Oof, 6 wolves??To be fair, there's 30 players.
Oof, 6 wolves??To be fair, there's 30 players.
Oof, 6 wolves??Mathematically, having a greater than 1/4 Wolves/Total is 'optimal', because that allows 1 mislynch + night kill per villager without automatically dooming the villagers. I think 1/4 Wolves/Villagers is probably in a sweet spot between 'too easy' and 'devilishly difficult' (anything below 1/4 Wolves/Total).
Por que no los dos?True, true. I guess it will be important for members of each team to work to make sure their side will win.
Oof, 6 wolves??You sound like someone who rolled scum.
Indeed, and since the Wolves are at a numbers disadvantage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have extra abilities to help compensate.As though in any other situation it would not be vital hm
This game is going to be insane. Team work is going to be absolutely vital.
Por que no los dos?Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already :))
Y'all I haven't been able to get through reading my pm or the OP without my eyes glazing over and idk when I'm gonna have the strength to push throughOof, 6 wolves??You sound like someone who rolled scum.Indeed, and since the Wolves are at a numbers disadvantage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have extra abilities to help compensate.As though in any other situation it would not be vital hm
This game is going to be insane. Team work is going to be absolutely vital.
I hardly would call this any more a numbers disadvantage than there always is, 30 players can cause so much chaos it would be almost miraculous to lynch scum when you have six people who obviously don't want you to do that. Without regard to roles a 6 player team is quite big enough to do whatever the heck they want just from how easy it is subtly poke things in the direction they want them to go, while the rest of us may be unfortunately paranoid and wishy washy which happens in these kinds of situationsPor que no los dos?Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already :))
Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already :))Pretty sure he was just referencing this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OawrlVoQqSs).
A vote for yourself counts as a vote for “No Lynch”.
A vote for yourself counts as a vote for “No Lynch”.
Oh thank god. I need to steal this rule.
3) The Seer is welcome to share any knowledge they learn so long as they're still alive in the game. However, because this is a game of liars, a Seer's findings will be seen at face value and as a possible death sentence either at the hands of the mob, or at the werewolves.why is this a rule and what the fuck is that supposed to mean
should be 7 or 8 wolves imo, 6 wolves is 1 wolf for every 4 town, while the usual is 1 for every 3 (in this game would be 7.5)6 is still a formidable number despite the amount of town there is.
confirming I got the role PM here cuz I have no idea where I'm supposed toI would've replied to the PM instead of blurting to everyone that I got a role. Some things are better left secret.
lesgo
It means there's no rules against the seer ousting themselves as the seer, but given the nature of the game, doing so runs quite a few deadly risks.3) The Seer is welcome to share any knowledge they learn so long as they're still alive in the game. However, because this is a game of liars, a Seer's findings will be seen at face value and as a possible death sentence either at the hands of the mob, or at the werewolves.why is this a rule and what the fuck is that supposed to mean
6 is lame unless we have serial killers (which we prolly do so it's fine ig)should be 7 or 8 wolves imo, 6 wolves is 1 wolf for every 4 town, while the usual is 1 for every 3 (in this game would be 7.5)6 is still a formidable number despite the amount of town there is.confirming I got the role PM here cuz I have no idea where I'm supposed toI would've replied to the PM instead of blurting to everyone that I got a role. Some things are better left secret.
lesgoIt means there's no rules against the seer ousting themselves as the seer, but given the nature of the game, doing so runs quite a few deadly risks.3) The Seer is welcome to share any knowledge they learn so long as they're still alive in the game. However, because this is a game of liars, a Seer's findings will be seen at face value and as a possible death sentence either at the hands of the mob, or at the werewolves.why is this a rule and what the fuck is that supposed to mean
will we know what status effect is happening? Or is it one of those games where the host will know, and the only way we'll know is by the end of the phase/power roles figuring it out by how their power goes?
is roleclaiming not allowed? why make a rule just to state the expected?
6 is lame unless we have serial killers (which we prolly do so it's fine ig)This seems an awful lot like a turret complaining about the number of turrets.
Geez I dont guess there's an easier way to quote than just quoting the entire post?Y'all I haven't been able to get through reading my pm or the OP without my eyes glazing over and idk when I'm gonna have the strength to push throughOof, 6 wolves??You sound like someone who rolled scum.Indeed, and since the Wolves are at a numbers disadvantage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have extra abilities to help compensate.As though in any other situation it would not be vital hm
This game is going to be insane. Team work is going to be absolutely vital.
I hardly would call this any more a numbers disadvantage than there always is, 30 players can cause so much chaos it would be almost miraculous to lynch scum when you have six people who obviously don't want you to do that. Without regard to roles a 6 player team is quite big enough to do whatever the heck they want just from how easy it is subtly poke things in the direction they want them to go, while the rest of us may be unfortunately paranoid and wishy washy which happens in these kinds of situationsPor que no los dos?Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already :))
We're not used to playing games here where the roles list is not available, and we have many people playing for the first time, so yeah, team work is going to be much more vital than it usually is.
Haha, answering in a different language is a scum slip for you? I will keep that in mind, but I suppose scum!Funnier will not be repeating such an act now that they've let the entire world know what it is.
And fair enough, with so many new players added on top of it, this is likely to produce a very paranoid town.
I saw Doc had quoted me and I was thinking of our Doc and I was like aaa Doc and then I looked and I was like AAA BUG MONSTER DOC so this shouldn't be confusing at allY'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already :))Pretty sure he was just referencing this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OawrlVoQqSs).
Bad Minish! No push button push button bad I DO NOT NEED MORE COMPLICATIONS I'm still working my way through figuring out my role PM and I still havent finished the OP and I need you to be town so you'd better be town cause I dont want to trust this to anyone elseA vote for yourself counts as a vote for “No Lynch”.
Oh thank god. I need to steal this rule.
Btw, is there an easy way to multi-quote and/or only quote small sections of a post?
The mechanics of this game are interesting and there's a lot going on so probably fairly confusing. Which is going to be hell trying to juggle crazy mechanics and not knowing most of y'all's meta.
It seems there's not currently a status in effect? I'm down for pushing the button and seeing what happens. This mechanic seems similar to a planeswalking mechanic that occured in a MtG game a few of us here played in. And in that game, the effects of the plane had potential for outting scum if played right, so maybe we'll get some info like that from status effects in this game.
Vote: Push the Button
why are you claiming that the mafia team is, like, only turrets6 is lame unless we have serial killers (which we prolly do so it's fine ig)This seems an awful lot like a turret complaining about the number of turrets.
Vote: ExLight
Bad Minish! No push button push button bad I DO NOT NEED MORE COMPLICATIONS I'm still working my way through figuring out my role PM and I still havent finished the OP and I need you to be town so you'd better be town cause I dont want to trust this to anyone elseVote: Push the Button
owhy are you claiming that the mafia team is, like, only turrets6 is lame unless we have serial killers (which we prolly do so it's fine ig)This seems an awful lot like a turret complaining about the number of turrets.
Vote: ExLight
sus
What is the button effect currently?There is no effect currently, as the button has not been pushed yet.
I see in the OP where everyone got a PM with abilities, but I don't see anything that says everyone has a role. Sure, you could say that a regular core is a role, but when I'm talking about roles I'm talking about the special roles like seer, defender, and wolf. Absolutely nothing says everyone got one of those. Hence why I said secrecy is prudent.afik everyone received role pm, I don't see why me confirming that I have one is of any relevanceconfirming I got the role PM here cuz I have no idea where I'm supposed toI would've replied to the PM instead of blurting to everyone that I got a role. Some things are better left secret.
lesgo
Vote: Aragonn
Really don't like your attitude trying to throw shade
This seems an awful lot like a turret complaining about the number of turrets.For similar reasons I vote Doc. Mathing up the turrets strategy right off the bat sounds like he’s trying to compute an advantage for himself under the guise of being helpful.
At the very least, I believe Ruguo has said on Discord that everyone is a named Portal character, and that they have roles prepped for everyone.I see in the OP where everyone got a PM with abilities, but I don't see anything that says everyone has a role. Sure, you could say that a regular core is a role, but when I'm talking about roles I'm talking about the special roles like seer, defender, and wolf. Absolutely nothing says everyone got one of those. Hence why I said secrecy is prudent.afik everyone received role pm, I don't see why me confirming that I have one is of any relevanceconfirming I got the role PM here cuz I have no idea where I'm supposed toI would've replied to the PM instead of blurting to everyone that I got a role. Some things are better left secret.
lesgo
Vote: Aragonn
Really don't like your attitude trying to throw shade
I'm not throwing shade. But if that's how you wish to perceive it, you're free to do so.
What's the worst that could happen?
You assume I've been watching and reading the Discord chat. Unless someone shares details of the goings on of the Discord chat, like you just did, I very likely will have no idea something happened there.At the very least, I believe Ruguo has said on Discord that everyone is a named Portal character, and that they have roles prepped for everyone.I see in the OP where everyone got a PM with abilities, but I don't see anything that says everyone has a role. Sure, you could say that a regular core is a role, but when I'm talking about roles I'm talking about the special roles like seer, defender, and wolf. Absolutely nothing says everyone got one of those. Hence why I said secrecy is prudent.afik everyone received role pm, I don't see why me confirming that I have one is of any relevanceconfirming I got the role PM here cuz I have no idea where I'm supposed toI would've replied to the PM instead of blurting to everyone that I got a role. Some things are better left secret.
lesgo
Vote: Aragonn
Really don't like your attitude trying to throw shade
I'm not throwing shade. But if that's how you wish to perceive it, you're free to do so.
That said, the OP does say that some people's central roles may just be as simple as "villager", but everyone does still have that central character role and also have up to three rotating status effects depending on the Button status. Based on these and other comments by Ruguo on Discord, I think it is fair to assume that everyone received a role PM.
this is just poor semantics at this pointI see in the OP where everyone got a PM with abilities, but I don't see anything that says everyone has a role. Sure, you could say that a regular core is a role, but when I'm talking about roles I'm talking about the special roles like seer, defender, and wolf. Absolutely nothing says everyone got one of those. Hence why I said secrecy is prudent.afik everyone received role pm, I don't see why me confirming that I have one is of any relevanceconfirming I got the role PM here cuz I have no idea where I'm supposed toI would've replied to the PM instead of blurting to everyone that I got a role. Some things are better left secret.
lesgo
Vote: Aragonn
Really don't like your attitude trying to throw shade
I'm not throwing shade. But if that's how you wish to perceive it, you're free to do so.
I'm not assuming anything; this wasn't intended as an attack on you or anything. Am just hoping to provide some clarification based on known facts here.You assume I've been watching and reading the Discord chat. Unless someone shares details of the goings on of the Discord chat, like you just did, I very likely will have no idea something happened there.At the very least, I believe Ruguo has said on Discord that everyone is a named Portal character, and that they have roles prepped for everyone.I see in the OP where everyone got a PM with abilities, but I don't see anything that says everyone has a role. Sure, you could say that a regular core is a role, but when I'm talking about roles I'm talking about the special roles like seer, defender, and wolf. Absolutely nothing says everyone got one of those. Hence why I said secrecy is prudent.afik everyone received role pm, I don't see why me confirming that I have one is of any relevanceconfirming I got the role PM here cuz I have no idea where I'm supposed toI would've replied to the PM instead of blurting to everyone that I got a role. Some things are better left secret.
lesgo
Vote: Aragonn
Really don't like your attitude trying to throw shade
I'm not throwing shade. But if that's how you wish to perceive it, you're free to do so.
That said, the OP does say that some people's central roles may just be as simple as "villager", but everyone does still have that central character role and also have up to three rotating status effects depending on the Button status. Based on these and other comments by Ruguo on Discord, I think it is fair to assume that everyone received a role PM.
I've read the OP about 3 times now, and I'm still not sure. :PI think a lot of us are in that boat. :P
Bad Minish! No push button push button bad I DO NOT NEED MORE COMPLICATIONS I'm still working my way through figuring out my role PM and I still havent finished the OP and I need you to be town so you'd better be town cause I dont want to trust this to anyone elseA vote for yourself counts as a vote for “No Lynch”.
Oh thank god. I need to steal this rule.
Btw, is there an easy way to multi-quote and/or only quote small sections of a post?
The mechanics of this game are interesting and there's a lot going on so probably fairly confusing. Which is going to be hell trying to juggle crazy mechanics and not knowing most of y'all's meta.
It seems there's not currently a status in effect? I'm down for pushing the button and seeing what happens. This mechanic seems similar to a planeswalking mechanic that occured in a MtG game a few of us here played in. And in that game, the effects of the plane had potential for outting scum if played right, so maybe we'll get some info like that from status effects in this game.
Vote: Push the Button
@Ruguo just out of curiosity, does a successful vote to push the button apply the effects in the current phase or does that not happen until the next phase?The effects take effect as soon as the button is pushed, during the current phase.
or OR we could just not press button and try to solve game with what we have mhm mkay thxBad Minish! No push button push button bad I DO NOT NEED MORE COMPLICATIONS I'm still working my way through figuring out my role PM and I still havent finished the OP and I need you to be town so you'd better be town cause I dont want to trust this to anyone elseA vote for yourself counts as a vote for “No Lynch”.
Oh thank god. I need to steal this rule.
Btw, is there an easy way to multi-quote and/or only quote small sections of a post?
The mechanics of this game are interesting and there's a lot going on so probably fairly confusing. Which is going to be hell trying to juggle crazy mechanics and not knowing most of y'all's meta.
It seems there's not currently a status in effect? I'm down for pushing the button and seeing what happens. This mechanic seems similar to a planeswalking mechanic that occured in a MtG game a few of us here played in. And in that game, the effects of the plane had potential for outting scum if played right, so maybe we'll get some info like that from status effects in this game.
Vote: Push the Button
Hey, I've already read my PM and the OP and understand it about the best I'm going to right now without actually getting to the mechanics of the game.
We have 72 hours this first day. Pushing the button early allows us more time to figure out just how effects work and discuss them. I don't wanna wait til eod or d2 to do it when we have even less time.
Bad Minish! No push button push button bad I DO NOT NEED MORE COMPLICATIONS I'm still working my way through figuring out my role PM and I still havent finished the OP and I need you to be town so you'd better be town cause I dont want to trust this to anyone elseA vote for yourself counts as a vote for “No Lynch”.
Oh thank god. I need to steal this rule.
Btw, is there an easy way to multi-quote and/or only quote small sections of a post?
The mechanics of this game are interesting and there's a lot going on so probably fairly confusing. Which is going to be hell trying to juggle crazy mechanics and not knowing most of y'all's meta.
It seems there's not currently a status in effect? I'm down for pushing the button and seeing what happens. This mechanic seems similar to a planeswalking mechanic that occured in a MtG game a few of us here played in. And in that game, the effects of the plane had potential for outting scum if played right, so maybe we'll get some info like that from status effects in this game.
Vote: Push the Button
Hey, I've already read my PM and the OP and understand it about the best I'm going to right now without actually getting to the mechanics of the game.
We have 72 hours this first day. Pushing the button early allows us more time to figure out just how effects work and discuss them. I don't wanna wait til eod or d2 to do it when we have even less time.
member=2257]Ruguo[/member], I'd like to clarify something: does voting to push the button count as a separate vote to the one for the lynch? Because I wanna start pushing some folks, but I also wanna push the button.
I'm going to focus my attention on @Aragonn for now, though: why exactly are you this defensive? I know from the last game that it's par for the course for you to get very defensive when falsely accused, but not by complete strangers like Ex.I'm not getting defensive. I was simply trying to help people understand the rules. Why everyone is jumping on me for it, I don't know.
or OR we could just not press button and try to solve game with what we have mhm mkay thx
Also the effects are literally listed?
Although that's true, I don't want Mathy lurking.
I'm going to vote ExLight.
I'm going to focus my attention on @Aragonn for now, though: why exactly are you this defensive? I know from the last game that it's par for the course for you to get very defensive when falsely accused, but not by complete strangers like Ex.Isn't attacking Aragonn for being defensive what got you in trouble last game? I know it's the first turn and all, but it looks like he simply wasn't aware that everyone got a PM. It goes without saying that I find this suspicious, as well as ExLight's quick vote for Aragonn and Fiji's vote for ExLight for no stated reason. I'm going to wait another day before voting though...hopefully the players who haven't posted yet will start contributing and that'll give us something more to go on.
I'll not push the button still and vote @Mathyland just to get them more active.
I'm going to focus my attention on @Aragonn for now, though: why exactly are you this defensive? I know from the last game that it's par for the course for you to get very defensive when falsely accused, but not by complete strangers like Ex.Isn't attacking Aragonn for being defensive what got you in trouble last game? I know it's the first turn and all, but it looks like he simply wasn't aware that everyone got a PM. It goes without saying that I find this suspicious, as well as ExLight's quick vote for Aragonn and Fiji's vote for ExLight for no stated reason. I'm going to wait another day before voting though...hopefully the players who haven't posted yet will start contributing and that'll give us something more to go on.
Also, I'm kinda meh on pushing the button...not sure I'm ready to add effects on top of everything else so soon in the game. ;-;
I'm going to vote ExLight.hi, what the fuck
I'm not getting defensive. I was simply trying to help people understand the rules. Why everyone is jumping on me for it, I don't know.Why do people always sounds super defensive when explaining that they're not getting defensive
Maybe the Spyfall game is still in my head, but let's Vote: Hapi
This is just Doc being Doc.Fair. To go along with this, I'll change my vote to ExLight.
saying I'm a turret for commenting basic balance and slapping a vote on me over stupid semantics seems like a really aggressive approach if anythingWait was this in regards to Aragonn trying to explain things or Fiji's vote for you?
feels like someone looking for a scapegoat and picking the high poster just because they stand out and are more likely to trigger discussions
How do you drop out of the game? I'm not about to put effort into this. I've already missed 6 pages of conversation and I still don't understand the rules of *regular* werewolf, let alone this.I'm sorry to see you go, but I respect your descision. You're free to go, I'll reassign your role. Thanks for letting me know!
How do you drop out of the game? I'm not about to put effort into this. I've already missed 6 pages of conversation and I still don't understand the rules of *regular* werewolf, let alone this.I also respect that decision. We'll see you around elsewhere <3
I mean. Why sign up than? ???because I almost never get involved in cultural things here and I thought it might be fun, but I bit off more than I could chew
Oh well. *shrugs*
Welcome to Werewolf. This is what people do. I don't like it, and I keep questioning why I'm coming back.is this directed towards Kat or me
I didn't quote Katie, so it's directed at you.Welcome to Werewolf. This is what people do. I don't like it, and I keep questioning why I'm coming back.is this directed towards Kat or me
hey, you're the one that kinda started itI didn't quote Katie, so it's directed at you.Welcome to Werewolf. This is what people do. I don't like it, and I keep questioning why I'm coming back.is this directed towards Kat or me
Oh, well, this is getting out of hand.
I'm basically a 3-shot doctor, and my abilities include double voting or protecting two people in the same night.
Oh, well, this is getting out of hand.
I'm basically a 3-shot doctor, and my abilities include double voting or protecting two people in the same night.
maybe if I do like this people won't use the excuse that they missed my claim hmmm
Your aggressive attitude and ego honestly just make me want to lynch you more just to remove you from this game to be honest.How is was my attitude aggressive? His actions towards me pinged me as unnatural and offensive, am I supposed to not bite back if I consider the chance of him being scum slightly higher than any other players?
Use that against me I honestly don't care but this is obnoxious.
Your aggressive attitude and ego honestly just make me want to lynch you more just to remove you from this game to be honest.I second this. I'm assuming ExLight is telling the truth, but the general unfriendliness and defensiveness is not worth keeping him around as a villager at this point.
And I have no idea where "ego" is coming from.
My wagon exploding while I was busy sleeping in my sofa while approaching mid-late Day Phase, with most votes being sheeping basically, isn't natural at all. I'm fine with lynching anyone that is in it at this point.
Just dropping a few other points in my defense, but other points for scum going after me include: Easy lynch target for being a stranger in this community; me being considered a strong player since I'm joining the Champs as a sub this year; and me "softing" a power role, which wasn't really a soft but after the role baiting Aragonn threw kinda might've convinced scum, so who knows :shrugs:, unfortunately he was right and I do have a moderately strong role.
me being considered a strong player since I'm joining the Champs as a sub this year
Yes, I'm usually kept as lynch bait, but surprisingly I have never been mislynched as town outside D1, so basically once you trust me there isn't much regret.Your aggressive attitude and ego honestly just make me want to lynch you more just to remove you from this game to be honest.I second this. I'm assuming ExLight is telling the truth, but the general unfriendliness and defensiveness is not worth keeping him around as a villager at this point.
