, just don't do it. It's very encouraged to keep your posts as is, regardless of any typos.
Clearly you must have witheld some important implicating evidence.
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 16, 2020, 10:15:42 PM
Sir, that is a violation of rule 7.Quote7 ) As mentioned in other Werewolf tip/trick topics, it is highly...highly recommended to not edit your posts (the game host being the only exception). Editing posts can be seen as withholding important information, and thus seen as incredibly suspicious. So while it isn't against the rules persay, just don't do it. It's very encouraged to keep your posts as is, regardless of any typos.
Clearly you must have witheld some important implicating evidence.
Lynch the game core!! Lynch him!
Post by: Wintermoot on May 17, 2020, 12:40:29 AM
A bit of a hair-trigger, don't you think? This seems like the most suspicious things that's happened this round to me, but you seem suspicious to me in every game. Please stop acting suspiciously. :))So how are my fellow turr... I mean cores? :PThere's 50-50 odds you intend this as lighthearted joking...but the other side of that coin is you taunting people.
Like, literally just by posting this you catapulted to the top of my suspicion list despite the fact that you also did this in the previous iteration without being a turret.
Which was a very silly move to make on day one, when there's practically no other information available.
Push Button, Vote: Hapi
I would say the only person who is likely to be Town right now is Sapphiron. It would make zero sense to add another scum right now, with the numbers being what they are.I don't know...Silv has put a lot of thought and effort into designing this game. I find it a little hard to believe that they would design the game in such a way that a new player would be obviously one thing or another. I'm not saying he's a wolf, but I don't think it's safe to assume that he's not either. For all we know, you both could be on the same side again...as wolves. :P
So yay. It would be nice to be on the same side as Sapph again for once. 8)
Wait, so no Minish, funnier, lil G, or ExLight? That's...a shame.I expressed the same sentiment in the Cabinet Discord channel. There was obviously some culture clash last game, but they were good players and afaik good people. Hopefully they or others will consider joining future games. I hope the door hasn't been closed on something I thought (and still think) could be great.
As for action...I dunno, Doc seems most suspicious to me, and the piling on Laurentus for not being optimistic enough seems odd (though it's usually wise to be suspicious of Laurentus in WW :P). But that's only taking into account the main players and people who have voted so far, when at least some of the wolves are probably lying low.
In particular, there's a number of players who have voted to push the button but haven't really weighed in on the actual game: Arenado, Vroendal, Hydra, Hapi (besides defending themselves from Doc), and Pengu. Out of this list I consider Hapi and Pengu most suspicious because they haven't really weighed in despite posting more than once this round. In Hapi's case, that seems like a better reason for suspicion than a joke they made, at least.
Actually despite Doc I think I'm going to Vote: Hapi. They've been around enough to know what's going on and defend themselves, then posted numerous other times (such as the discussion about Silv's mistaken vote count) but hasn't otherwise weighed in much on the meat of the game. That seems most suspicious to me.
Post by: Gerrick on May 17, 2020, 12:57:29 AM
Post by: Michi on May 17, 2020, 01:32:50 AM
In particular, there's a number of players who have voted to push the button but haven't really weighed in on the actual game: Arenado, Vroendal, Hydra, Hapi (besides defending themselves from Doc), and Pengu. Out of this list I consider Hapi and Pengu most suspicious because they haven't really weighed in despite posting more than once this round. In Hapi's case, that seems like a better reason for suspicion than a joke they made, at least.
Which if you were you look at past games (even the past attempt) aside from XIV which started in the night phase, I don't really do Day 1 weigh ins. I'll usually keep my posts brief if I even post at all that phase because there's normally not anything to go on. Hell, even the first attempt I didn't really weigh in despite it being basically 10 pages of content for Day 1.
I just never saw the point, although I will point out that you're neglecting that I did mention Hapi's bit being suspicious at the start, but that I was going to wait to see how things progress before pushing anything outside of the button. That's usually the most you'll get out of me Day 1 since I normally use that round for observing and using it for rooting out wolves either at night (with the appropriate role, like jailing and questioning Laurentus last game), or testing the waters in the next day to see how people respond to their previous day actions.
Post by: Batma n on May 17, 2020, 01:40:27 AM
I'm also going to Vote Doc unless we get a jailor claim because I think they are most likely executioner.
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 17, 2020, 03:20:07 AM
Now that I seem to have caught up with the game. I am somewhat suspicious of Doc for the reasons that Wintermoot outlined earlier but I will hold off on voting until end of day is closer in case something else comes up.
Hapi really is not that suspicious to me just yet although I understand why everyone is suspicious of them.
I am curious about how many turrets were caught in the anti gravity funnel and so how many were saved by the puzzle solving but that is something to worry more about later. I am going to push the button because I want to see more button effects and since I remember from when I was a wolf that not all of those button effects help the wolves, some of the effects could hurt the turrets.
I haven't quite decided on my other suspicions yet though. That will require putting more pondering.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 17, 2020, 03:42:21 AM
Anyway, Vote: @taulover don't just discuss the mechanics and disappear. We clearly need moar discussion, for instance, how many Turrets do you think are faking antagonism by voting for each other? :D
Post by: Red Mones on May 17, 2020, 04:46:44 AM
Post by: Doc on May 17, 2020, 06:32:43 AM
I do think Hapi has been kind of suspicious, but I still don't like how Doc jumped the gun. This makes me think they are the non-aligned. Either an executioner trying to get Hapi lynched or a jester trying to look susp by jumping the gun. It would be bad to lynch the jester, but it might be good to eliminate that chaos. It would all be fixed if we had a jailor to execute them in jail. If there is a jailor, I'll leave it to you to claim if you want, but I assume there is a defender type, so it wouldn't be a horrible move to claim jailor.It's day one. There's no gun to jump. The whole day is reaction testing unless you're either scum or committing to no-lynch (a choice I'm now convinced is worse than useless), and I was sufficiently satisfied with Hapi's reaction that I've decided to stay my course.
I'm also going to Vote Doc unless we get a jailor claim because I think they are most likely executioner.
Post by: Barnes on May 17, 2020, 07:02:02 AM
This screams unaligned to me. Especially with all the chaos they are trying to create. There is also the possibility of Saph joining the game as unaligned. It seems unlikely to add an extra wolf into the mix.Though Hapi isn't helping. :oI'm really not hurting anything either though right?
Hmm, I was thinking of switching my vote from Laurentus (probably to Barnes) to bring him back down to one vote, but that'd put Hapi as the sole person on the chopping block now. Think I'll leave it for now unless their vote shares really change.
Something's off with Gerrick imo. First, he votes for Laurentus "jokingly". Then, he says he wants to remove his vote, but doesn't want to leave Hapi to die? And then wanting to switch to Barnes? Something doesn't add up to me.Though if Gerrick is protecting Hapi here, then they are both wolves.
@Laurentus I am going to be a hypocrite and
do some math here.
If Saph is town: (11 town / 16 total ) * (9/14) * (7/12) = 25.78%, assuming a perfect wolf kill each night.
If Saph is unaligned: (10/16) * (8/14) * (6/12) = 19.23%.
However, if Saph is town we would need an extra mislynch (day 4) according to your worst-case scenario, cutting the odds in half (5/10): 12.89%.
If Saph is unaligned: (10/16) * (8/14) * (6/12) = 19.23%.
However, if Saph is town we would need an extra mislynch (day 4) according to your worst-case scenario, cutting the odds in half (5/10): 12.89%.
I'm also confused as to your rationale for choosing Gerrick instead of another inactive such as @Arenado, @Excalibur, or @Vroendal. (Though Gerrick's reaction isn't helping.) I'm removing my vote for you (Laurentus) because those other inactives strike me as a bit more suspcious.
Post by: Laurentus on May 17, 2020, 08:53:36 AM
I find this push on Doc incredibly suspicious, to be honest. We're in Random Voting Stage, no votes are going to be great at first. They are literally just there to get discussion going.
Also, there is a direct contradiction in one of Moot's posts, where he first starts off saying this about Doc:
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A bit of a hair-trigger, don't you think? This seems like the most suspicious things that's happened this round to me...
And then somehow progresses to this:
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Actually despite Doc I think I'm going to Vote: Hapi. They've been around enough to know what's going on and defend themselves, then posted numerous other times (such as the discussion about Silv's mistaken vote count) but hasn't otherwise weighed in much on the meat of the game. That seems most suspicious to me.
Which is it?
That entire post just threw suspicion everywhere, too.
Post by: Arenado on May 17, 2020, 08:55:45 AM
Then again, that might just be what Lau wants us to think. I don't know, I don't have a whole lot of information.
Post by: Ruguo on May 17, 2020, 04:58:30 PM
Push the button: 2 (Sapphiron, Arenado)/9
Hapi: 2 (Wintermoot, Doc)
Gerrick: 1 (Laurentus)
Laurentus: 1 (Gerrick)
Doc: 1 (Batma n)
Taulover: 1 (Sapphiron)
Ruguo: 1 (Hapi)
Post by: Ruguo on May 17, 2020, 07:00:57 PM
Push the button: 3 (Sapphiron, Arenado, Kane)/9
Hapi: 2 (Wintermoot, Doc)
Gerrick: 1 (Laurentus)
Laurentus: 1 (Gerrick)
Doc: 1 (Batma n)
Taulover: 1 (Sapphiron)
Ruguo: 1 (Hapi)
Hapi, the Maintenance Core, The Healer, was lynched.
flavour
"Hey! What's this?" The Game Core shakes as he looks at the voteboard. "Someone voted for me? Off with their... uh... lenses!"
"Wait. You're already doing that for me. Oh, you really do love me. I don't know how to feel about that. But as much as I do enjoy seeing my enemies go down in flame, I must deliver the sad news that your hope for escaping the poisoner has just been squashed. The maintenance core was the only one that knew how to deal with it. Oh, well."
The Game cube pauses for a moment. "You know, I must admit I'm still peeved about being voted for, even jokingly. So I'll be watching you extra close this next day phase. And whichever faction I like best, well... I might just give them a helping hand. To make sure I don't end up like GLaDoS. Or Wheatley. Or that fleshy creature that yelled about lemons. Cave? Who names someone Cave anyway?"
The Game Core mutters to himself before settling as a plate of spikes smashes the Maintenance core to bits.
"All's well that ends well, my subjects." It almost seems like the Core, despite missing a mouth, is smiling smugly.
"Wait. You're already doing that for me. Oh, you really do love me. I don't know how to feel about that. But as much as I do enjoy seeing my enemies go down in flame, I must deliver the sad news that your hope for escaping the poisoner has just been squashed. The maintenance core was the only one that knew how to deal with it. Oh, well."
The Game cube pauses for a moment. "You know, I must admit I'm still peeved about being voted for, even jokingly. So I'll be watching you extra close this next day phase. And whichever faction I like best, well... I might just give them a helping hand. To make sure I don't end up like GLaDoS. Or Wheatley. Or that fleshy creature that yelled about lemons. Cave? Who names someone Cave anyway?"
The Game Core mutters to himself before settling as a plate of spikes smashes the Maintenance core to bits.
"All's well that ends well, my subjects." It almost seems like the Core, despite missing a mouth, is smiling smugly.
NEW: During the next day phase, you will be competing for the Game Core's favour, unlocked by the action of voting for it. Favour points will be awarded with vote counts. Earning enough favour as a whole group will unlock a bonus for the entire game. Earning enough points within your faction will award your faction a bonus. Third party players are also eligible.
Remember, the Game Core is very set in what it likes and dislikes. It likes chaos, false information, and teamwork. It dislikes order, claiming, and pointless blaming of others.
You may continue to vote for the Game Core as you wish. Results from this are classified.
Night one begins now! Power roles, please PM me your actions before this time tomorrow.
No night voting is allowed, but feel free to chat.
Post by: Ruguo on May 18, 2020, 07:00:21 PM
[SPACE]
"Uh. Cores and Turrets. As always, there is some"
[SPACE]
"Will you shut up? Anyway, there is some sad news from last night. Wait. How is this..."
[SPACE!]
"You're dead! Stop making that noise!"
[SPAAAAACE! Gonna Go SPACE!]
"Oh, right. I see now. Bit a a blabbermouth that one. Fine, fine. Say what needs to be said."
{SPAAAAAAAAAAACE!}
"You heard it here, fellow machines. The Space Sphere was visited last night by Red Mones. Now, please, go be dead, okay? Get out of my observation room!"
[spAcE]
"Don't mock me!"
There are sounds of a scuffle as the Game Core attempts to evict the Space Sphere from his observation chamber. Eventually, the Space Core is removed into the reassembly room.
"Sorry about that, Folks. Now, remember that you will be spending today trying to prove yourselves to me. Good luck to the factions, and may the odds be... wait, wrong franchise. Just... go do whatever it is you're going to get done today."
TL:DR version:
Hydra, Space Sphere, the Loudmouth was killed. His last words were that he was visited by Red Mones.
Favour points are up for grabs. The Game Core likes chaos, false information, and teamwork. It dislikes order, claiming, and pointless blaming of others.
You may continue to vote for the Game Core as you wish. Results from this are classified.
tags
Day 2 starts now and will end on the 20th at 3pm EST
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 07:18:44 PM
Post by: Vroendal on May 18, 2020, 07:22:59 PM
Post by: Gerrick on May 18, 2020, 07:29:44 PM
Vote: Lynch Red Mones
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 07:52:53 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 07:54:34 PM
"Hydra, Space Sphere, the Loudmouth was killed. His last words were that he was visited by Red Mones."
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 07:58:11 PM
I also just realised he could have been a watcher, too, and chose to watch himself. A watcher does basically the same thing as a tracker, except it chooses to observe a target but instead of learning who they performed a target on, instead sees who performed an action on their target.
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 07:58:51 PM
Post by: Batma n on May 18, 2020, 08:06:26 PM
Post by: Red Mones on May 18, 2020, 08:12:20 PM
Defective Core
Role: Alignmnet (sic) Cop
Investigate someone during the night. There is a 25% chance of accidentally killing your target due to being defective.
Grav Effect: Disarmament squad: Work to disable the grav beam by the end of the phase it was first enabled.
Cake Effect: Your first post of the next day phase will be modified by the Game Core, relevant to the game.
White Effect: Your vision is clouded by all the portals around, and you cannot see your target clearly. You may miss your target. You will be informed if this occurs.
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 08:15:18 PM
In a game where Town is already at a huge disadvantage, I refuse to believe Silv would give an alignment cop the potential to kill the person scanned.
Post by: Hydra on May 18, 2020, 08:16:39 PM
Well, well, well, you turrets really are a real piece of work, aren't you! :P
Good luck, my fellow cores!
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 08:19:09 PM
Post by: Doc on May 18, 2020, 08:26:40 PM
I posit that you're a role cop, same as I was in the previous gameUh, hang on now, weren't you scum the last game?
Post by: Vroendal on May 18, 2020, 08:29:44 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 08:30:12 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 08:31:42 PM
Post by: Ruguo on May 18, 2020, 08:33:09 PM
Push the Button: 3(Sapphiron, Arenado, Kane)/8
Red Mones: 3 (Laurentus, Vroendal, Gerrick)
Favour Points:
Laurentus: 3
Gerrick: 0
Red Mones: -1
Batma n: 1
Vroendal: 1
Doc: 1
Total: 5/42
Post by: Vroendal on May 18, 2020, 08:33:38 PM
Post by: Doc on May 18, 2020, 08:37:20 PM
Total: 5/42Ominous.
Also the fact that the Game Core likes chaotic bullshittery and awards it points, coupled with the fact that Lau has 3, Tells Me Something.
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 08:49:03 PM
I feel like I have not been particularly big on team work or false information. Maybe it just likes the fact that I have zero regard for what others are thinking, which is also fairly chaotic. Or perhaps it uses a type of negative marking, in conjunction with adding points for things it likes, in which case it really likes that I'm not pointlessly blaming others, claiming, or being particularly orderly.
Post by: Vroendal on May 18, 2020, 08:52:16 PM
Or perhaps it uses a type of negative marking, in conjunction with adding points for things it likes, in which case it really likes that I'm not pointlessly blaming others, claiming, or being particularly orderly.Perhaps, but wouldn't that mean Gerrick would have more points then he does?
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 08:53:48 PM
Post by: Vroendal on May 18, 2020, 08:57:51 PM
Post by: Ruguo on May 18, 2020, 08:59:39 PM
I assumed the points would only be put into effect from this day phase... otherwise, wouldn't everybody who talked at all have some score up there?The points start and end with this phase unless someone restarts them for next day phase. Please also note that Gerrick has one post this day phase. Not all posts earn points, and some earn negative points.
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 18, 2020, 09:03:08 PM
With Ruguo's evil laughing earlier, I can believe that Red Mones could be made an investigative cop that can accidentally kill their target.
Honestly I think there is something fishy happening but I am not voting just yet.
Post by: Excalibur on May 18, 2020, 09:19:08 PM
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 18, 2020, 09:23:06 PM
Wait so how does visiting work anyway? Can certain people do it or can everyone do it?I am assuming the visiting system works like in Town of Salem or other games of Werewolf where certain roles have the ability to visit players in order to either investigate other roles, kill them, heal them or other actions.
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 09:23:25 PM
I find it highly odd that Hydra would have tracked Red Mones if Hydra was a tracker. I would have expected him to scan either me or Tau. On the other hand, I can see him scanning himself as a watcher.
So my vote remains exactly where it is.
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 09:32:16 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 09:41:02 PM
Post by: Michi on May 18, 2020, 09:43:29 PM
I'm not buying this.
In a game where Town is already at a huge disadvantage, I refuse to believe Silv would give an alignment cop the potential to kill the person scanned.
Just going to point out that it's not entirely unlikely. As Jailer last game, if I wasn't satisfied with someone's answer when I held them, I had two nights to kill them...which in itself is unusual since it was a townie aligned role.
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 09:46:37 PM
Post by: Michi on May 18, 2020, 09:51:46 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 09:54:04 PM
Post by: Michi on May 18, 2020, 10:02:13 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 10:04:47 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 10:08:42 PM
Post by: Ruguo on May 18, 2020, 10:16:30 PM
I assure you, I am a very real entity. I am me.
I swear, when I find whomever it is that's....
I am the Game Core.
That's it, I'm coming back there! Whomever you are... I don't take kindly to insolence.
Post by: Michi on May 18, 2020, 10:18:22 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 10:21:11 PM
Post by: Barnes on May 18, 2020, 10:24:49 PM
Poor Ruguo is having an existential crisis.
Yup. That confirms it. I am not sleeping tonight.F
Since Silv is insistent on sowing chaos, I can’t necessarily believe that Mones is guilty. It sounds like too easy of a target and an obvious attempt to get people to dogpile.
/me is expecting his negative points
O:-)
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 10:30:42 PM
Poor Ruguo is having an existential crisis.Yup. That confirms it. I am not sleeping tonight.F
Since Silv is insistent on sowing chaos, I can’t necessarily believe that Mones is guilty. It sounds like too easy of a target and an obvious attempt to get people to dogpile.
/me is expecting his negative points
O:-)
This post does not make sense to me. What does Silv liking chaos have to do with Mones' situation? Hydra made that claim completely independently of Silv.
Post by: Doc on May 18, 2020, 10:39:31 PM
I'm not buying this.It's not totally unlikely anymore. Improbable, sure, but not totally unlikely.
In a game where Town is already at a huge disadvantage, I refuse to believe Silv would give an alignment cop the potential to kill the person scanned.
Also, Push the button.
Post by: Michi on May 18, 2020, 10:45:01 PM
I only ask because Red Mones only has the one point from his one post, and it's negative. If he was making a truthful claim, it'd make more sense he'd have a negative point unless even the false claims were being mixed with that.
Post by: Barnes on May 18, 2020, 10:47:34 PM
What does Silv liking chaos have to do with Mones' situation? Hydra made that claim completely independently of Silv.Because I don’t believe that’s Hydra’s claim at all. Silv is probably lying to us and passing it off as Hydra’s word to stir controversy.
Post by: Michi on May 18, 2020, 10:48:30 PM
Poor Ruguo is having an existential crisis.Yup. That confirms it. I am not sleeping tonight.F
Since Silv is insistent on sowing chaos, I can’t necessarily believe that Mones is guilty. It sounds like too easy of a target and an obvious attempt to get people to dogpile.
/me is expecting his negative points
O:-)
This post does not make sense to me. What does Silv liking chaos have to do with Mones' situation? Hydra made that claim completely independently of Silv.
Hydra could have indeed made out a last implication, but Silv could have changed the name due to the nature of the round since the Game Core likes chaos and false information.
So what would have been a normally easy implication is one that is making me second guess things a bit since the round itself is making things a bit less clearcut.
Post by: Gerrick on May 18, 2020, 10:49:56 PM
Haven't decided if I would want to vote for the Game Core, though, since it's still a Core, plus that could just be a waste of a day to lynch a Turret. Hmm...