People will accuse you unfairly of being a werewolf all the time in this game. Calling the rest of us "sheep" for it and taking the accusation personally is toxic.
Your aggressive attitude and ego honestly just make me want to lynch you more just to remove you from this game to be honest.I second this. I'm assuming ExLight is telling the truth, but the general unfriendliness and defensiveness is not worth keeping him around as a villager at this point.
People will accuse you unfairly of being a werewolf all the time in this game. Calling the rest of us "sheep" for it and taking the accusation personally is toxic.
Look, English isn't my native language and people often tell me I sound aggressive or confusing; I'm not sure what yall reading my messages like, but I'm just trying to start discussions here and I assure you being hostile wasn't my intention.
I have no meta about any of you to work with, and I have no way of telling whether or not that is Aragonn's usual playstyle; and it kinda baffles me that this is being ignored.
And I would really appreciate if people talked back to me to help me understand why I'm being treated like this instead of patting each other on their back over my lynch and ignoring my attempts of approaching the game. Just because I'm not from this community doesn't mean I should be shadowed like I'm being right now.
You remind me of the people in Town of Salem who spam chat to lynch one randomly selected person as soon as they are able than get super upset when town turns on them.You're free to interpret it this way, but answering your points:
You've repeatedly called out Aragonn even though
A. He was genuinely trying to be helpful
B. Almost everyone has stated this is how Aragonn always plays
C. From context I can gather this exact situation involving the same player has already played out before.
Yet you won't stop incessently calling him out and throw a fit anytime anyone thinks that might seem a wee bit sus eh?
The Champs is the largest mafia event; think of it as it being like the World Cup of mafia or someshit. It's not ego, people fear Laurentus and Funnier due to them being in it last year, I'm not sure why scum couldn't be paranoid about me since I'm also a potential player this year.QuoteAnd I have no idea where "ego" is coming from.
Mainly.
This.
Whole.
Thing.
But specifically this part.Quoteme being considered a strong player since I'm joining the Champs as a sub this yearNow maybe that's true. I don't know what championships is or who you are and I certainly don't know if your a strong player or not but using it as your defense to me reeks of ego ;)
I feel like many people have repeatedly engaged you and you've mainly ignored them and continued attackimg Aragonn.Again, I feel like this is ignoring the order of events
Let's put it this way ExLight, nothing Aragonn is doing right now is out of the ordinary. You are right, you don't know how members here play. He seemed the most suspicious to you, so you went after him. We tried to tell you he's playing normally, but it was well after your initial attacks. You are right, we are ignoring the order of events. At this point it's turned into attacks that are taken as personal, regardless of the intent. I need to stress this, Aragonn is playing normally. It should have no bearing on your reasoning. Now that you know that, I hope you'll rethink your thought process. I'll extend an olive branch (since it is my belief your attacks and later, defensiveness, are reasonable) and remove my vote from ExLight. I will still Vote: Press the button.someone willing to give me a chance
Your aggressive attitude and ego honestly just make me want to lynch you more just to remove you from this game to be honest.I second this. I'm assuming ExLight is telling the truth, but the general unfriendliness and defensiveness is not worth keeping him around as a villager at this point.
People will accuse you unfairly of being a werewolf all the time in this game. Calling the rest of us "sheep" for it and taking the accusation personally is toxic.
Wow, this is an OMGUS vote if ever I've seen one.
We have people straight up saying they believe Ex's claim, and yet they wanna lynch him.
Guys, you're not going to get along with every player you come across, but come on, can we please stop personally attacking Ex?
Sheeping is a legit Werewolf term. Getting offended at it is as good as getting offended at being called scum, when really the person calling you that just means they think you're a Wolf.
Please, this is a game about lying and confrontation, but can we at least keep it civil?
This kinda looks like two townies who tunneled in on each other, going off what I know of Ara's meta.
Maybe all this is normal in Werewolf. This is my first game but I've truly been bothered by a lot of the reaction in this game so far.o
Wow, this is an OMGUS vote if ever I've seen one.
We have people straight up saying they believe Ex's claim, and yet they wanna lynch him.
Guys, you're not going to get along with every player you come across, but come on, can we please stop personally attacking Ex?
Sheeping is a legit Werewolf term. Getting offended at it is as good as getting offended at being called scum, when really the person calling you that just means they think you're a Wolf.
Please, this is a game about lying and confrontation, but can we at least keep it civil?
This kinda looks like two townies who tunneled in on each other, going off what I know of Ara's meta.
A. I've in fact never claimed that I believed them I voted then because I find their actions to be the most suspicious
B. I'm overly honest. Sorry if it seems somehow like an attack its not. I legit feel like they have approached this game with aggression and hostility from the start and it LEGIT bothers me.
C. I have more than once explained my reasoning. They haven't satisfied me with their reasoning.
D. I don't feel I've been uncivil here.
Maybe all this is normal in Werewolf. This is my first game but I've truly been bothered by a lot of the reaction in this game so far.
Wow, this is an OMGUS vote if ever I've seen one.
We have people straight up saying they believe Ex's claim, and yet they wanna lynch him.
Guys, you're not going to get along with every player you come across, but come on, can we please stop personally attacking Ex?
Sheeping is a legit Werewolf term. Getting offended at it is as good as getting offended at being called scum, when really the person calling you that just means they think you're a Wolf.
Please, this is a game about lying and confrontation, but can we at least keep it civil?
This kinda looks like two townies who tunneled in on each other, going off what I know of Ara's meta.
A. I've in fact never claimed that I believed them I voted then because I find their actions to be the most suspicious
B. I'm overly honest. Sorry if it seems somehow like an attack its not. I legit feel like they have approached this game with aggression and hostility from the start and it LEGIT bothers me.
C. I have more than once explained my reasoning. They haven't satisfied me with their reasoning.
D. I don't feel I've been uncivil here.
Maybe all this is normal in Werewolf. This is my first game but I've truly been bothered by a lot of the reaction in this game so far.
You've called him arrogant. A few times. And yet you don't know him.
Honestly, as a new party to the whole thing that went down, you were being far more toxic and aggressive than Ex was.
"Mainly.
This.
Whole.
Thing"
"Your aggressive attitude and ego honestly just make me want to lynch you more just to remove you from this game to be honest."
In what world is that not downright rude and aggressive?
Also, I was quoting Barnes' sheep vote as the one where a dude just straight up says he believed Ex's claim, yet wants to lynch them anyway.
But yeah, way too aggressive a push to make me think Hapi is a Wolf. I would certainly not have been this bold in my first game, if I rolled scum.
I'll just stop posting now though till next phase.nononono
Arguments like this make me not want to play this game.
I don't even know any more.By jargon do you mean my choice of words or the use of terms like sheeping
You're right, Lau, my reasoning is illogical. But I wanted to keep it civil, and in my eyes Ex was not being civil. I want to preserve our numbers as well, but in the moment it felt like at too great a cost. Arguments like this make me not want to play this game.
I'll admit it's also my first game in a couple of years, and the jargon intimidates me, which furthered my thoughts of Ex being aggressive.
By jargon do you mean my choice of words or the use of terms like sheepingAny game-technical terms like "scum", "omgus", "meta info", "townleaning", etc. It just makes it feel like you guys are all acting too experienced at the game, and almost ruins the fun of being a casual player.
Haha, I had to learn these terms in a goddamned championship game last year, and I spent the first day phase confused and overwhelmed af. I sympathise.I'm honestly just going to google the terms from now on, but I've always been of the opinion that relying on jargon (for any application) makes games/concepts less accessible.
To all newer players, please, don't be ashamed to ask what certain terms mean, and also don't be afraid to use the website I've linked to a few times by now. It will help you immensely.
No harm done, everyone. This is a game where a lot of people will poke and prod you to see how you react, and it can get heated. Let's just move on and forget this thing happened.
Fierce friendships can be formed in this game, like my friendly rivalry with Sapph. Just remember that this is a game, when all is said and done, and the objective is for 6 people here to literally lie, deceive and turn us against each other. In such an environment, there is no room to take things personally.
Last game was 15 pages TOTALHow many players was that game? :o
On a side note, 10 pages on the first day? Last game was 15 pages TOTAL, we’re already 2/3 of the way there :))
14, if my count is correct.Last game was 15 pages TOTALHow many players was that game? :o
WHAT?! I’m gonna have to go read that.On a side note, 10 pages on the first day? Last game was 15 pages TOTAL, we’re already 2/3 of the way there :))
At this rate, beating VI's record of 100 pages will be cake.
Just popping in real quick to find out when exactly is day ending againin about 23h iirc
Also this is a pretty good example of how too many new players at once is quite dangerous. 1-2 yeah sure but then you get situation like this where half the game has a crisis
I've had a super long day and I'm kind of in the middle of dying so I'll be back at some point before eod whenever that is
Good luck, day one starts with this thread, meaning day one will end on April 26th at 7pm EST.
At this rate, beating VI's record of 100 pages will be cake.I actually think I was part of that one. Good times! I think that one had 15-20 players or so? Or at least the one I participated in was about that size, if I remember.
@Pengu
I'm actually interested about what you think of the game so far
what are your opinion on some of the active players
and are there any players that are way more inactive than usual
since you're the moderator of this subforum I'm assuming you keep up/play a lot, so you prolly have some nice meta to shareJust popping in real quick to find out when exactly is day ending againin about 23h iirc
Also this is a pretty good example of how too many new players at once is quite dangerous. 1-2 yeah sure but then you get situation like this where half the game has a crisis
I've had a super long day and I'm kind of in the middle of dying so I'll be back at some point before eod whenever that is
Civil discord?
Look, English isn't my native language and people often tell me I sound aggressive or confusing; I'm not sure what yall reading my messages like, but I'm just trying to start discussions here and I assure you being hostile wasn't my intention.1. They came off really unnecessarily aggressive.
I have no meta about any of you to work with, and I have no way of telling whether or not that is Aragonn's usual playstyle; and it kinda baffles me that this is being ignored.
And I would really appreciate if people talked back to me to help me understand why I'm being treated like this instead of patting each other on their back over my lynch and ignoring my attempts of approaching the game. Just because I'm not from this community doesn't mean I should be shadowed like I'm being right now.Yes, I'm usually kept as lynch bait, but surprisingly I have never been mislynched as town outside D1, so basically once you trust me there isn't much regret.Your aggressive attitude and ego honestly just make me want to lynch you more just to remove you from this game to be honest.I second this. I'm assuming ExLight is telling the truth, but the general unfriendliness and defensiveness is not worth keeping him around as a villager at this point.
People will accuse you unfairly of being a werewolf all the time in this game. Calling the rest of us "sheep" for it and taking the accusation personally is toxic.
Can you elaborate on why me calling votes I feel like are unjustified "sheeping" is toxic to you? It's literally the term I've always seem being used for it, and it in no way attacks you all on a personal level.
If you're assuming I'm telling the truth you shouldn't be wanting my lynch, so this comes off as quite weird to me.
3. It feels like the role claim was a subtle lie supposed to make people change their votes, and when it didn't work, they wanted to bring it back into the conversation so they used an excuse in the quote above.Oh, well, this is getting out of hand.
I'm basically a 3-shot doctor, and my abilities include double voting or protecting two people in the same night.
maybe if I do like this people won't use the excuse that they missed my claim hmmm
I literally did that before any of my other voters appeared in-thread. There wasn't even time for it to "Not work out" lol.3. It feels like the role claim was a subtle lie supposed to make people change their votes, and when it didn't work, they wanted to bring it back into the conversation so they used an excuse in the quote above.Oh, well, this is getting out of hand.
I'm basically a 3-shot doctor, and my abilities include double voting or protecting two people in the same night.
maybe if I do like this people won't use the excuse that they missed my claim hmmm
I'll not push the button still and vote @Mathyland just to get them more active.
Not sure what being aggressive/kind has to do with being either town or mafia. If anything pocketing (being way too kind to others to get their trust) is a much more usual approach for scum than just slugging some harsh commentaries that draw attention to them.The guide to Werewolf terms was only recently posted so I hope you can forgive ignorance there. Also in the games here, town roles have been frequently lynched so while revealing can make you less suspicious when believed, it might be even more risky than usual because of the tendency for scum to eliminate important roles or not have to eliminate them because of the town.I literally did that before any of my other voters appeared in-thread. There wasn't even time for it to "Not work out" lol.3. It feels like the role claim was a subtle lie supposed to make people change their votes, and when it didn't work, they wanted to bring it back into the conversation so they used an excuse in the quote above.Oh, well, this is getting out of hand.
I'm basically a 3-shot doctor, and my abilities include double voting or protecting two people in the same night.
maybe if I do like this people won't use the excuse that they missed my claim hmmm
And as I said in the very post, I did it so people wouldn't miss the claim since it's a 30p game and I was expecting it to get hidden under a mountain of posts. The fact we already got 3 pages after the claim kinda proves it was a good reason to.
And why wouldn't I make sure to voice it out loud? Doctor is one of the most important roles in the mid-end game and I don't want my team to lose it D1.
Not sure what being aggressive/kind has to do with being either town or mafia. If anything pocketing (being way too kind to others to get their trust) is a much more usual approach for scum than just slugging some harsh commentaries that draw attention to them.I literally did that before any of my other voters appeared in-thread. There wasn't even time for it to "Not work out" lol.3. It feels like the role claim was a subtle lie supposed to make people change their votes, and when it didn't work, they wanted to bring it back into the conversation so they used an excuse in the quote above.Oh, well, this is getting out of hand.
I'm basically a 3-shot doctor, and my abilities include double voting or protecting two people in the same night.
maybe if I do like this people won't use the excuse that they missed my claim hmmm
And as I said in the very post, I did it so people wouldn't miss the claim since it's a 30p game and I was expecting it to get hidden under a mountain of posts. The fact we already got 3 pages after the claim kinda proves it was a good reason to.
And why wouldn't I make sure to voice it out loud? Doctor is one of the most important roles in the mid-end game and I don't want my team to lose it D1.
I'm saying it's susp for you to change your mentality from aggressive to kind.I can self target and I'm hoping something like a Watcher will help me prevent dying until later in the game because that's the common sense play.
If you are doctor, you would just die to turrets on N1 or 2 depending on if there is a defender so it doesn't make sense for you to say this.
Overall, your defense just seems really wishy washy and suspicious.
I see Red Mones has forgotten about Werewolf XV where Barnes was a defender and Red Mones was a villager until Barnes got sabotaged by a saboteur (the wolf in that game).Oh hai :D
I am quite worried about the possible effects of the button because it is random: that is why I have not and am still not going to push the button.Agreed, I don't want a time of confusion to be a time when even more goes up in the air.
I'm going to Remove my vote for Exlight because if they are telling the truth, I don't want to mislynch such an important role.
I see Red Mones has forgotten about Werewolf XV where Barnes was a defender and Red Mones was a villager until Barnes got sabotaged by a saboteur (the wolf in that game).Yeah i did forget about that one. That was back in 2018. Dern, It’s been awhile.
I'm a bit lost with the role names cultural difference
what's a defender is it like a roleblocker or
Finally caught up to the end. After going inactive to avoid throwing more fuel on the flame, I'm all caught up again. I never did peg Ex as scum, but I didn't appreciate the backlash I took from trying to help clarify things either. I do disavow the votes cast against him and hope that we can find a much better target.
Also, not lynching can give some info that could really help(Historically, every time we've done that, the scum have murdered someone completely unrelated to anyone who came up in the past day, meaning we have no new information and one more dead person.
I'm going to change my vote to Doc since I don't want to use my no-lynch. I know his actions are usual for the course, but since everyone's been acting on par, there's not much to go off of besides being the first person I was suspicious of.(TIT FOR TAT CONTINUES THEN)
Observation: a shot in the metaphorical dark is certainly better odds (1/5) than the inevitable shot in the literal dark that will come when the day ends (0/24).(I should amend this to reflect that there are an indeterminate number of doctor, or as Wintreath calls it, defender roles, in the game. There is always the X/30 chance that the defender(s) guess right and pick the 1 target getting shot. But it's not great odds.)
This happens with every game where there are new people. Someone usually makes an oof, I correct it, and then people sheep.Yeah, I see this a lot when hosting too. The new person does something different than the players usually do, they get corrected, and then that newness becomes a suspicious trait. I've rarely seen new players to the game last very long because they get turned on super quick because of that newness.
@ExLight and @Minish, you know Funnier far better than me, so would you care to comment?I always have a hard time reading funnier, but yea, I also feel that either he's lacking the motivation or he's kinda lurking around for some reason. Minish can read him a lot better than me though, so I trust her judgment better than my own.
And I'm not sure about Red Mones' actions there. He changed his tune fairly quickly after Ex role claimedHis role claim actually had no effect on my decision.
and he jumped on that band wagon very quickly, but out of everyone on the wagon, he was the most experienced, and that is kinda a double-edged sword.Me? Experienced? :P
He should not have been on that wagon, but 2. Removing his vote so quickly could either be that experience kicking back in again and letting his calmer head prevail.Yup, pretty much it. If you notice in the past my play style is mostly waiting until the end of phases and jumping on wagons against the popular choice. This happened last game with Aragonn but experience kicked in and I rescinded my vote. I flip flopped all over the place after that, which people inferred from that that 1 i was not a power role, 2 prob not a wolf because i was drawing too much attention and obviously wasnt following a pattern and im not nearly good enough to pull of that kind of deception. Both were correct i was just regular village. What happened this game was similar, ex pushed hard against aragonn for something dumb, but i realized he wouldnt know (i remembered mentioning aragonns play was normal but the exact time was hazy) so when they mentioned we’re ignoring order of events i read through the relevant parts and noticed the timeline exs initial push>my vote post mentioning aragonn is normal>hapi and ex’s back and forth so I realized he was right. Also things were getting a little OOC so i wanted it to calm down a little. ALSO ex is experienced so i don’t think they woyld call attention to themselves like that? But also they just might so wed assume they were ‘t scum but idk. I’ve probably made a ton of errors cuz im on mobile which freking sucks for these kind of posts also im tired and about to go to bed heh
Also remember guys according to rule four you can simply nit vote so you guys trying to vote random to save your no lynch dont need to
ALSO ex is experienced so i don’t think they woyld call attention to themselves like that?lmfao where's funnier and min, they're gonna laugh
ALSO ex is experienced so i don’t think they woyld call attention to themselves like that?lmfao where's funnier and min, they're gonna laugh
I'm not experienced tho, I started playing last year which is not much considering quite a few players I met have been playing for like six years or more under their belt
and I'm a magnet of attention because I'm noisy and annoying and hyperactive and lack common sense, it's not really alignment related
Also, typically not voting at all doesn't count for a no lynch. You usually specifically vote for a no lynch and it has to reach majority. So y'all don't have to random vote to no lynch.
When the inactivity rule is by posts and not votes, a vote is not necessarily necessary. Here we're used to votes being required, so this concept might seem weird, but I remember being surprised by seeing very active posters not vote in the Mafia Championships game that Laurentus was in and it not being questioned. (This does not mean that no lynches happen of course, most people vote, and maybe this sort of game style might require that most people still vote and, of course, be reasonably active.)Also remember guys according to rule four you can simply nit vote so you guys trying to vote random to save your no lynch dont need to
True, but choosing to just not vote, especially in a game that requires a minimum of 2 posts per day to ensure that you're a part of it, is incredibly suspicious. It'd be one thing if you accidentally missed a day, but when you're required to post to ensure activity, it just comes off as odd that you wouldn't vote just to avoid using your "No Lynch" vote.
Also, typically not voting at all doesn't count for a no lynch. You usually specifically vote for a no lynch and it has to reach majority. So y'all don't have to random vote to no lynch.The fact that No Lynch, abstention, and random vote are being framed this way, I think, might just be because they were framed that way in this game's rules (and also because vote requirements are historically common in Wintreath Werewolf), so people are looking at them as alternatives to one another.
I'm not experienced tho, I started playing last year which is not much considering quite a few players I met have been playing for like six years or more under their beltCompared to the rest of us that's probably far more experience. Like, I've been around for several years in Wintreath but we're not a Mafia-specific forum so the rate at which games are run, as well as the level of play in said games, might be far less, I think.
I'm not seeing what not having the role list available has to do with anythingY'all I haven't been able to get through reading my pm or the OP without my eyes glazing over and idk when I'm gonna have the strength to push throughOof, 6 wolves??You sound like someone who rolled scum.Indeed, and since the Wolves are at a numbers disadvantage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have extra abilities to help compensate.As though in any other situation it would not be vital hm
This game ihttps://wintreath.com/forums/Smileys/newdefault/azn.gifs going to be insane. Team work is going to be absolutely vital.