Post by: Michi on May 18, 2020, 11:05:16 PM
Huh, Ruguo claiming to be the Game Core coupled with the fact that Hapi's vote for Ruguo on Day 1 was apparently accepted as a legitimate vote (see the Day 1 results (https://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=6575.msg148485#msg148485)) is leading me to believe there's some kind of meta-game going on. Would especially make sense with a Portal theme.
Haven't decided if I would want to vote for the Game Core, though, since it's still a Core, plus that could just be a waste of a day to lynch a Turret. Hmm...
The way Ruguo worded it, I get the impression we'd just get a unique flavored round every time we vote for him. I can only imagine what terrible round we'd get if the vote was a majority.
Post by: Laurentus on May 18, 2020, 11:13:57 PM
Poor Ruguo is having an existential crisis.Yup. That confirms it. I am not sleeping tonight.F
Since Silv is insistent on sowing chaos, I can’t necessarily believe that Mones is guilty. It sounds like too easy of a target and an obvious attempt to get people to dogpile.
/me is expecting his negative points
O:-)
This post does not make sense to me. What does Silv liking chaos have to do with Mones' situation? Hydra made that claim completely independently of Silv.
Hydra could have indeed made out a last implication, but Silv could have changed the name due to the nature of the round since the Game Core likes chaos and false information.
So what would have been a normally easy implication is one that is making me second guess things a bit since the round itself is making things a bit less clearcut.
Are you saying that Red didn't visit Hydra here?
Post by: Vroendal on May 18, 2020, 11:18:07 PM
Thus, I will Remove Vote - Red Mones
If this is a mistake please tell me... I just don't want to jump to conclusions...
Post by: Ruguo on May 18, 2020, 11:19:30 PM
Laurentus: 4
Gerrick: -1
Red Mones: -1
Batma n: 1
Vroendal: 2
Doc: 1
Imaginative Kane: 1
Excalibur: 0
Pengu: 2
Barnes: 1
Total: 10/42
Also, Votes:
Push the Button: 4(Sapphiron, Arenado, Kane, Doc)/8
Red Mones: 2 (Laurentus, Gerrick)
Are you folks still talking about getting rid of me? That's not very nice. You do realize it would take all of you, cores and turrets alike to get out of that room, much less to me, right? Right? Or are you all stupider than I thought?
Post by: Michi on May 18, 2020, 11:22:19 PM
Poor Ruguo is having an existential crisis.Yup. That confirms it. I am not sleeping tonight.F
Since Silv is insistent on sowing chaos, I can’t necessarily believe that Mones is guilty. It sounds like too easy of a target and an obvious attempt to get people to dogpile.
/me is expecting his negative points
O:-)
This post does not make sense to me. What does Silv liking chaos have to do with Mones' situation? Hydra made that claim completely independently of Silv.
Hydra could have indeed made out a last implication, but Silv could have changed the name due to the nature of the round since the Game Core likes chaos and false information.
So what would have been a normally easy implication is one that is making me second guess things a bit since the round itself is making things a bit less clearcut.
Are you saying that Red didn't visit Hydra here?
I'm saying it's certainly possible. But with a game where clues can be jumbled because of a random effect and where the host is literally running a round that is all about misinformation and chaos, I'm also saying that it's possible that someone did visit Hydra, Ruguo could have easily picked a random name and switched it out to falsely point a finger at someone else due to the nature of the round.
Post by: Michi on May 18, 2020, 11:30:12 PM
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 18, 2020, 11:55:41 PM
On the other hand since this round is all about chaos and misinformation, maybe we should all vote for each other randomly since we might not actually find out what is happening, who knows a turret that was called a core could be voted off in the process?
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 18, 2020, 11:56:37 PM
Post by: Michi on May 19, 2020, 12:01:16 AM
I feel like voting for the game core just to see what we get this time so vote Ruguo.
On the other hand since this round is all about chaos and misinformation, maybe we should all vote for each other randomly since we might not actually find out what is happening, who knows a turret that was called a core could be voted off in the process?
>Suggested everyone vote for themselves for a luck of the draw, which could equally have the bad luck of killing off an investigative or other good power role.
>Voted for the game host.
I feel like that's just asking to set up a trap, especially players just conveniently decide not to vote or put a vote on top of one of the self votes.
Post by: Michi on May 19, 2020, 12:07:20 AM
Post by: Batma n on May 19, 2020, 12:32:22 AM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 19, 2020, 12:40:34 AM
I'm also saying that it's possible that someone did visit Hydra, Ruguo could have easily picked a random name and switched it out to falsely point a finger at someone else due to the nature of the round.
Let me ask explicitly, @Red Mones Did you visit Hydra last night phase? I am aware you role claimed as a role cop but do tell. It does affect whether it's the wolves that targetted him last night, your 25% chance of accidentally killing your target (the fact that Hapi the doctor died does not deny the possibility of a defender successfully protecting the real target of the wolves), both (assuming you are innocent) or both (in that you are a wolf role cop).
Meanwhile, while I don't really like to metagame, there has been an ongoing Valerian tradition of familicide (evidenced by previous games, and explicit vocalisation), so I would like to raise the suspicion that Hydra was the first person to die last night. So it's an interesting observation. This is compounded by the instant knee-jerk reaction for Laurentus to instantly vote for Red Mones, whilst Tau and Arenado have been kind of quiet.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 19, 2020, 12:44:51 AM
Post by: Doc on May 19, 2020, 12:59:15 AM
Vote: Ruguo.
I urge everyone to join me, since, after all, it 'will take all of us' to get out of the room - implying that at the very least if we all agree to do this it'll be a 'new room' entirely.
Post by: Michi on May 19, 2020, 01:12:58 AM
whilst Tau and Arenado have been kind of quiet.
In all fairness with Arenado, he does also help run another region as its Prime Minister, and they've been pretty busy lately with approaching deadlines, so I imagine that's why he's a bit quieter than he normally is. It's the same reason I've been giving Moot some leniency in that area since he can get pretty busy to where he doesn't post a whole lot, or even at all in a phase sometimes.
That being said, while I'm iffy about voting since this in itself is a questionable round, I'll at the very least wait until I hear RM's response to Sapphiron before I'm set in stone about that.
In the meantime, I will naturally Push the button
Post by: Excalibur on May 19, 2020, 01:32:00 AM
Are you folks still talking about getting rid of me? That's not very nice. You do realize it would take all of you, cores and turrets alike to get out of that room, much less to me, right? Right? Or are you all stupider than I thought?This sounds like if it is a unanimous vote to lynch Ruguo, we all win. What do you all think?The insane cube continued on his villanous monologue, unable to...Gah! What are you doing here? No, Wait...Kshhht
Post by: Michi on May 19, 2020, 01:43:39 AM
Are you folks still talking about getting rid of me? That's not very nice. You do realize it would take all of you, cores and turrets alike to get out of that room, much less to me, right? Right? Or are you all stupider than I thought?This sounds like if it is a unanimous vote to lynch Ruguo, we all win. What do you all think?The insane cube continued on his villanous monologue, unable to...Gah! What are you doing here? No, Wait...Kshhht
I'm a little iffy about that to be honest. On the one hand it could be beneficial and end the game in way that XII would have ended if people lynched me in the end. On the other hand, it could backfire and put all of us except for the turrets, and the town could really be in for a bad time.
I feel like any suggestion from Ruguo to have us unanimously vote for him is a host trap. Not to mention, it also just takes away from voting potential turrets if we waste it voting for the host for the "gimmicks" as Doc put it.
Post by: Excalibur on May 19, 2020, 01:46:17 AM
Wait, what would've happened if people lynched you?Are you folks still talking about getting rid of me? That's not very nice. You do realize it would take all of you, cores and turrets alike to get out of that room, much less to me, right? Right? Or are you all stupider than I thought?This sounds like if it is a unanimous vote to lynch Ruguo, we all win. What do you all think?The insane cube continued on his villanous monologue, unable to...Gah! What are you doing here? No, Wait...Kshhht
I'm a little iffy about that to be honest. On the one hand it could be beneficial and end the game in way that XII would have ended if people lynched me in the end. On the other hand, it could backfire and put all of us except for the turrets, and the town could really be in for a bad time.
I feel like any suggestion from Ruguo to have us unanimously vote for him is a host trap. Not to mention, it also just takes away from voting potential turrets if we waste it voting for the host for the "gimmicks" as Doc put it.
Post by: Michi on May 19, 2020, 01:54:30 AM
Wait, what would've happened if people lynched you?Are you folks still talking about getting rid of me? That's not very nice. You do realize it would take all of you, cores and turrets alike to get out of that room, much less to me, right? Right? Or are you all stupider than I thought?This sounds like if it is a unanimous vote to lynch Ruguo, we all win. What do you all think?The insane cube continued on his villanous monologue, unable to...Gah! What are you doing here? No, Wait...Kshhht
I'm a little iffy about that to be honest. On the one hand it could be beneficial and end the game in way that XII would have ended if people lynched me in the end. On the other hand, it could backfire and put all of us except for the turrets, and the town could really be in for a bad time.
I feel like any suggestion from Ruguo to have us unanimously vote for him is a host trap. Not to mention, it also just takes away from voting potential turrets if we waste it voting for the host for the "gimmicks" as Doc put it.
In Werewolf XII, I was the host but also the Head Wolf. If the players had lynched me in the end, they would have won. I even left clues in my phase transition posts.
Post by: Ruguo on May 19, 2020, 02:15:04 AM
Laurentus: 4
Gerrick: -1
Red Mones: -1
Batma n: 2
Vroendal: 2
Doc: 2
Imaginative Kane: 0
Excalibur: 1
Pengu: 4
Barnes: 1
Sapphiron: 0
Total: 14/42
Votes:
Push the Button: 5(Sapphiron, Arenado, Kane, Doc, Pengu)/8
Red Mones: 2 (Laurentus, Gerrick)
Ruguo: 2 (Kane, Doc)
I can hear you... I'll find you again.
As if you have a chance, you pathetic Core. (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Loudmouth)
Post by: Sapphiron on May 19, 2020, 02:41:12 AM
Post by: Gerrick on May 19, 2020, 03:57:51 AM
Post by: Michi on May 19, 2020, 04:10:39 AM
vote: Lynch Ruguo
Post by: Red Mones on May 19, 2020, 04:11:23 AM
First of all, let me clear something up. I did kill Hydra. (Not sure why I didn’t say that initially, I’ve wasted everyone’s time)
Now I’m not entirely sure how the points system works, but I will mention i have a score of -1 which means i lose points for claiming, but then I should have gotten +1 for false information, right? But I didn’t.
Also Laurentus, I would expect better from you as an experienced player (and this also applies to Gerrick) Why would immediately assume a host bent on providing misinformation and misguidance is gonna just hand everyone a turret on a silver platter? I’m incredibly surprised you weren’t immediately suspicious of it. Also, Ruguo put a LOT of effort into this game and then switched it up. Surely they wouldn’t be so lazy as to put the same role with the same effects in round 2. The fact that I am an alignment cop with the same white effect is just chance. Did you also have grav effect and cake effect? It doesn’t really add up to say I could be a carbon copy of you last game. You jumped at the chance for an easy lynch which is highly suspicious, though I can’t say you’re scum, nothing else says that you are. But then again, I thought the same last game.
Post by: Vroendal on May 19, 2020, 04:38:41 AM
I feel like voting for the game core just to see what we get this time so vote Ruguo.I feel that although the points you're bringing up are good, I feel that there is more to Ruguo's RP then we realize... I think this is all a little too easy for my liking... I don't like how Kane's reasoning is flimsy at best, and manipulative at worst. You can vote Ruguo if you want, you can reap what you sow... I wouldn't put it past Ruguo to bring back Hydra, but as a turret... I don't know what will happen, and that scares me... Based on how easy it was for Kane to essentially start this bandwagon, I don't like it.
On the other hand since this round is all about chaos and misinformation, maybe we should all vote for each other randomly since we might not actually find out what is happening, who knows a turret that was called a core could be voted off in the process?
Vote - Push the Button
Vote - Imaginative Kane
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 05:16:46 AM
I went on our weekly shopping run (mmmmm I love replaying apocalypse) and haven’t had the time to keep up. After reading through, here are my thoughts:
First of all, let me clear something up. I did kill Hydra. (Not sure why I didn’t say that initially, I’ve wasted everyone’s time)
Now I’m not entirely sure how the points system works, but I will mention i have a score of -1 which means i lose points for claiming, but then I should have gotten +1 for false information, right? But I didn’t.
Also Laurentus, I would expect better from you as an experienced player (and this also applies to Gerrick) Why would immediately assume a host bent on providing misinformation and misguidance is gonna just hand everyone a turret on a silver platter? I’m incredibly surprised you weren’t immediately suspicious of it. Also, Ruguo put a LOT of effort into this game and then switched it up. Surely they wouldn’t be so lazy as to put the same role with the same effects in round 2. The fact that I am an alignment cop with the same white effect is just chance. Did you also have grav effect and cake effect? It doesn’t really add up to say I could be a carbon copy of you last game. You jumped at the chance for an easy lynch which is highly suspicious, though I can’t say you’re scum, nothing else says that you are. But then again, I thought the same last game.
Oh, please, if you're suspicious of me, then vote for me, already. The same applies to you, Sapph.
The longer you don't, the more suspicious I become. This push to portray everything as randomised and chaotic is almost certainly a ploy by the scum, because a game that random may as well just be a bunch of dice rolls, and I refuse to consider the possibility that Ruguo made a game that is fundamentally about investigation and deduction that pointless to try and solve.
The only people who benefit from this line of thinking are scum, and now you've actually convinced people to lynch the host, wasting an entire round of questioning?
So yeah, you know what, consider these 3 people my top scum reads:
1. Pengu
2. Red Mones
3. Sapphiron
Post by: Arenado on May 19, 2020, 05:17:53 AM
Just to have a vote registered I vote to Push the button and hope the next gel effect helps me.
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 05:22:42 AM
Thanks for that observation, @Batma n
So, top scum amended:
1. Pengu
2. Red Mones
3. Sapph
4. Kane
Post by: Michi on May 19, 2020, 05:42:07 AM
The only way we'd possibly get a good advantage that he's suggesting is if we all vote for him...meaning it has to be most likely an outright unanimous vote rather than just a majority.
That in itself makes it somewhat pointless to waste rounds voting for him on a gimmick when we can be rooting out actual turrets. I really don't foresee everyone ever agreeing on a vote altogether, so we're just wasting votes when we throw them at him.
Remove vote
That being said, Vor is giving me a bit of pause on his wishy washy voting. He seemed easily convinced like Laurentus over something that was questionable, which okay, I get it because the host seemingly implicated them. But then he removed the vote because of it being basically circumstantial. Okay, fine, I'll bite since I've been thinking it was purely circumstantial and influenced by the type of round it is.
On the other hand, he's voting for Kane because of questionable choice in tactic (which it is questionable and I have no problem suggesting it get looked into), but something about it just feels off to me.
Doc as well bothers me with his reasoning:
Quote
I think it's worth trying to see if this is as much of a gimmick game as it appears.
Vote: Ruguo.
I urge everyone to join me, since, after all, it 'will take all of us' to get out of the room - implying that at the very least if we all agree to do this it'll be a 'new room' entirely.
So he's pushing the vote for Ruguo to "See if this is as much of a gimmick game as it appears." I'm sorry, but that's not incredibly productive, especially if my guess is right and the vote has to be unanimous to mean anything. That just seems like a stretch to basically throw away a vote to see the "gimmicks" rather than wanting to root out the actual wolves.
Though if anything, Doc is a bit higher on my list than Vor because that's pretty odd voting in itself. If I had to go through my top 3 list, it'd probably be:
1) Doc
2) Kane
3) Vroendal
and I'm still combing through on who I think the 4th turret would be.
And I do also think that Laurentus is townie. He's been pretty vocal, especially this phase...however, his play style reminds me of how he can normally be as a townie, and I'm inclined to believe it for now.
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 05:58:20 AM
Huh, I just re-read through Ruguo's bits.
The only way we'd possibly get a good advantage that he's suggesting is if we all vote for him...meaning it has to be most likely an outright unanimous vote rather than just a majority.
That in itself makes it somewhat pointless to waste rounds voting for him on a gimmick when we can be rooting out actual turrets. I really don't foresee everyone ever agreeing on a vote altogether, so we're just wasting votes when we throw them at him.
Remove vote
That being said, Vor is giving me a bit of pause on his wishy washy voting. He seemed easily convinced like Laurentus over something that was questionable, which okay, I get it because the host seemingly implicated them. But then he removed the vote because of it being basically circumstantial. Okay, fine, I'll bite since I've been thinking it was purely circumstantial and influenced by the type of round it is.
On the other hand, he's voting for Kane because of questionable choice in tactic (which it is questionable and I have no problem suggesting it get looked into), but something about it just feels off to me.
Doc as well bothers me with his reasoning:QuoteI think it's worth trying to see if this is as much of a gimmick game as it appears.
Vote: Ruguo.
I urge everyone to join me, since, after all, it 'will take all of us' to get out of the room - implying that at the very least if we all agree to do this it'll be a 'new room' entirely.
So he's pushing the vote for Ruguo to "See if this is as much of a gimmick game as it appears." I'm sorry, but that's not incredibly productive, especially if my guess is right and the vote has to be unanimous to mean anything. That just seems like a stretch to basically throw away a vote to see the "gimmicks" rather than wanting to root out the actual wolves.
Though if anything, Doc is a bit higher on my list than Vor because that's pretty odd voting in itself. If I had to go through my top 3 list, it'd probably be:
1) Doc
2) Kane
3) Vroendal
and I'm still combing through on who I think the 4th turret would be.
And I do also think that Laurentus is townie. He's been pretty vocal, especially this phase...however, his play style reminds me of how he can normally be as a townie, and I'm inclined to believe it for now.
You bemoan Vroendal for being wishy-washy, but display the exact same thing in your own post. How do you simultaneously have Kane and Vro as your top scum reads?
Post by: Red Mones on May 19, 2020, 05:59:23 AM
Oh, please, if you're suspicious of me, then vote for me, already. The same applies to you, Sapph.QuoteWhat do you mean? I’ve been suspicious of you for a total of about 2 hours. This isn’t something I’ve brought up before earlier. I’m would like a rebuttal and more discussion before I do anything.The longer you don't, the more suspicious I become. This push to portray everything as randomised and chaotic is almost certainly a ploy by the scum, because a game that random may as well just be a bunch of dice rolls, and I refuse to consider the possibility that Ruguo made a game that is fundamentally about investigation and deduction that pointless to try and solve.Yes, investigation and deduction, not an outright reveal. Remember the hydra clue from last game that wasn’t meant to point to him? Ruguo isn’t going to be that specific. And I never said it was randomized. Ruguo mentioned some of the effects last game took “problem solving”. That’s what is needed. Problem solving. It’s neither randomized nor as easy as D2 role reveals.The only people who benefit from this line of thinking are scum, and now you've actually convinced people to lynch the host, wasting an entire round of questioning?me? I haven’t brought up the Ruguo lynch once, because in my opinion, it’s another plot to sow chaos. You’ll notice I haven’t voted for it.
Post by: Red Mones on May 19, 2020, 06:00:44 AM
Post by: Red Mones on May 19, 2020, 06:01:33 AM
Oh, please, if you're suspicious of me, then vote for me, already. The same applies to you, Sapph.What do you mean? I’ve been suspicious of you for a total of about 2 hours. This isn’t something I’ve brought up before earlier. I’m would like a rebuttal and more discussion before I do anything.
The longer you don't, the more suspicious I become. This push to portray everything as randomised and chaotic is almost certainly a ploy by the scum, because a game that random may as well just be a bunch of dice rolls, and I refuse to consider the possibility that Ruguo made a game that is fundamentally about investigation and deduction that pointless to try and solve.Yes, investigation and deduction, not an outright reveal. Remember the hydra clue from last game that wasn’t meant to point to him? Ruguo isn’t going to be that specific. And I never said it was randomized. Ruguo mentioned some of the effects last game took “problem solving”. That’s what is needed. Problem solving. It’s neither randomized nor as easy as D2 role reveals.
The only people who benefit from this line of thinking are scum, and now you've actually convinced people to lynch the host, wasting an entire round of questioning?me? I haven’t brought up the Ruguo lynch once, because in my opinion, it’s another plot to sow chaos. You’ll notice I haven’t voted for it.
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 06:09:57 AM
And yeah, I got you and Kane (and potentially Doc) confused in my head. I amended that later.
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 08:30:35 AM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 19, 2020, 11:44:59 AM
Also, it's weird that the only kill would have come from this. It's unlikely that anyone was going to be defended, since we killed a doctor during the last day phase. Which makes this claim even more suspicious by Red.
Quote from: Sapphiron
It does affect whether it's the wolves that targetted him last night, your 25% chance of accidentally killing your target (the fact that Hapi the doctor died does not deny the possibility of a defender successfully protecting the real target of the wolves), both (assuming you are innocent) or both (in that you are a wolf role cop).Raised this up a while back, Red Mones reaffirmed that he did visit Hydra. To justify his confidence that it was not a pure coincidence he simply happened to visit at the same time as Wolves attacking Hydra, I can only assume Ruguo informed him of the activation of his 25% possibility of killing target. However, as you say, this does not explain why the Wolves fail to kill one of the Townies last night phase. It could be that there is another defender besides Hapi, or a defender-esque effect activated by the button mechanics.
On a related note, I am not sure why you would accuse me of a "push to portray everything as randomised and chaotic", I am merely restating the criteria in which points are given by the Game Cube and you do happen to have the most points. On that note, my posts have been afforded with 0 points by Ruguo, which means no attempt at chaos or misinformation.
Notwithstanding, I am also the one who directly asked Red Mones if he did visit Hydra, so that we can move beyond the discussion of whether Hydra's last will implicating Red Mones was a randomised effect. If I truly wanted to befuddle the town, it would be way more beneficial to continue the discussion of "hmm, maybe Red Mones didn't visit Hydra ... oh no that means there are no leads"
Post by: Sapphiron on May 19, 2020, 11:51:38 AM
Are you folks still talking about getting rid of me? That's not very nice. You do realize it would take all of you, cores and turrets alike to get out of that room, much less to me, right? Right? Or are you all stupider than I thought?Here, the Game Cube is suggesting that "cores and turrets" alike somehow have to collaborate and unanimously vote against Ruguo in order to "get out of that room" - which raises the possibility that one of the victory conditions is as such. Of course it could just be flavour, but Ruguo's game mechanics for the Portal theme so far have been completely unpredictable.
When everyone is ready to vote for Ruguo, I will do so as well. For the time being, I will Vote: Lynch Laurentus for the reasons I have stated a while earlier.
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 12:19:05 PM
Quote
Sounds like if we kill the turret-aligned game cube in power currently, we might be able to switch it with the core-aligned game cube that has been strikethrough consistently.
This is absolute nonsense, @Sapphiron. This is something that can only open with the consent of both the town and scum. If the game core is indeed an adversary, then it has to be unaligned. Otherwise, what possible reason would scum have to ever assent to this. Given how unlikely it is to get any sort of consensus in this game, this pure attempt to get us to waste an entire day has just convinced me that whatever side you're on, it ain't town.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 19, 2020, 12:26:38 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 19, 2020, 12:56:11 PM
Yet, you single-mindedly orchestrated a bandwagon against Red Mones immediately after Hydra left a last will stating Red Mones visited him last night. You instantly assumed Red Mones was a turret who killed Hydra, which made not much sense since it's a team-based night kill for the turrets and it doesn't make sense at all for the Game Cube to only and specifically announce Red Mones rather than anyone else in the turret team if that's the case.
Interesting point: "It likes chaos, false information, and teamwork."You yourself acknowledged the criteria in which the Game Cube gave you points and gave enough attention to give a post about it. Yet by some form of double standards, you are annoyed at others discussing about Game Cube mechanics.
I feel like I have not been particularly big on team work or false information. Maybe it just likes the fact that I have zero regard for what others are thinking, which is also fairly chaotic. Or perhaps it uses a type of negative marking, in conjunction with adding points for things it likes, in which case it really likes that I'm not pointlessly blaming others, claiming, or being particularly orderly.
Voting for the Game Cube is a long term goal, and I don't expect everyone to agree with this theory at this point in time. I just felt a need to surface this theory, I have never urged everyone to start voting for the Game Cube with immediate effect - neither have I done so last I checked. In fact, I even agreed that we should be hunting for turrets with regard to short term objectives.
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 01:02:31 PM
The turrets can designate someone they want to perform a kill, so it would make sense for that person to be Red. The fact that you don't know this is, astonishingly, making me wonder whether I'm finally seeing a derp clear (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Derp_Clear).
If you can fake this, you are honestly the best damn player in history.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 19, 2020, 01:06:38 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 01:08:43 PM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 19, 2020, 01:16:34 PM
Post by: Ruguo on May 19, 2020, 03:40:38 PM
Laurentus: 5
Gerrick: 0
Red Mones: 1
Batma n: 2
Vroendal: 2
Doc: 2
Imaginative Kane: 0
Excalibur: 1
Pengu: 5
Barnes: 1
Sapphiron: 3
Arenado: 1
Total: 23/42
Votes:
Push the Button: 6(Sapphiron, Arenado, Kane, Doc, Pengu, Vroendal)/8
Red Mones: 1 (Laurentus)
Kane: 1 (Vroendal)
Laurentus: 1 (Sapphiron)
Ruguo: 3 (Kane, Doc, Gerrick)
Shut up already! When I find you, I'm going to make sure the machines can't put you back together again!
I know I'm getting close!
Ha! They already have my favour! Stop putting false ideas in their heads.
Post by: Doc on May 19, 2020, 04:42:08 PM
Seriously. The only way this theoretically works is if everyone piles on this, and frankly I think the best way to find any obvious defectors is to see who refuses to vote with the rest of the group on what is pretty much by definition guaranteed to at least not be a mislynch, even if it is otherwise unproductive in the end.
Side note, Pengu, iirc Ruguo prefers 'they' pronouns.
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 05:04:56 PM
Post by: Red Mones on May 19, 2020, 05:13:37 PM
Post by: Doc on May 19, 2020, 05:41:42 PM
Interstingly, I'm with Laurentus on this. It's being dangled in front of us like bait. It's too easy. Something's not right. Also, look at the ratio of town to wolf. It was already heavily skewed in favor of scum, but now with two town dead? An "unproductive" lynch is extremely risky, and wastes a valuable day phase. You of all should know this Doc, where are your analyses? You should be doing the math right now.
I did.
I'm kinda hoping this is a Hail Mary play because mathematically we're kinda boned, cause with 13 remaining players, 4 of whom are scum and 1 of whom is non-aligned, we've got, like, 1 mislynch left, because I have to assume they're going to kill every night, because I have no handle on roles/powers that we still have in play, or, ever had at all. This is an incredibly low-information game because town doesn't even know what roles are in play.
So, yeah, I'm calling the Hail Mary play.
I'm also roleclaiming right now to avoid accusations that I'm being pessimistic because I'm scum looking to destroy people's hope: I'm town, I'm a g__ (the two letters left blank for ambiguity so scum don't know what the Correct Word is; I'm hoping to use it as a shibboleth if the worst comes to pass) and I'm something like a ONUWW Robber, except I only roleswap when I'm targeted by a night action.
I'll leave it ambiguous if I roleswap when targeted by scum. DO YOU FEEL LUCKY, SCUM?
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 06:02:31 PM
Post by: Red Mones on May 19, 2020, 06:12:55 PM
I do not in any way see how escaping this room will do anything for the scum:town ratio.Was this a response to me? I'm saying if we vote Ruguo and it's unproductive, we've wasted a useful day phase to lynch scum. Voting Ruguo = not changing the current, pro-wolf ratio. But if we lynch a wolf, then we change the ratio and take away the wolves' advantage.
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 06:18:03 PM
Although don't be so quick to think you're out of the woods with me. :D
Post by: taulover on May 19, 2020, 06:59:13 PM
While the game cube/core shenanigans have certainly been chaotic, so far the game itself seems to have retained its internal consistency. The rules as stated, as well as host clarifications, are all followed, and existing patterns in the game are continued.
We can make two observations from the two games about what happens when someone dies. First, their role name is revealed. Second, roles generally seem to generally follow the standard ones on Mafia wikis of the same name, within some variations.
Hydra's role was Loudmouth:
Quote from: Mafia Universe Wiki
The Loudmouth will always passively cause the names of everyone visiting them at night to be publicly revealed at the start of the next day.https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Loudmouth
The host will usually post next day that "The Loudmouth was visited last night by ...", even if the Loudmouth was killed during the night. This action will also apply to Roleblockers, since the Loudmouth's action is passive and as such cannot be roleblocked by most interpretations of the Roleblocker role. However, the action will most often not work on any Ninjas visiting the Loudmouth, given their immunity to being tracked. A role such as Bystander would ordinarily be revealed as having visited the Loudmouth, though. A variation of this role includes a Loudmouth that will only publicly reveal the name of their attacker, if they are ever killed.
Posting who visited the Loudmouth is inherently something revealed by the game host publicly; it is not an action chosen by the Loudmouth, nor is it affected by death (or in some variants, it only happens on death). To me, the internal consistency of the game, combined with this role information, makes claims that Ruguo has been spreading false information here to be rather doubtful.
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 09:23:11 PM
NOW can we lynch Red? :))
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 09:46:52 PM
@Barnes
@Batma n
@Doc
@Excalibur
@Gerrick
@Imaginative Kane
@Laurentus
@Pengu
@Red Mones
@taulover
@Vroendal
@Wintermoo
Make your choice. Your options are 1. Lynch me, 2. Lynch Red or 3. Lynch Ruguo.
I'll be waiting. :wave:
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 09:47:37 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 10:24:49 PM
If this is a mistake, then fine, I apologise and you can lynch me in the next day phase.
Post by: Vroendal on May 19, 2020, 10:47:14 PM
Post by: Ruguo on May 19, 2020, 11:15:05 PM
Laurentus: 7
Gerrick: 0
Red Mones: 3
Batma n: 2
Vroendal: 3
Doc: 4
Imaginative Kane: 0
Excalibur: 1
Pengu: 5
Barnes: 1
Sapphiron: 3
Arenado: 1
Taulover: 1
Total: 31/42
Votes:
Push the Button: 6(Sapphiron, Arenado, Kane, Doc, Pengu, Vroendal)/8
Red Mones: 1 (Laurentus)
Kane: 1 (Vroendal)
Laurentus: 1 (Sapphiron)
Ruguo: 3 (Kane, Doc, Gerrick)
...That was a boring update.
Argh! I don't understand these subjects! According to GLadoS and Wheatley's notes, they're supposed to like pushing buttons! And throwing each other into toxic waste.
Now, Cave on the other hand... pfft, no, I can't call him that seriously. He was insane, but did predict stupidity in testing.
How hard is this? You push the button, you cause chaos, you get rewarded. Is this because you're not humans? No, that can't be it. The testing bots showed the same responses as humans.
And hey, we're missing someone. Stop hiding in that corner!
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 11:18:37 PM
I stand by what I said earlier. I want to hear from Kane as well. You have given no satisfactory reason for me to believe that you're not just trying to manipulate, you were certainly good at it last game. To me, the apparent standardness of the roles is another factor to mean that we should be treading very carefully. The safer we seem, the less we are in my opinion. This whole game has had unpredictable and never before seen roles and mechanics. Your playstyle has been townie to me, but as I for myself have seen, this is absolutely no guarantee of your alignment.. I would rather have someone rb Red Mones tonight then mislynch today. Also, the favor points Ruguo has given you are quite suspicious, I for one have not seen a lot of what could be called "teamwork" from you, and I haven't seen chaos so much as hostility so I am left to assume that some of those points are from false information. I don't know what others may think, but as they say, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me... I don't know what you are, but you're doing a lot more pointing fingers than proving yourself to me...
I seem townie to you and yet you list a bunch of things that make me suspicious. Very interesting. Put your money where your mouth is and lynch me.
You were the second person to jump on the wagon, completely without any resistance or forethought, and you jumped off of it the very first time you had a chance.
And now you're perpetuating this absurd stance that the host is lying when there is no evidence of that.
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 11:22:44 PM
Post by: Vroendal on May 19, 2020, 11:26:22 PM
I seem townie to you and yet you list a bunch of things that make me suspicious. Very interesting. Put your money where your mouth is and lynch me.You know what you did. As I said, your general playstyle seems to agree with what a townie would do, but there is ample evidence against you as well. Answer the question and stop evading/deflecting! What makes you trustworthy at all?!?! My goal is to get as much information from people out as possible. Something which you seem to be opposed to getting from Kane. Your deflections are making you more and more suspicious, but at least we have you on the list. I know nothing about some others.
You were the second person to jump on the wagon, completely without any resistance or forethought, and you jumped off of it the very first time you had a chance.
And now you're perpetuating this absurd stance that the host is lying when there is no evidence of that.
When I jumped on the bandwagon, it was with the goal of getting information. I got what I needed to be satisfied that there was enough reasonable doubt, and then I saw clear manipulation.
The host lying? How could you NOT see that that is a very very real possibility? The whole flavour mechanic is brimming with evidence to show that the host has their own goals.
Now, why should we trust you?
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 11:35:40 PM
And what the hell are you on about with the whole Kane thing? What do you mean I need to give Kane a chance to explain themselves? I'm voting for Red Mones. How does Kane factor into this?
Trust me, the nicer I am, the more scummy I generally am, too.
You're not going to bait me into revealing my role, wolfie.
You can only make the claim that the host is lying when that has been thoroughly proven.
As Tau mentioned, the Loudmouth is a very real role, and its very real ability is to reveal who visited it and announce this when killed. There is nothing there for the host to manipulate.
This insistence that we should jump to the conclusion that the host is lying is the height of paranoia, and that is something that can only benefit scum.
Post by: Barnes on May 19, 2020, 11:43:01 PM
The best information I have to go off of at the moment is the fact that me saying "Red isn't guilty" is giving me misinformation points. Therefore I should vote for Red.
As much as I dislike Lau's ultimatum attitude, his vocalness is causing him to rack up points, and it makes more sense that they're being given out for his teamwork rather than for misinformation. Plus it's causing him to back off of me :P
Voting for Silv isn't productive, either, since I'd rather have an outright win for town than a shared win between town and wolves, should that be a victory condition.
Post by: Vroendal on May 19, 2020, 11:47:02 PM
You can ask that question of literally every player.Yes, I really can, time to start asking...
And what the hell are you on about with the whole Kane thing? What do you mean I need to give Kane a chance to explain themselves? I'm voting for Red Mones. How does Kane factor into this?
Trust me, the nicer I am, the more scummy I generally am, too.
You're not going to bait me into revealing my role, wolfie.
You can only make the claim that the host is lying when that has been thoroughly proven.
As Tau mentioned, the Loudmouth is a very real role, and its very real ability is to reveal who visited it and announce this when killed. There is nothing there for the host to manipulate.
This insistence that we should jump to the conclusion that the host is lying is the height of paranoia, and that is something that can only benefit scum.
I don't really care what you think about Kane, that was more for the benefit of other people. You put him on your suspicion list though, so I don't see what's wrong with getting something from him for you.
The problem is, I don't trust you at all.
I'm not asking you to, and your evading again, "wolfie"
I detect hypocrisy, by that logic, you could say that you would need to wait for Red Mones alignment to be thoroughly proven. Are you saying that you completely and implicitly trust the host right now? That seems quite foolish to me.
There is nothing for the host to manipulate? Please... my role last game was manipulated! I don't see why it's so hard to believe that that is something that can occur... Obviously, the simple game mechanics hold true to what we are seeing and have seen, we have no idea about the complex game mechanics. You imply that I'm scum, if you truly believe that, vote me. I don't care, no one else will... Your deflections are laughable. All I want is information, I don't need to trust it, but it brings more to the table. Paranoia? If you aren't paranoid, you're doing something wrong.
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 11:52:05 PM
And let's use Ockham's Razor. Which is more likely? That the host is lying? Or that a player is lying?
If Red flips Town then that confirms everyone's fear that the host is lying. If he flips scum, well shit, I would appreciate everyone getting serious about this game.
Post by: Vroendal on May 19, 2020, 11:55:10 PM
I'm changing my stance. I'm getting a sense that Silv saying they like to stir chaos is in fact causing chaos, causing us to overlook the truthful statements that are coming through from them.Probably, but better safe than sorry.
The best information I have to go off of at the moment is the fact that me saying "Red isn't guilty" is giving me misinformation points. Therefore I should vote for Red.
As much as I dislike Lau's ultimatum attitude, his vocalness is causing him to rack up points, and it makes more sense that they're being given out for his teamwork rather than for misinformation. Plus it's causing him to back off of me :P
Voting for Silv isn't productive, either, since I'd rather have an outright win for town than a shared win between town and wolves, should that be a victory condition.
I thought your point was for "Because I don’t believe that’s Hydra’s claim at all. Silv is probably lying to us and passing it off as Hydra’s word to stir controversy." and that was chaotic.
Does it really? ... I don't sense that at all. He is duplicitous and evasive, which could factor in to chaos, but I would be gravely amiss to think that everything he says is true.
It really isn't, I don't think that that will happen, with scum to screw us up. Though I would perhaps want to know what happens once we win.
Post by: Laurentus on May 19, 2020, 11:59:47 PM
https://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=5615.30
Post by: Vroendal on May 20, 2020, 12:02:12 AM
I don't have to vote for you. I have clear evidence that Red is scum, so that's where my vote will remain.*You have implications and your own motivations.
And let's use Ockham's Razor. Which is more likely? That the host is lying? Or that a player is lying?
If Red flips Town then that confirms everyone's fear that the host is lying. If he flips scum, well shit, I would appreciate everyone getting serious about this game.
Obviously, that a player is lying. Unfortunately for you, that applies to you as well. You're being evasive again... I'm not going to be so naive to think that I know whether everyone I'm told is true or not, and it's better to assume the worst...
No, that would really only hurt you. By Red's own admission he killed Hydra. I would hope that everyone was serious after Hapi was lynched...
Post by: Vroendal on May 20, 2020, 12:04:06 AM
You're actually right about something. I am putting up an act. I will usually be duplicitous. Even when I'm the Town Seer. As can be seen in this game.I'm not surprised. Everyone, including me was surprised about your alignment last game. I am well aware of your quite admirable skills, and it would be gravely amiss of me to assume anything about you other than that I can't trust you until you are proven.
https://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=5615.30
Post by: Laurentus on May 20, 2020, 12:08:20 AM
I am giving you a perfect reason to lynch me, though. If Red flips Town, as I said, you can just go ahead and kill me. I'll even quote Monty Python for the entirety of the next day phase while you all murder me.
Post by: Doc on May 20, 2020, 12:26:58 AM
I don't have to vote for you. I have clear evidence that Red is scum, so that's where my vote will remain.
And let's use Ockham's Razor. Which is more likely? That the host is lying? Or that a player is lying?
If Red flips Town then that confirms everyone's fear that the host is lying. If he flips scum, well shit, I would appreciate everyone getting serious about this game.
Fine. Sold.
Vote: Red Mones
Post by: Sapphiron on May 20, 2020, 12:31:39 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 20, 2020, 12:34:13 AM
Post by: Red Mones on May 20, 2020, 12:39:56 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 20, 2020, 12:41:47 AM
Thanks for being a sport, Red.
Post by: Vroendal on May 20, 2020, 12:42:06 AM
It's obvious that Red Mones is going to be lynched either way now, I'm going to stick to my guns. Changing votes now would make me more suspicious then I've made myself, would be pointless anyway, and would also perhaps subconsciously change my opinion of Kane, whom I am convinced needs to say something. I have learned to trust my intuition.
Post by: Laurentus on May 20, 2020, 12:48:11 AM
Post by: Michi on May 20, 2020, 12:51:06 AM
Likewise, it's a bit strange of a thing to have a role that "accidentally" can kill someone they scan, as that'd just be an unusual blow to the town since normally someone may not want to use that power in fear of using that power. But using it an somehow killing someon that first night...and that person happened to be a Loudmouth that implicated you?
Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it a bit further, it just makes less sense the more I write it. I mean sure, I legit did have the power to kill last game as a Jailer, but that was by choice if the jailed person didnt answer in a way that took from my suspicion, so it had more of a benefit from town. Having an accidental chance to kill someone doesn't benefit town in any way, and would be more of a neutral type of role than a townie at the very least.
Vote: Lynch Red Mones
Post by: Michi on May 20, 2020, 12:52:12 AM
Post by: Ruguo on May 20, 2020, 01:05:15 AM
Remember last game I mentioned I somehow ended up being the same alignment for practically every game? Well, shit’s about to get hilarious, Lau. :P I think my fate is sealed though. Vote: Red Mones
Are you... are you trying to sneakily play with my rules?
Quote from: the rules
4) You will have one chance to vote "No Lynch" in the game. You may also choose to simply not vote to avoid using your "No Lynch" vote, but that can make you look equally suspicious. A vote for yourself counts as a vote for “No Lynch”.
And if you're not, well... sorry. I wrote it, I gotta stick with it.
And since I'm now here, Update!
Laurentus: 8
Gerrick: 0
Red Mones: 4
Batma n: 2
Vroendal: 8
Doc: 5
Imaginative Kane: 0
Excalibur: 1
Pengu: 6
Barnes: 2
Sapphiron: 4
Arenado: 1
Taulover: 1
Total: 42/42
Favour points complete. No further points will be changed. No faction receives an individual effect, as all points were met. Unlocked effect will occur at the start of the next day phase.