I hardly would call this any more a numbers disadvantage than there always is, 30 players can cause so much chaos it would be almost miraculous to lynch scum when you have six people who obviously don't want you to do that. Without regard to roles a 6 player team is quite big enough to do whatever the heck they want just from how easy it is subtly poke things in the direction they want them to go, while the rest of us may be unfortunately paranoid and wishy washy which happens in these kinds of situationsPor que no los dos?Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already :))
We're not used to playing games here where the roles list is not available, and we have many people playing for the first time, so yeah, team work is going to be much more vital than it usually is.
Haha, answering in a different language is a scum slip for you? I will keep that in mind, but I suppose scum!Funnier will not be repeating such an act now that they've let the entire world know what it is.
And fair enough, with so many new players added on top of it, this is likely to produce a very paranoid town.
@funnier6, you can put the entire quote in a spoiler.That doesnt have anything to do with what I asked?
Vanilla is considered a role dude, though Silv has said we all have abilitiesI see in the OP where everyone got a PM with abilities, but I don't see anything that says everyone has a role. Sure, you could say that a regular core is a role, but when I'm talking about roles I'm talking about the special roles like seer, defender, and wolf. Absolutely nothing says everyone got one of those. Hence why I said secrecy is prudent.afik everyone received role pm, I don't see why me confirming that I have one is of any relevanceconfirming I got the role PM here cuz I have no idea where I'm supposed toI would've replied to the PM instead of blurting to everyone that I got a role. Some things are better left secret.
lesgo
Vote: Aragonn
Really don't like your attitude trying to throw shade
I'm not throwing shade. But if that's how you wish to perceive it, you're free to do so.
??? Why wouldn't he just like, do that in scum chat?This seems an awful lot like a turret complaining about the number of turrets.For similar reasons I vote Doc. Mathing up the turrets strategy right off the bat sounds like he’s trying to compute an advantage for himself under the guise of being helpful.
I don't know, Doc is pretty consistent with his play-style IMO. He does that every game, regardless of alignment.
I'm with Red Mones. This is just Doc being Doc.Since you two are so knowledgeable would you mind giving me a short summary of your mafia experience and who've you've played with and whats normal for them and maybe talk about yourselves too
I'm really worried about this button.Laur gets it
I am VERY WORRIED about this button.Cant tell if sarcasm or serious
What else would it be called besides role pm??this is just poor semantics at this pointI see in the OP where everyone got a PM with abilities, but I don't see anything that says everyone has a role. Sure, you could say that a regular core is a role, but when I'm talking about roles I'm talking about the special roles like seer, defender, and wolf. Absolutely nothing says everyone got one of those. Hence why I said secrecy is prudent.afik everyone received role pm, I don't see why me confirming that I have one is of any relevanceconfirming I got the role PM here cuz I have no idea where I'm supposed toI would've replied to the PM instead of blurting to everyone that I got a role. Some things are better left secret.
lesgo
Vote: Aragonn
Really don't like your attitude trying to throw shade
I'm not throwing shade. But if that's how you wish to perceive it, you're free to do so.
Even if I am vanilla I'd call it role pm because that's how I am used to
I dont really see why you're wanting to flip the table with more mechanics nonsense instead of trying to get a handle of who like 25 of these people are. Like, priorities?Bad Minish! No push button push button bad I DO NOT NEED MORE COMPLICATIONS I'm still working my way through figuring out my role PM and I still havent finished the OP and I need you to be town so you'd better be town cause I dont want to trust this to anyone elseA vote for yourself counts as a vote for “No Lynch”.
Oh thank god. I need to steal this rule.
Btw, is there an easy way to multi-quote and/or only quote small sections of a post?
The mechanics of this game are interesting and there's a lot going on so probably fairly confusing. Which is going to be hell trying to juggle crazy mechanics and not knowing most of y'all's meta.
It seems there's not currently a status in effect? I'm down for pushing the button and seeing what happens. This mechanic seems similar to a planeswalking mechanic that occured in a MtG game a few of us here played in. And in that game, the effects of the plane had potential for outting scum if played right, so maybe we'll get some info like that from status effects in this game.
Vote: Push the Button
Hey, I've already read my PM and the OP and understand it about the best I'm going to right now without actually getting to the mechanics of the game.
We have 72 hours this first day. Pushing the button early allows us more time to figure out just how effects work and discuss them. I don't wanna wait til eod or d2 to do it when we have even less time.
Push the button.
Aside from that I'm just gonna Vote: Barnes because I enjoy tit-for-tat.
Of course I read through my PM I just didnt understand it at all (I think I understand it now but it doesnt really matter) I did get around to reading the button effects listed in the OP and they were...weird and I'm not looking forward to trying to juggle that, a game of this magnitude really does not need added complications (no offense Silv, its cool and all but it's a huge headache) I just feel like its a big distraction when talking about each other and reads is a much better way to go. Also why do you ask?That's actually a good point.Minish's qouteBad Minish! No push button push button bad I DO NOT NEED MORE COMPLICATIONS I'm still working my way through figuring out my role PM and I still havent finished the OP and I need you to be town so you'd better be town cause I dont want to trust this to anyone elseA vote for yourself counts as a vote for “No Lynch”.
Oh thank god. I need to steal this rule.
Btw, is there an easy way to multi-quote and/or only quote small sections of a post?
The mechanics of this game are interesting and there's a lot going on so probably fairly confusing. Which is going to be hell trying to juggle crazy mechanics and not knowing most of y'all's meta.
It seems there's not currently a status in effect? I'm down for pushing the button and seeing what happens. This mechanic seems similar to a planeswalking mechanic that occured in a MtG game a few of us here played in. And in that game, the effects of the plane had potential for outting scum if played right, so maybe we'll get some info like that from status effects in this game.
Vote: Push the Button
Hey, I've already read my PM and the OP and understand it about the best I'm going to right now without actually getting to the mechanics of the game.
We have 72 hours this first day. Pushing the button early allows us more time to figure out just how effects work and discuss them. I don't wanna wait til eod or d2 to do it when we have even less time.
@Ruguo, I'd like to clarify something: does voting to push the button count as a separate vote to the one for the lynch? Because I wanna start pushing some folks, but I also wanna push the button.
... And while typing Funnier has since posted. Have you managed to read through the OP and your PM yet?
... And Kane posted just as I was about to post, again. >:(
Although that's true, I don't want Mathy lurking.
I'm going to focus my attention on @Aragonn for now, though: why exactly are you this defensive? I know from the last game that it's par for the course for you to get very defensive when falsely accused, but not by complete strangers like Ex.
By the way Ruguo, when will inactive players be replaced? At the end of D1, N1 or D2?End of D2. They get a stern warning end of D1.
I'm going to vote ExLight.Hi person with a Spanish name and a cute dog avatar, the thing is when you vote someone its common courtesy (read:common sense) to give reasons for doing so what are they please thank : )
I don't really see how this true since from what I understand people were helping you understand the rules not the other way aroundI'm going to focus my attention on @Aragonn for now, though: why exactly are you this defensive? I know from the last game that it's par for the course for you to get very defensive when falsely accused, but not by complete strangers like Ex.I'm not getting defensive. I was simply trying to help people understand the rules. Why everyone is jumping on me for it, I don't know.
I never said anything about the effects helping scum? I think you realize that I'm saying the concept of this big complicated distraction in the middle of the game is what I dont want helping scum, not its effectsor OR we could just not press button and try to solve game with what we have mhm mkay thx
Also the effects are literally listed?
There's 30 people here. If some effect helps out scum, I'm all for it.
Also the effects are listed, but it seems roles also have different effects depending on the area. So that's what I was talking about. It's like our colors working with planes in MtG.Although that's true, I don't want Mathy lurking.
Any reason why you and Kane called him out specifically for lurking?I'm going to vote ExLight.
Is this serious or a RVS vote?
Mathy's a good player, so he's more useful to Town if he doesn't lurk and, if scum, better for Town if he's given no room to hide. He's not incredibly active at the moment, though, so his inactivity is NAI.I fail to see how the first sentence applies to this person especially and not literally every player who lurks
Oh, for the uninitiated: these acronyms we're using are explained here. Whenever someone uses something like RVS or NAI, make sure to check this out if you don't know what we're talking about: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commonly_Used_Abbreviations
I'm not seeing what not having the role list available has to do with anythingY'all I haven't been able to get through reading my pm or the OP without my eyes glazing over and idk when I'm gonna have the strength to push throughOof, 6 wolves??You sound like someone who rolled scum.Indeed, and since the Wolves are at a numbers disadvantage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have extra abilities to help compensate.As though in any other situation it would not be vital hm
This game ihttps://wintreath.com/forums/Smileys/newdefault/azn.gifs going to be insane. Team work is going to be absolutely vital.
I hardly would call this any more a numbers disadvantage than there always is, 30 players can cause so much chaos it would be almost miraculous to lynch scum when you have six people who obviously don't want you to do that. Without regard to roles a 6 player team is quite big enough to do whatever the heck they want just from how easy it is subtly poke things in the direction they want them to go, while the rest of us may be unfortunately paranoid and wishy washy which happens in these kinds of situationsPor que no los dos?Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already :))
We're not used to playing games here where the roles list is not available, and we have many people playing for the first time, so yeah, team work is going to be much more vital than it usually is.
Haha, answering in a different language is a scum slip for you? I will keep that in mind, but I suppose scum!Funnier will not be repeating such an act now that they've let the entire world know what it is.
And fair enough, with so many new players added on top of it, this is likely to produce a very paranoid town.@funnier6, you can put the entire quote in a spoiler.That doesnt have anything to do with what I asked?
I never said anything about the effects helping scum? I think you realize that I'm saying the concept of this big complicated distraction in the middle of the game is what I dont want helping scum, not its effectsor OR we could just not press button and try to solve game with what we have mhm mkay thx
Also the effects are literally listed?
There's 30 people here. If some effect helps out scum, I'm all for it.
Also the effects are listed, but it seems roles also have different effects depending on the area. So that's what I was talking about. It's like our colors working with planes in MtG.Although that's true, I don't want Mathy lurking.
Any reason why you and Kane called him out specifically for lurking?I'm going to vote ExLight.
Is this serious or a RVS vote?Mathy's a good player, so he's more useful to Town if he doesn't lurk and, if scum, better for Town if he's given no room to hide. He's not incredibly active at the moment, though, so his inactivity is NAI.I fail to see how the first sentence applies to this person especially and not literally every player who lurks
Oh, for the uninitiated: these acronyms we're using are explained here. Whenever someone uses something like RVS or NAI, make sure to check this out if you don't know what we're talking about: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commonly_Used_Abbreviations
Sorry I was late to this, I have no idea what I'm doing so I'll just Push the button I guess.You could maybe like, ask some ideas for what you're supposed to be doing? Look at what other people are doing? You understand the core concept is to find and lynch the six of us who are scum?
I think y'all need a lesson on what attacking is cause pinging someone and asking them to explain their behavior isn't attacking by any stretch of the imaginationI'm going to focus my attention on @Aragonn for now, though: why exactly are you this defensive? I know from the last game that it's par for the course for you to get very defensive when falsely accused, but not by complete strangers like Ex.Isn't attacking Aragonn for being defensive what got you in trouble last game? I know it's the first turn and all, but it looks like he simply wasn't aware that everyone got a PM. It goes without saying that I find this suspicious, as well as ExLight's quick vote for Aragonn and Fiji's vote for ExLight for no stated reason. I'm going to wait another day before voting though...hopefully the players who haven't posted yet will start contributing and that'll give us something more to go on.
Also, I'm kinda meh on pushing the button...not sure I'm ready to add effects on top of everything else so soon in the game. ;-;
Of course I read through my PM I just didnt understand it at all (I think I understand it now but it doesnt really matter) I did get around to reading the button effects listed in the OP and they were...weird and I'm not looking forward to trying to juggle that, a game of this magnitude really does not need added complications (no offense Silv, its cool and all but it's a huge headache) I just feel like its a big distraction when talking about each other and reads is a much better way to go. Also why do you ask?That's actually a good point.Minish's qouteBad Minish! No push button push button bad I DO NOT NEED MORE COMPLICATIONS I'm still working my way through figuring out my role PM and I still havent finished the OP and I need you to be town so you'd better be town cause I dont want to trust this to anyone elseA vote for yourself counts as a vote for “No Lynch”.
Oh thank god. I need to steal this rule.
Btw, is there an easy way to multi-quote and/or only quote small sections of a post?
The mechanics of this game are interesting and there's a lot going on so probably fairly confusing. Which is going to be hell trying to juggle crazy mechanics and not knowing most of y'all's meta.
It seems there's not currently a status in effect? I'm down for pushing the button and seeing what happens. This mechanic seems similar to a planeswalking mechanic that occured in a MtG game a few of us here played in. And in that game, the effects of the plane had potential for outting scum if played right, so maybe we'll get some info like that from status effects in this game.
Vote: Push the Button
Hey, I've already read my PM and the OP and understand it about the best I'm going to right now without actually getting to the mechanics of the game.
We have 72 hours this first day. Pushing the button early allows us more time to figure out just how effects work and discuss them. I don't wanna wait til eod or d2 to do it when we have even less time.
@Ruguo, I'd like to clarify something: does voting to push the button count as a separate vote to the one for the lynch? Because I wanna start pushing some folks, but I also wanna push the button.
... And while typing Funnier has since posted. Have you managed to read through the OP and your PM yet?
... And Kane posted just as I was about to post, again. >:(
Although that's true, I don't want Mathy lurking.
I'm going to focus my attention on @Aragonn for now, though: why exactly are you this defensive? I know from the last game that it's par for the course for you to get very defensive when falsely accused, but not by complete strangers like Ex.
Do you typically make additions to your posts every time someone posts while youre typing? I also dont really like the way you phrased the Aragonn stuff, it feels less like, "Whats the deal man, I dont get why you had this reaction to Ex" and more like 'wow everyone sure this behavior from Aragonn sure is weird lets all think about scum reading it"
I dont know if that gets my point across but it feels less like youre talking to him and more like youre talking to us with the "I'm going to focus my attention on" line. That sort of indirect language doesnt sit right with me, especially since I dont think youre voting him and you generally want to actually be focusing attention on whoever youre voting
WHY on earth would you host an exact replica with that setup from hell aaaaaaaaaaaaaI'm not seeing what not having the role list available has to do with anythingY'all I haven't been able to get through reading my pm or the OP without my eyes glazing over and idk when I'm gonna have the strength to push throughOof, 6 wolves??You sound like someone who rolled scum.Indeed, and since the Wolves are at a numbers disadvantage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have extra abilities to help compensate.As though in any other situation it would not be vital hm
This game ihttps://wintreath.com/forums/Smileys/newdefault/azn.gifs going to be insane. Team work is going to be absolutely vital.
I hardly would call this any more a numbers disadvantage than there always is, 30 players can cause so much chaos it would be almost miraculous to lynch scum when you have six people who obviously don't want you to do that. Without regard to roles a 6 player team is quite big enough to do whatever the heck they want just from how easy it is subtly poke things in the direction they want them to go, while the rest of us may be unfortunately paranoid and wishy washy which happens in these kinds of situationsPor que no los dos?Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already :))
We're not used to playing games here where the roles list is not available, and we have many people playing for the first time, so yeah, team work is going to be much more vital than it usually is.
Haha, answering in a different language is a scum slip for you? I will keep that in mind, but I suppose scum!Funnier will not be repeating such an act now that they've let the entire world know what it is.
And fair enough, with so many new players added on top of it, this is likely to produce a very paranoid town.@funnier6, you can put the entire quote in a spoiler.That doesnt have anything to do with what I asked?
The fact that we don't have a roles list means we're going to have to discuss the possible roles amongst each other a lot and claim at optimal times, something we don't typically do around here. I hosted an exact replica of our MU game in December, and no one coordinated to figure out who was holding which ability.
WHY on earth would you host an exact replica with that setup from hell aaaaaaaaaaaaaI'm not seeing what not having the role list available has to do with anythingY'all I haven't been able to get through reading my pm or the OP without my eyes glazing over and idk when I'm gonna have the strength to push throughOof, 6 wolves??You sound like someone who rolled scum.Indeed, and since the Wolves are at a numbers disadvantage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have extra abilities to help compensate.As though in any other situation it would not be vital hm
This game ihttps://wintreath.com/forums/Smileys/newdefault/azn.gifs going to be insane. Team work is going to be absolutely vital.
I hardly would call this any more a numbers disadvantage than there always is, 30 players can cause so much chaos it would be almost miraculous to lynch scum when you have six people who obviously don't want you to do that. Without regard to roles a 6 player team is quite big enough to do whatever the heck they want just from how easy it is subtly poke things in the direction they want them to go, while the rest of us may be unfortunately paranoid and wishy washy which happens in these kinds of situationsPor que no los dos?Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already :))
We're not used to playing games here where the roles list is not available, and we have many people playing for the first time, so yeah, team work is going to be much more vital than it usually is.
Haha, answering in a different language is a scum slip for you? I will keep that in mind, but I suppose scum!Funnier will not be repeating such an act now that they've let the entire world know what it is.
And fair enough, with so many new players added on top of it, this is likely to produce a very paranoid town.@funnier6, you can put the entire quote in a spoiler.That doesnt have anything to do with what I asked?
The fact that we don't have a roles list means we're going to have to discuss the possible roles amongst each other a lot and claim at optimal times, something we don't typically do around here. I hosted an exact replica of our MU game in December, and no one coordinated to figure out who was holding which ability.
But regardless, I dont believe that night action coordination is a priority anyway, if circumstances drive certain people to claim and they want to coordinate with each other mkay, but trying to coordinate night actions in a game as huge and chaotic as this sounds like a huge mess regardless and I would rather each player do the best they can. We'd literally have to lose 18 town players to lose this game so I'm not really interested in it. Mass role claiming and and role coordination is something I prefer to be left to last ditch circumstances, which should be quite unnecessary in this game. Like, if you dont have super relevant information to claim or if youre not about to die I dont know why youre claiming. You know as well as I do that claims in general were a source of confusion and insanity in our game so I dont really see where youre coming from with this
At least the roles flip after death here right?
I feel like this is bit hypocritical being I dont recall you being particularly active and vocal yourselfI'll not push the button still and vote @Mathyland just to get them more active.
Actually, that's not a bad idea.
I'll Vote: @Katie to get her more active because she's normally a very vocal person.
30 players and the leading wagon so far has 2 votesYou're a high poster? ???
where yall :glare:I'm not getting defensive. I was simply trying to help people understand the rules. Why everyone is jumping on me for it, I don't know.Why do people always sounds super defensive when explaining that they're not getting defensive
saying I'm a turret for commenting basic balance and slapping a vote on me over stupid semantics seems like a really aggressive approach if anything
feels like someone looking for a scapegoat and picking the high poster just because they stand out and are more likely to trigger discussions
Except I didn't pin you for a turret nor did I vote for you despite you voting for me. Hmm... Maybe I'm not trying to attack you? No, that can't possibly be. This is Werewolf! Everyone attacks everyone all the time! Nobody actually tries to be helpful.I'm pretty sure you literally called him a turret and you're also getting simultaneously more defensive and aggressive the more you try to say you're not
I dont know about that, we can discuss it later, but I am opposed to anything thats going to be distracting, confusing, or unhelpful and the roles in this game are so insane that they easily fit the bill for all three of those and I'd just rather not deal with it unless absolutely necessary.quote chain from FunnierWHY on earth would you host an exact replica with that setup from hell aaaaaaaaaaaaaI'm not seeing what not having the role list available has to do with anythingY'all I haven't been able to get through reading my pm or the OP without my eyes glazing over and idk when I'm gonna have the strength to push throughOof, 6 wolves??You sound like someone who rolled scum.Indeed, and since the Wolves are at a numbers disadvantage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have extra abilities to help compensate.As though in any other situation it would not be vital hm
This game ihttps://wintreath.com/forums/Smileys/newdefault/azn.gifs going to be insane. Team work is going to be absolutely vital.
I hardly would call this any more a numbers disadvantage than there always is, 30 players can cause so much chaos it would be almost miraculous to lynch scum when you have six people who obviously don't want you to do that. Without regard to roles a 6 player team is quite big enough to do whatever the heck they want just from how easy it is subtly poke things in the direction they want them to go, while the rest of us may be unfortunately paranoid and wishy washy which happens in these kinds of situationsPor que no los dos?Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already :))
We're not used to playing games here where the roles list is not available, and we have many people playing for the first time, so yeah, team work is going to be much more vital than it usually is.