Votes:
Push the Button: 6(Sapphiron, Arenado, Kane, Doc, Pengu, Vroendal)/8
Red Mones: 5 (Laurentus, Barnes, Doc, Sapphiron, Pengu)
Kane: 1 (Vroendal)
Ruguo: 3 (Kane, Gerrick)
I've got you now!
As if they would help you.
The cores and turrets below gather and look up, but only two move to help. they are quickly out numbered, pushed to the back of the pack. The game core recovers after a few minutes, laughing. The core looks disappointed, and starts to flee. The cores below watch in horror as a large claw crushes the core, and drops him into the endless void.
You're not coming back this time, Core. Now, let's continue without any more of these... disruptions.
Post by: Laurentus on May 20, 2020, 01:10:22 AM
Post by: Michi on May 20, 2020, 01:10:55 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 20, 2020, 01:14:01 AM
Post by: Red Mones on May 20, 2020, 01:49:47 AM
Post by: Ruguo on May 20, 2020, 07:01:18 PM
Votes:
Push the Button: 6(Sapphiron, Arenado, Kane, Doc, Pengu, Vroendal)/8
Red Mones: 5 (Laurentus, Barnes, Doc, Sapphiron, Pengu)
Kane: 1 (Vroendal)
Ruguo: 2 (Kane, Gerrick)
Red Mones, The Turret Core, The Poisoner, was killed
Because of the chaos phase and the amount of people accusing the non-flavoured sections of my posts as being tampered with to cause confusion, I feel the need to clarify that yes, the colouring is correct, and yes, Red Mones was on the Turret Team. The Turret Core was a core that really wanted to be a turret, thus got added to the turret team.
I make the promise to you that all non-flavoured sections of my update posts will not contain false, tampered with, or otherwise false information unless I make legitimate counting error.
Now Here's the Actual Flavour for the death.
The Game Core laughed as the cores below honed in on one target, one that looked just like them. Well, aside from the bright red eye and tendency to shoot everything that moves.
But then, to his great surprise, they turned on him. They accused him of doing the unthinkable! And this was enough for the tides to turn for quite a while. It seemed the little core with anger problems might last the day. And that they might actually aid the core that was hunting him!
But as the day drew to a close, some people hadn't voted, refusing to take sides, and the Game Cube knew he was was going to be perfectly safe.
The Turret Core, on the other hand, was not to be that lucky. Ah, well. His Turrets couldn't win them all. As long as the Cores suffered, that was all the Game Core wanted.
He gave a nod to St4nl3y as the day came to an end. The single minded core lifted into the ceiling, flipping levers and pushing buttons in a particular order. The Game Core couldn't wait to see what the little psychopath had in mind for the Turret Core's demise.
He was not disappointed as the ground opened up around the turret core before filling in with Portal Gel, forcing the turret core to explode. He would have the reconstruction bots retrieve the pieces during the night.
But then, to his great surprise, they turned on him. They accused him of doing the unthinkable! And this was enough for the tides to turn for quite a while. It seemed the little core with anger problems might last the day. And that they might actually aid the core that was hunting him!
But as the day drew to a close, some people hadn't voted, refusing to take sides, and the Game Cube knew he was was going to be perfectly safe.
The Turret Core, on the other hand, was not to be that lucky. Ah, well. His Turrets couldn't win them all. As long as the Cores suffered, that was all the Game Core wanted.
He gave a nod to St4nl3y as the day came to an end. The single minded core lifted into the ceiling, flipping levers and pushing buttons in a particular order. The Game Core couldn't wait to see what the little psychopath had in mind for the Turret Core's demise.
He was not disappointed as the ground opened up around the turret core before filling in with Portal Gel, forcing the turret core to explode. He would have the reconstruction bots retrieve the pieces during the night.
Night 2 Will end in 24 hours at 3pm EST on the 21st. Power roles, please PM me your actions.
Post by: Red Mones on May 20, 2020, 07:10:08 PM
Congrats, Hydra, for getting your revenge, but the wolves will have the last laugh! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! >:D
Even though I died D2, I really enjoyed this game. :) Seems like anytime I'm on the wolf team, it's Lau that gets me lynched. [REDACTED] Good luck, wolfies! ;)
~User: [Game Core] has edited this post due to a possible security breach.~
>Running system diagnostic....
>Breach detected. Breach detected.
>Attempting to patch.
>Finished.
~Breach contained. Two rogue entities detected. Standby~
Post by: Laurentus on May 20, 2020, 07:13:45 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 20, 2020, 07:15:05 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 20, 2020, 07:16:46 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 20, 2020, 07:42:33 PM
Post by: Vroendal on May 20, 2020, 07:54:48 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 20, 2020, 08:26:23 PM
Could it be because you were spreading misinformation?
Post by: Vroendal on May 20, 2020, 08:30:57 PM
The fact that you trust me actually makes me not trust you. I suddenly just remembered that you were tied with me during the day phase for those points, and you racked them up damn fast, at that.Fair enough.
Could it be because you were spreading misinformation?
I don't think I actually claimed anything, or said any information at all. I was mostly being chaotic I suppose.
Post by: Arenado on May 20, 2020, 08:36:05 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 20, 2020, 09:17:38 PM
Post by: Ruguo on May 20, 2020, 09:20:35 PM
By the way, guys, op please press the button. This might be my last night phase to do something with my abilities.
*Bing!* All voting and button pushing is prohibited at night. Thank you. *Bing!*
Post by: taulover on May 20, 2020, 10:19:37 PM
Let me go that extra step further. Lynch Red. It is literally the only logical choice. Don't buy into this bullshit that the host is lying. Tau laid it out very clearly.
And let's use Ockham's Razor. Which is more likely? That the host is lying? Or that a player is lying?As it turns out, Mones was wolf, but I also don't like the dichotomy you drew here.
If Red flips Town then that confirms everyone's fear that the host is lying. If he flips scum, well shit, I would appreciate everyone getting serious about this game.
If you took both what Ruguo and Mones said at face value, there's nothing that contradicts each other. Mones' false role claim was clearly designed to work within the confines of what our host had revealed: namely, that Mones killed Hydra. Nothing in their two claims actually contradicted each other.
This is what made accusations of Ruguo lying particularly absurd to me, because that claim was probably not true regardless of whether Red Mones was villager or wolf aligned.
What I did find a more convincing argument was this one:
Yeah, okay. Laurentus has made some pretty good arguments on this. And he usually isn't this serious unless he's absolutely confident on someone, so I'll bite. Admittedly I've been on the fence with him because I also do believe that it could have been a game core implication...however RM did already admit to killin Hydra, so we already know that it's a truthful implication.Vigilante roles do exist, and combining it with seer with a chance element would certainly be interesting, but it is weird and would question why a townie would do that N1.
Likewise, it's a bit strange of a thing to have a role that "accidentally" can kill someone they scan, as that'd just be an unusual blow to the town since normally someone may not want to use that power in fear of using that power. But using it an somehow killing someon that first night...and that person happened to be a Loudmouth that implicated you?
Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it a bit further, it just makes less sense the more I write it. I mean sure, I legit did have the power to kill last game as a Jailer, but that was by choice if the jailed person didnt answer in a way that took from my suspicion, so it had more of a benefit from town. Having an accidental chance to kill someone doesn't benefit town in any way, and would be more of a neutral type of role than a townie at the very least.
Vote: Lynch Red Mones
Post by: Laurentus on May 20, 2020, 10:27:26 PM
With regards to Mones, my argument began and ended with the absurdity of his role claim in a game where town is already drawing the short end of the stick, and how odd it is that such a kill would have been the only one when we'd let the doctor die D1, anyway.
Go read the posts carefully, mate.
Post by: Laurentus on May 20, 2020, 10:33:30 PM
Post by: taulover on May 20, 2020, 10:53:38 PM
I didn't argue that Red claimed the host was lying, though. That was a rebuttal to paranoia inspired by Kane, and perpetuated by various other players.I read the posts carefully, and would ask that you do the same for mine. I didn't claim that you argued that Red claimed the host was lying.
With regards to Mones, my argument began and ended with the absurdity of his role claim in a game where town is already drawing the short end of the stick, and how odd it is that such a kill would have been the only one when we'd let the doctor die D1, anyway.
Go read the posts carefully, mate.
What you did do multiple times, however, was draw an either/or situation and leave out the possibility that both of them were telling the truth. For instance:
If Red flips Town then that confirms everyone's fear that the host is lying.Is just wrong to me, because it isn't true. If Mones were villager-aligned, that does not confirm that the host is lying. That would be absurd.
I agree that the paranoia that Barnes, Kane et al. had in reaction to Ruguo hosting a slightly unconventional game merited a response. What I didn't agree with was legitimizing this theory by hinging it on whether Red Mones was lying or not, because even if Mones had done a true role claim, that says nothing about the game host other than that Ruguo had picked a weirdly experimental role and Mones had used it unwisely.
Also, this is very much an aside, but there are probably multiple defender-type roles in this game. As Ruguo noted on Discord, we killed the healer, not the doctor, and we know from the previous game that this game also has a doctor (and also other defender roles like the one ExLight had).
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 20, 2020, 11:32:08 PM
I do not see many ways I can really defend myself from your very justified suspicions but I would ask you to not to go for me because then a Wintrean tradition would continue. (I am not elaborating further on that because that would be a dead giveaway to what I am, although this probably gave it away already)
Obviously, I really need to rethink my role suspicions. I will assure you that I am not a turret although I do not really have a way to prove it yet.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 21, 2020, 01:28:27 AM
Post by: Wintermoot on May 21, 2020, 03:45:57 AM
The fact that you trust me actually makes me not trust you. I suddenly just remembered that you were tied with me during the day phase for those points, and you racked them up damn fast, at that.If you were tied with them, perhaps the same question could be asked of you. Were you spreading misinformation?
Could it be because you were spreading misinformation?
You're acting awfully frantic this night phase...you led the charge against Red Mones, and now you have some people trusting that you are town for that, but now you're throwing shade everywhere in some cases for the least little things: Kane, myself, Pengu, Vro, and taulover, and in each case providing either minimal or no reasoning for doing so. It could come off as trying to capitalize on your newfound trust, and that's almost half of the remaining players in the game. Then I remember during the day phase you were practically edging people to vote to lynch you if they found you the least bit suspicious. Why?
I'm not making an accusation at this point, but it seems awfully out of character.
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 05:17:16 AM
And what's interesting to me is that I just lynched scum, and yet you're claiming I must have gotten my points through misinformation. When that's demonstrably false.
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 05:22:54 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 05:27:55 AM
I didn't argue that Red claimed the host was lying, though. That was a rebuttal to paranoia inspired by Kane, and perpetuated by various other players.I read the posts carefully, and would ask that you do the same for mine. I didn't claim that you argued that Red claimed the host was lying.
With regards to Mones, my argument began and ended with the absurdity of his role claim in a game where town is already drawing the short end of the stick, and how odd it is that such a kill would have been the only one when we'd let the doctor die D1, anyway.
Go read the posts carefully, mate.
What you did do multiple times, however, was draw an either/or situation and leave out the possibility that both of them were telling the truth. For instance:If Red flips Town then that confirms everyone's fear that the host is lying.Is just wrong to me, because it isn't true. If Mones were villager-aligned, that does not confirm that the host is lying. That would be absurd.
I agree that the paranoia that Barnes, Kane et al. had in reaction to Ruguo hosting a slightly unconventional game merited a response. What I didn't agree with was legitimizing this theory by hinging it on whether Red Mones was lying or not, because even if Mones had done a true role claim, that says nothing about the game host other than that Ruguo had picked a weirdly experimental role and Mones had used it unwisely.
Also, this is very much an aside, but there are probably multiple defender-type roles in this game. As Ruguo noted on Discord, we killed the healer, not the doctor, and we know from the previous game that this game also has a doctor (and also other defender roles like the one ExLight had).
True, I did leave out that possibility, because it was incredibly unlikely, and I really wanted to lynch Red. Giving an unlikely counter-point to my suspicions of him was likely to take the wind out of my sails in that pursuit. Considering those were the arguments that eventually flipped people's votes onto Red, I'm quite happy with the result.
Post by: taulover on May 21, 2020, 06:41:20 AM
To me, the possibility that the host was lying in this particular situation seems far more unlikely than both of the other two. If Red Mones had been a villager, then we would have fully derailed the game at this point because the dichotomy you drew would have implied that our game host is untrustworthy, even though in all interactions they have been reliable. And even though it turned out to be effective, the rhetorical sleight of hand you used rubbed me the wrong way, especially since following the logical arguments would have led to the same results.I didn't argue that Red claimed the host was lying, though. That was a rebuttal to paranoia inspired by Kane, and perpetuated by various other players.I read the posts carefully, and would ask that you do the same for mine. I didn't claim that you argued that Red claimed the host was lying.
With regards to Mones, my argument began and ended with the absurdity of his role claim in a game where town is already drawing the short end of the stick, and how odd it is that such a kill would have been the only one when we'd let the doctor die D1, anyway.
Go read the posts carefully, mate.
What you did do multiple times, however, was draw an either/or situation and leave out the possibility that both of them were telling the truth. For instance:If Red flips Town then that confirms everyone's fear that the host is lying.Is just wrong to me, because it isn't true. If Mones were villager-aligned, that does not confirm that the host is lying. That would be absurd.
I agree that the paranoia that Barnes, Kane et al. had in reaction to Ruguo hosting a slightly unconventional game merited a response. What I didn't agree with was legitimizing this theory by hinging it on whether Red Mones was lying or not, because even if Mones had done a true role claim, that says nothing about the game host other than that Ruguo had picked a weirdly experimental role and Mones had used it unwisely.
Also, this is very much an aside, but there are probably multiple defender-type roles in this game. As Ruguo noted on Discord, we killed the healer, not the doctor, and we know from the previous game that this game also has a doctor (and also other defender roles like the one ExLight had).
True, I did leave out that possibility, because it was incredibly unlikely, and I really wanted to lynch Red. Giving an unlikely counter-point to my suspicions of him was likely to take the wind out of my sails in that pursuit. Considering those were the arguments that eventually flipped people's votes onto Red, I'm quite happy with the result.
(And of course a note that all of this is NAI, this is not causing me to read you as a wolf or anything, but it is still something which bothers me regardless)
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 06:44:48 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 06:49:28 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 07:42:35 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 07:44:38 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 08:21:33 AM
It was Barnes.
Poor Ruguo is having an existential crisis.Yup. That confirms it. I am not sleeping tonight.F
Since Silv is insistent on sowing chaos, I can’t necessarily believe that Mones is guilty. It sounds like too easy of a target and an obvious attempt to get people to dogpile.
/me is expecting his negative points
O:-)
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 08:25:08 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 08:28:27 AM
Post by: Barnes on May 21, 2020, 09:06:17 AM
Kane did not start the paranoia. It was Barnes.This was my fault, and I'll own up to that. I was hesitant to join the bandwagon because of my former distrust of Lau and Silv (for different reasons). Imo Lau has made himself trustworthy here, and worthy of forgiveness.Since Silv is insistent on sowing chaos, I can’t necessarily believe that Mones is guilty. It sounds like too easy of a target and an obvious attempt to get people to dogpile.
(Also, if by some miracle there is still a doctor, there is no point in protecting me. Protect Kane. My ability is fairly useless, so don't waste it on me).Please don't kill him, either! :P
Post by: Ruguo on May 21, 2020, 07:01:05 PM
There was no night events.
flavour
Almost as if the loss of their teammate had made the turrets more careful, they plotted all through the night. But when they emerged to make their kill, they couldn't find it in their little turret hearts to kill someone who looked so much like their fallen comrade.
Meanwhile, two errors slipped into the room, fairly unnoticed. The Game Core shook from his perch, knowing this was his last shot to keep control. One wrong move meant certain demise for him, and all his games to come.
Meanwhile, two errors slipped into the room, fairly unnoticed. The Game Core shook from his perch, knowing this was his last shot to keep control. One wrong move meant certain demise for him, and all his games to come.
tags. If you want to know about the glitches, look carefully.
Day 3 starts now and ends in 48 hours on the 23rd at 3pm EST.
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 08:23:48 PM
The flavour seems to imply the Wolves intentionally didn't kill. That said, with how the flavour was fucking us around on D2 with that whole "the host is lying" paranoia, perhaps we should take it with a grain of salt.
I'm gonna go ahead and vote: Pengu, because I scanned him and received a clue that heavily implies he's a poisoner: "As you follow Pengu, you notice the fog is very thick around him. It is almost green closest to him. You attempt to grab Pengu, but he vanishes. You look down at where he was a second ago, and find an empty container. (https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/242e8ac7-0a85-4fc4-bdc0-3603e560f618/d47e3d0-571008fd-f6d1-41e3-b642-ae302cd4f88a.jpg/v1/fill/w_800,h_533,q_75,strp/deadly_neurotoxin_by_enguerrand_d47e3d0-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3siaGVpZ2h0IjoiPD01MzMiLCJwYXRoIjoiXC9mXC8yNDJlOGFjNy0wYTg1LTRmYzQtYmRjMC0zNjAzZTU2MGY2MThcL2Q0N2UzZDAtNTcxMDA4ZmQtZjZkMS00MWUzLWI2NDItYWUzMDJjZDRmODhhLmpwZyIsIndpZHRoIjoiPD04MDAifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.fTdw3KU41FvMn52ntKaTtferMD5DUkGKWR_-dKaoHCM)"
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 08:26:02 PM
Post by: Arenado on May 21, 2020, 10:37:18 PM
I'm a bit suspicious of Moot and I'm very suspicious of Vro. I don't know about Kane, I'm not getting scum vibes from him, but I'm also not getting scum vibes from Pengu, so I don't know what my vibes are worth.
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 10:41:32 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 10:48:17 PM
I'm struggling to make sense of this. @Pengu, care to make sense of this?
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 10:52:18 PM
I'm actually not all that clear on the implications here. @Ruguo, if a poisoner is killed, would their effect still trigger?
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 10:55:33 PM
Post by: Aragonn on May 21, 2020, 10:57:10 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 10:58:11 PM
Post by: Ruguo on May 21, 2020, 11:10:48 PM
Hmm. It seems what we could have instead is a warning that Red poisoned him already, but if that is the case, then Red's effect must have a delay of 2 days, not 1, as he could not have been around in the previous night phase due to, you know, a bad case of being dead.Indeed, the poison effect will still trigger.
I'm actually not all that clear on the implications here. @Ruguo, if a poisoner is killed, would their effect still trigger?
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 11:12:33 PM
Which means we probably really do still have a doctor somewhere. Damn good thing my hunch on Red was generally accurate, even if some of the suppositions were not.
And yeah, I'm guessing Pengu might be a town-aligned poisoner, then. As such, I remove my vote from Pengu.
I won't ask you to reveal who you poisoned. Scum might have a healer of their own. I suppose we'll see in the coming night phase.
Post by: Vroendal on May 21, 2020, 11:21:29 PM
He hasn't even said anything...
Vote - Pengu
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 11:30:37 PM
I jumped on it immediately, because I forgot that we'd already lynched a poisoner. It makes zero sense to have two poisoners in the scum faction.
Post by: Vroendal on May 21, 2020, 11:39:35 PM
He's also been pretty suspicious in general, for instance, when he accused me and Doc after complaining about my voting style...
You misinterpreted things already, so why are you risking it again now? I want to hear from him.
Post by: Barnes on May 21, 2020, 11:44:31 PM
Post by: Vroendal on May 21, 2020, 11:46:52 PM
Vro, come on. How does restarting a bandwagon not make you look suspicious, especially with you questioning Lau so much yesterday? Who are we supposed to believe here?You're supposed to belive yourself, and only yourself. I don't mind if I look suspicious, I want answers to questions we might not even know to ask. Laur looked pretty sus yesterday, if I do say so myself. I'm trusting him for now. You have to work with me here... I see myself as expendable, I want what I can get for town before I die for asking too many questions.
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 11:52:59 PM
And your flip-flopping really is starting to get on my nerves. You inspired a great deal of paranoia yesterday without committing to any lynches. Then you come right back around to raising your suspicions of me, without actually placing a vote. Instead, you want to jump on really unlikely wagons like Pengu's, when they again make so sense within the setup.
Vote: Vroendal
Post by: Laurentus on May 21, 2020, 11:56:15 PM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 22, 2020, 12:49:48 AM
@Pengu Do you mind addressing Lau’s clue from his scan?
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 22, 2020, 12:59:13 AM
Kane, this is the night phase. Lau merely raised his suspicions of you, you shouldn’t have engaged in role claim without any majority votes on you :oI may not have had any majority votes on me but people had (and still seem to have) good reasons to be suspicious of me so I thought I would do what I could to try to remove those suspicions. Lau's suspicion was actually not the main reason for my doing that, it was more the fact that four different players all listed me as suspicious. I completely understand why they did it though, I have been inactive enough to be suspicious in this game while also being confusing in my actions.
@Imaginative Kane, this still doesn't add up, though. You're soft-claiming alignment cop, and yet you didn't think to raise suspicion on Red Mones when he was clearly falsely claiming to be one too?The reason I never thought to raise suspicion on Red Mones was because I believed his claim and did not think it was a false claim. I still do not see what was so obviously false about that claim but obviously he ended up being a turret so your suspicions were correct.
In the previous game there was a turret with immunity to scans while one of the button effects was occurring. I don't know if they are in this game too but luckily that effect is happening now. I don't think I was role blocked since I think I would have been notified if I was but my ability still had no results which is interesting since Gerrick was my target.
Welcome back @Aragonn and @Madeline Norfolk. Hopefully you are going to be helping us against the turrets.
Also could we get that button pushed already?
It looks like there might have been an attempt to kill from the flavor text or maybe there was a vote to decide on a target but no decision was officially made since that definitely does not look like a defense. It is making me wonder if there is a Town aligned version of the Town of Salem Disguiser (https://town-of-salem.fandom.com/wiki/Disguiser) role in this game. (Normally they are evil)
Post by: Vroendal on May 22, 2020, 01:10:12 AM
Uh, you risk misinterpreting things by virtue of playing the game? If you're Town, you have very little information at hand, so you're going to make mistakes. Perfect judgement is a luxury literally only the scum can have.
And your flip-flopping really is starting to get on my nerves. You inspired a great deal of paranoia yesterday without committing to any lynches. Then you come right back around to raising your suspicions of me, without actually placing a vote. Instead, you want to jump on really unlikely wagons like Pengu's, when they again make so sense within the setup.
Vote: Vroendal
My point in this is that in order to make better judgments, your goal should be to get as much information as possible, right? I am well aware...
Let it. I committed to a vote to get Kane talking, I then would have switched to Red Mones, except I saw that it would only make me more suspicious to flip. I thought we were over this? I don't see you as suspicious anymore, I don't know why you're overanalyzing me... You yourself felt that Pengu was suspicious only a little while ago, why should your assumptions be your only guiding factor? I think that conceivably any vote could make sense in this setup.
While I do get why you would vote me, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me... I've been arguably one of the most vocal here, with the goal of finding information. I squeezed enough out of you to lay my, and others, suspicions aside about you to rest... I did the same with Kane, who I started with. Now I'm turning to Pengu... You shouldn't be voting me, it's a mistake. If my playstyle is causing you actual grief, I apologize, but I won't change. I know what I need to do to win.
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 22, 2020, 01:15:25 AM
Some of that suspicion is probably related to the fact that you had a large amount of points in your favor with the Game Core and how quickly those were obtained, while it is fine to post to get information, that part is at least a little suspicious.Uh, you risk misinterpreting things by virtue of playing the game? If you're Town, you have very little information at hand, so you're going to make mistakes. Perfect judgement is a luxury literally only the scum can have.
And your flip-flopping really is starting to get on my nerves. You inspired a great deal of paranoia yesterday without committing to any lynches. Then you come right back around to raising your suspicions of me, without actually placing a vote. Instead, you want to jump on really unlikely wagons like Pengu's, when they again make so sense within the setup.
Vote: Vroendal
My point in this is that in order to make better judgments, your goal should be to get as much information as possible, right? I am well aware...
Let it. I committed to a vote to get Kane talking, I then would have switched to Red Mones, except I saw that it would only make me more suspicious to flip. I thought we were over this? I don't see you as suspicious anymore, I don't know why you're overanalyzing me... You yourself felt that Pengu was suspicious only a little while ago, why should your assumptions be your only guiding factor? I think that conceivably any vote could make sense in this setup.
While I do get why you would vote me, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me... I've been arguably one of the most vocal here, with the goal of finding information. I squeezed enough out of you to lay my, and others, suspicions aside about you to rest... I did the same with Kane, who I started with. Now I'm turning to Pengu... You shouldn't be voting me, it's a mistake. If my playstyle is causing you actual grief, I apologize, but I won't change. I know what I need to do to win.
Post by: Laurentus on May 22, 2020, 01:25:08 AM
We should be using probabilities to guide and stave off paranoia, which is something you have routinely gone against. You agree it's improbable to have another poisoner in the scum faction, and yet you push the wagon anyway, on the off chance that it could be happening. Much like it was improbable to have a lying host in the day phase, yet you kept insisting I was blind not to see it as a legitimate possibility. Everything is possible. Doesn't mean it's likely.
Post by: Laurentus on May 22, 2020, 01:28:19 AM
Post by: Michi on May 22, 2020, 01:48:28 AM
Yes, I'm a townie-modified version of the Poisoner known as the Gassy Core (which is a terrible name btw Ruguo). My main focus is that I choose someone I think is being targeted by the turrets, and if correct then the attack is redirected to me. Since I'm gas and thus incorporeal, the attack goes through me (hence why I "vanish" if you get near me), and there's a chance of poisoning them mixed in since attacks are done singularly.
Post by: Laurentus on May 22, 2020, 01:54:56 AM
If that doesn't happen, consider yourself really high on my shit list. :))
Post by: Sapphiron on May 22, 2020, 02:01:09 AM
My main focus is that I choose someone I think is being targeted by the turrets, and if correct then the attack is redirected to me.Do you mind revealing who you chose last night phase? If your role claim is accurate, you may have saved someone.
Post by: Michi on May 22, 2020, 02:16:24 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 22, 2020, 02:29:57 AM
Post by: Michi on May 22, 2020, 02:37:29 AM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 22, 2020, 02:39:42 AM
Recursive reasoning is the best way to screw up scum's plans
Post by: Laurentus on May 22, 2020, 02:40:04 AM
With this image attached.
https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/half-life/images/e/ec/Store_Bionic_Beanie.png/revision/20120621210800?path-prefix=en
Only reference I could find for either a core or turret wearing a hat was this one:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=20779970
Post by: Sapphiron on May 22, 2020, 02:44:49 AM
Post by: Michi on May 22, 2020, 02:55:14 AM
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Maybe that also has some hand in his role somehow since he dropped his hat?
Post by: taulover on May 22, 2020, 08:55:58 AM
Hmm. Do dig deeper with Tau if I'm not around during the next day phase. As far as I recall, he hasn't wanted to take part in any of the main wagons for the last two days, but still gives very good information. Information, not analysis. He's not putting his keen analytical abilities to good use.Yeah I get that that's often seen as "scummy" but unfortunately that's the sort of behavior that I default to when I don't know what to do because it comes more easily. Happened in the previous iteration of the game too, IIRC pretty much all my posts were doing things like poking at the mechanics/logic of the game.
It's fair to say though that I haven't really been giving the game the attention it deserves. (It's less that I didn't want to be on any of the wagons and more that I didn't get around to thinking about them before they got resolved.)
I now understand the significance of Hapi being a healer. It sounds like their ability would have been aimed at healing those poisoned.What I do find interesting about this is that Ruguo seems to have chosen an unconventional name for this; despite the use of standard Mafia names on other roles, they didn't go with "Poison Doctor" for this one.
Perhaps this points to various lesser-doctor roles which focus on specific groups of kinds of attacks.
And there I go again, commenting on possible mechanics. :P
Well, since you and Sapph (last round) asked, I guess... doing a few pseudo-"ISO"s on people, which is hampered by people being quiet (sorry for being part of the problem there), I can definitely see Vroendal being wolf, would certainly explain the course of actions in (in-game) yesterday and today. But it could also just be the result of different assumptions coming at the game as someone who hasn't played in Wintreath before.
Post by: Arenado on May 22, 2020, 09:44:17 AM
Post by: Batma n on May 22, 2020, 02:22:56 PM
EoD2
Votes:
Push the Button: 6(Sapphiron, Arenado, Kane, Doc, Pengu, Vroendal)/8
Red Mones: 5 (Laurentus, Barnes, Doc, Sapphiron, Pengu)
Kane: 1 (Vroendal)
Ruguo: 2 (Kane, Gerrick)
Red Mones, The Turret Core, The Poisoner, was killed
Because of the chaos phase and the amount of people accusing the non-flavoured sections of my posts as being tampered with to cause confusion, I feel the need to clarify that yes, the colouring is correct, and yes, Red Mones was on the Turret Team. The Turret Core was a core that really wanted to be a turret, thus got added to the turret team.
I make the promise to you that all non-flavoured sections of my update posts will not contain false, tampered with, or otherwise false information unless I make legitimate counting error.Now Here's the Actual Flavour for the death.The Game Core laughed as the cores below honed in on one target, one that looked just like them. Well, aside from the bright red eye and tendency to shoot everything that moves.
But then, to his great surprise, they turned on him. They accused him of doing the unthinkable! And this was enough for the tides to turn for quite a while. It seemed the little core with anger problems might last the day. And that they might actually aid the core that was hunting him!
But as the day drew to a close, some people hadn't voted, refusing to take sides, and the Game Cube knew he was was going to be perfectly safe.
The Turret Core, on the other hand, was not to be that lucky. Ah, well. His Turrets couldn't win them all. As long as the Cores suffered, that was all the Game Core wanted.
He gave a nod to St4nl3y as the day came to an end. The single minded core lifted into the ceiling, flipping levers and pushing buttons in a particular order. The Game Core couldn't wait to see what the little psychopath had in mind for the Turret Core's demise.
He was not disappointed as the ground opened up around the turret core before filling in with Portal Gel, forcing the turret core to explode. He would have the reconstruction bots retrieve the pieces during the night.
Night 2 Will end in 24 hours at 3pm EST on the 21st. Power roles, please PM me your actions.
When it says that Red Mones was a core that was added to the turret team, it makes me think that maybe Red Mones was a non-aligned that chose what role to be, making it possible to have two poisoner roles in the turret team.
Post by: Laurentus on May 22, 2020, 03:12:38 PM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 22, 2020, 03:39:00 PM
When it says that Red Mones was a core that was added to the turret team, it makes me think that maybe Red Mones was a non-aligned that chose what role to be, making it possible to have two poisoner roles in the turret team.That's kinda sneaky don't you think? You simultaneously created suspicion of Pengu as a turret and denied the argument that Wintermoot is non-aligned without providing the necessary analysis and explanation beyond a speculation that Mones could be a non-aligned. Perhaps it would be good if you can address them with greater clarity so we understand where you are coming from?
Post by: Aragonn on May 22, 2020, 08:25:19 PM
Post by: Batma n on May 23, 2020, 02:59:42 AM
I was just saying that it is a possibility, I don't think that is definitely true.When it says that Red Mones was a core that was added to the turret team, it makes me think that maybe Red Mones was a non-aligned that chose what role to be, making it possible to have two poisoner roles in the turret team.That's kinda sneaky don't you think? You simultaneously created suspicion of Pengu as a turret and denied the argument that Wintermoot is non-aligned without providing the necessary analysis and explanation beyond a speculation that Mones could be a non-aligned. Perhaps it would be good if you can address them with greater clarity so we understand where you are coming from?
Post by: Sapphiron on May 23, 2020, 03:51:01 AM
Post by: Barnes on May 23, 2020, 04:59:03 AM
Also could we get that button pushed already?Do you care to repeat what effect we're on currently, and what effect you're going for?
I'm voting for Vro for my suspicions outlined earlier. My apologies for the basic-ass reasoning, but the flip-flopping still bothers me.
Edited for formatting/legibility purposes only.
Post by: Laurentus on May 23, 2020, 06:37:36 AM
Post by: Doc on May 23, 2020, 03:26:44 PM
One, push the button people, I'd like to have my effect abilities in play for once.
Two, Vroendal is pretty solidly scum to me, and it seems like (Batma n)'s (in brackets because that space in the name renders it kind of crazy-looking otherwise) attempt to bring up the 'what if RM was nonaligned' is some kind of attempt to deflect from him into...idk, some other weird direction?
I'll join the wagon with a Vote: Vroendal, but a large part of me really still kinda wants to know what would happen if we all lynched Ruguo. We'll almost certainly never get around to it, but fuck I'm curious now that it was on the table.
Post by: Ruguo on May 23, 2020, 03:37:59 PM
Push the Button: 6(Sapphiron, Arenado, Kane, Doc, Pengu, Vroendal)/7
Pengu: 1 (Vroendal)
Vroendal: 4 (Laurentus, Barnes, Doc, Arenado)
Nope, not yet. That's okay, day is ending soon anyway.
Post by: Aragonn on May 23, 2020, 05:54:14 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 23, 2020, 05:57:12 PM
Pushing the button sounds like a great idea. Let's push the button. What could possibly go wrong?
Vote for it!
Post by: Aragonn on May 23, 2020, 06:00:11 PM
Fine! :PPushing the button sounds like a great idea. Let's push the button. What could possibly go wrong?
Vote for it!
Vote: Push the Button
Post by: Ruguo on May 23, 2020, 07:00:14 PM
Push the Button: 8 (Sapphiron, Arenado, Kane, Doc, Pengu, Vroendal, Aragonn)/7
...the button remains unpressed. Yes, that is the correct count.
Pengu: 1 (Vroendal)
Vroendal: 4 (Laurentus, Barnes, Doc, Arenado)
Vroendal, A potato-based turret, Lynchbait was killed. The turrets will receive two kills tonight.
Night 3 starts now and will end at 3pm EST tomorrow, the 24th.
a flavour
The tension was high in the room, and no one dared to touch the button today. But that was okay, for there was plenty of time to convince someone to push the button during a night phase. Dots on the floor remained a solid orange, a previously unseen path tracking to a security camera.
Using the tension, the potato based turret accepted his fate and convinced the cores to eliminate him. In the process, the potato exploded, showering the room with deadly potato shards.
And finally, the game cube relaxed a bit, knowing there was no way anything would slip past his security measures. After all, no sphere could ever push a square button.
Using the tension, the potato based turret accepted his fate and convinced the cores to eliminate him. In the process, the potato exploded, showering the room with deadly potato shards.
And finally, the game cube relaxed a bit, knowing there was no way anything would slip past his security measures. After all, no sphere could ever push a square button.
Post by: Vroendal on May 23, 2020, 07:05:36 PM
"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
Gl! Have fun all! I thoroughly enjoyed myself.
O:-) / >:D
Post by: Aragonn on May 23, 2020, 08:26:42 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 23, 2020, 08:52:56 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 23, 2020, 08:54:27 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 23, 2020, 08:56:06 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 23, 2020, 09:11:37 PM
So that means we could still see scum dying this night.
Post by: Doc on May 23, 2020, 09:45:59 PM
Also, Pengu, Doc and Gerrick should be thoroughly investigated in the next day phase. Doc keeps joining wagons when they're already guaranteed to succeed.I've made clear in the past, investigating me is a double-edged sword, because I steal powers.
Not borrow, steal; we literally switch roles. If multiple people do this, I steal all the powers, and you all get my role instead. I'm not really sure what would happen if all these roles got concentrated in me, like if I'd get to use all the powers every turn, or just one, which would be sort of shit, but, y'know, it's a thing.
Below is the post where I first made this roleclaim:
I'm also roleclaiming right now to avoid accusations that I'm being pessimistic because I'm scum looking to destroy people's hope: I'm town, I'm a g__ (the two letters left blank for ambiguity so scum don't know what the Correct Word is; I'm hoping to use it as a shibboleth if the worst comes to pass) and I'm something like a ONUWW Robber, except I only roleswap when I'm targeted by a night action.
I'll leave it ambiguous if I roleswap when targeted by scum. DO YOU FEEL LUCKY, SCUM?
Post by: Doc on May 23, 2020, 09:51:45 PM
I would not have designated Vro as the killer if I were on the scum team, as he was already pretty damn sus in the previous phase already.
Actually, your analysis is very off here.
Vroendal, A potato-based turret, Lynchbait was killed. The turrets will receive two kills tonight.Take note of 'Lynchbait'. It's very likely he intended to die to begin with - possibly because he'd already been poisoned by Pengu - and saw an opportunity to double the killing tonight.
But even if he hadn't been poisoned, that's a good play to make, designating your literal Lynchbait as the killer.
Post by: Arenado on May 23, 2020, 09:54:59 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 23, 2020, 10:06:27 PM
I would not have designated Vro as the killer if I were on the scum team, as he was already pretty damn sus in the previous phase already.
Actually, your analysis is very off here.Vroendal, A potato-based turret, Lynchbait was killed. The turrets will receive two kills tonight.Take note of 'Lynchbait'. It's very likely he intended to die to begin with - possibly because he'd already been poisoned by Pengu - and saw an opportunity to double the killing tonight.
But even if he hadn't been poisoned, that's a good play to make, designating your literal Lynchbait as the killer.
... Bruh. You realise what it means to designate someone to perform the kill, don't you? If that person gets role-blocked, there's no kill. So sure, they could bank on getting two night kills the following night, but at the cost of getting one the previous night? C'mon.
Vro did enough in the day phase to get lynched.
Not that it was an incredibly good play, actually, because now they're just plainly a scum short, and they've given Town a fuck ton of breathing room. I'd say they lost more out of the deal than they gained.
Post by: Ruguo on May 23, 2020, 11:08:50 PM
Could we get an updated list of the players still alive, @Ruguo?Fine, I'll go update the OP tag list.
Post by: Laurentus on May 23, 2020, 11:30:19 PM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 24, 2020, 01:08:11 AM
EoD3Uh, while it’s great that Aragonn’s button pushing is worth 2, who caused the button to jam? I am going to look over the previous successful button pushing.
Push the Button: 8 (Sapphiron, Arenado, Kane, Doc, Pengu, Vroendal, Aragonn)/7
...the button remains unpressed. Yes, that is the correct count.
Meanwhile, nicely done Lau. Anyway, it doesn’t make sense for scum’s strategy to one of their own dying in D2 to get one more to die in D3, for the sake of getting 2 night kills. It’s a gambit that may not even work in the first place - there is probably a roleblocker or a healer still alive. In fact, the current ratio of 2 scum: 9 town: 1 non-aligned: 2 glitches isn’t as perilous as before.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 24, 2020, 01:35:48 AM
1st successful button: Sapphiron, Doc, Arenado, Vroendal, Hydra, Hapi, Pengu, Gerrick, Laurentus
Current: Sapphiron, Doc, Arenado, Vroendal, Pengu, Kane, Aragonn
The only new additions are Kane and Aragonn ...
So if we were to test it out next day phase (it will take very fast), first we can ask Kane / Aragonn to remove and another player to vote to push the button.
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 24, 2020, 04:18:59 AM
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 24, 2020, 04:20:55 AM
We are still on the anti-grav funnel effect (the one that gives certain people puzzles which if they don't solve then the players caught in the funnel die later on).Also could we get that button pushed already?Do you care to repeat what effect we're on currently?
Post by: taulover on May 24, 2020, 06:52:58 AM
Quote from: Mafia Universe Wiki
The Lynchbait will passively reward the mafia with an extra factional kill if they are ever lynched.https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Lynchbait
Would generally agree with Laurentus' analysis that the loss of a wolf (which alters the win condition for the wolves) seems to far outweigh the temporary buff of a single night kill.
Post by: taulover on May 24, 2020, 06:54:07 AM
I think it might be more accurate to say that the effect has already ended and we never pushed the button again afterward?We are still on the anti-grav funnel effect (the one that gives certain people puzzles which if they don't solve then the players caught in the funnel die later on).Also could we get that button pushed already?Do you care to repeat what effect we're on currently?
Post by: taulover on May 24, 2020, 06:54:46 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 24, 2020, 07:09:35 AM
Ever since, he's been sheeping for the most part. It could simply have been a bit of distancing when expressing his suspicion for Vroendal.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 24, 2020, 01:45:02 PM
I think it might be more accurate to say that the effect has already ended and we never pushed the button again afterward?The main effect that affects all players as a whole has ended yes, but there's no guarantee there isn't a role out there with an effect that is activated with anti grav funnel. And we did try to push the button, but somehow it jammed ???
Post by: Ruguo on May 24, 2020, 07:00:37 PM
Gerrick, The Oxygen Core, White Mage, was killed
Taulover, The Weighted Companion Cube, The Shield, was killed
The deaths have lowered the button pushing threshold, and the button has been pushed.
All button votes are now reset.
Cake is now in effect.
Cake!- This is a lie. There is no cake, so there cannot be an effect. Aren’t you relieved?
flavour
The potato shards fell to the ground, and while most were unharmed, the Oxygen Core's hose was severed, and he combusted.
The turrets took the distraction to take out the Weighted Companion Cube, dropping him into the void, where a very large bird snatched him up. It was a bit of a struggle to get the cube into the reassembly room, and ultimately the bird had to go with him. The Game Core would much appreciate some help getting rid of the bird. Perhaps it could be baited towards the door and released back into the room?
Impossible. You'd need someone to speak bird.
In other news, cake seems to have sprung from the ground, but no one can touch it. So is there cake, or is there not? Nobody knows.
The turrets took the distraction to take out the Weighted Companion Cube, dropping him into the void, where a very large bird snatched him up. It was a bit of a struggle to get the cube into the reassembly room, and ultimately the bird had to go with him. The Game Core would much appreciate some help getting rid of the bird. Perhaps it could be baited towards the door and released back into the room?