Haha, answering in a different language is a scum slip for you? I will keep that in mind, but I suppose scum!Funnier will not be repeating such an act now that they've let the entire world know what it is.
And fair enough, with so many new players added on top of it, this is likely to produce a very paranoid town.@funnier6, you can put the entire quote in a spoiler.That doesnt have anything to do with what I asked?
The fact that we don't have a roles list means we're going to have to discuss the possible roles amongst each other a lot and claim at optimal times, something we don't typically do around here. I hosted an exact replica of our MU game in December, and no one coordinated to figure out who was holding which ability.
But regardless, I dont believe that night action coordination is a priority anyway, if circumstances drive certain people to claim and they want to coordinate with each other mkay, but trying to coordinate night actions in a game as huge and chaotic as this sounds like a huge mess regardless and I would rather each player do the best they can. We'd literally have to lose 18 town players to lose this game so I'm not really interested in it. Mass role claiming and and role coordination is something I prefer to be left to last ditch circumstances, which should be quite unnecessary in this game. Like, if you dont have super relevant information to claim or if youre not about to die I dont know why youre claiming. You know as well as I do that claims in general were a source of confusion and insanity in our game so I dont really see where youre coming from with this
At least the roles flip after death here right?
I seem to have had a fundamentally different opinion on the role claims. There was that claim from Eric that caused a lot of confusion (and dumbassery on my part), but overall, I viewed it as quite the utility. The problem with that game for me was more that Lady Lambdadelta had taken control of Town's actions completely and stripped the night actions of any utility they could otherwise have had.
I dont know about that, we can discuss it later, but I am opposed to anything thats going to be distracting, confusing, or unhelpful and the roles in this game are so insane that they easily fit the bill for all three of those and I'd just rather not deal with it unless absolutely necessary.quote chain from FunnierWHY on earth would you host an exact replica with that setup from hell aaaaaaaaaaaaaI'm not seeing what not having the role list available has to do with anythingY'all I haven't been able to get through reading my pm or the OP without my eyes glazing over and idk when I'm gonna have the strength to push throughOof, 6 wolves??You sound like someone who rolled scum.Indeed, and since the Wolves are at a numbers disadvantage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have extra abilities to help compensate.As though in any other situation it would not be vital hm
This game ihttps://wintreath.com/forums/Smileys/newdefault/azn.gifs going to be insane. Team work is going to be absolutely vital.
I hardly would call this any more a numbers disadvantage than there always is, 30 players can cause so much chaos it would be almost miraculous to lynch scum when you have six people who obviously don't want you to do that. Without regard to roles a 6 player team is quite big enough to do whatever the heck they want just from how easy it is subtly poke things in the direction they want them to go, while the rest of us may be unfortunately paranoid and wishy washy which happens in these kinds of situationsPor que no los dos?Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already :))
We're not used to playing games here where the roles list is not available, and we have many people playing for the first time, so yeah, team work is going to be much more vital than it usually is.
Haha, answering in a different language is a scum slip for you? I will keep that in mind, but I suppose scum!Funnier will not be repeating such an act now that they've let the entire world know what it is.
And fair enough, with so many new players added on top of it, this is likely to produce a very paranoid town.@funnier6, you can put the entire quote in a spoiler.That doesnt have anything to do with what I asked?
The fact that we don't have a roles list means we're going to have to discuss the possible roles amongst each other a lot and claim at optimal times, something we don't typically do around here. I hosted an exact replica of our MU game in December, and no one coordinated to figure out who was holding which ability.
But regardless, I dont believe that night action coordination is a priority anyway, if circumstances drive certain people to claim and they want to coordinate with each other mkay, but trying to coordinate night actions in a game as huge and chaotic as this sounds like a huge mess regardless and I would rather each player do the best they can. We'd literally have to lose 18 town players to lose this game so I'm not really interested in it. Mass role claiming and and role coordination is something I prefer to be left to last ditch circumstances, which should be quite unnecessary in this game. Like, if you dont have super relevant information to claim or if youre not about to die I dont know why youre claiming. You know as well as I do that claims in general were a source of confusion and insanity in our game so I dont really see where youre coming from with this
At least the roles flip after death here right?
I seem to have had a fundamentally different opinion on the role claims. There was that claim from Eric that caused a lot of confusion (and dumbassery on my part), but overall, I viewed it as quite the utility. The problem with that game for me was more that Lady Lambdadelta had taken control of Town's actions completely and stripped the night actions of any utility they could otherwise have had.
I was actually thinking of that debacle with ES making all of us lose our minds about Litten and Keith's claims
But anyway the biggest issue with that here is that new players tend to believe claims unconditionally, which is a huge pitfall when mafia may have fake claims or roles similar to town, such as it were in that champs game. Also I disagree, I think it's very very difficult to get anywhere with night actions in that setup, it just relies too much on people using good judgment which... they dont tend to have.
While being somewhat exhausting, this is starting to feel much more like the Funnier I was expecting.I've been absolutely crushed by assignments for the past week man have some pity, I'm also in two games at once which sucks
While being somewhat exhausting, this is starting to feel much more like the Funnier I was expecting.I've been absolutely crushed by assignments for the past week man have some pity, I'm also in two games at once which sucks
I finished writing my journal on Oronooko the Royal Slave so I'm getting some mafia in before I scramble to meet my next deadline tonight
Also you still dont feel like Laur to me but idk it might just be the avatar, anyway hi hope youre not mafia but also kinda do cause I think lynching you would be kinda fun O:-)
Also can someone please tell me how to not get an email literally every time I get quoted
I cant tell if youre saying the vote because skyfall is fair or if its some other reason but voting someone because theyve done nothing is one of the most valid reasons to vote someone on day one since you cant begin to decide whether someone is town or not until they start doing things.Maybe the Spyfall game is still in my head, but let's Vote: Hapi
Rude. :o I've done nothing.
But fair.
I'm going to
Vote: ExLight
Don't like the constant attacks on Aragonn for no reason. Seems like a way to shift focus to me *shrugs*
This is bringing back memories from last game. Vote: ExLight. They are pushing way too hard against Aragonn for my comfort, and Aragonn isn’t suspicious at all, he’s doing exactly what he always does. Why is ExLight pushing so hard over Aragonn telling him to be careful?What exactly is pushing too hard to you?
I dont really see why you're wanting to flip the table with more mechanics nonsense instead of trying to get a handle of who like 25 of these people are. Like, priorities?
I never said anything about the effects helping scum? I think you realize that I'm saying the concept of this big complicated distraction in the middle of the game is what I dont want helping scum, not its effects
Let's put it this way ExLight, nothing Aragonn is doing right now is out of the ordinary. You are right, you don't know how members here play. He seemed the most suspicious to you, so you went after him. We tried to tell you he's playing normally, but it was well after your initial attacks. You are right, we are ignoring the order of events. At this point it's turned into attacks that are taken as personal, regardless of the intent. I need to stress this, Aragonn is playing normally. It should have no bearing on your reasoning. Now that you know that, I hope you'll rethink your thought process. I'll extend an olive branch (since it is my belief your attacks and later, defensiveness, are reasonable) and remove my vote from ExLight. I will still Vote: Press the button.
I've literally barely started trying so it'd be wise if you were a little more skeptical. Me and Ex just won a scum game like last week so be afraid be very afraid >:D (we got very lucky lol)While being somewhat exhausting, this is starting to feel much more like the Funnier I was expecting.I've been absolutely crushed by assignments for the past week man have some pity, I'm also in two games at once which sucks
I finished writing my journal on Oronooko the Royal Slave so I'm getting some mafia in before I scramble to meet my next deadline tonight
Also you still dont feel like Laur to me but idk it might just be the avatar, anyway hi hope youre not mafia but also kinda do cause I think lynching you would be kinda fun O:-)
Also can someone please tell me how to not get an email literally every time I get quoted
LOL, I don't think it's just the avatar. I'm on my home turf now, whereas I was a lost and confused noob who was just trying desperately to make sense of the insanity around me in the MU game while feeling hopelessly out-skilled by the jargon everyone was using, and the unique way you were all analysing the game.
Also, what I said in MU holds true here. I don't wanna live in a world where you are scum. If that turns out to be the case, I might legit cry before I lynch you.
I didnt know you liked mechanics actually ???I dont really see why you're wanting to flip the table with more mechanics nonsense instead of trying to get a handle of who like 25 of these people are. Like, priorities?
Because I'm hoping the mechanics will help me get a better handle on the like 25 people? You know I like mechanics. They can get people talking or doing things that I can read them for. This game is massive. Mechanics aren't gonna make reading anyone any harder for me. Also don't you realize town can get some advantages from these effects?I never said anything about the effects helping scum? I think you realize that I'm saying the concept of this big complicated distraction in the middle of the game is what I dont want helping scum, not its effects
My wording was a bit unclear there. Though it's kind of weird you interrupted that way considering how bad that sentence looks with that meaning. I wasn't saying if effects help scum, I was saying I was all for effects if they somehow outted scum like they had the potential to in MtG.Let's put it this way ExLight, nothing Aragonn is doing right now is out of the ordinary. You are right, you don't know how members here play. He seemed the most suspicious to you, so you went after him. We tried to tell you he's playing normally, but it was well after your initial attacks. You are right, we are ignoring the order of events. At this point it's turned into attacks that are taken as personal, regardless of the intent. I need to stress this, Aragonn is playing normally. It should have no bearing on your reasoning. Now that you know that, I hope you'll rethink your thought process. I'll extend an olive branch (since it is my belief your attacks and later, defensiveness, are reasonable) and remove my vote from ExLight. I will still Vote: Press the button.
I went back and looked at some of the votes that quickly piled on Ex.
Red Mones is one that sticks out to me (Dawcreek being the other). His initial vote said that Ex was pushing way too hard against Aragonn, which I didn't really see. Ex didn't seem like he was pushing him all too much to me.
But it's this quote that stands out. From the way Red is talking he seems like he's a somewhat experienced player. The fact that he jumped on Ex so easily when the wagon started gaining traction, then jumped off just as easy when the wagon started getting criticism doesn't look good.
But most importantly, he emphasizes that Aragonn is playing normally and that it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning. The thing is though is that Ex, myself, funnier, and any new player here doesn't know that this is Aragonn playing normally. And to say it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning looks a bit suspicious. Anything can have bearing on someone's reasoning even if it's typical for them. You look for scummy behavior and you poke it. But we have no real reason to trust Red when he says this is normal for Aragonn, since they could easily be scumbuds. The fact that he seemed to be telling Ex how he should read Aragonn doesn't sit well with me. And in a game this big, with so many new players it would be a bit more easy to openly 'powerwolf' (taking control and leading the thread as scum).
Vote: Red Mones
Funnier, if you're talking about why I believe Ex's claim, it's because the specifics sound plausible and I'm not seeing anything that would throw me off. But it's not like I know Portal.Yes, but do you believe he is town because you believe his claim is the important question. I dont think you should believe someone is town based on the plausibility of their claim is what I'm getting at
In regards to Doc, I don't have a scum chat to go off of.
I do like how you find my avatar cute though 😊
I barely have a handle on the game mechanics as it is. I would really appreciate it if a random effect was not thrown at me out of nowhere.I am VERY WORRIED about this button.Cant tell if sarcasm or serious
If serious, explain?
I didnt know you liked mechanics actually ???SpoilerI dont really see why you're wanting to flip the table with more mechanics nonsense instead of trying to get a handle of who like 25 of these people are. Like, priorities?
Because I'm hoping the mechanics will help me get a better handle on the like 25 people? You know I like mechanics. They can get people talking or doing things that I can read them for. This game is massive. Mechanics aren't gonna make reading anyone any harder for me. Also don't you realize town can get some advantages from these effects?I never said anything about the effects helping scum? I think you realize that I'm saying the concept of this big complicated distraction in the middle of the game is what I dont want helping scum, not its effects
My wording was a bit unclear there. Though it's kind of weird you interrupted that way considering how bad that sentence looks with that meaning. I wasn't saying if effects help scum, I was saying I was all for effects if they somehow outted scum like they had the potential to in MtG.Let's put it this way ExLight, nothing Aragonn is doing right now is out of the ordinary. You are right, you don't know how members here play. He seemed the most suspicious to you, so you went after him. We tried to tell you he's playing normally, but it was well after your initial attacks. You are right, we are ignoring the order of events. At this point it's turned into attacks that are taken as personal, regardless of the intent. I need to stress this, Aragonn is playing normally. It should have no bearing on your reasoning. Now that you know that, I hope you'll rethink your thought process. I'll extend an olive branch (since it is my belief your attacks and later, defensiveness, are reasonable) and remove my vote from ExLight. I will still Vote: Press the button.
I went back and looked at some of the votes that quickly piled on Ex.
Red Mones is one that sticks out to me (Dawcreek being the other). His initial vote said that Ex was pushing way too hard against Aragonn, which I didn't really see. Ex didn't seem like he was pushing him all too much to me.
But it's this quote that stands out. From the way Red is talking he seems like he's a somewhat experienced player. The fact that he jumped on Ex so easily when the wagon started gaining traction, then jumped off just as easy when the wagon started getting criticism doesn't look good.
But most importantly, he emphasizes that Aragonn is playing normally and that it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning. The thing is though is that Ex, myself, funnier, and any new player here doesn't know that this is Aragonn playing normally. And to say it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning looks a bit suspicious. Anything can have bearing on someone's reasoning even if it's typical for them. You look for scummy behavior and you poke it. But we have no real reason to trust Red when he says this is normal for Aragonn, since they could easily be scumbuds. The fact that he seemed to be telling Ex how he should read Aragonn doesn't sit well with me. And in a game this big, with so many new players it would be a bit more easy to openly 'powerwolf' (taking control and leading the thread as scum).
Vote: Red Mones
Like, yeah mechanics woo but not especially
Thats kinda the complete opposite of me since when people I dont know start talking about mechanics it's things I cant read because just about anything said can be explained away as oh I didnt understand how they worked or oh I meant to say blah blah blah. Mechanics are the safe thing to talk about
And yes of course I know town can get advantages but like, I dont care. I'm not interested. I have plenty enough abilities to sort out dont need any more thank you.
I also dont get what you mean in your second quote, whats kind of weird about what I said about it? Oh you mean like how weird it would be for you to be for scum gaining effects? I dont see how thats weird, I interpreted it as you saying you didnt mind taking the risk of scum gaining abilities or whatnot because of how potentially disadvantaged scum are in this setup which is lol the only reason I'd push the button since it does seem a little unfair without the chaos to push it more scum side
Like, yeah I knew you didnt hate mechanics but I didnt know you liked them especiallyI didnt know you liked mechanics actually ???SpoilerI dont really see why you're wanting to flip the table with more mechanics nonsense instead of trying to get a handle of who like 25 of these people are. Like, priorities?
Because I'm hoping the mechanics will help me get a better handle on the like 25 people? You know I like mechanics. They can get people talking or doing things that I can read them for. This game is massive. Mechanics aren't gonna make reading anyone any harder for me. Also don't you realize town can get some advantages from these effects?I never said anything about the effects helping scum? I think you realize that I'm saying the concept of this big complicated distraction in the middle of the game is what I dont want helping scum, not its effects
My wording was a bit unclear there. Though it's kind of weird you interrupted that way considering how bad that sentence looks with that meaning. I wasn't saying if effects help scum, I was saying I was all for effects if they somehow outted scum like they had the potential to in MtG.Let's put it this way ExLight, nothing Aragonn is doing right now is out of the ordinary. You are right, you don't know how members here play. He seemed the most suspicious to you, so you went after him. We tried to tell you he's playing normally, but it was well after your initial attacks. You are right, we are ignoring the order of events. At this point it's turned into attacks that are taken as personal, regardless of the intent. I need to stress this, Aragonn is playing normally. It should have no bearing on your reasoning. Now that you know that, I hope you'll rethink your thought process. I'll extend an olive branch (since it is my belief your attacks and later, defensiveness, are reasonable) and remove my vote from ExLight. I will still Vote: Press the button.
I went back and looked at some of the votes that quickly piled on Ex.
Red Mones is one that sticks out to me (Dawcreek being the other). His initial vote said that Ex was pushing way too hard against Aragonn, which I didn't really see. Ex didn't seem like he was pushing him all too much to me.
But it's this quote that stands out. From the way Red is talking he seems like he's a somewhat experienced player. The fact that he jumped on Ex so easily when the wagon started gaining traction, then jumped off just as easy when the wagon started getting criticism doesn't look good.
But most importantly, he emphasizes that Aragonn is playing normally and that it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning. The thing is though is that Ex, myself, funnier, and any new player here doesn't know that this is Aragonn playing normally. And to say it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning looks a bit suspicious. Anything can have bearing on someone's reasoning even if it's typical for them. You look for scummy behavior and you poke it. But we have no real reason to trust Red when he says this is normal for Aragonn, since they could easily be scumbuds. The fact that he seemed to be telling Ex how he should read Aragonn doesn't sit well with me. And in a game this big, with so many new players it would be a bit more easy to openly 'powerwolf' (taking control and leading the thread as scum).
Vote: Red Mones
Like, yeah mechanics woo but not especially
Thats kinda the complete opposite of me since when people I dont know start talking about mechanics it's things I cant read because just about anything said can be explained away as oh I didnt understand how they worked or oh I meant to say blah blah blah. Mechanics are the safe thing to talk about
And yes of course I know town can get advantages but like, I dont care. I'm not interested. I have plenty enough abilities to sort out dont need any more thank you.
I also dont get what you mean in your second quote, whats kind of weird about what I said about it? Oh you mean like how weird it would be for you to be for scum gaining effects? I dont see how thats weird, I interpreted it as you saying you didnt mind taking the risk of scum gaining abilities or whatnot because of how potentially disadvantaged scum are in this setup which is lol the only reason I'd push the button since it does seem a little unfair without the chaos to push it more scum side
That's why I always like Deku's weird games. Because they have interesting mechanics. Lol. Also, I just used some mechanics in my game.
It's less so talking about mechanics and moreso talking about what people have done with the mechanics if that makes sense.
And yeah that's what I meant by it being weird. Just thought it was kinda funny that you interrupted it as me openly saying I was all for giving scum an advantage. Lol.
Are you voting yet? I can't remember. And if yes for who and if not then who are you thinking?
What does Doc have to do with Ex?This is just Doc being Doc.Fair. To go along with this, I'll change my vote to ExLight.
For the same reason as everyone else, I will Vote: ExLightFor what reason would that be
I don't like the unjustified aggression on Aragonn either.
Welcome to Werewolf. This is what people do. I don't like it, and I keep questioning why I'm coming back.You dont like being asked to be explain your thought process and reasoning?
My wagon exploding while I was busy sleeping in my sofa while approaching mid-late Day Phase, with most votes being sheeping basically, isn't natural at all. I'm fine with lynching anyone that is in it at this point.You? A strong player? ???
Just dropping a few other points in my defense, but other points for scum going after me include: Easy lynch target for being a stranger in this community; me being considered a strong player since I'm joining the Champs as a sub this year; and me "softing" a power role, which wasn't really a soft but after the role baiting Aragonn threw kinda might've convinced scum, so who knows :shrugs:, unfortunately he was right and I do have a moderately strong role.
Do we care about your claim thoOh, well, this is getting out of hand.
I'm basically a 3-shot doctor, and my abilities include double voting or protecting two people in the same night.
maybe if I do like this people won't use the excuse that they missed my claim hmmm
He doesn't. The "this" was earlier actions of Ex that I'd believed to be aggressive at the time.What does Doc have to do with Ex?This is just Doc being Doc.Fair. To go along with this, I'll change my vote to ExLight.
Oh, is that the point of the game? Of course, I've never played it before ever at all ever in any capacity at all what so ever, here I was thinking we were making like a Pachinko machine andDo you mind giving the context for whatever this is supposed to bePulling the LeverPushing the Button.
When you put such a masterfully crafted argument I am still going to push the button, funnier.
Quick post before bed, Ex seems like probably town, typical, reactions are typical, Hapi is probably just town that's some very impressive analytical reactions to Ex if not, brave too. Minish is not insanely making me think town but I wont worry about it, Laur is actually being kind of weird, idk if its just the avatar but I get this "why yes young padawans, come listen to my words of wisdom" that kind of scare me into thinking he's trying to use his influence to have the new players sheep him unconditionally.
Also for goodness sake, I dont know what roles the mafia have but blindly believing or disbelieving the first person who claims is just like
I cant even remember what he claimed and I dont really care I remember it had a doctor in it, but anyway claiming day one is stupid. I'm going to give Silv the benefit of the doubt and say the mafia have believable fake claims or believable claims or something, but trying to deduce alignment from that is super lame (and it does NOT always work) Ex is a big dum idr why he even bothered oh wow a few votes on you geez guess better claim NO please keep in mind that Ex is certifiably insane and should be used as an example of what not to do only k thx
Where was I so anyway believe his claim doubt his claim it doesnt matter unless he specifically claimed your exact role there is no reason to believe it isnt his actual role but of course if youre scum reading him it doesnt really matter though I'm not and would advise against it
Again I dont remember where I was going with this I just saw a lot of nonsense and it irritated me also Barnes avatar is heckin Peabody and Sherman how cute is that
Also I have work tomorrow night so I wont be able to make eod but I'll try to get some posts out in the morning
This happens with every game where there are new people. Someone usually makes an oof, I correct it, and then people sheep.
That said, I'm confused about your analysis here. I have not cast a vote yet, so there is literally no action for people to sheep on.
Unless you're referring to getting people off the Ex wagon?
I’m not caught up, I’ll finish and reply to it tomorrow, bout to clock inQuick post before bed, Ex seems like probably town, typical, reactions are typical, Hapi is probably just town that's some very impressive analytical reactions to Ex if not, brave too. Minish is not insanely making me think town but I wont worry about it, Laur is actually being kind of weird, idk if its just the avatar but I get this "why yes young padawans, come listen to my words of wisdom" that kind of scare me into thinking he's trying to use his influence to have the new players sheep him unconditionally.
Also for goodness sake, I dont know what roles the mafia have but blindly believing or disbelieving the first person who claims is just like
I cant even remember what he claimed and I dont really care I remember it had a doctor in it, but anyway claiming day one is stupid. I'm going to give Silv the benefit of the doubt and say the mafia have believable fake claims or believable claims or something, but trying to deduce alignment from that is super lame (and it does NOT always work) Ex is a big dum idr why he even bothered oh wow a few votes on you geez guess better claim NO please keep in mind that Ex is certifiably insane and should be used as an example of what not to do only k thx
Where was I so anyway believe his claim doubt his claim it doesnt matter unless he specifically claimed your exact role there is no reason to believe it isnt his actual role but of course if youre scum reading him it doesnt really matter though I'm not and would advise against it
Again I dont remember where I was going with this I just saw a lot of nonsense and it irritated me also Barnes avatar is heckin Peabody and Sherman how cute is that
Also I have work tomorrow night so I wont be able to make eod but I'll try to get some posts out in the morningThis happens with every game where there are new people. Someone usually makes an oof, I correct it, and then people sheep.
That said, I'm confused about your analysis here. I have not cast a vote yet, so there is literally no action for people to sheep on.
Unless you're referring to getting people off the Ex wagon?
You never got back to me about what you meant here. I'm still not understanding your point. Is it fear that I might use my influence to just let people sheep, or had you already observed it?
Red came back to me after I questioned him along very similar lines to Minish, and his response made sense. I'm leaning Town, but he really should have known better than to get anywhere near that wagon.this is kinda bullshit
I'm pretty sure you literally called him a turret and you're also getting simultaneously more defensive and aggressive the more you try to say you're notI'm pretty sure I literally said he could be any role under the sun. Until he specified he was doctor, which I don't fully believe nor understand why he did it, the list and alignment could've been anything. I don't understand how you could get "this guy is a turret" out of what I said.
sips tea
I don't like how people have the tendency to dogpile you for the slightest thing like what just happened with Ex.Welcome to Werewolf. This is what people do. I don't like it, and I keep questioning why I'm coming back.You dont like being asked to be explain your thought process and reasoning?
Huh?Red came back to me after I questioned him along very similar lines to Minish, and his response made sense. I'm leaning Town, but he really should have known better than to get anywhere near that wagon.this is kinda bullshit
you got kinda annoyed at Bernes voting me despite thinking I'm town and you're doing the same?
Oh, right, forgot Hapi and Barnes. I'll go ahead and Town both of them, because Barnes' admission that he wanted to lynch Ex even though he believed his claim would be Wolf suicide, and Hapi's aggressive push there was way too hard for an inexperienced Wolf.
And I'm not sure about Red Mones' actions there. He changed his tune fairly quickly after Ex role claimed, and he jumped on that band wagon very quickly, but out of everyone on the wagon, he was the most experienced, and that is kinda a double-edged sword. 1. He should not have been on that wagon, but 2. Removing his vote so quickly could either be that experience kicking back in again and letting his calmer head prevail, or 3. be an attempt to hop off a very bad wagon and avoid being implicated when Ex got lynched and flipped Town, thereby also proving Ex's claim, which does look a bit scummy.
You're going to have explain that one to me, @Red Mones.
And I'm not sure about Red Mones' actions there. He changed his tune fairly quickly after Ex role claimedHis role claim actually had no effect on my decision.and he jumped on that band wagon very quickly, but out of everyone on the wagon, he was the most experienced, and that is kinda a double-edged sword.Me? Experienced? :PHe should not have been on that wagon, but 2. Removing his vote so quickly could either be that experience kicking back in again and letting his calmer head prevail.Yup, pretty much it. If you notice in the past my play style is mostly waiting until the end of phases and jumping on wagons against the popular choice. This happened last game with Aragonn but experience kicked in and I rescinded my vote. I flip flopped all over the place after that, which people inferred from that that 1 i was not a power role, 2 prob not a wolf because i was drawing too much attention and obviously wasnt following a pattern and im not nearly good enough to pull of that kind of deception. Both were correct i was just regular village. What happened this game was similar, ex pushed hard against aragonn for something dumb, but i realized he wouldnt know (i remembered mentioning aragonns play was normal but the exact time was hazy) so when they mentioned we’re ignoring order of events i read through the relevant parts and noticed the timeline exs initial push>my vote post mentioning aragonn is normal>hapi and ex’s back and forth so I realized he was right. Also things were getting a little OOC so i wanted it to calm down a little. ALSO ex is experienced so i don’t think they woyld call attention to themselves like that? But also they just might so wed assume they were ‘t scum but idk. I’ve probably made a ton of errors cuz im on mobile which freking sucks for these kind of posts also im tired and about to go to bed heh
oh, nevermind, I guess you're not voting himyea I corrected myself, I thought you had voted him at some point
Despite Funnier's clear I'm-not-liking-Lau sentiment (</3 BTW), I have to agree with him on the button thing. It could help Town, but it's also an extra complexity in a game that's already quite a bit more complex than we're used to playing, and we already have quite a few new players who are struggling to keep up as it is.It's not really all that complex without the button though. It appears to be pretty standard without the button. It is my understanding that the game will be much more interesting should the button be pushed.
I will therefore be taking back my vote to push the button.
Still a fuck ton of players with no roles list.Despite Funnier's clear I'm-not-liking-Lau sentiment (</3 BTW), I have to agree with him on the button thing. It could help Town, but it's also an extra complexity in a game that's already quite a bit more complex than we're used to playing, and we already have quite a few new players who are struggling to keep up as it is.It's not really all that complex without the button though. It appears to be pretty standard without the button. It is my understanding that the game will be much more interesting should the button be pushed.
I will therefore be taking back my vote to push the button.
After spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.Aren't you supposed to try to get votes off of you? I thought the main goal of the game is to survive.
After spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.would you mind elaborating where my defense contradicts itself?
After spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.Aren't you supposed to try to get votes off of you? I thought the main goal of the game is to survive.
Surviving until the very end usually only matters is you're mafia. The main town objective is to lynch them, even if we have to die.After spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.Aren't you supposed to try to get votes off of you? I thought the main goal of the game is to survive.
"Hey guys I'm town so I'd really appreciate it if you took your votes off of me k thx"After spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.Aren't you supposed to try to get votes off of you? I thought the main goal of the game is to survive.
Yes, but if you are town, you know what your defense is because you are town. However, as WW you have to make up a defense, and Exlight's defense seems like they made up one defense, and it didn't get the votes off of them, so they made up another fake defense.
After spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.would you mind elaborating where my defense contradicts itself?
yea imagine being able to approach the game in different ways and adapt to the current situationAfter spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.would you mind elaborating where my defense contradicts itself?
You started off really aggressive (which isn't susp alone), but then you tried to switch to a kinder defense, and now you have tried a more under-the-radar defense and it seems suspicious that you keep switching up your defense.
"Hey guys I'm town so I'd really appreciate it if you took your votes off of me k thx"After spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.Aren't you supposed to try to get votes off of you? I thought the main goal of the game is to survive.
Yes, but if you are town, you know what your defense is because you are town. However, as WW you have to make up a defense, and Exlight's defense seems like they made up one defense, and it didn't get the votes off of them, so they made up another fake defense.
"Oh no problem bro, I'll get right on that"
I never have ever seen that play out. Your logic and reason is sketch af.
Is Batma n an experienced player? Kinda asked before and no one answered?
If you are town, you have a defense(your town role), so you can't change your defense during the game. Exlight has changed their defense many times (as explained in the previous post).I didn't change my claim; it's a '3-shot' doctor that can self target.
That is, of course, assuming that people believe you. You could be lying, and it's that chance that you could be lying about your role that some people don't like and will continue to press you. There's also that good chance that revealing your role will get scum to off you in the night."Hey guys I'm town so I'd really appreciate it if you took your votes off of me k thx"After spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.Aren't you supposed to try to get votes off of you? I thought the main goal of the game is to survive.
Yes, but if you are town, you know what your defense is because you are town. However, as WW you have to make up a defense, and Exlight's defense seems like they made up one defense, and it didn't get the votes off of them, so they made up another fake defense.
"Oh no problem bro, I'll get right on that"
I never have ever seen that play out. Your logic and reason is sketch af.
If you are town, you have a defense(your town role), so you can't change your defense during the game. Exlight has changed their defense many times (as explained in the previous post).
That is, of course, assuming that people believe you. You could be lying, and it's that chance that you could be lying about your role that some people don't like and will continue to press you. There's also that good chance that revealing your role will get scum to off you in the night."Hey guys I'm town so I'd really appreciate it if you took your votes off of me k thx"After spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.Aren't you supposed to try to get votes off of you? I thought the main goal of the game is to survive.
Yes, but if you are town, you know what your defense is because you are town. However, as WW you have to make up a defense, and Exlight's defense seems like they made up one defense, and it didn't get the votes off of them, so they made up another fake defense.
"Oh no problem bro, I'll get right on that"
I never have ever seen that play out. Your logic and reason is sketch af.
If you are town, you have a defense(your town role), so you can't change your defense during the game. Exlight has changed their defense many times (as explained in the previous post).
That is, of course, assuming that people believe you. You could be lying, and it's that chance that you could be lying about your role that some people don't like and will continue to press you. There's also that good chance that revealing your role will get scum to off you in the night."Hey guys I'm town so I'd really appreciate it if you took your votes off of me k thx"After spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.Aren't you supposed to try to get votes off of you? I thought the main goal of the game is to survive.
Yes, but if you are town, you know what your defense is because you are town. However, as WW you have to make up a defense, and Exlight's defense seems like they made up one defense, and it didn't get the votes off of them, so they made up another fake defense.
"Oh no problem bro, I'll get right on that"
I never have ever seen that play out. Your logic and reason is sketch af.
If you are town, you have a defense(your town role), so you can't change your defense during the game. Exlight has changed their defense many times (as explained in the previous post).
What I'm saying is, if you're town, you know you're town, so why lie. Exlight defending with three vastly different defenses seems like a very weird thing for a townie to do.
What I'm saying is, if you're town, you know you're town, so why lie. Exlight defending with three vastly different defenses seems like a very weird thing for a townie to do.Except I didn't lie at any moment?
I'm not really liking the retaliation vote against Batman here.I'm townreading the only other viable wagon, I have to place it somewhere
Also is Laur off to you or is it just me?
At this point, it's looking TWTBAW. He clearly doesn't believe your claim, and expecting everyone to is also unreasonable.yet I'm the main wagon
If you're town, you're not lying. If you're scum, you're lying but saying the same thing as you would if you were town. So how can you, the other player, tell if they're lying or not? Have you some sixth sense? A third eye? If you're psychic, I would really recommend you get studied by some psychologists or something.Convo w/Batma nThat is, of course, assuming that people believe you. You could be lying, and it's that chance that you could be lying about your role that some people don't like and will continue to press you. There's also that good chance that revealing your role will get scum to off you in the night."Hey guys I'm town so I'd really appreciate it if you took your votes off of me k thx"After spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.Aren't you supposed to try to get votes off of you? I thought the main goal of the game is to survive.
Yes, but if you are town, you know what your defense is because you are town. However, as WW you have to make up a defense, and Exlight's defense seems like they made up one defense, and it didn't get the votes off of them, so they made up another fake defense.
"Oh no problem bro, I'll get right on that"
I never have ever seen that play out. Your logic and reason is sketch af.
If you are town, you have a defense(your town role), so you can't change your defense during the game. Exlight has changed their defense many times (as explained in the previous post).
What I'm saying is, if you're town, you know you're town, so why lie. Exlight defending with three vastly different defenses seems like a very weird thing for a townie to do.
Also, his defense didn't really change in substance. It only changed in style because people were claiming he was being too aggressive.
If you're town, you're not lying. If you're scum, you're lying but saying the same thing as you would if you were town. So how can you, the other player, tell if they're lying or not? Have you some sixth sense? A third eye? If you're psychic, I would really recommend you get studied by some psychologists or something.Convo w/Batma nThat is, of course, assuming that people believe you. You could be lying, and it's that chance that you could be lying about your role that some people don't like and will continue to press you. There's also that good chance that revealing your role will get scum to off you in the night."Hey guys I'm town so I'd really appreciate it if you took your votes off of me k thx"After spending over an hour reading everything, I am going to Vote Exlight because their defense looks like many attempts to either get the votes off of them or move the conversation away from them, and some of the defenses contradict each other, which makes them seem very suspicious to me.Aren't you supposed to try to get votes off of you? I thought the main goal of the game is to survive.
Yes, but if you are town, you know what your defense is because you are town. However, as WW you have to make up a defense, and Exlight's defense seems like they made up one defense, and it didn't get the votes off of them, so they made up another fake defense.
"Oh no problem bro, I'll get right on that"
I never have ever seen that play out. Your logic and reason is sketch af.
If you are town, you have a defense(your town role), so you can't change your defense during the game. Exlight has changed their defense many times (as explained in the previous post).
What I'm saying is, if you're town, you know you're town, so why lie. Exlight defending with three vastly different defenses seems like a very weird thing for a townie to do.
Also, his defense didn't really change in substance. It only changed in style because people were claiming he was being too aggressive.
Isn't that what scumreading is? Figuring out if someone is lying about being town.
However, I will Remove my vote for Exlight because some more experienced players than me are saying that they are probably town, and it is only Day 1, but I still think Exlight is somebody to watch out for
I'm down for voting off players who are inactive and not contributing to the discussion. I'm sure it would help them out as well, as they're probably either too busy to keep up with such an active game or are completely overwhelmed and don't know where to start theorizing.This kinda matches my personal views about inactives
As long as they meet the two posts per day phase requirement, they won't get modkilled. Yes, there are a couple who I haven't seen meet this requirement yet. But there are also lurkers who have met the requirement but aren't saying anything beyond that.I'm down for voting off players who are inactive and not contributing to the discussion. I'm sure it would help them out as well, as they're probably either too busy to keep up with such an active game or are completely overwhelmed and don't know where to start theorizing.This kinda matches my personal views about inactives
but it would kinda be the same as voting for a no lynch or even worse since they're likely to get modkilled or replaced anyway
A few Minor updates here:
Please DO NOT discuss the game with anyone outside of this thread unless you are in an approved, host created area. Yes, it's tempting, but please no. This has now been explicitly stated in the rules to avoid further confusion. That was my bad for only generally making note of it before.
I feel like that's way too specific to be fabricated. Ex is confirmed town in my mind.Funnier, Aragonn basically summed up what I couldn't before.
why join a portal themed game that was clearly going to heavily involve mechanic based gameplay only to NEVER use said mechanics and rather just complain they exist.Because we just want to play Werewolf, and not everyone understands Portal. The Portal element just gives it a theme for writing purposes, which I like.
I'm super exhausted and don't have energy left for today and will try to rest a bitOf course you'd prefer it if we moved our votes somewhere else. You can't win if you're dead right?
I won't be around when Day ends, and my vote will stay on Batma n
I already claimed my role, and, as I said, it's a really strong role for town that I'd like to be given a chance to prove its worth.
I'd appreciate if @Excalibur @El Fiji Grande @Dawcreek popped back and caught up a bit. Your votes are damaging to town and are barely based on something. I'd appreciate if you moved it to somewhere else.
True, but choosing to just not vote, especially in a game that requires a minimum of 2 posts per day to ensure that you're a part of it, is incredibly suspicious. It'd be one thing if you accidentally missed a day, but when you're required to post to ensure activity, it just comes off as odd that you wouldn't vote just to avoid using your "No Lynch" vote.That doesn't really make sense to me though with the rules as written by Ruguo. How is not voting to avoid using your NL vote any more odd than voting random to save your NL vote? Both are "I'm voting for nothing for to save my NL vote".
lmfao where's funnier and min, they're gonna laughYou may not be experienced relative to all players across the interwebs, but you're experienced relative to us. I'd chalk it up to not knowing how the other plays though.
I'm not experienced tho, I started playing last year which is not much considering quite a few players I met have been playing for like six years or more under their belt
and I'm a magnet of attention because I'm noisy and annoying and hyperactive and lack common sense, it's not really alignment related
Oh, my bad. What did you want to know?@funnier6, you can put the entire quote in a spoiler.That doesnt have anything to do with what I asked?
Oh, and @Wintermoot, could you perhaps tell Funnier how to disable the emails? I don't have this problem.@funnier6 go to Profile (click on your username at the top right of the screen>options>notifications>uncheck "email"
Red Mones is one that sticks out to me (Dawcreek being the other). His initial vote said that Ex was pushing way too hard against Aragonn, which I didn't really se.e. Ex didn't seem like he was pushing him all too much to me.Eh, you're right, it's just that we're not so aggressive here in Wintreath. It just stuck out to me.
But it's this quote that stands out. From the way Red is talking he seems like he's a somewhat experienced player. The fact that he jumped on Ex so easily when the wagon started gaining traction, then jumped off just as easy when the wagon started getting criticism doesn't look good.I assure you, I'm not that experienced. :P
But most importantly, he emphasizes that Aragonn is playing normally and that it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning. The thing is though is that Ex, myself, funnier, and any new player here doesn't know that this is Aragonn playing normally.Right, part of the reason I removed my vote from them.
And to say it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning looks a bit suspicious. Anything can have bearing on someone's reasoning even if it's typical for them. You look for scummy behavior and you poke it. But we have no real reason to trust Red when he says this is normal for Aragonn, since they could easily be scumbuds.True, but I think other Wintreans can attest to that.
Also is Laur off to you or is it just me?@Laurentus is surprisingly laid back. @Doc is also surprisingly inactive.
TWTBAW.Could you help me out here on this one?
I suspect this stunning revelation will be met with attempts to have me stop playing which I won't do.Noooooo, you shall not leave. It maight be hard sometimes but it is never personal. Can't stress that enough. I've definitely been affected by WW games here before, but once you get back to general chat you quickly realize it was just a game, and everything's back to normal.
Now you may be asking why are you even bringing this up at all? Good question.
I'm overly honest.
Noting this is important for me to continue playing the game for my own psyche.
The fact that he seemed to be telling Ex how he should read Aragonn doesn't sit well with me. And in a game this big, with so many new players it would be a bit more easy to openly 'powerwolf' (taking control and leading the thread as scum).I told him I hoped he would re-think based on new information I had given, just as I reconsidered my vote against him. You said I shouldn't have voted for Ex because he wouldn't know how Aragonn played, but the same applies to Ex. Surely he should've realized he didn't know how Aragonn played, and shouldn't gone after hm? Neither of us considered this until later. We both removed our voted once it was pointed out.
Google tells me it's "too wolfy to be a wolf".TWTBAW.Could you help me out here on this one?
I suspect this stunning revelation will be met with attempts to have me stop playing which I won't do.Noooooo, you shall not leave. It maight be hard sometimes but it is never personal. Can't stress that enough. I've definitely been affected by WW games here before, but once you get back to general chat you quickly realize it was just a game, and everything's back to normal.
Now you may be asking why are you even bringing this up at all? Good question.
I'm overly honest.
Noting this is important for me to continue playing the game for my own psyche.
Google tells me it's "too wolfy to be a wolf".TWTBAW.Could you help me out here on this one?