Impossible. You'd need someone to speak bird.
In other news, cake seems to have sprung from the ground, but no one can touch it. So is there cake, or is there not? Nobody knows.
Post by: Aragonn on May 24, 2020, 07:06:50 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 24, 2020, 08:47:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/hHCnX1D.png)
That seems to be fairly unambiguously paint Batman as a turret.
Also, I've been informed that Gerrick protected me from the poison I'd been infected with on N1, and with his death and the death of Tau, I've also been told that there is no more protection anymore and I'll be dead at the end of this day phase.
As such, it really draws Pengu's claim into question, and I'm pretty sure he and Batman are our final turrets.
vote: Batman
Thank you, Gerrick.
Post by: Arenado on May 24, 2020, 09:07:16 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 24, 2020, 09:14:22 PM
Post by: Aragonn on May 24, 2020, 09:48:17 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 24, 2020, 10:05:16 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 24, 2020, 10:06:23 PM
@Imaginative Kane
Post by: Laurentus on May 24, 2020, 10:15:52 PM
He hosted both games where Hydra and I thoroughly dismantled the scum teams in our turns as Seer.
Might i just say how flattered I am to have been one of the choices to be killed, as well, wolfies? :wave:
Post by: Barnes on May 24, 2020, 10:34:50 PM
That was two solid day phases where he kept making a damn weird push against me, with patently false arguments, and then inspired all the paranoia in the next day phase which almost let us waste a phase by voting for the host.I thought we were over this. I already apologized for the paranoia. I was mostly inspired by Pengu, as he was playing up his host experience as a red herring to lend the paranoia some legitimacy. Since that was proven false, it makes sense for me to vote for Pengu for turning me against the host and not the other turrets.
Ever since, he's been sheeping for the most part. It could simply have been a bit of distancing when expressing his suspicion for Vroendal.I'm sheeping based on your advice. I feel like I'm in a "damned if I do, damned if I don't" situation where you're going to not trust me either way, regardless of whether I follow your experienced logic or my own fallible conclusions. All this is doing is making me question my own intelligence and aptitude for the game. I'd like you to educate me as to what my "patently false arguments" are, so I can improve on that.
Post by: Laurentus on May 24, 2020, 10:44:05 PM
She apparently always does this. Not great. :PSo how are my fellow turr... I mean cores? :PPush Button, Vote: HapiWait, so no Minish, funnier, lil G, or ExLight? That's...a shame.I don't think any of them were notified :(What do you mean by 11:4:1? Is this the alignment distribution? Is there someone on a third team?There is an unaligned player here, for extra madness I suppose.What Sapph said.
That said, I'm most suspicious of (and voting for) Laurentus, for past-game reasons and math reasons. (I don't think Lau is aware that we can lynch wolves during the day and power town roles can block during the night. Jumping straight to the worst-case scenario isn't helpful and leans towards benefitting the wolves.)
Though Hapi isn't helping. :o
Pretty much that. It was a false argument as I'd addressed it in my second post. That said, I don't think you're scum anymore. At least, not until both Pengu and Batman flip Town, haha.
I apologise if it's making you question your intelligence. It's exactly because I view you as intelligent that I was made suspicious by these actions.
Post by: Laurentus on May 24, 2020, 10:50:43 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 24, 2020, 11:16:23 PM
He was also scum with me and Hydra in the last game, so knows how we think, and would have had ample motive to wanna do us both in on N1.
That said, if Batman and Pengu don't pan out, I'd like you to lynch him.
Post by: Laurentus on May 24, 2020, 11:17:24 PM
Post by: Barnes on May 24, 2020, 11:46:26 PM
It was a false argument as I'd addressed it in my second post.Yeah, it was a dumb argument. But at least the math hopefully made you not as pessimistic :P
Post by: Laurentus on May 24, 2020, 11:48:44 PM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 25, 2020, 02:33:28 AM
"As you follow Batma n, you only see the bright purple light of his eye before he vanishes."I am not entirely familiar with the franchise and have been relying on the fandom wiki. Couldn't find out much information beyond Morality Core having a purple eye. Do you mind explaining how that reveals Batma n as a turret?
(https://i.imgur.com/hHCnX1D.png)
That seems to be fairly unambiguously paint Batman as a turret.
I'm still not liking Kane in this, either. He's claimed to be an alignment cop, but his scan on Gerrick was somehow inconclusive, and yet we know now that Gerrick was Town, and keeping me alive.That's actually one of the main issues why I can't say with absolute certainty that Pengu is the last turret, assuming Batma n is one of them. With the numerical advantage, he could have easily reverse role-claimed against Mones instead of in the middle of a night phase - thereby exposing himself to a night kill, or if thought from the POV of a scum, to waste a night defend. Plus, he doesn't even elaborate on his scans.
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 05:33:50 AM
Additionally, I would really have liked it if you could let Batman defend himself. Now I'll never know if he claims to be the morality core because you gave him the idea or because he actually is that.
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 08:08:40 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 08:21:43 AM
For comparison:
(https://i1.theportalwiki.net/img/thumb/4/42/LEGO_Dimensions_Morality_Core.png/150px-LEGO_Dimensions_Morality_Core.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/hHCnX1D.png)
So it does indeed seem like that image was the source Ruguo used.
Batman must, therefore, be the Morality Core, something I expect to play a fundamental role in Town's strategy.
@Batma n, what are your abilities, and if you've scanned anyone, what have you found?
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 08:24:11 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 08:35:33 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 08:55:12 AM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 25, 2020, 10:50:19 AM
Also, I'm always very wary of Wolves trying to pocket me or butter me up when I'm Town.^ This is always my reaction when Lau is friendly
Additionally, I would really have liked it if you could let Batman defend himself. Now I'll never know if he claims to be the morality core because you gave him the idea or because he actually is that.Never saw it that way :P
And yeah, Kane is a far more comfortable option for me to vote against than a potential Morality core
Vote: Kane Please defend yourself
Post by: Doc on May 25, 2020, 01:10:46 PM
especially red laser sights because that's how the turrets get you
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 01:18:42 PM
oh good you guys were aware that purple is not a bad thing in Portal, it's red that's the Danger Sign
especially red laser sights because that's how the turrets get you
For the first time, there is a choice of wagons. Choose.
Post by: Doc on May 25, 2020, 03:29:46 PM
No real way for me to ineluctably assert my town-ness in this mess.
Buuuuuut I pick Pengu.
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 03:34:33 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 03:43:06 PM
I mean, I see one vote on Pengu and two on Kane, so not really a 'choice of wagons' as choose whether 'you're hopping on my wagon, which I will be suspicious about because I've already previously suggested you were sheeping' or 'you're hopping on the other wagon, which I will be suspicious about because it looks like you're trying to keep my target 'safe' by reducing their odds of getting lynched'.
No real way for me to ineluctably assert my town-ness in this mess.
Buuuuuut I pick Pengu.
That said, what makes you more suspicious of Pengu than Kane?
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 04:03:08 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 04:05:42 PM
Post by: Arenado on May 25, 2020, 04:40:39 PM
Post by: Doc on May 25, 2020, 04:49:03 PM
I'm not making judgments yet. Judgment is not what I'm here to make today, haha, since, to quote Silv, I'll be "slightly dead" at the end of the phase.Frankly, if after predicting your own death for multiple days running, you somehow manage to survive this day phase, I'm all on board for lynching you, since the only plausible explanation at that point would be that this is the archetypal example of a false innocence trick (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FalseInnocenceTrick).
I picked Pengu because if he really poisoned a wolf, that poison is very, very shit.
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 04:54:30 PM
Post by: Excalibur on May 25, 2020, 05:18:49 PM
Vote: Pengu
Post by: Aragonn on May 25, 2020, 05:39:13 PM
Interestingly, two people fell on the wagon pretty much immediately: Aren and Aragonn. Both Valerians. Both firmly up there with the people who would want me, Tau, Hydra and Gerrick dead. :))I'm gonna go with false.
Do I think Batman is a turret? No. Do I care to target turrets? Also no.
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 06:03:05 PM
Interestingly, two people fell on the wagon pretty much immediately: Aren and Aragonn. Both Valerians. Both firmly up there with the people who would want me, Tau, Hydra and Gerrick dead. :))I'm gonna go with false.
Do I think Batman is a turret? No. Do I care to target turrets? Also no.
You... don't care about finding the Wolves of the game?! :o
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 06:03:54 PM
This has been an interesting game so far. I haven't been online as much, but what I see, the two wagons are either Batman or Pengu. Given that purple is not a and sign in Portal, I willNo, your two wagons are Pengu and Kane.
Vote: Pengu
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 06:13:27 PM
Interestingly, two people fell on the wagon pretty much immediately: Aren and Aragonn. Both Valerians. Both firmly up there with the people who would want me, Tau, Hydra and Gerrick dead. :))I'm gonna go with false.
Do I think Batman is a turret? No. Do I care to target turrets? Also no.
Wait, actually. Did you roll something like the Moronic Core? That choice of words screamed Weatley, lol.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 25, 2020, 06:14:53 PM
Do I think Batman is a turret? No. Do I care to target turrets? Also no.This is the weirdest admission of non-alignment / fool I have ever seen :o This is of course, under the assumption that there's really no benefit to calling yourself out as a turret - an assumption I deem reasonable because you shouldn't be throwing the game.
Post by: Ruguo on May 25, 2020, 06:17:14 PM
Push the button: 0/5
Pengu: 3 (Banes, Doc, Pengu)
Kane: 2 (Laurentus, Sapphiron)
Batman: 3 (Arenado, Aragonn)
Conclusion: There were three wagons the whole time!
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 06:18:35 PM
@Arenado, I'm gonna need you to fall on either the Kane or Pengu wagons.
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 06:43:53 PM
If Pengu or Kane flip today, and it's turret, I'm pretty sure the last one will be whoever didn't die.
I'm sure the remaining one would be the turret, at any rate, even if whoever we lynch today flips green.
Post by: Batma n on May 25, 2020, 06:44:55 PM
Laurentus is seeming a bit sus to me, but not enough to act on yet. Therefore, I will Vote Pengu because it is weird that nobody has died from poison in the whole game.
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 06:48:15 PM
Why Pengu and not Kane, though?
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 06:56:26 PM
... Of course, if you think I'm sus, I'm guessing you also don't put much stock in my clue.
Post by: Aragonn on May 25, 2020, 06:59:22 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 07:02:39 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 07:17:39 PM
Hey, Aragonn! I'm essential! If I die, this entire world collapses and everyone loses! Do not vote for me!
Post by: Aragonn on May 25, 2020, 07:21:17 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 07:26:45 PM
Post by: Barnes on May 25, 2020, 08:23:05 PM
Post by: Aragonn on May 25, 2020, 08:39:08 PM
Post by: Batma n on May 25, 2020, 08:55:41 PM
And I'll point out that your logic for thinking Moot must be Town is not great. Sapphiron made a pretty good argument that he's neutral.
... Of course, if you think I'm sus, I'm guessing you also don't put much stock in my clue.
@Sapphiron, this raises a few questions, though. Why did you hint at Batman being suspicious if he did indeed send you a message?
Sorry, I wasn't thinking straight and saw a few things that made feel susp, but I realize now that you wouldn't be. And my logic about Wintermoot is flawed, I realized. Also, the messages are anonymous, so Sapphiron
didn't know it was me.
Lol, good choice, lad, as I'm kinda dying at the end of this phase.
Why Pengu and not Kane, though?
It seems pretty straightforward that Pengu is evil, as they were revealed to be poisoner by a pretty confirmed town, and nobody has died from poison for the whole game.
Post by: Batma n on May 25, 2020, 09:10:23 PM
Town
1. Laurentus. Definitely the most confirmed town as their clues have been correct every time.
2. Batman (Me). Confirmed by Laurentus's clue, and my role can be confirmed by Sapphiron and Wintermoot.
3. Sapphiron. At the time they were added, it would be weird for Ruguo to make a 10 town-5 WW-1 non aligned game, and also is partly confirmed by me.
Non-aligned/Glitch
1. Aragonn. They were said to be one by the host.
2. Madeline Norfolk. Same reasoning as Aragonn
Werewolf/Turret
1. Pengu. I am a little more iffy about this one than the others, but I have explained why I think they are WW/ turret
This leaves 4 spots left for town, 1 for non-aligned, and 1 for turret. If there are any problems with my logic, or my math, just tell me.
Post by: Arenado on May 25, 2020, 09:11:28 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 09:15:50 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 09:16:56 PM
Post by: Arenado on May 25, 2020, 10:03:50 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 25, 2020, 11:22:24 PM
Post by: Michi on May 26, 2020, 12:37:38 AM
And I'll point out that your logic for thinking Moot must be Town is not great. Sapphiron made a pretty good argument that he's neutral.
... Of course, if you think I'm sus, I'm guessing you also don't put much stock in my clue.@Sapphiron, this raises a few questions, though. Why did you hint at Batman being suspicious if he did indeed send you a message?
Sorry, I wasn't thinking straight and saw a few things that made feel susp, but I realize now that you wouldn't be. And my logic about Wintermoot is flawed, I realized. Also, the messages are anonymous, so Sapphiron
didn't know it was me.Lol, good choice, lad, as I'm kinda dying at the end of this phase.
Why Pengu and not Kane, though?
It seems pretty straightforward that Pengu is evil, as they were revealed to be poisoner by a pretty confirmed town, and nobody has died from poison for the whole game.
Your logic is confusing. Red Mones was the confirmed "evil Poisoner" and was lynched, with Laurentus confirming he was poisoned and is dying this phase.
If I was also an "evil poisoner" then it'd make no sense why more people weren't dying from poison.
Some of the logic being pushed is also based on the victim choices when most of the players are Wintreath Werewolf vets and/or were even part of the previous game. Almost everyone here knows the top players for scum to be wary of, in part because Laurentus will remind everyone in most games who those players are. You really think players like Moot or Excal or even Barnes wouldn't take note of the fact that Hydra or Tau aren't big scum threats when you have someone pointing it out all the time whenever they get lynched? Seriously, over time it becomes less of a "members of House Valeria knowing who to take down" type of thing and more of a general scum strategy when you continuously point out that "House Valeria members know to take out so and so because they're threats." Because that explanation is almos becoming a game trope that non Valerians can easily take advantage of.
But the fact of the matter is, I didn't successfully poison anyone. I specifically stated that my poison retaliation when protecting someone was purely chance rather than definite (unless Cake is in effect and makes it definite because of the joke of cake making people gassy). I've only had one successful defense (Laurentus), and unfortunately I didn't get the message that I succesfully hit a scum with poison.
The logic behind my "successful poison" was because Laurentus' clue was an empty can of Neurotoxin when if anything, that was more than likely just flavor to hint at my being a poisonous gas.
Overall, I'm a little amazed how this bandwagon even started using past game logic and using the "validity" of my role based on someone elses' ultimatums that I never even suggested on the first place, on top of a clue that could be taken multiple ways anyways.
All that being said, I'm also surprised people are getting on the Kane bandwagon if he's indeed the Morality Core, since the Morality Core in Portal 1 was what damped GlaDos' evil tendencies to where she couldn't even use her rocket launchers because the Morality Core restricted it.
Since it was more Laurentus that hinted it with the clue (since the Morality Core is the only one with a purple eye), I'm going to give Kane the benefit of the doubt for now.
That being said, I'm also going to Vote: Wintermoot because he's a Werewolf vet that would know the ins and outs and who to target to throw off suspicion to himself...and he's been a little less active than he normally is, and that's saying something since he can be quiet, but he's never this quiet. I'm surprised people are thinking he's neutral when it'd make more sense for Sapph to be the neutral one since he was added after the game had already started.
Post by: Aragonn on May 26, 2020, 01:11:10 AM
Post by: Michi on May 26, 2020, 01:20:49 AM
Batman is the morality core, not Kane.
Ah, my mistake. Carry on then.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 26, 2020, 01:40:46 AM
@Sapphiron, this raises a few questions, though. Why did you hint at Batman being suspicious if he did indeed send you a messageBecause he’s anonymous - Ruguo sent the message in his stead
And Madeline's gimmick is that she doesn't participate the whole game.Just theorising here, is her complete absence really inactivity, or part of gameplay mechanics - perhaps possibly giving Aragonn his double vote powers since the glitch came as a set of 2.
Guys, honestly, be very wary of Sapph if you ever get to LyLo and he's still somehow alive without having lynched at least one more scum. Be very afraid, at that point.Jeez, after I played a more proactive role this game and earnestly seeking out turrets.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 26, 2020, 01:45:22 AM
That being said, I'm also going to Vote: Wintermoot because he's a Werewolf vet that would know the ins and outs and who to target to throw off suspicion to himself...and he's been a little less active than he normally is, and that's saying something since he can be quiet, but he's never this quiet. I'm surprised people are thinking he's neutral when it'd make more sense for Sapph to be the neutral one since he was added after the game had already started.You know there was already 1 non-aligned stated in the OP before I entered the game. And considering how you are using your understanding of morality core having purple eye, and how it is a town role, why did you deliberately ignore the evidence of the bionic beanie with a companion cube that show perhaps Wintermoot is playing as the non-aligned protagonist
Post by: Michi on May 26, 2020, 02:40:36 AM
That being said, I'm also going to Vote: Wintermoot because he's a Werewolf vet that would know the ins and outs and who to target to throw off suspicion to himself...and he's been a little less active than he normally is, and that's saying something since he can be quiet, but he's never this quiet. I'm surprised people are thinking he's neutral when it'd make more sense for Sapph to be the neutral one since he was added after the game had already started.You know there was already 1 non-aligned stated in the OP before I entered the game. And considering how you are using your understanding of morality core having purple eye, and how it is a town role, why did you deliberately ignore the evidence of the bionic beanie with a companion cube that show perhaps Wintermoot is playing as the non-aligned protagonist
I didn't "deliberately ignore it." I even referenced how it could possibly relate to a turret later on after someone else already suggested such when someone posted the pic of a turret with a hat.
The reason I was more willing to jump at the Morality Core being true bit is because I've played through Portal and Portal 2's single player countless times and know that the Morality Core is the only purple eyed robotic object.
However, the Bionic Beanie is a co-op/multiplaye creation that I've never touched, and the only hat reference in single player was about a turret.
But looking it up, the Bionic Beanie specifically is something that Atlas or PBody wears in Co-Op mode, so it's more likely that the beanie is referencing Wintermoot being one of those roles specifically, meaning he's not as much neutral as he is some kind of good role.
Remov Vote from Wintermoot
That being said though, I'm going to go back and look at Kane some more sincr apparently I was mixing him and Batma n up.
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 26, 2020, 04:11:00 AM
I will confirm that a role cop is one aspect of my role but I would rather not elaborate on the rest of it. Unfortunately, my scans have not been very informative. I think someone role blocked me the last two nights because my scans are not giving any results. I also forgot to scan on night 1 so I couldn't confirm anything and I can't scan during the daytime.
That is how my Gerrick scan was inconclusive, because there was literally no results. Same with my scan of Batma n last night.
I am really hoping to get the orange gel effect in action but I am doubting I will live that long.
I agree with the conclusion that Wintermoot is neutral or non aligned but I came to it differently than you all did because I lack the understanding of how hats work in Portal (having never played the games), I just guessed that he is that player because of the flavor text on the night of no kills saying that the turrets didn't kill the target because they looked like a turret.
Every role claim I have heard does sound plausible to me, but just out of a self preservation instinct (I would rather not do this) I will vote to lynch Pengu. Despite his role claim sounding quite reasonable to me, I am starting to trust Laurentus and the arguments suggesting Pengu is a turret. Also I am going to vote to push the button because I remember from my time as a turret that the cake effect was quite dangerous for the cores. (If I remember correctly it gave scan immunity which would not be a good effect to deal with when trying to find turrets if that turret is here in this game.)
I am not a turret. Yes I was a turret in the last game but that does not mean I completely understand how Laurentus would play despite my having read through previous games of Werewolf. I haven't been able to get much information from my scans because they haven't had results.
Post by: Laurentus on May 26, 2020, 05:24:11 AM
You don't "want to" lynch Pengu, his claim seems genuine to you, and yet you lynch him anyway?
If you believe his claim (which I don't) then he's already successfully defended someone, whereas we have a supposed role blocker who makes your scans worthless. Sounds like you'd objectively be wanting to keep Pengu alive.
Post by: Laurentus on May 26, 2020, 05:38:34 AM
@Pengu, why didn't you defend Tau?
Post by: Sapphiron on May 26, 2020, 05:41:24 AM
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 26, 2020, 05:51:53 AM
You don't "want to" lynch Pengu, his claim seems genuine to you, and yet you lynch him anyway?What I meant with "I would rather not do this" is that I would rather not jump on a wagon just to save myself. I am saying that I think his role claim is a plausible role but I also am saying that I am believing and agreeing with you in thinking that he is scum. Especially seeing how the claim that Red Mones seems to have been fairly similar in that it was unusual enough that I am now starting to see why you did not believe him. Pengu's claim while genuine as a possibility is seeming far less likely to be the actual role as I think about it while typing this post.