Google tells me it's "too wolfy to be a wolf".Much appreciated. That one wasn't in list provided by Laurentus.
I now believe that Exlight isn't a wolf, but I don't want to be lynched so I'll Vote Hapi Ever After and hope that the same thing as last game's Day 1 happensYou're all over the place. That actually makes me think you're town, though.
Wait no, I forgot they already had 2 votes. In that case, I Remove Vote for Hapi Ever Afterwat
I only said what the term meant, not whether I believed that claim :PUnless that's what They want you to think >:DGoogle tells me it's "too wolfy to be a wolf".TWTBAW.Could you help me out here on this one?
I'm super exhausted and don't have energy left for today and will try to rest a bitOf course you'd prefer it if we moved our votes somewhere else. You can't win if you're dead right?
I won't be around when Day ends, and my vote will stay on Batma n
I already claimed my role, and, as I said, it's a really strong role for town that I'd like to be given a chance to prove its worth.
I'd appreciate if @Excalibur @El Fiji Grande @Dawcreek popped back and caught up a bit. Your votes are damaging to town and are barely based on something. I'd appreciate if you moved it to somewhere else.
However, after reading the posts up until now, and especially with your role claim, I feel that the evidence you've presented is far too specific to be made-up. My initial vote was based off of your aggression towards Aragonn, but I feel that now that is not enough to go off of. In that case, I will switch my vote to Hapi. All of the stuff they've said so far seems to be further meant to obfuscate towners. In my mind, a town person wouldn't try to harm their own side like this.
Vote: Hapi Ever After
It's crazy how many errors slip past my (apparently sub-par) proofreading when I can't edit posts. aaaaaaaaaahhhhhh
End of phase should be at 4 (my time) I don't think Ruguo will be here between now and then
Tit for tat
Unvote: Excalibur
Vote: Batman
I think y'all need a lesson on what attacking is cause pinging someone and asking them to explain their behavior isn't attacking by any stretch of the imaginationYes, last game Laurentus pushed against Aragonn hard over his defensiveness over being suspected as a wolf, and nearly managed to get him lynched. It's only because a few people reconsidered and changed their votes at the end of the phase that Aragonn was saved and Laurentus was lynched instead, exposing him as a wolf. And then Aragonn died anyways that night phase, haha...such is life I suppose. :))
But do explain what you mean by "got him in trouble" was he scum? Why do you bring this up? Also do you mean real life day or day phase cbut regardless if you want to vote you vote, votes are what drive the game. Put some pressure on those people you want to post!
Oh, and @Wintermoot, could you perhaps tell Funnier how to disable the emails? I don't have this problem.Click your name in the top-right -> Edit Profile -> Options -> Notification Settings
RIP Batma nYeah, was trying to type as fast as I could
Honestly, your last second role reveal came entirely too late to change the outcome of the voting. We literally had less than a minute to react before eod.
I was assuming somebody needs a majority of voters to get lynched. Guess it makes sense in a such a huge game though.
Sorry I was late to this, I have no idea what I'm doing so I'll just Push the button I guess.You could maybe like, ask some ideas for what you're supposed to be doing? Look at what other people are doing? You understand the core concept is to find and lynch the six of us who are scum?
Aren has been playing Werewolf for a few years and has hosted in the past. He knows how Werewolf works. I think his "no idea what I'm doing" was more in a general sense and/or specific to this game.Oh, is that the point of the game? Of course, I've never played it before ever at all ever in any capacity at all what so ever, here I was thinking we were making like a Pachinko machine andDo you mind giving the context for whatever this is supposed to bePulling the LeverPushing the Button.
When you put such a masterfully crafted argument I am still going to push the button, funnier.
At least the roles flip after death here right?I really thought that they wouldn't considering Ruguo said this:
No, I’m not being nice and telling you who is in the game, or even how many power roles there are. That'd take far too long and be boring to read. You’ll get to see who is who at the end of the game.But apparently you also get to see who is who when they die too (though not how the role is defined). Please clarify in the future Ruguo, thanks
Lau and others were also discussing the game last night on #tavern I think, which may have helped lead to this rule.A few Minor updates here:
Please DO NOT discuss the game with anyone outside of this thread unless you are in an approved, host created area. Yes, it's tempting, but please no. This has now been explicitly stated in the rules to avoid further confusion. That was my bad for only generally making note of it before.
*pops head in*
Hi. I assume this may have been directed at me since I was discussing the game on discord though only the aspects of it that pertained to the fact that I literally had to leave this thread for a while because this game made me cry.
I suspect this stunning revelation will be met with attempts to have me stop playing which I won't do.
Now you may be asking why are you even bringing this up at all? Good question.
I'm overly honest.
Noting this is important for me to continue playing the game for my own psyche.
Or maybe I'm a turret trying to get sympathy *shrugs* >:D
But yeah actually definitely not the last one. Anyways sorry for violating this rule won't happen again.
Back to the game.
@Minish
Also @Hapi why were you crying? Like I'm sorry and it sucks but like, I dont know what made you upset?
Hmm, I just realized the abbreviation "Ex" can be used for ExLight and Excalibur. :oyou can call me Light, it works too
For various reasons I don't want to talk about it here and now. But its a personal thing and nobodies fault I'm ffine now :DSorry to hear that and I'm glad you're feeling better <3
Sorry, folks. But I’m going to have to quit out of the game.
Ender has left the gameoof
ok then, if I'm screwed, I'll say what my role is: Lookout so I can see who visits a person that I target, so I could see if WW visits Exlightah fuck it was a watcher aaaaa
@Wintermoot, was something changed with the quote system?from what I heard from silver seems like the game impacted the forum so much they added a multi-quote feature
hi friends (:Theres a big button and people wanna press it and I told em not to and people tried to lynch Ex for being Ex and me and Min stopped em and we apparently lynched the watcher
would someone like to catch me up on events? i know it's only night 1 (and i'm currently reading through the day) but i don't know most of the players, so it might be a little hard to determine who's done what until i get a little more familiar with names and avatars
hi friends (:I outed myself as the doctor and we ended up lynching the watcher fakgnjfdjkgndfjkhngh
would someone like to catch me up on events? i know it's only night 1 (and i'm currently reading through the day) but i don't know most of the players, so it might be a little hard to determine who's done what until i get a little more familiar with names and avatars
It would be quite difficult to catch you up on 24 pages worth of information :Pnah it's not so bad
ah i see your continued mistreatment of my joke follows me here too >:( (i love this angry emote he's so fuckin mad hahaha what's he so mad about)hi friends (:Theres a big button and people wanna press it and I told em not to and people tried to lynch Ex for being Ex and me and Min stopped em and we apparently lynched the watcher
would someone like to catch me up on events? i know it's only night 1 (and i'm currently reading through the day) but i don't know most of the players, so it might be a little hard to determine who's done what until i get a little more familiar with names and avatars
Also hi big dinosaur I've never met before I'm dad
@Minish its convenient we can talk during the night phase cause I never got around to what I need to tell you. I'm trusting you with something, I dont know what yet, and I'm probably going to continue trusting you with it for the foreseeable future, but I need you to know ahead of time so youre not confused and dont know what the heck to do with it. Its a little hard to let you know what you'll be doing cause I kind of wanted your input but as long as you understand once I decide it should be cool
Actually
I think I thought of a way
But I'll wait till you get back
Also @Hapi why were you crying? Like I'm sorry and it sucks but like, I dont know what made you upset?
hi friends (:
would someone like to catch me up on events? i know it's only night 1 (and i'm currently reading through the day) but i don't know most of the players, so it might be a little hard to determine who's done what until i get a little more familiar with names and avatars
And people either pushed the button or didn't push the button because they don't wanna confuse the game any more than it already is.that makes a ton of sense actually. can we push the button at a later point in time [eyes emoji] or have we decided to destroy all thought of pressing buttons
DESTROY ALLAnd people either pushed the button or didn't push the button because they don't wanna confuse the game any more than it already is.that makes a ton of sense actually. can we push the button at a later point in time [eyes emoji] or have we decided to destroy all thought of pressing buttons
And people either pushed the button or didn't push the button because they don't wanna confuse the game any more than it already is.that makes a ton of sense actually. can we push the button at a later point in time [eyes emoji] or have we decided to destroy all thought of pressing buttons
funnier confirmed godfather, minish confirmed goon
(this was a joke)
And people either pushed the button or didn't push the button because they don't wanna confuse the game any more than it already is.that makes a ton of sense actually. can we push the button at a later point in time [eyes emoji] or have we decided to destroy all thought of pressing buttons
We can push it whenever yeah. Just gotta have majority. I was for pushing it because I was hoping the effects would out scum. Lol.funnier confirmed godfather, minish confirmed goonWas this the reaction you were looking for? :))
(this was a joke)
I need laugh react here.
LG with her big brain plays over here.
Was this the reaction you were looking for? :))And people either pushed the button or didn't push the button because they don't wanna confuse the game any more than it already is.that makes a ton of sense actually. can we push the button at a later point in time [eyes emoji] or have we decided to destroy all thought of pressing buttons
We can push it whenever yeah. Just gotta have majority. I was for pushing it because I was hoping the effects would out scum. Lol.funnier confirmed godfather, minish confirmed goon
(this was a joke)
I need laugh react here.
LG with her big brain plays over here.
hmm, maybe he just still hasn't figured out what to do with whatever he has yet and/or needs her to see it first or somethingi haven't felt that gut feeling that funnier is town yet but i definitely felt it with minish. i'm not really suspicious of funnier or anything i just haven't seen that thing that clicks him into place yet, if that makes sense.
funnier and Min kinda have their own way of understanding each other, so I'm fine with trusting whatever they decide to do at least for now since I'm townreading both
night posting feels weird and i don't think i like itNight posting is best posting 😈
Then Batma n started going after Ex again because he said his defense was contradictory (a few people asked how but afaik he never explained) and that's how votes switched to him.But also note that they actually hadn't fully switched to him, one of the deciding votes was a holdover from the person Batma n subbed in for that wasn't removed due to confusion I think
And people either pushed the button or didn't push the button because they don't wanna confuse the game any more than it already is.Or maybe they want to avoid the debuffs that the button might give them?
I actually haven't been asked any questions yet.Its not really a questions per se, more like a contextless decision, I tried to supply you with what I think is the correct choice
Will get back to you on that.
I actually haven't been asked any questions yet.Its not really a questions per se, more like a contextless decision, I tried to supply you with what I think is the correct choice
Will get back to you on that.
Yeah I think Silver will message you about it whenever he wakes upI actually haven't been asked any questions yet.Its not really a questions per se, more like a contextless decision, I tried to supply you with what I think is the correct choice
Will get back to you on that.
But it is something I'll receive from Silver right? And it's not after night ends?
Yeah I think Silver will message you about it whenever he wakes upI actually haven't been asked any questions yet.Its not really a questions per se, more like a contextless decision, I tried to supply you with what I think is the correct choice
Will get back to you on that.
But it is something I'll receive from Silver right? And it's not after night ends?
Also you understand the message???
Minish I copied the player list to disguise who I wanted you to pick, there’s only one name on there that has a certain letter next to it!Yeah I think Silver will message you about it whenever he wakes upI actually haven't been asked any questions yet.Its not really a questions per se, more like a contextless decision, I tried to supply you with what I think is the correct choice
Will get back to you on that.
But it is something I'll receive from Silver right? And it's not after night ends?
Also you understand the message???
Oh that was much more ambiguous than I was expecting.
Do you want the top or the bottom?
Minish I copied the player list to disguise who I wanted you to pick, there’s only one name on there that has a certain letter next to it!not sure if I can also crack it but if it's what I think I see two names :glare:
Minish I copied the player list to disguise who I wanted you to pick, there’s only one name on there that has a certain letter next to it!Yeah I think Silver will message you about it whenever he wakes upI actually haven't been asked any questions yet.Its not really a questions per se, more like a contextless decision, I tried to supply you with what I think is the correct choice
Will get back to you on that.
But it is something I'll receive from Silver right? And it's not after night ends?
Also you understand the message???
Oh that was much more ambiguous than I was expecting.
Do you want the top or the bottom?
fudge he was a Lookout, hopefully that doesn't mean Watcher or similar since I kinda need one to not die to strongmen/roleblockers :surprisedpikachu:Hmm, I just realized the abbreviation "Ex" can be used for ExLight and Excalibur. :oyou can call me Light, it works too
we share a server...?fudge he was a Lookout, hopefully that doesn't mean Watcher or similar since I kinda need one to not die to strongmen/roleblockers :surprisedpikachu:Hmm, I just realized the abbreviation "Ex" can be used for ExLight and Excalibur. :oyou can call me Light, it works too
I realized that when people were calling you "Ex" in Discord lol.
No, but some people were excited that you were joining the WW game.we share a server...?fudge he was a Lookout, hopefully that doesn't mean Watcher or similar since I kinda need one to not die to strongmen/roleblockers :surprisedpikachu:Hmm, I just realized the abbreviation "Ex" can be used for ExLight and Excalibur. :oyou can call me Light, it works too
I realized that when people were calling you "Ex" in Discord lol.
No, but some people were excited that you were joining the WW game.oh?
@funnier6I can only use my abilities through a middle man D:<
Can you give me a hint on what's supposed to happen? It's fine if not. I'll trust you.
@funnier6I can only use my abilities through a middle man D:<
Can you give me a hint on what's supposed to happen? It's fine if not. I'll trust you.
It’s nothing crazy
Do you want the top or the bottom?O_O
Then Batma n started going after Ex again because he said his defense was contradictory (a few people asked how but afaik he never explained) and that's how votes switched to him.
Dead
Then Batma n started going after Ex again because he said his defense was contradictory (a few people asked how but afaik he never explained) and that's how votes switched to him.
Not to be rude, but I did explain my case multiple times, and I later switched off of him because I realized my reasoning had a few holes in it.
By abilities, do you mean effects?Assuming you're addressing my post, abilities = effects, yes - things like checking a person out for alignment, receiving information about a random player, voting twice et cetera.
Assuming you're addressing my post, abilities = effects, yes - things like checking a person out for alignment, receiving information about a random player, voting twice et cetera.Ok, I just wanted to make sure. If I'm understanding the rules correctly you can't personally activate the effects you want, rather a majority of voters have to vote to press the button which activates one effect.
Second sub of the day: @Weissreich will be replacing Mathyland
I’m here strictly for the memes, please don’t lynch me.
I haven’t really seen anyone particularly electric. I must say that the series of events here are only slightly shocking but I won’t sit idle, I’m positively ecstatic to hopefully live to pun another day!
And people either pushed the button or didn't push the button because they don't wanna confuse the game any more than it already is.Or maybe they want to avoid the debuffs that the button might give them?
Some effects grant abilities I'm fairly sure, thus the question about people only being able to ask Ruguo questions (like a Doctor 'defending' someone or a Seer 'scouting' someone) during night phase.Assuming you're addressing my post, abilities = effects, yes - things like checking a person out for alignment, receiving information about a random player, voting twice et cetera.Ok, I just wanted to make sure. If I'm understanding the rules correctly you can't personally activate the effects you want, rather a majority of voters have to vote to press the button which activates one effect.
Ask and ye shall receive :PSecond sub of the day: @Weissreich will be replacing Mathyland
Yay you gave me Weiss :D
This game was clearly designed for the button to be pressed multiple times and by bout pressing it we are wasting an important resource that the game creator intended to be used clearly.I am in agreement with you here (curse the no edits policy) - I think pushing the button is to our advantage, as some of those effects will force people's hands into action and likely help us determine more about who's who.
I mean we can continue to ignore the button and play vanilla werewolf but I kind of thought the point of portal themed werewolf was to actually use the portal theme.
Ask and ye shall receive :PSecond sub of the day: @Weissreich will be replacing Mathyland
Yay you gave me Weiss :D
Would I be right in saying that during the first day cycle (just completed), no one can activate abilities?It's certainly not unheard of to have daytime information roles, but it is uncommon, and Ruguo did say this in the OP:
6) During each night phase, Power Roles will send the Game Host a PM with their choices that night.So in the absence of a full roles list it might be good to assume that the main power roles only happen at night.
No, but some people were excited that you were joining the WW game.oh?
I'm famous? I have fans or something? that's kinda cute o///o
No, but some people were excited that you were joining the WW game.oh?
I'm famous? I have fans or something? that's kinda cute o///o
I may have gushed a bit when I heard you, Funnier and Minish were joining.
And by a bit, I really mean a lot.
All so that it'll hurt even more when he votes you off :pNo, but some people were excited that you were joining the WW game.oh?
I'm famous? I have fans or something? that's kinda cute o///o
I may have gushed a bit when I heard you, Funnier and Minish were joining.
And by a bit, I really mean a lot.
Aww shucks. :-[
Your aggressive attitude and ego honestly just make me want to lynch you more just to remove you from this game to be honest.Lynching people because they're obnoxious is a pitfall and a cop out that everybody does at some point. (The bad part is that he is not being all that obnoxious or aggressive here lol) I'll cede on the ego thing he's a lunatic. Anyway do try and be aware that lots of people are fundamentally going to be losers when playing mafia (not Ex he's a loser full time same as me but like me he's more lovable when not playing) anyway where was I going with this ah yes. Whether someone is a jerk isnt important its about whether they're scum. As long as no one is breaking any rules than you just have to deal with them, this isnt a charisma game where the most charming most friendly people win, it's about logic and deduction. Why am I going on such a tangent
Use that against me I honestly don't care but thisOh, well, this is getting out of hand.
I'm basically a 3-shot doctor, and my abilities include double voting or protecting two people in the same night.
maybe if I do like this people won't use the excuse that they missed my claim hmmm
Is obnoxious.
Your ego do be big bruh and the red font was pretty obnoxious even though I just rolled my eyes and kept scrollingYour aggressive attitude and ego honestly just make me want to lynch you more just to remove you from this game to be honest.How is was my attitude aggressive? His actions towards me pinged me as unnatural and offensive, am I supposed to not bite back if I consider the chance of him being scum slightly higher than any other players?
Use that against me I honestly don't care but this is obnoxious.
And I have no idea where "ego" is coming from, if there are any points you disagree you can just put them on the table and we'll discuss them politely. This is coming off as personal attacks to me specially since you don't know me.
Look, it's a 30p game; people WILL pretend they missed an important message to dummy avoid being scumread.
How do you know it's unfairly? If youre aware the reasoning you are using is wrong why continue to use it. Also you're literally making it rather personal with the "I dont care what alignment he is I just want to remove from the game". Like. Thats literally personal bruh. Thats how it works.Your aggressive attitude and ego honestly just make me want to lynch you more just to remove you from this game to be honest.I second this. I'm assuming ExLight is telling the truth, but the general unfriendliness and defensiveness is not worth keeping him around as a villager at this point.
People will accuse you unfairly of being a werewolf all the time in this game. Calling the rest of us "sheep" for it and taking the accusation personally is toxic.
Funnier 6 was killed last night, his role was Virtual Reality Assistance and Education Core, Command based robotohHere's some flavor for those who want itAs the night went on, cores grew restless, waiting for the turrets to make their attacks. Several of them huddled together, as if they were trying to protect eachother by staying together. A few cores heard the sounds of a turret firing, but by the time they arrived, there was nothing they could do. The claw removed the corpse of the Virtual Reality Assistance and Education Core to be reassembled in another room.
Day two will begin with this post and end in 48 hours at 7pm EST on april 29th.
The living:
@El Fiji Grande
@taulover
@Hydra
@xxurbanxx
@Red Mones
@lil g
@Barnes
@Pengu
@Doc
@Imaginative Kane
@Laurentus
@Sapphiron
@Wintermoot
@Crushita
@Gerrick
@ExLight
@Minish
@Arenado
@Madeline Norfolk
@Aragonn
@ogunbiyi6422
@Weisreich
@Excalibur
@Hapi Ever After
@Marzipan
@Charax
@William Rhys
The dead:
Batman, Killed D1
Funnier6, Killed N1
Heh. Too bad, funnier. Makes sense to kill you off though.
oh this is a hella weird pushHeh. Too bad, funnier. Makes sense to kill you off though.
Why's that? That's a bit of an odd thing to say since he never really came off as scum.
In fact, him, Ex, Minish, and Laurentus have all been pretty low on my scum list since, while sure, they've been a liitle aggressive, it just seems like their normal play style.
Your responses on the other hand right now are really questionable.
Huh? funnier's one of the best players here. Why wouldn't he be a target?Heh. Too bad, funnier. Makes sense to kill you off though.
Why's that? That's a bit of an odd thing to say since he never really came off as scum.