If you believe his claim (which I don't) then he's already successfully defended someone, whereas we have a supposed role blocker who makes your scans worthless. Sounds like you'd objectively be wanting to keep Pengu alive.
I can't really prove that my scans are worthless because of the rules against posting screenshots from PMs (not attacking you here Ruguo). That is why I have not been posting much about my scans though (that and fear that I will be killed the next night that I post scan results). I can say though that the scan results have showed up in this format: "Your scan results ???". It is looking like you don't believe me though so I accept that I will probably be lynched anyway and a Wintrean Werewolf trend that has been avoided in a few recent games will come back. Oh well.
Now to address interrupting posts.
For the record, @Imaginative Kane, who was your scan last night?I scanned Batma n last night. The scan was worthless.
@Pengu, why didn't you defend Tau?
Kane, it’s not really convincing to say you simply “forgot” to scan N1, and you got roleblocked afterwards as a natural extension of your night reveal.I am not just saying I forgot to scan N1 to defend myself, I actually did forget to scan on that night phase which can be summarized by my being lazy after finally finishing the school finals I had to deal with which were due May 15 which contributed to my brain fart of thinking the night phase lasted more than 24 hours.
I do not actually know if I have been role blocked, that is just my guess as to why my scans are not giving any useful results. (although I think I would have been notified if I was role blocked) I have no idea what is happening there.
Post by: Michi on May 26, 2020, 06:01:40 AM
For the record, @Imaginative Kane, who was your scan last night?
@Pengu, why didn't you defend Tau?
Because I assumed Tau would have already been protected by another defender role, which obviously I was wrong on that one since Tau himself was that role.
Whereas I figured Sapph could be a target since he's been pretty vocal. For some reason I didn't consider Gerrick since he's been pretty under the radar.
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 26, 2020, 06:11:23 AM
As a side note, yes I have been very quiet (I wouldn't say all that much quieter than usual overall since I never have been that chatty in Werewolf) but keep in mind that when the posting to gain the Game Core's favor was happening, I ended up with a score of 0. Yes I only made two posts during that time but they obviously were not solely meant for spreading chaos or gaining the favor of the host core. Vroendal we know had 8 points rather quickly and Laurentus has already been defending themself for their score of 8.
And since I'm now here, Update!
Laurentus: 8
Gerrick: 0
Red Mones: 4
Batma n: 2
Vroendal: 8
Doc: 5
Imaginative Kane: 0
Excalibur: 1
Pengu: 6
Barnes: 2
Sapphiron: 4
Arenado: 1
Taulover: 1
Total: 42/42
Favour points complete. No further points will be changed. No faction receives an individual effect, as all points were met. Unlocked effect will occur at the start of the next day phase.
I wonder if a side effect that wasn't made public of the favor points was messing with the scans of investigative roles...
Just something else to consider.
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 26, 2020, 07:34:23 AM
To quote from my PM:
You are a CORE
Your Role is Seer
Your effects are Disc Inserted, Orange Hyperspeed Gel, Transport
Your effects manifest as such:
Disc Effect: Extra vote while active
Orange Effect: Choose one person to receive one night of one of the following abilities: Jailor, Bus driver, or Medium
Transport Effect: Can be transported
I forgot to act on the first night phase as I already said. Night 2, I scanned Gerrick and the scan result was this emoticon: ???. Night 3, I scanned Batma n and the scan result was the same as the Gerrick scan. I also have contact with a player who has not been active at all.
Well at least my death will show you all that I was not a turret even if this post is not believed.
Post by: Laurentus on May 26, 2020, 08:06:25 AM
vote: Pengu
Reason: Similarities in my and Imaginative Kane's PMs that could not possibly be fabricated.
Post by: Laurentus on May 26, 2020, 08:14:19 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 26, 2020, 08:16:56 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 26, 2020, 08:21:25 AM
Post by: Michi on May 26, 2020, 10:15:04 AM
unvote: Kane Lives
vote: Pengu
Reason: Similarities in my and Imaginative Kane's PMs that could not possibly be fabricated.
Well, here's mine
You are a CORE known as the Gassy Core
Your role is a modified combination of the Poisoner (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Poisoner) and Lightning Rod (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Lightning%20Rod).
Your effects are Cake, Blue Bouncy Gel, and Grav Effect
Your effects manifest as such:
Cake: Because cake makes people gassy, your poison will definitely strike with every successful redirect.
Blue Bouncy Gel: Risk poisoning your target as well as the turret.
Grav Effect: Disarmament squad: Work to disable the grav beam by the end of the phase it was first enabled.
Night 1 I chose to protect Red Mones because I figured the top players (Lau and Tau) were either Turrets or defended since unless they're the former...they're usually known to be day 1 kills and thus the first to defend. In all honesty, I didn't even consider Hydra...which I'll admit I'm not sure why I didn't consider him a night 1 possibility since he's also a pretty strong player.
Night 2, I chose Laurentus because of how vocal he was being during the night, and if he was protected the first night then he would have been vulnerable the next night unless there were was another defender and they were alternating. But I didn't want to take the chance that there wasn't since he was setting himself up pretty bad.
Night 3, I chose Sapph because they've been becoming a force to be reckoned with for the turrets, and again it was a tossup between either Tau or Sapphiron on this one. But like the previous nights, I was worried about another defensive player possibly alternating between Tau and someone else, so I chose to protect Sapph.
But since my effect will definitely poison someone since Cake is in effect, I'm hoping that I'll actually successfully protect someone again so that we'll definitely get a scum poisoned.
Post by: Laurentus on May 26, 2020, 10:26:36 AM
unvote: Kane Lives
vote: Pengu
Reason: Similarities in my and Imaginative Kane's PMs that could not possibly be fabricated.
Well, here's mine
You are a CORE known as the Gassy Core
Your role is a modified combination of the Poisoner (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Poisoner) and Lightning Rod (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Lightning%20Rod).
Your effects are Cake, Blue Bouncy Gel, and Grav Effect
Your effects manifest as such:
Cake: Because cake makes people gassy, your poison will definitely strike with every successful redirect.
Blue Bouncy Gel: Risk poisoning your target as well as the turret.
Grav Effect: Disarmament squad: Work to disable the grav beam by the end of the phase it was first enabled.
Night 1 I chose to protect Red Mones because I figured the top players (Lau and Tau) were either Turrets or defended since unless they're the former...they're usually known to be day 1 kills and thus the first to defend. In all honesty, I didn't even consider Hydra...which I'll admit I'm not sure why I didn't consider him a night 1 possibility since he's also a pretty strong player.
Night 2, I chose Laurentus because of how vocal he was being during the night, and if he was protected the first night then he would have been vulnerable the next night unless there were was another defender and they were alternating. But I didn't want to take the chance that there wasn't since he was setting himself up pretty bad.
Night 3, I chose Sapph because they've been becoming a force to be reckoned with for the turrets, and again it was a tossup between either Tau or Sapphiron on this one. But like the previous nights, I was worried about another defensive player possibly alternating between Tau and someone else, so I chose to protect Sapph.
But since my effect will definitely poison someone since Cake is in effect, I'm hoping that I'll actually successfully protect someone again so that we'll definitely get a scum poisoned.
This is hilarious, but here's the thing: There are multiple things that are just plain off about your supposed quote. For one, Ruguo never ends thier sentences with periods. For another, there is never anything after the word CORE.
Post by: Laurentus on May 26, 2020, 10:30:30 AM
Post by: Michi on May 26, 2020, 10:38:21 AM
This is why I hate games that players can use their role revealing PMs in any way whatsoever, because it makes it a sure fire win for the town when players can just stockpile their PMs and a player can point out a fake one because of fucking grammatical errors.
So yeah. I'm a turret.
Vote: Lynch Pengu
This is why I don't allow any role revealing in my games, especially to the extent of sharing the contents of our PMs.
Post by: Laurentus on May 26, 2020, 10:51:43 AM
For another, I straight up lied about the periods thing, hoping to see who followed suit, haha.
Post by: Laurentus on May 26, 2020, 10:55:22 AM
Post by: Michi on May 26, 2020, 11:03:45 AM
Haha, come on, Pengu, don't be like that. It was quite interesting to get to use forensics to try and analyse this. If you had paid attention to the structure of Kane's claim, you could have used it. You were going to get lynched anyway. I doubt that Kane was going to get lynched over you today.
For another, I straight up lied about the periods thing, hoping to see who followed suit, haha.
Then it was a really dirty trick, given you know I wrote a literal Unofficial Rules thread with PM sharing specifically as one of the things I'm very much not okay with, so forgive me when I get angry when others decide to use that as a cheap Turret finding trick in a game.
Post by: Laurentus on May 26, 2020, 11:10:14 AM
I will use any and all tools at my disposal as allowed by the rules. You know this.
Post by: Laurentus on May 26, 2020, 11:11:23 AM
Post by: Laurentus on May 26, 2020, 11:52:52 AM
To be fair to scum, I will go ahead and suicide, haha. Consider me dead as of this moment. Best of luck with the rest of the game, Town. Good game scum.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 26, 2020, 12:16:56 PM
Post by: Michi on May 26, 2020, 12:23:26 PM
What the heck just happened over here :o - and I know what happened, please don't make a post explaining it :P
Well see it happened like this:
But then it turned into this:
And that's where babies come from.
Post by: Ruguo on May 26, 2020, 02:40:58 PM
For future reference, I'm aware that I specifically said "but you may not post screenshots of your PM or use any other method to prove your roles", which does create the quote loophole as "any other method" is very ambiguous, but I still consider that a very, very grey area I would much prefer if everyone stays away from. So lets not do that again.
Push the button: 1 (Laurentus)/5
Pengu: 5 (Banes, Doc, Excalibur, Batma n, Pengu)
Kane: 2 (Sapphiron, Arenado)
Batman: 2 (Aragonn)
Pengu, the Neurotoxin Swarm, the Fog has been terminated
Laurentus, Chuck, the Flavour Cop has died of poisoning
Flavour
As the day progressed, the cores were extra sure to check for any gas leaks, especially with the threat of combustion still high from the Oxygen Core's spare containers running about. What they found from this search, however, lead them to a thick cloud of Neurotoxin, who had been clouding their vision at night. Not many had noticed, as they were sleeping, but those who were active at night would be happy to see the toxin be removed. And thus, the Neurotoxin swarm was sucked into an empty canister and tucked behind a wall, where it may not hurt anyone ever again.
Sadly, Chuck found himself growing more and more tired during this hunt. A corrosive poison ate at his wires, previously kept in check by the old man Oxygen Core. As the claw removed the barely functioing core from the game, he smiled. "Only one left to go! I'll join you on the other side!"
Sadly, Chuck found himself growing more and more tired during this hunt. A corrosive poison ate at his wires, previously kept in check by the old man Oxygen Core. As the claw removed the barely functioing core from the game, he smiled. "Only one left to go! I'll join you on the other side!"
Night four will start now and end at 11am EST on the 27th, roughly 24 hours from now. If this is a bad time for you, let me know and we can extend night a little. Power roles, please PM me your night actions.
Post by: Barnes on May 26, 2020, 04:25:37 PM
Post by: Aragonn on May 26, 2020, 04:26:34 PM
Post by: Barnes on May 26, 2020, 04:36:05 PM
Also, has no one noticed that Aragon’s been receiving double votes all game?
Post by: Sapphiron on May 26, 2020, 04:48:26 PM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 26, 2020, 04:50:25 PM
Oh. Well, that takes care of the neurotoxin swarm. Now to find and eliminate the other two...I will assume you are talking about 1 turret and 1 non-aligned?
Post by: Aragonn on May 26, 2020, 04:58:14 PM
Maybe I am, maybe I'm not. You'll just have to...test your theory. Haha.Oh. Well, that takes care of the neurotoxin swarm. Now to find and eliminate the other two...I will assume you are talking about 1 turret and 1 non-aligned?
Post by: Batma n on May 26, 2020, 11:53:18 PM
Post by: Aragonn on May 26, 2020, 11:54:51 PM
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 27, 2020, 12:18:05 AM
I agree with what has been said about role revealing because I am not a fan of it myself nor of "role call" (like in Town of Salem). I only did it out of desperation since I obviously have a target on my back now. Hopefully this scan ends up being useful.
Post by: Barnes on May 27, 2020, 05:18:42 AM
I assume that the non-aligned wouldn't need to die for town to win.
I wouldn't assume that.
There are 10 Cores, 4 Turrets?, and 1 non-game ending unaligned player.That question mark concerns me, as does Aragonn displaying that he knows more than he's willing to share. I know we're all assuming he's unaligned due to entering in the late game, but... wow.
But Batman sounds correct here. @Ruguo, can you confirm?
Post by: Michi on May 27, 2020, 11:07:45 AM
I never said goodbye, so I shall say so in a song. Actually no, I'll just wave and hope for the Turrets to win against the pitiful cores!
*disappears because he's fog*
Post by: Aragonn on May 27, 2020, 01:38:52 PM
Nice job finding turrets Laurentus.I've been trying to role-play as Wheatley this entire time, but I'm breaking character for this.
I agree with what has been said about role revealing because I am not a fan of it myself nor of "role call" (like in Town of Salem). I only did it out of desperation since I obviously have a target on my back now. Hopefully this scan ends up being useful.
I just looked at the rules in the OP, and it said to please keep to paraphrasing anything out of thread. I would assume that also means your given role. Not gonna lie, directly quoting your entire role PM was pretty nasty.
Post by: Ruguo on May 27, 2020, 03:38:09 PM
Kane has spent his last night as seer, and the role has been cut from the game, though Kane may remain. This is in response to the blatant role quote when the rules do state to stick to paraphrasing.
Additionally, while a single third party cannot win the game by themselves and will share the win with town or turrets like normal, there is a faction of third party players that could win the game together. These players do not need to be killed for cores or turrets to win the game. This effect was triggered by the "glitches" entering the game.
With that out of the way, here's your night results:
Madeline Norfolk, GLaDoS has been killed
Day starts now and will run until the 29th at the normal 3pm EST. Please keep things civil. If you want to attack someone, my inbox and discord DMs are open.
Post by: Aragonn on May 27, 2020, 04:30:32 PM
Post by: Batma n on May 27, 2020, 06:30:28 PM
Post by: Doc on May 27, 2020, 07:22:01 PM
But I append the text of both claims below just to make it abundantly super clear:
Also, Pengu, Doc and Gerrick should be thoroughly investigated in the next day phase. Doc keeps joining wagons when they're already guaranteed to succeed.I've made clear in the past, investigating me is a double-edged sword, because I steal powers.
Not borrow, steal; we literally switch roles. If multiple people do this, I steal all the powers, and you all get my role instead. I'm not really sure what would happen if all these roles got concentrated in me, like if I'd get to use all the powers every turn, or just one, which would be sort of shit, but, y'know, it's a thing.
Below is the post where I first made this roleclaim:I'm also roleclaiming right now to avoid accusations that I'm being pessimistic because I'm scum looking to destroy people's hope: I'm town, I'm a g__ (the two letters left blank for ambiguity so scum don't know what the Correct Word is; I'm hoping to use it as a shibboleth if the worst comes to pass) and I'm something like a ONUWW Robber, except I only roleswap when I'm targeted by a night action.
I'll leave it ambiguous if I roleswap when targeted by scum. DO YOU FEEL LUCKY, SCUM?
Post by: Aragonn on May 27, 2020, 10:00:49 PM
Post by: Arenado on May 27, 2020, 10:24:44 PM
Post by: Doc on May 27, 2020, 10:58:28 PM
Do I think the fact that it is a shield is pretty funny? Sorta, considering that if you'd all targeted me like I was trynna reverse-psychology people into doing that I'd be the Ultimate Power In The Universe because I'd have all the powers. Which would be pretty sick.
I do feel the need to stress though that despite the fact that people are suspicious of my role, none of you have actually bothered targeting me, a fact I know because I haven't gotten anyone's powers yet, so clearly I'm at the very worst in that sweet spot between 'I find your story suspicious in some capacity' and 'okay I've decided it's worth the risk-that-my-power-will-be-stolen of targeting you with (power)'. I figured that would be a much smaller area, but we all learn new things every day, I guess.
Madeline Norfolk, GLaDoS has been killedWhere's my flavor text!?
Confirmed not-Turrets:
Aragonn (as Wheatley the Idiot Core), Batman (as Morality Core), and Kane (as the 'not anything anymore' Core)
Probable not-Turrets:
Wintermoot (as either Atlas or P-Body, who might be Core or might be Nonaligned), Sapphiron (on the basis of Pengu mentioning him as a protection target, which to me seems like it'd be a Freudian slip, in the sense of 'obviously a defender would only defend Cores, so I won't pick someone who they will retroactively know was a Turret to defend'. And of course, being added late), Barnes (he's been on the right wagons early since the start), Me (You'll note, also the right wagons, and, again, obviously not suspicious enough to bother scanning, but if you want, fine, put me in the section below for your own analysis)
???:
Aren, Excalibur
Of the two I'm going to be suspicious of (because obviously I don't suspect myself), Aren was the more obviously suspicious to me, but then I looked at post history and Excalibur has made a grand total of 4 posts in this entire game (which, for reference, less than 1%, there's been 445 as of my post). That reeks of an attempt to fly under the radar, which is classic scum play.
Vote: Excalibur
Post by: Doc on May 27, 2020, 11:01:25 PM
Post by: Excalibur on May 27, 2020, 11:22:59 PM
I mean, would I like it to not be a shield? Yeah, definitely.I’m really sorry everyone. I haven’t been paying as much attention to the game as I should be, due to my RL work. I’ll do my best to keep up, but at this point I might request to be removed from the game.
Do I think the fact that it is a shield is pretty funny? Sorta, considering that if you'd all targeted me like I was trynna reverse-psychology people into doing that I'd be the Ultimate Power In The Universe because I'd have all the powers. Which would be pretty sick.
I do feel the need to stress though that despite the fact that people are suspicious of my role, none of you have actually bothered targeting me, a fact I know because I haven't gotten anyone's powers yet, so clearly I'm at the very worst in that sweet spot between 'I find your story suspicious in some capacity' and 'okay I've decided it's worth the risk-that-my-power-will-be-stolen of targeting you with (power)'. I figured that would be a much smaller area, but we all learn new things every day, I guess.Madeline Norfolk, GLaDoS has been killedWhere's my flavor text!?
Confirmed not-Turrets:
Aragonn (as Wheatley the Idiot Core), Batman (as Morality Core), and Kane (as the 'not anything anymore' Core)
Probable not-Turrets:
Wintermoot (as either Atlas or P-Body, who might be Core or might be Nonaligned), Sapphiron (on the basis of Pengu mentioning him as a protection target, which to me seems like it'd be a Freudian slip, in the sense of 'obviously a defender would only defend Cores, so I won't pick someone who they will retroactively know was a Turret to defend'. And of course, being added late), Barnes (he's been on the right wagons early since the start), Me (You'll note, also the right wagons, and, again, obviously not suspicious enough to bother scanning, but if you want, fine, put me in the section below for your own analysis)
???:
Aren, Excalibur
Of the two I'm going to be suspicious of (because obviously I don't suspect myself), Aren was the more obviously suspicious to me, but then I looked at post history and Excalibur has made a grand total of 4 posts in this entire game (which, for reference, less than 1%, there's been 445 as of my post). That reeks of an attempt to fly under the radar, which is classic scum play.
Vote: Excalibur
However, that is really suspicious when the only evidence you have of me is that I haven’t been posting that much. I will
Vote: Doc
I don’t know if he confirmed town or not, but I will keep my vote.
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 27, 2020, 11:50:21 PM
Could we get a button push count @Ruguo? I think it should be at least 2 right now but I am not completely sure at the moment; also do the votes of dead players get removed? if so we would be back at 1 vote there.
I will think about the posts more before truly accusing anyone of being a turret though.
Post by: Doc on May 28, 2020, 12:37:40 AM
I’m really sorry everyone. I haven’t been paying as much attention to the game as I should be, due to my RL work. I’ll do my best to keep up, but at this point I might request to be removed from the game.oh, wait, right, shit, i forgot you have finals and shit, now i feel bad
Post by: Batma n on May 28, 2020, 01:40:29 AM
I'm the Music Core. 3 times this game I can block someone's night action. I've used it once, on Vro on night 2, because I was incredibly suspicious but it did nothing because Vro did nothing in that night phase. I think Barnes is a town, I don't know what Batman and Aragonn's deal is but something is up with the two of them, I don't think they are wolves, though. I have no suspicions beyond Doc, I think it's convenient that their role claim is a shield against being scanned and, well, it's Doc and Doc is always a wolf, it's the law, but it's nothing concrete so I don't know what to go for.Ok. This will be easy to confirm. Tell us who you are roleblocking and if they are roleblocked, you are most likely core.