In fact, him, Ex, Minish, and Laurentus have all been pretty low on my scum list since, while sure, they've been a liitle aggressive, it just seems like their normal play style.
Your responses on the other hand right now are really questionable.
NOT FUNNIER DAMMIT
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Does anyone have any result that might help?
Red cop checks, results that saw anyone visiting funnier?
I'll reread some stuff from after I went to bed, but I'm kinda uncomfortable with Laurentus.
The other players are surprisingly hard to read due to the lack of experience.
I see Hapi changed the pfp to a turret, which is kind of a red flag because I've seen quite a few scum doing the "hiding in plain sight" shenanigan for fun. I was townreading them, so it for now it's not something that I'd bet a finger or two on, but still kinda annoying.
You're post doesn't make sense Pengu. Why would him not being scum affect it? Scum won't kill their own. Unless he was killed by a townie, a vig/vet/etc role. Why would you assume it was town that killed him? Unless you happen to know something.
Funnier 6 was killed last night, his role was Virtual Reality Assistance and Education Core, Command based robotWell damn. No explanation of Funnier's role this time? Or did we only get that last time because Batma n explicitly stated theirs?
HE says so himself?NOT FUNNIER DAMMIT
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Does anyone have any result that might help?
Red cop checks, results that saw anyone visiting funnier?
I'll reread some stuff from after I went to bed, but I'm kinda uncomfortable with Laurentus.
The other players are surprisingly hard to read due to the lack of experience.
I see Hapi changed the pfp to a turret, which is kind of a red flag because I've seen quite a few scum doing the "hiding in plain sight" shenanigan for fun. I was townreading them, so it for now it's not something that I'd bet a finger or two on, but still kinda annoying.
Laurentus is usually one of my first night scans if I'm in the appropriate power role. According to the answer I got back during the night (I'm the Jailer, so I also had to hold him for the night), he says he's an investigative role. With the way he's been playing so far, I'm inclined to believe it since he's usually an easier read when he's a bad guy.
Laurentus getting jailed doesn't mean another scumbud couldn't have performed the kill. I'd expect a bussable (weaker) scum to perform the kill, so that only means he couldn't've performed an action or be killed tonight.NOT FUNNIER DAMMIT
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Does anyone have any result that might help?
Red cop checks, results that saw anyone visiting funnier?
I'll reread some stuff from after I went to bed, but I'm kinda uncomfortable with Laurentus.
The other players are surprisingly hard to read due to the lack of experience.
I see Hapi changed the pfp to a turret, which is kind of a red flag because I've seen quite a few scum doing the "hiding in plain sight" shenanigan for fun. I was townreading them, so it for now it's not something that I'd bet a finger or two on, but still kinda annoying.
Laurentus is usually one of my first night scans if I'm in the appropriate power role. According to the answer I got back during the night (I'm the Jailer, so I also had to hold him for the night), he says he's an investigative role. With the way he's been playing so far, I'm inclined to believe it since he's usually an easier read when he's a bad guy.
Funnier was killed. I assumed he was killed by a wolf. Why would the wolves kill one of their own? That’s why it doesn’t make sense that him NOT being scum affects anything. Are you assuming he was killed by a town killing role?
How is it questionable? He was simply saying it made sense for the turrets to kill him in the night.Heh. Too bad, funnier. Makes sense to kill you off though.
Why's that? That's a bit of an odd thing to say since he never really came off as scum.
In fact, him, Ex, Minish, and Laurentus have all been pretty low on my scum list since, while sure, they've been a liitle aggressive, it just seems like their normal play style.
Your responses on the other hand right now are really questionable.
How is it questionable? He was simply saying it made sense for the turrets to kill him in the night.Heh. Too bad, funnier. Makes sense to kill you off though.
Why's that? That's a bit of an odd thing to say since he never really came off as scum.
In fact, him, Ex, Minish, and Laurentus have all been pretty low on my scum list since, while sure, they've been a liitle aggressive, it just seems like their normal play style.
Your responses on the other hand right now are really questionable.
Makes sense to kill you off though.
That's a bit of an odd thing to say since he never really came off as scum.Why would him not being scum have to do with anything?
Okay like seriously, can anyone get me a list of who here has never played mafia before and who here has played however many games pretty please it would help a lotI've only ever played friendly games IRL.
Hmmm, I meant "it makes sense for the wolves to kill off a good player". Did you interpret that differently? Maybe it's just a misunderstanding.
doesn’t matter now, he’s dead.Okay like seriously, can anyone get me a list of who here has never played mafia before and who here has played however many games pretty please it would help a lotI've only ever played friendly games IRL.
HE says so himself?NOT FUNNIER DAMMIT
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Does anyone have any result that might help?
Red cop checks, results that saw anyone visiting funnier?
I'll reread some stuff from after I went to bed, but I'm kinda uncomfortable with Laurentus.
The other players are surprisingly hard to read due to the lack of experience.
I see Hapi changed the pfp to a turret, which is kind of a red flag because I've seen quite a few scum doing the "hiding in plain sight" shenanigan for fun. I was townreading them, so it for now it's not something that I'd bet a finger or two on, but still kinda annoying.
Laurentus is usually one of my first night scans if I'm in the appropriate power role. According to the answer I got back during the night (I'm the Jailer, so I also had to hold him for the night), he says he's an investigative role. With the way he's been playing so far, I'm inclined to believe it since he's usually an easier read when he's a bad guy.
Oh the “Lol” was because he missed the fact he was dead. I didn’t mean anything by it.
Your aggressive attitude and ego honestly just make me want to lynch you more just to remove you from this game to be honest.Lynching people because they're obnoxious is a pitfall and a cop out that everybody does at some point. (The bad part is that he is not being all that obnoxious or aggressive here lol) I'll cede on the ego thing he's a lunatic. Anyway do try and be aware that lots of people are fundamentally going to be losers when playing mafia (not Ex he's a loser full time same as me but like me he's more lovable when not playing) anyway where was I going with this ah yes. Whether someone is a jerk isnt important its about whether they're scum. As long as no one is breaking any rules than you just have to deal with them, this isnt a charisma game where the most charming most friendly people win, it's about logic and deduction. Why am I going on such a tangent
Use that against me I honestly don't care but thisOh, well, this is getting out of hand.
I'm basically a 3-shot doctor, and my abilities include double voting or protecting two people in the same night.
maybe if I do like this people won't use the excuse that they missed my claim hmmm
Is obnoxious.
Anyway
He's not scum I dont think, and his behavior really isn't commentable
Also asking people to use it against you is annoying, like, just say what you think. It doesn't matter what gets "used against you". If youre town it doesnt matter literally at all anything you do because surviving this game is not your goal, it is to lynch scum and a large part of that is being as honest as possible
Andddd I cant seem to shut upYour ego do be big bruh and the red font was pretty obnoxious even though I just rolled my eyes and kept scrollingYour aggressive attitude and ego honestly just make me want to lynch you more just to remove you from this game to be honest.How is was my attitude aggressive? His actions towards me pinged me as unnatural and offensive, am I supposed to not bite back if I consider the chance of him being scum slightly higher than any other players?
Use that against me I honestly don't care but this is obnoxious.
And I have no idea where "ego" is coming from, if there are any points you disagree you can just put them on the table and we'll discuss them politely. This is coming off as personal attacks to me specially since you don't know me.
Look, it's a 30p game; people WILL pretend they missed an important message to dummy avoid being scumread.
Also bringing up personal attacks was dumbHow do you know it's unfairly? If youre aware the reasoning you are using is wrong why continue to use it. Also you're literally making it rather personal with the "I dont care what alignment he is I just want to remove from the game". Like. Thats literally personal bruh. Thats how it works.Your aggressive attitude and ego honestly just make me want to lynch you more just to remove you from this game to be honest.I second this. I'm assuming ExLight is telling the truth, but the general unfriendliness and defensiveness is not worth keeping him around as a villager at this point.
People will accuse you unfairly of being a werewolf all the time in this game. Calling the rest of us "sheep" for it and taking the accusation personally is toxic.
NOT FUNNIER DAMMIT
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Does anyone have any result that might help?
Red cop checks, results that saw anyone visiting funnier?
I'll reread some stuff from after I went to bed, but I'm kinda uncomfortable with Laurentus.
The other players are surprisingly hard to read due to the lack of experience.
I see Hapi changed the pfp to a turret, which is kind of a red flag because I've seen quite a few scum doing the "hiding in plain sight" shenanigan for fun. I was townreading them, so it for now it's not something that I'd bet a finger or two on, but still kinda annoying.
I'm still curious as to what the VR Education Bot role is/was.He role was Command Based Robot, as defined by MU here (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Command%20Based%20Robot)
So basically two of any power role per night? Damn.
I'm assuming you were asked the question Min? Anyway here you go
Dawcreek b
El Fiji Grande f
taulover k
Hydra l
xxurbanxx o
Red Mones w
Ender p
Barnes q
Pengu m
Doc e
Imaginative Kane s
Laurentus x
Sapphiron r
Wintermoot l
funnier6 a
Crushita n
Gerrick y
ExLight z
I think that ought to be pretty clear, what do you think?
Ohh, gotcha now.Minish I copied the player list to disguise who I wanted you to pick, there’s only one name on there that has a certain letter next to it!Oh that was much more ambiguous than I was expecting.Yeah I think Silver will message you about it whenever he wakes upBut it is something I'll receive from Silver right? And it's not after night ends?I actually haven't been asked any questions yet.Its not really a questions per se, more like a contextless decision, I tried to supply you with what I think is the correct choice
Will get back to you on that.
Also you understand the message???
Do you want the top or the bottom?
Sorry a little slow this morning. Haha.
Ahh, that's kinda cool. But I see why it took so long to understand your role now. Lol.@funnier6I can only use my abilities through a middle man D:<
Can you give me a hint on what's supposed to happen? It's fine if not. I'll trust you.
It’s nothing crazy
I'm still curious as to what the VR Education Bot role is/was.He role was Command Based Robot, as defined by MU here (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Command%20Based%20Robot)
NOT FUNNIER DAMMIT
agfdgdfhaaa
Does anyone have any result that might help?
Red cop checks, results that saw anyone visiting funnier?
I'll reread some stuff from after I went to bed, but I'm kinda uncomfortable with Laurentus.
The other players are surprisingly hard to read due to the lack of experience.
I see Hapi changed the pfp to a turret, which is kind of a red flag because I've seen quite a few scum doing the "hiding in plain sight" shenanigan for fun. I was townreading them, so it for now it's not something that I'd bet a finger or two on, but still kinda annoying.
Laurentus is usually one of my first night scans if I'm in the appropriate power role. According to the answer I got back during the night (I'm the Jailer, so I also had to hold him for the night), he says he's an investigative role. With the way he's been playing so far, I'm inclined to believe it since he's usually an easier read when he's a bad guy.
NOT FUNNIER DAMMIT
agfdgdfhaaa
Does anyone have any result that might help?
Red cop checks, results that saw anyone visiting funnier?
I'll reread some stuff from after I went to bed, but I'm kinda uncomfortable with Laurentus.
The other players are surprisingly hard to read due to the lack of experience.
I see Hapi changed the pfp to a turret, which is kind of a red flag because I've seen quite a few scum doing the "hiding in plain sight" shenanigan for fun. I was townreading them, so it for now it's not something that I'd bet a finger or two on, but still kinda annoying.
Laurentus is usually one of my first night scans if I'm in the appropriate power role. According to the answer I got back during the night (I'm the Jailer, so I also had to hold him for the night), he says he's an investigative role. With the way he's been playing so far, I'm inclined to believe it since he's usually an easier read when he's a bad guy.
My question is, why did you out his investigative power to the whole thread? You've now painted him as a target to scum. That, combined with what I've written in my notes (which is "Pengu - only a townread because of the avatar" and that's it) makes you suspicious to me. I don't really recall anything you did during Day 1 although I could reread if i really wanted to.
Actually i did a very small amount of research just before hitting post and i'm glad i did, you were the one who just left your vote on an inactive and bounced. were you at all involved in the exlight/aragorn conversation?
That I wasn't. Someone did a vote to another player to get their attention since they're usually active, and I decided to do the same for another usually active player. As far as the Ex/Ara back and forth, I wasn't involved in that one.can you answer my first question? why did you out laurentus' power? shouldn't it have been kept on the down low so he can do his thing without fear of getting targeted by scum?
Katie/Batma n: 1 (Pengu)you posted plenty of times after this vote count was posted. convenient to say you assumed it didn't count. (let me know if this is a cultural difference but where i'm from, a vote counts for the slot and not the player themselves)
I will say this is a bit different since there's so many new players in this game, even ones who were already members here. As far as the older players though, so far they've all been as active as I'd expect them to be in a normal game, and none in particular have set off any bells so far. Even defensiveness from some of the players comes off as pretty legit since I've seen it in past games when they were the same and proved to be innocent.i went through and this is really the most relevant thing you had to say about the state of the game. you remained extremely neutral throughout the course of the day. I find this suspicious as well.
This is going to be one of those times where I'll have to comb through the thread and really see if anything in particular sticks out. But on a general peruse, so far nothing seems out of the ordinary.
So, since you assumed your vote didn't count, why were you content to let your vote slip off Katie while saying that not voting is incredibly suspicious?Also remember guys according to rule four you can simply nit vote so you guys trying to vote random to save your no lynch dont need to
True, but choosing to just not vote, especially in a game that requires a minimum of 2 posts per day to ensure that you're a part of it, is incredibly suspicious. It'd be one thing if you accidentally missed a day, but when you're required to post to ensure activity, it just comes off as odd that you wouldn't vote just to avoid using your "No Lynch" vote.
Not sure. I don’t think we’ve had such a big game where we’ve had to deal with subs.
you posted plenty of times after this vote count was posted. convenient to say you assumed it didn't count. (let me know if this is a cultural difference but where i'm from, a vote counts for the slot and not the player themselves)
Laurentus kind of “admitted” to being an investigative role with his “I’m a little annoyed” post. So this confirms pengu is town or, they’re both scum and protecting each other. I don’t see how you can say Pengu is suspicious for outing lau’s role when that confirms he IS the jailer (or like i said, they’re both scum)I will admit i forgot laurentus already claimed. that's my bad. I think the other half of my case is fairly solid tho wink
I will admit i forgot laurentus already claimed. that's my bad. I think the other half of my case is fairly solid tho winkRuguo left us in the dark concerning the roles on purpose, so I can’t tell.
Also am I wrong in thinking that jailer can be a scum role? Maybe it works differently here because i didn't think jailers could speak to their target.
Hmm.No, I protected my own ass because I thought scum would come after me since the watcher died.
@ExLight, did you protect Funnier?
Also, guys, please refrain from posting exact details about your night actions as far as possible.^^^^^^this (granted, i'm a person who hates pointless roleclaims in general)
You can use it when the time is right, for example when you can out someone's lies and help us lynch particularly tricky scum.
Scum is almost guaranteed to plan their own night actions around every piece of info they gain about our roles.
Also where’s @taulover and @Hydra?I've been around, mostly reading and trying to wrap my head around everything. It always takes a while for things to start clicking in my brain and to form actual suspicions for these Werewolf games, and with 30 players, that's just making it all the more difficult to keep track of all that's going on.
Also, guys, please refrain from posting exact details about your night actions as far as possible.Also, games with roleclaims are still so weird for me since most of the ones I've played on Wintreath usually don't allow them. :P
You can use it when the time is right, for example when you can out someone's lies and help us lynch particularly tricky scum.
Scum is almost guaranteed to plan their own night actions around every piece of info they gain about our roles.
I think we should focus more on the quieter players. I think this Pengu train we are rolling on now screams of the same town vs town attack ExLight v Aragonn did.I doubt that the entirety of the scum team is lurking, but half or so potentially could be. Eventually the host is going to run out of replacements though. Maybe players will start posting upon threat of modkill.
If I were wolf I'd be playing quiet and letting the noisy players eat each other up while picking up the scraps.
I'm largely focused on Madeline, Moot, Aren, Urban, god actually looking at the list there's a LOOOOOT.
Also where’s @taulover and @Hydra?I've been around, mostly reading and trying to wrap my head around everything. It always takes a while for things to start clicking in my brain and to form actual suspicions for these Werewolf games, and with 30 players, that's just making it all the more difficult to keep track of all that's going on.Also, guys, please refrain from posting exact details about your night actions as far as possible.Also, games with roleclaims are still so weird for me since most of the ones I've played on Wintreath usually don't allow them. :P
You can use it when the time is right, for example when you can out someone's lies and help us lynch particularly tricky scum.
Scum is almost guaranteed to plan their own night actions around every piece of info they gain about our roles.
I think we should focus more on the quieter players. I think this Pengu train we are rolling on now screams of the same town vs town attack ExLight v Aragonn did.I doubt that the entirety of the scum team is lurking, but half or so potentially could be. Eventually the host is going to run out of replacements though. Maybe players will start posting upon threat of modkill.
If I were wolf I'd be playing quiet and letting the noisy players eat each other up while picking up the scraps.
I'm largely focused on Madeline, Moot, Aren, Urban, god actually looking at the list there's a LOOOOOT.
May still be helpful for those unfamiliar with Wintreath's meta.doesn’t matter now, he’s dead.Okay like seriously, can anyone get me a list of who here has never played mafia before and who here has played however many games pretty please it would help a lotI've only ever played friendly games IRL.
*yawns and walks out of bed*
I can do this now yes?
Vote: Push the Button
Let's play a game. :P
My opinion on pushing the button has not changed. I wish to Push the Button.
Forgot about the button. I want to try these new mechanics Ruguo has blessed us with and i think it’ll give us information. Vote: Press the ButtonThe OP says that button push votes are cumulative across days. I don't think you need to revote if you've already voted to push the button and want to keep it that way.
OOF I'M GONNA GO BALLISTIC it logged me out mid post i am peeved. i'll try to recreate the exact post lmaoAh yeah I remember that happening back in the day. Lost a few good RP posts when I used to do things on school computers. Always check "stay logged in" when you log in on Wintreath, otherwise that will happen with some regularity.
It would be nice to hear more of your suspicions that way they can be evaluated. You have been pretty quiet which is definitely not a good sign if previous games are taken into consideration.Also where’s @taulover and @Hydra?I've been around, mostly reading and trying to wrap my head around everything. It always takes a while for things to start clicking in my brain and to form actual suspicions for these Werewolf games, and with 30 players, that's just making it all the more difficult to keep track of all that's going on.
Just out of curiosity, who are some of those active players that have since quieted down Hapi?I think we should focus more on the quieter players. I think this Pengu train we are rolling on now screams of the same town vs town attack ExLight v Aragonn did.I doubt that the entirety of the scum team is lurking, but half or so potentially could be. Eventually the host is going to run out of replacements though. Maybe players will start posting upon threat of modkill.
If I were wolf I'd be playing quiet and letting the noisy players eat each other up while picking up the scraps.
I'm largely focused on Madeline, Moot, Aren, Urban, god actually looking at the list there's a LOOOOOT.
Agreed. Though if the whole team realized how quick we were at each others throat its possible they might quiet down and let things play out.
Players who started vocal and have since quieted down are also a concern.
Y'all more experienced than me so if a while wolf team flying on the DL is unreasonable my bad. Its just what I would do.
Mathy quit and was replaced by the dino person (lil g) :P I think.Correct, it was me.
Or Weiss. One of them.
Katie/Batma n: 1 (Pengu)you posted plenty of times after this vote count was posted. convenient to say you assumed it didn't count. (let me know if this is a cultural difference but where i'm from, a vote counts for the slot and not the player themselves)I will say this is a bit different since there's so many new players in this game, even ones who were already members here. As far as the older players though, so far they've all been as active as I'd expect them to be in a normal game, and none in particular have set off any bells so far. Even defensiveness from some of the players comes off as pretty legit since I've seen it in past games when they were the same and proved to be innocent.i went through and this is really the most relevant thing you had to say about the state of the game. you remained extremely neutral throughout the course of the day. I find this suspicious as well.
This is going to be one of those times where I'll have to comb through the thread and really see if anything in particular sticks out. But on a general peruse, so far nothing seems out of the ordinary.So, since you assumed your vote didn't count, why were you content to let your vote slip off Katie while saying that not voting is incredibly suspicious?Also remember guys according to rule four you can simply nit vote so you guys trying to vote random to save your no lynch dont need to
True, but choosing to just not vote, especially in a game that requires a minimum of 2 posts per day to ensure that you're a part of it, is incredibly suspicious. It'd be one thing if you accidentally missed a day, but when you're required to post to ensure activity, it just comes off as odd that you wouldn't vote just to avoid using your "No Lynch" vote.