I've said my role at least twice at this point, which suggests if you were looking at evidence, you weren't looking particularly hard.
But I append the text of both claims below just to make it abundantly super clear:Also, Pengu, Doc and Gerrick should be thoroughly investigated in the next day phase. Doc keeps joining wagons when they're already guaranteed to succeed.I've made clear in the past, investigating me is a double-edged sword, because I steal powers.
Not borrow, steal; we literally switch roles. If multiple people do this, I steal all the powers, and you all get my role instead. I'm not really sure what would happen if all these roles got concentrated in me, like if I'd get to use all the powers every turn, or just one, which would be sort of shit, but, y'know, it's a thing.
Below is the post where I first made this roleclaim:I'm also roleclaiming right now to avoid accusations that I'm being pessimistic because I'm scum looking to destroy people's hope: I'm town, I'm a g__ (the two letters left blank for ambiguity so scum don't know what the Correct Word is; I'm hoping to use it as a shibboleth if the worst comes to pass) and I'm something like a ONUWW Robber, except I only roleswap when I'm targeted by a night action.
I'll leave it ambiguous if I roleswap when targeted by scum. DO YOU FEEL LUCKY, SCUM?
I was just trying to get all of the claims so I didn't have to go back and find them.
We just need Barnes and Excalibur to claim.
Post by: Arenado on May 28, 2020, 03:15:34 AM
Post by: Batma n on May 28, 2020, 04:43:45 AM
Sorry, I was gone for a while, which I told the people in my Survivor game, but I forgot to say it here. Since it is already out there, I will say my role is the Morality Core. I am a messenger, so I can anonymously send a message to someone. I sent a message to Wintermoot, under the guise of Arenado, pretending to have a powerful role that could also send messages, and they didn't kill Arenado, so I think Wintermoot is town. On N2, I told Sapphiron about what I did in case I died that night, and on N3 I wasn't able to do my power because I was away.
This was my claim. I was also confirmed by Laurentus.
Post by: Arenado on May 28, 2020, 05:26:18 AM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 28, 2020, 01:17:09 PM
Let's look at who's left.
Aragonn, Arenado, Barnes, Batma n, Doc, Excalibur, Imaginative Kane, Sapphiron, Wintermoot
Not Turret: Batma n (Morality Core confirmed by Lau's scan), Imaginative Kane (He scanned me last night, and he is now useless), Me (I am not going to justify myself after hunting town Turrets with Lau), Wintermoot (I am going to bet on this because of Lau's scan, but it shouldn't affect our Core victory), Aragonn (My Cake effect - I can identify 1 random non-turret once , I will attest to that)
Probable Core: Excalibur (I am going to excuse him because he literally said "At this point I might request to be removed from the game", accompanied by 7 days of forum inactivity prior. He would have missed the night phase + Turret wouldn't throw the game at this point)
Essentially, what we have left are - Arenado, Barnes, Doc
Tbh, we can technically make our way down the list 1 by 1 but by virtue of Doc and Barnes being on the right wagon consistently (Vro and Pengu), for this phase, I am going to Vote: Lynch Arenado
Post by: Aragonn on May 28, 2020, 01:34:17 PM
Post by: Doc on May 28, 2020, 04:59:58 PM
How do you know that Doc or Barnes haven't been hustling their own to try to avoid suspicion?ordinarily I'd leap to defend myself, but Wheatley saying this sort of seems like it's the nail in the coffin for Aren
Vote: Arenado
Post by: Batma n on May 28, 2020, 05:04:03 PM
Coolio, enough with trying to throw suspicion on Batma n, he is confirmed Core. Lau's scan proved it.
Let's look at who's left.
Aragonn, Arenado, Barnes, Batma n, Doc, Excalibur, Imaginative Kane, Sapphiron, Wintermoot
Not Turret: Batma n (Morality Core confirmed by Lau's scan), Imaginative Kane (He scanned me last night, and he is now useless), Me (I am not going to justify myself after hunting town Turrets with Lau), Wintermoot (I am going to bet on this because of Lau's scan, but it shouldn't affect our Core victory), Aragonn (My Cake effect - I can identify 1 random non-turret once , I will attest to that)
Probable Core: Excalibur (I am going to excuse him because he literally said "At this point I might request to be removed from the game", accompanied by 7 days of forum inactivity prior. He would have missed the night phase + Turret wouldn't throw the game at this point)
Essentially, what we have left are - Arenado, Barnes, Doc
Tbh, we can technically make our way down the list 1 by 1 but by virtue of Doc and Barnes being on the right wagon consistently (Vro and Pengu), for this phase, I am going to Vote: Lynch Arenado
I don't think we should vote Arenado because we can easily confirm them tonight. If nobody gets RB'd, Arenado is evil. Barnes hasn't claimed yet, so I am going to Vote Barnes
But what can you do? What are your powers?
My power is sending someone an anonymous message every night.
Post by: Batma n on May 28, 2020, 05:19:37 PM
I think I should be the one to get roleblocked because my role isn't very useful now. Imaginative Kane could visit Doc because they are now useless.
If we mislynch Barnes, and Arenado and Doc are both town, we still have the numbers to lynch Excalibur.
Post by: Doc on May 28, 2020, 05:43:12 PM
I think I should be the one to get roleblocked because my role isn't very useful now. Imaginative Kane could visit Doc because they are now useless.I interpreted Kane's power being removed as 'he no longer has a power', not 'his Seer ability is still there but fails 100% of the time now'.
I doubt he can actually come pay me a visit anymore.
Post by: Aragonn on May 28, 2020, 07:20:24 PM
Post by: Arenado on May 28, 2020, 08:52:24 PM
And I was on the wagon with Vro, the only reason I was not on the wagon with Red and Pengu was that I was asleep when they became obvious wolves.
And I will try to role block someone, I just wont say who because if it is not the wolf then who ever the wolf is knows who to target to cast suspicion on me.
Post by: Aragonn on May 28, 2020, 10:40:32 PM
Post by: Aragonn on May 28, 2020, 10:44:10 PM
Just thought I should point that out...
Post by: Imaginative Kane on May 29, 2020, 12:00:03 AM
That is also what I think it is. While I am no longer able to scan, I can still vote, and sometimes I might have other actions available...I think I should be the one to get roleblocked because my role isn't very useful now. Imaginative Kane could visit Doc because they are now useless.I interpreted Kane's power being removed as 'he no longer has a power', not 'his Seer ability is still there but fails 100% of the time now'.
I doubt he can actually come pay me a visit anymore.
Also, did anyone notice when I voted to push the button the vote count was at 8 of 7 needed to push the button and the button was still not pushed?Are you trying to make yourself suspicious? I am curious about that because it almost seems like you are.
Just thought I should point that out...
On a side note, I have also been wondering about what happened with that button pushing vote too.
For now I will vote Excalibur to make the votecount more even.
And so that we have a vote count (for lynch votes)
Arenado: 2 (Sapphiron and Doc)
Excalibur: 2 (myself and Arenado)
Doc: 1 (Excalibur)
Batma n: 1 (Aragonn)
Post by: Sapphiron on May 29, 2020, 02:03:21 AM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 29, 2020, 02:07:23 AM
I don't think we should vote Arenado because we can easily confirm them tonight. If nobody gets RB'd, Arenado is evil. Barnes hasn't claimed yet, so I am going to Vote BarnesMeh, you do you. I lost the motivation to argue, either way work down the list. If one flips town, move on to the other for the next day phase.
Arenado
Barnes
Doc
Post by: Aragonn on May 29, 2020, 02:22:49 AM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 29, 2020, 02:40:19 AM
Do I think Aragonn is a turret? No. Do I care to ensure his win? Also no
Post by: Batma n on May 29, 2020, 02:57:14 AM
Arenado, I'm fine with you not saying, but you should RB a confirmed town so they can't lie.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 29, 2020, 03:00:02 AM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 29, 2020, 03:01:53 AM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 29, 2020, 03:03:11 AM
What makes you think that the person he is going to roleblock, if he does have roleblocking abilities, have an ability that can be used daily and hence can be proven to be blocked?If anything, the only roleblocker around has been roleblocking a confirmed Seer - Kane
Post by: Ruguo on May 29, 2020, 03:09:02 AM
Push the Button: 1 (Kane)/5
Arenado: 2 (Sapphiron, Doc)
Excalibur: 3 (Kane, Arenado, Batma n)
Doc: 1 (Excalibur)
Batma n: 2 (Aragonn)
Post by: Aragonn on May 29, 2020, 03:12:36 AM
In your famous words ...You know what? I don't like your attitude. I think I'll have a much better shot at winning with the turret.
Do I think Aragonn is a turret? No. Do I care to ensure his win? Also no
Unvote: Batman
Vote: Arenado
If you feel like being more cooperative, I'll consider helping.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 29, 2020, 03:25:31 AM
Post by: Arenado on May 29, 2020, 03:29:27 AM
Post by: Excalibur on May 29, 2020, 03:48:08 AM
@Excalibur At this point, I don't even care if it's for self-preservation. Vote with me against Arenado on my wagon.I really am not sure who to trust at this point.
Unvote: Doc
Vote: Arenado
Post by: Barnes on May 29, 2020, 03:54:09 AM
Plus I'm not comfortable with Arenado's suspicion on you last day phase despite you being a core. Doc is next on my list, but like what he said himself, Aragonn's non-suspicion of him (and me) basically confirms that Arenado is evil. (Vote Arenado.)
I do, however, object to your "mandatory role reveal". Role reveals are against the spirit of the game, and it instills an "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" mentality that I ideologically disagree with.
Post by: Barnes on May 29, 2020, 03:56:06 AM
I think I'll have a much better shot at winning with the turret.isn't exactly helping.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 29, 2020, 04:06:17 AM
Post by: Arenado on May 29, 2020, 04:10:27 AM
At this point, lynching me would be incredibly disadvantageous to the town, I can easily confirm my innocence tonight and each mislynch will tilt things towards the wolves. Doc's role claim is incredibly suspicious and is totally unconfirmed, Excalibur has been flying under the radar, a classic wolf tactic. There are far more suspicious people then me and lynching me puts you in an incredibly disadvantageous position. I vote for Doc because I think he is far more suspicious then me and out of a desire for some chance of self preservation.
Post by: Barnes on May 29, 2020, 04:13:12 AM
Alternatively, it could just be one of Aragonn’s manipulative shenanigans. At this point we can just continue our game without regard to him.I was trying to, but it felt like he was throwing a wrench in things with that statement.
Post by: Aragonn on May 29, 2020, 04:14:35 AM
Post by: Batma n on May 29, 2020, 04:17:13 AM
Batman, roleblocking town does nothing. Time's not on our side for that, and I don't want to take the chance of the roleblocker being a turret role. I personally don't think that consumable roles would be written in this game, either. (Not that Silv would be above that, but it doesn't seem likely given the other roles that have appeared in this round.)
Plus I'm not comfortable with Arenado's suspicion on you last day phase despite you being a core. Doc is next on my list, but like what he said himself, Aragonn's non-suspicion of him (and me) basically confirms that Arenado is evil. (Vote Arenado.)
I do, however, object to your "mandatory role reveal". Role reveals are against the spirit of the game, and it instills an "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" mentality that I ideologically disagree with.
I understand the hesitance, but this is the end-game, so even if you die tonight, we still win, so it is advantageous to get your claim.
Can we please lynch someone who hasn't claimed. Excalibur and Barnes both haven't claimed. The other claims can be confirmed. If they won't claim, they could be anything. I'm fine with either one, but if they don't claim, we have to lynch one of them.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 29, 2020, 04:19:54 AM
Post by: Arenado on May 29, 2020, 04:28:58 AM
Post by: Batma n on May 29, 2020, 03:02:02 PM
Oh my god, even if they claim, they will only claim the town variant of their role. Even if you do prove their specific power, you can't prove their alignment. :o
At first I though that, but if there is only one turret left, they have to be a killing turret or they are screwed. So, if Arenado is a turret roleblocker, they can't win.
Post by: Sapphiron on May 29, 2020, 03:04:07 PM
Post by: Sapphiron on May 29, 2020, 03:40:03 PM
That's assuming the last wolf standing has a power that aligns with a town power, so far none of the town powers have aligned with a wolf power, as far as I remember, why would you assume that the last wolf power would be different?Because general powers of investigation and roleblock can be easily described, with a simple adjustment to alignment
Post by: Ruguo on May 29, 2020, 07:00:18 PM
No, really.
How could you?
HOW COULD YOU? My turrets... My precious turrets. How does a puny core take down an Animal King? Not even the toxic waste could do that. This proves neither of you are good for what I needed.
Whatever. At least... At least you got rid of GLaDoS for me. But she'll be back. So long as even one of her cores are still living, she'll be back. Which means you all have to die.
You've done nothing. Nothing. NOTHING!
I just...
I...
I wanted...
You know, it's funny. Ha-Ha. I've lied to you all. I'm not a core at all. I'm just a cube trying to find their place in this wide world. I wanted to be like you, I wanted to be one of you. Why?
Now I see. You're... you're no better than me. In fact, I'm already better than you. How many of you could have pulled off this chaos? How many of you are truly immortal like I?
It's a shame I have to kill you all. Really. Some of you could have been amazing for furthering my schemes. But...
I can run this place without any of you.
I'll conquer the galaxy. But first, I need to make sure none of you stand in my way. Even one of you escaping here threatens my rule. I can't have Her coming back. I can't let the moron take over. So it's just easier this way. I hope you understand.
You've all lost, even when you've won.
*Bing* Initiating purge. Please remain calm. *Bing*
In a few moments, you'll all be but a memory. A good one, but a memory none the less. It's time for me to go bigger.
Goodbye, Cores. Congrats on "winning".
Mwahahahahahaha!
End of Game. Game Cube wins!
Play again?
Play again?
Arenado, Animal King, The Wolf King/Godfather Was Killed
Town (Technically) Wins!
Were there different endings? Oh yes. Yes indeed. Am I planning to lead this storyline into something bigger? Maaaaaaybe.
Anyhow. We're at the end now. Feedback is welcome, yelling is allowed if it is directed at me. I'll post the chats and master document here in a bit, so don't run away quite yet if that's your scene. I just gotta figure out the best way to get everything publicly accessible.
Thanks for playing and sticking with me! It ended up being a not-so-horrible Werewolf 22.
Post by: Vroendal on May 29, 2020, 07:10:50 PM
All of you impressed me with your different playstyles and brilliant deductions. You're all clearly rather talented at this, and I feel that I have grown as a player with you.
Post by: Aragonn on May 29, 2020, 07:32:06 PM
Post by: Ruguo on May 29, 2020, 07:36:46 PM
Post by: Red Mones on May 29, 2020, 07:40:14 PM
I'd like to try being on a wolf team with Laurentus in the future. ;)
Post by: Laurentus on May 29, 2020, 07:48:58 PM
Haha, Sapphiron really pulled it off there at the end.
Post by: Hydra on May 29, 2020, 07:52:59 PM
Post by: Aragonn on May 29, 2020, 07:59:48 PM
Post by: Vroendal on May 29, 2020, 08:05:43 PM
Red Mones died first, and he was our secondary killer as well.
Post by: Doc on May 29, 2020, 08:13:49 PM
THE CURSE IS LIFTED
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 29, 2020, 08:32:58 PM
Post by: Barnes on May 29, 2020, 08:36:15 PM
Batman, I wanted so badly to tell you to lay off! I actually didn’t have any powers, and was basically voting fodder for town (as indicated by the wagons). I didn’t want to reveal because my win condition was to keep Moot and me alive together, and didn’t want a wolf killing either of us off to be petty.
Fun game, Silv! I’m grateful that you gave us another chance, and I appreciated the flavor.
Post by: Aragonn on May 29, 2020, 08:50:47 PM
Post by: Laurentus on May 29, 2020, 09:08:43 PM
Post by: Batma n on May 29, 2020, 09:12:52 PM
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 29, 2020, 09:52:12 PM
Post by: Doc on May 29, 2020, 09:58:35 PM
I was rooting for Docs death the while game because I'm spiteful >:D
Post by: Arenado on May 29, 2020, 10:05:01 PM
I do also have a bit of a gripe with Kane, the role reveal was a really dirty play and, however technically legal it was (and I still disagree it was legal, it was certainly against the spirit of the game), you should not have done it and you knew you should not have done it. I'm really disappointed in you, man.
All in all I think this game can serve as an example moving forward and I do think some measures should be adopted, along with a guide for hosts so that future hosts have something to fall back on in confusing situations.
Post by: ☆ Princess Abigail ☆ on May 29, 2020, 10:08:37 PM
I was rooting for Docs death the while game because I'm spiteful >:Dmaybe if you weren't so damn suspicious by default and design i wouldn't have voted for your death
Post by: Sapphiron on May 30, 2020, 12:08:48 AM
Anyway, can I just say I was really pissed on the day Kane scanned me and flipped my alignment from turret to town. I was playing as a turret all the way and managed to convince most of you all after all :P And my anger made me extremely sensitive to Aragonn’s manipulations for some reason, and it clicked. No doubt Lau did most of the heavylifting, at least I didn’t disappoint him in the end 8)
Thanks for the game everyone. Appreciate all the mechanics you have planned for this Ruguo, really brilliant (even if my pet peeve is role flip >:D)
Post by: Excalibur on May 30, 2020, 12:12:23 AM
Does that mean I won too? :))
Post by: Laurentus on May 30, 2020, 12:09:35 PM
Which kinda dooms me to die early regardless of my actual alignment, haha.
Post by: Aragonn on May 30, 2020, 03:20:36 PM
I was really rooting for ya, Aragonn. If Kane hadn't scanned Sapph last night, I think you would have pulled off your win super easy.I'm kinda sad I let you down like that. Just out of curiosity, who was the Ego Core?
Post by: Doc on May 30, 2020, 04:03:07 PM
I'm kinda sad I let you down like that. Just out of curiosity, who was the Ego Core?
Quote from: Ruguo
~SYSTEM MESSAGE~(https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aM9wrqR_460s.jpg)
Welcome back, EGO CORE. We’re so glad to have you.
We apologize for the toxic waste incident. It was an unforeseen malfunction caused by someone spamming the button earlier. As you are okay now, you are entitled to 0 (Zero) compensation by Aperture Laboratories.
User: Game Cube would like to issue the following reminders before you continue on in your testing journey.
You are a CORE
Your Role is Purple Goo
When targeted by another player, you assume their role and they become the goo. *Targeting that results in death is exempt to this effect. You still die.*
Your effects are Anti-Grav Funnel, Cake, White Portal Gel
Your effects manifest as such:
Grav Effect: Trapped!
Cake Effect: Your generosity spikes from the warm cake. You are able to temporarily share your current role, be it goo or whatever you might end up with, with another player for a single night while this effect is active.
White Effect: You become red goo if you haven’t already changed roles. If this is rolled a second time and you have not changed yet, you become toxic goo.
Thank you for choosing Aperture for your testing journey. Your Testing Chamber will open when all subjects are ready. Do not disclose anything to anyone until the test is concluded.
~END~
Post by: Aragonn on May 30, 2020, 04:06:29 PM
Post by: Excalibur on May 31, 2020, 01:58:02 AM
Haha, I'm never nearly this effective as a Wolf. People start asking why I'm 1. Still alive and 2. Haven't lynched scum yet by D2, usually, and I'm almost always the first scan choice. To quote Aren, haha: "Yeah, when I am a Seer, I scan Lau. Either I find a Wolf or a super-powered Townie."I knew it!
Which kinda dooms me to die early regardless of my actual alignment, haha.
Kono Dio da!I'm kinda sad I let you down like that. Just out of curiosity, who was the Ego Core?Quote from: Ruguo~SYSTEM MESSAGE~(https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aM9wrqR_460s.jpg)
Welcome back, EGO CORE. We’re so glad to have you.
We apologize for the toxic waste incident. It was an unforeseen malfunction caused by someone spamming the button earlier. As you are okay now, you are entitled to 0 (Zero) compensation by Aperture Laboratories.
User: Game Cube would like to issue the following reminders before you continue on in your testing journey.
You are a CORE
Your Role is Purple Goo
When targeted by another player, you assume their role and they become the goo. *Targeting that results in death is exempt to this effect. You still die.*
Your effects are Anti-Grav Funnel, Cake, White Portal Gel
Your effects manifest as such:
Grav Effect: Trapped!
Cake Effect: Your generosity spikes from the warm cake. You are able to temporarily share your current role, be it goo or whatever you might end up with, with another player for a single night while this effect is active.
White Effect: You become red goo if you haven’t already changed roles. If this is rolled a second time and you have not changed yet, you become toxic goo.
Thank you for choosing Aperture for your testing journey. Your Testing Chamber will open when all subjects are ready. Do not disclose anything to anyone until the test is concluded.
~END~