Lol why wouldn't you reveal role effects?
OOF I'M GONNA GO BALLISTIC it logged me out mid post i am peeved. i'll try to recreate the exact post lmao
since laurentus asked, i played for a few years on zd, then fell off the wagon. i came back recently and have been playing very sporadically. (laurentus i believe we've played together before?)
i'm currently townreading barnes, laurentus, ex, minish, and hapi.
I have suspicions of varying degrees on the following players (some of these are just copy/pasted from my notes, sorry if they're difficult to read):
Sapphiron - said to be experienced. hopped in, didn't vote and instead voted to push the button.
Wintermoot - took no stance on EOD1 wagons. voted someone with no votes instead. potential distancing but that's based on nothing
El Fiji Grande - voted ex with no explanation and then dipped
Madeline Norfolk - posted nothing that actually contributes to the game. recently has said "don't lynch me i'm just here for memes" which reads to me as "help this is my first game and i rolled scum"
Red Mones - iirc there were pings throughout D1 but i didn't write them down (they must not have been very important lol). what i'm most interested in is what i perceived as a small "panic" (exaggeration on my part) when two people voted for them. this one isn't as strong as the others and i probably wouldn't pursue them today, but they're definitely on my radar.
Pengu - i've already laid out m'case
Everyone else didn't strike me. I ought to reread, but Effort™. also i think Ex vs aragorn was town vs town probably.Also, guys, please refrain from posting exact details about your night actions as far as possible.^^^^^^this (granted, i'm a person who hates pointless roleclaims in general)
You can use it when the time is right, for example when you can out someone's lies and help us lynch particularly tricky scum.
Scum is almost guaranteed to plan their own night actions around every piece of info they gain about our roles.
Huh, I only just noticed that Mathyland is no longer on the player list. Surprised there wasn't a post about that.Mathy quit and was replaced by the dino person (lil g) :P I think.Correct, it was me.
Or Weiss. One of them.
I have played games where a wolf can have power roles such as Jailer, so neither Pengu's claim nor Lau's confirmation necessarily prove their innocence as townies in a game this complex.
EFG's vote-then-duck is also somewhat suspicious.
For the most part I'm still settling in and reading through the thread to get a better idea of how this game is going to play out.
I also Vote: Push the Button.
Funnier did choose me as the middleman for his role. I only got a message saying to choose someone. Funnier's cryptic post was saying he wanted me to choose Laurentus, so that's what I did. No clue what affect it had though. But if jailer works here how I'm used to it probably wouldn't have mattered anyways since Laurentus couldn't be targetted while in jail.That is an interesting possibility: scum jailors. My only experience with jailors is from Town of Salem where they are always on the Town's side. I don't think there has been any jailors in any Werewolf games here but that makes sense that there could be evil jailors in other games. I am seeing enough good points made about Pengu that I am suspicious but not enough to vote yet.
As for the jailer claim, it is a bit odd that you outed both yourself and Laurentus. I'm not doubting the claim itself as it seems to check out. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's town. I dunno about here, but jailer can be a scum role. Hell, I've been a scum jailer. So I'm skeptical of Pengu for how he's gone about things. I think LG has composed a pretty decent case on him. And I feeling good about her right now, she's looking pretty townie to me. Since she usually is less assertive as scum. Though I have the slightest hesitancy since she did play a great scum game recently. But under these circumstances I'm really liking her entry into the game and she's giving me LG scum hunting vibes.
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I am also starting to wonder about Arenado because although they are usually somewhat quiet in games of Werewolf, they seem to have been even quieter than usual in this game.
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I am also starting to wonder about Arenado because although they are usually somewhat quiet in games of Werewolf, they seem to have been even quieter than usual in this game.
*shrugs* first time I'm on the chipping block y'all gonna know everything about me >:Dyou say that but you didn't spill the beans even when you almost got lynched last phase
Welp, that escalated quickly. But since I already outted my role, I should just come out and clarify that no, I'm not a Scum Jailer. One of my effects (the Blue Gel one) gives me clues about who a Turret may be during nights when it's activated, so I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be the Scum's favorite person.What? How is this in any way related to what the Blue Gel does according to the OP?
But if jailer works here how I'm used to it probably wouldn't have mattered anyways since Laurentus couldn't be targetted while in jail.It seems like it's the chat variant since Pengu got to talk to him and figure out he had an investigative role.
Welp, that escalated quickly. But since I already outted my role, I should just come out and clarify that no, I'm not a Scum Jailer. One of my effects (the Blue Gel one) gives me clues about who a Turret may be during nights when it's activated, so I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be the Scum's favorite person.What? How is this in any way related to what the Blue Gel does according to the OP?But if jailer works here how I'm used to it probably wouldn't have mattered anyways since Laurentus couldn't be targetted while in jail.It seems like it's the chat variant since Pengu got to talk to him and figure out he had an investigative role.
@Pengu
was Laurentus immune to all kinds of night actions the night you jailed him or just kills?
All I'm saying is, if Pengu is a scum jailor, he can out somebody and let the wolves kill his target the next night to make it seem like he's a townie jailor.
But also Laurentus could be a scum seer because I've seen those before. The wolves could target Pengu instead or start up a bandwagon on him.
But also Laurentus could be a scum seer because I've seen those before. The wolves could target Pengu instead or start up a bandwagon on him.Rolecop, right? Alignment cop for scum sounds kinda useless the game is full of indepts or has like a cult. And Laurentus was jailed, he wouldn't be able to use his role if he really is a scum investigative unless they have another one who coincidentally targeted Pengu, so that's a kinda flawed logic point imo
How exactly is it flawed? If the wolves are paying attention, which I always assume that they are, they'll have seen Pengu out himself as a jailor. You don't need a rolecop to scan the guy when he openly tells everyone what he is.But also Laurentus could be a scum seer because I've seen those before. The wolves could target Pengu instead or start up a bandwagon on him.Rolecop, right? Alignment cop for scum sounds kinda useless the game is full of indepts or has like a cult. And Laurentus was jailed, he wouldn't be able to use his role if he really is a scum investigative unless they have another one who coincidentally targeted Pengu, so that's a kinda flawed logic point imo
How exactly is it flawed? If the wolves are paying attention, which I always assume that they are, they'll have seen Pengu out himself as a jailor. You don't need a rolecop to scan the guy when he openly tells everyone what he is.oh I see what you mean
but why would they do that instead of just leaving him around since he's more likely to disrupt townStatistically, yes. But also it's Pengu. The guy isn't an idiot. And if we get blue gel from pushing the button, according to his claim, he can out a wolf. That makes him a liability. If the wolves leave him alone, they're probably going to regret it later.
they didn't have a way of knowing about the blue thing thoughbut why would they do that instead of just leaving him around since he's more likely to disrupt townStatistically, yes. But also it's Pengu. The guy isn't an idiot. And if we get blue gel from pushing the button, according to his claim, he can out a wolf. That makes him a liability. If the wolves leave him alone, they're probably going to regret it later.
but why would they do that instead of just leaving him around since he's more likely to disrupt townStatistically, yes. But also it's Pengu. The guy isn't an idiot. And if we get blue gel from pushing the button, according to his claim, he can out a wolf. That makes him a liability. If the wolves leave him alone, they're probably going to regret it later.
But also Laurentus could be a scum seer because I've seen those before. The wolves could target Pengu instead or start up a bandwagon on him.
All I'm saying is, if Pengu is a scum jailor, he can out somebody and let the wolves kill his target the next night to make it seem like he's a townie jailor.
All I'm saying is, if Pengu is a scum jailor, he can out somebody and let the wolves kill his target the next night to make it seem like he's a townie jailor.
Oh my! Lau, I am not sure what you were expecting me to contribute on the first day phase. There's little information in the past 10 pages beyond arguments surrounding personalities. And I am not going to meta-game, especially not at this point, since I have not played Werewolf for a while now and not completely familiar (if at all) with every participant's play style. Everyone is just taking a shot in the dark, voting and unvoting, and I am certainly not going to jump ExLight's wagon for his antagonistic play style. Then again, you probably voted for me so that I will talk more, and if so you did achieve that. :o In fact, I have more trust in a Lau that would lynch me on D1 than a Lau that blindly trusts me, which usually turns out to be Wolf rather than Seer so.
Anyway, let's get the button pressed guys :D
Any doctors/protectors who have not outed themselves could defend these people. I've as much a possibility of coordinating town as I have scum and possibly in the process lives get saved. Although nobody actually needs me to think aloud like this...Yeah, but who knows how many doctors/protectors we have? They can only save so many people.
Huh, I only just noticed that Mathyland is no longer on the player list. Surprised there wasn't a post about that.There was a post when Weiss replaced Mathy. There was also one about LG replacing Ender if you missed that one.
Any doctors/protectors who have not outed themselves could defend these people. I've as much a possibility of coordinating town as I have scum and possibly in the process lives get saved. Although nobody actually needs me to think aloud like this...
Amusingly, since this is the one that I said would give me clues to turrets, I'm going to avoid pressing it for now.it's almost like they're in the order in the OP and that you realized that right
Amusingly, since this is the one that I said would give me clues to turrets, I'm going to avoid pressing it for now.it's almost like they're in the order in the OP and that you realized that right
:glare:
I'm going to assume that we don't know the full number of effects...
it's almost like they're in the order in the OP...
And unfortunately I don't get to be privy as to what the person jailed is immune to. I just know that their own actions are blocked while they're jailed...at least in the normal non-button altered setting.you don't know what your own role does? ask in your dm :glare:
Huh.it says randomly recast, so I'm assuming it refers to the lynch votes
I wonder whether the blue bouncy gel inverts the action of every fifth vote. If it does, then maybe phrasing every fifth vote as "I vote not to push the button" would actually push the button.
Also, @Ruguo, could we get an updated player list in the OP with subs and deaths? That would really make it easier to keep track of all the players. Thanks!
Just out of curiosity, who are some of those active players that have since quieted down Hapi?@Hapi Seems like you avoided this question. Care to elaborate?
Also, @Ruguo, could we get an updated player list in the OP with subs and deaths? That would really make it easier to keep track of all the players. Thanks!Thanks for updating OP and EoN posts! Is it safe to assume that Daw isn't receiving a sub?
Done. I also do updated lists on every EoN post.
Thanks for updating OP and EoN posts. Is it safe to assume Daw isn't receiving a sub?
Tomorrow at 7 EST. So 29ish hours?53, no? we have 3 irl days each Day Phase
Tomorrow at 7 EST. So 29ish hours?53, no? we have 3 irl days each Day Phase
1) The first Day Phase will be 72 hours. Each Day Phase afterward will be 48 hours, with each night phase being 24 hours. Phases will start and end in Eastern Standard Time. At the end of each Day Phase, the night phase will immediately start when the results from the Day Phase are posted, the same goes for the Night Phase.
There is an ongoing attempt to replace daw. Should this fail, his slot will be modkilled with the rest of the inactivity kills during this next night phase.Oof, that's gonna be like a lot.
Blue Bouncy Gel: Actions this round may become jumbled. Every fifth vote will be randomly recast. Yes, this action effect can be negated with a little problem solving.Do "actions" not include role abilities during the night phase?
Right now I'm noticing some super interactions with Hapi and Pengu and it's making me a bit uncomfortable
I wouldn't mind getting Pengu lynched based on his actions like roleblocking a potentially strong town player and outing their kind of role. And if Pengu flips scum I wouldn't going after Hapi to see what they have in their defense.
you say that but you didn't spill the beans even when you almost got lynched last phase
What happened to us not liking tit-for-tat voting?
Just out of curiosity, who are some of those active players that have since quieted down Hapi?@Hapi Seems like you avoided this question. Care to elaborate?
Anyway, I'll hold off on my lynch vote for now and see how things play out.
Goodness go to sleep and wake up to so many pages 😭
I’m shocked to be considered suspicious, I’m not saying I am scum, but I’m saying if I were scum it would be a lot easier to chit chat than being this goofy jester. Luckily I didn’t bounce into anyone last night!
Okay breaking down what’s going on, we got some folks trying to find the scum, some folks being achy breaky salty because personalities, and a lot of folks probably staring at walls because they just woke up to a lot of text!
Did I miss anything?
Oh I’m just gonna Push the button then do my vote later after I break down more of these walls readies pickaxe and silly string
To your first point: This is literally the first Wintreath game we've had with replacements. I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but we're lucky if we even get 20 interested players normally, let alone 30 plus so far 4 replacements.I think we might have had replacements for modkills, but otherwise yeah.
That being the case, I'm used to the votes being for the player since it's normally only been the player and not a replacement for said player.
I think Hydra being quiet is somewhat NAI. He's usually that way unless he actually has something important to say, from what I've seen.It would be nice to hear more of your suspicions that way they can be evaluated. You have been pretty quiet which is definitely not a good sign if previous games are taken into consideration.Also where’s @taulover and @Hydra?I've been around, mostly reading and trying to wrap my head around everything. It always takes a while for things to start clicking in my brain and to form actual suspicions for these Werewolf games, and with 30 players, that's just making it all the more difficult to keep track of all that's going on.
That is an interesting possibility: scum jailors. My only experience with jailors is from Town of Salem where they are always on the Town's side. I don't think there has been any jailors in any Werewolf games here but that makes sense that there could be evil jailors in other games. I am seeing enough good points made about Pengu that I am suspicious but not enough to vote yet.I think we've had role negators in the past, as a neutral role maybe?
@Ruguo do the Button effects go in the order of the OP or are they random? You said that the effect is "rolled" which implies randomness, but I would like clarification because people seem to be acting otherwise.
I'll respond with Vote: Laurentus. I feel like somebody doesn't like me scratching a particular itch.
Hello, I'm here, just lurking.Alternatively, you could help the game progress and help figure out who's scum.
I could do that, or I can Push the button.The two aren't mutually exclusive. You could vote for a player as well as push the button. There are plenty of options! And some good ones are already being voted for, wink
Hello, I'm here, just lurking.cool what do you think about me and about the whole aragonn vs lau thing
I'll respond with Vote: Laurentus. I feel like somebody doesn't like me scratching a particular itch.
Vote: aragonn
i don't like this tit for tat. from the way he's been playing, Laurentus an obvious townread to me.
is this the vote that's going to be recast???? let's test it 8) if you do not risk it then you will get no biscuit.
would like to mention i can be talked off the aragonn wagon because i am also very interested in a sapphiron vote
@Laurentus I'll take my finger off the nuke button if you do.We've already had our bout, now I'm trying to diffuse the situation. I haven't heard from him in a good while though.
The cultural difference of what roles are based on just the role name is going to become a fucking pain isn't it?The only real named roles you're going to be seeing from us (as in this community) are the Werewolf roles of Wolf (Mafia), Seer (Cop), Defender (Doctor), and Villager (Town). If I were to go onto a Mafia forum and play there, I would expect to use the terminology there. Likewise, I hope you can respect that we happen to use sightly different terminology for these few core roles in our corner of the Internet.
Can we use Mafiascum's definition of what each role is instead?
And if someone claims roles please claim the whole thing in detail so we don't get the wrong ideas on what might be what
OMGUS vote(
If you're talking about the role names that Ruguo is giving, then I'm not sure what those are either. I've just been googling but that's not always clear sometimes.(Batma n was the Adventure Sphere, that's just Rick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmgdtuufi7c). Don't know the other though.)
(Batma n was the Adventure Sphere, that's just Rick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmgdtuufi7c). Don't know the other though.)I mean the mechanical role, not the themed one.
Tl;dr I doubt he's giving much thought to the game, which IMO, I perfectly get because the rapid pace of posting in this thread is sort of making me avoidant too, which isn't helped by fairly heavy use of jargon and the occasional naked hostility.
Like, I get that the hostility and button-pushing is part of some people's playstyle, but it just makes me think of playing a shooter and having a twelve-year-old scream FAAAAAAAAG into my ear; it's not the same thing but it's comparable, and I neither need nor want that in my life.)
I am using as much jargon as possible to help people here prepare for stuff like the MU champs, because I was exhausted trying to figure this shit out back then, while simultaneously trying to do well.
I think I may have made a mistake and over-reacted. I still don't like your OMGUS vote, but that's just your style at this point. I will vote: Sapphiron as he has still not become more involved, well into D2, and Hydra has since provided a more detailed reads list.are these votes based on meta or something
I am also not liking Aren's votes, but he always has a weird style in these games.
was there a situation to diffuse? i voted you because i thought you were acting suspicious, and i assume that's what laurentus did as well. i still think you're suspicious for the immediate jump on your accuser. with the claim (and my personal townread of him), it's unthinkable to me that you could even consider voting for that slot.I'll respond with Vote: Laurentus. I feel like somebody doesn't like me scratching a particular itch.
Vote: aragonn
i don't like this tit for tat. from the way he's been playing, Laurentus an obvious townread to me.
is this the vote that's going to be recast???? let's test it 8) if you do not risk it then you will get no biscuit.would like to mention i can be talked off the aragonn wagon because i am also very interested in a sapphiron vote@Laurentus I'll take my finger off the nuke button if you do.We've already had our bout, now I'm trying to diffuse the situation. I haven't heard from him in a good while though.
I think I may have made a mistake and over-reacted. I still don't like your OMGUS vote, but that's just your style at this point. I will vote: Sapphiron as he has still not become more involved, well into D2, and Hydra has since provided a more detailed reads list.are these votes based on meta or something
I am also not liking Aren's votes, but he always has a weird style in these games.
I was starting to townread you because I was assuming that you staying away from the action D1 was so you looked a bit scummier due to your now outed investigative role, but now I'm a bit confused as to why you're still poking the Sapph route again
Okay to respond to observations of me joining in only to “push the button” or “defend myself”, I don’t see any difference between how I behaved and those who voted and then unvoted due to D1 randomness / tit for tat.the difference between you and the people who voted during day 1.... is that they voted. most of those people that you listed were trying to solve the game, that's the whole reason for voting. you didn't insert any opinion on anything at all, you didn't even comment on the state of the game if i remember correctly. but conveniently, you were around right when laurentus mentioned you. The post you've done here is good, i'll admit, but it doesn't erase everything that came before.
Holy moly it's back to me again.blame Lau for loving going after you
(...)
'Batma n votes for and removes vote from ExLight (2)
- Dead (ignore)'
the difference between you and the people who voted during day 1.... is that they voted. most of those people that you listed were trying to solve the game, that's the whole reason for voting. you didn't insert any opinion on anything at all, you didn't even comment on the state of the game if i remember correctly. but conveniently, you were around right when laurentus mentioned you. The post you've done here is good, i'll admit, but it doesn't erase everything that came before.It isn't convenient that I was around when Lau mentioned me. I have been roaming around, reading through the posts. As you can see from my analysis, with most of the posts revolving around personality conflict (which is at least 10+ pages), I don't really see the need to jump in and add to the confusion. And regarding limelight, it's just not my play style to steer public opinion until I am to a certain degree confident a particular player is a Wolf. And pretty sure if I overtly try to prove myself as a town before there are actual votes just gonna increase suspicion on my behaviour. But I can see your point of view, considering how you probably played in games where every town participate actively throughout.
anyway that's the difference, they were around putting themselves in the limelight and when you were around you weren't trying to solve anything
And I don't agree with just dismissing the dead's votes like since it's coming from a honest place, unless you have another reason for thatI am not dismissive of the dead's votes. It's just that the point of my vote pattern analysis at this point is just focused on who among the living has been more suspicious, not gathering additional info from the dead.
We're still friends, Sapph. :))Boo >:D
I immediately jumped on him because I happened to be looking at the thread at the time. Also I was getting flashbacks from last game when he jumped on me D2. He was a wolf then, and a pretty convincing one too. But this isn't last game.was there a situation to diffuse? i voted you because i thought you were acting suspicious, and i assume that's what laurentus did as well. i still think you're suspicious for the immediate jump on your accuser. with the claim (and my personal townread of him), it's unthinkable to me that you could even consider voting for that slot.I'll respond with Vote: Laurentus. I feel like somebody doesn't like me scratching a particular itch.
Vote: aragonn
i don't like this tit for tat. from the way he's been playing, Laurentus an obvious townread to me.
is this the vote that's going to be recast???? let's test it 8) if you do not risk it then you will get no biscuit.would like to mention i can be talked off the aragonn wagon because i am also very interested in a sapphiron vote@Laurentus I'll take my finger off the nuke button if you do.We've already had our bout, now I'm trying to diffuse the situation. I haven't heard from him in a good while though.
One of the main things I look for in Laurentus to tell if he's scum is if he's targeting other members of House Valeria. That would be me, Hydra, and Tau. So far he's cast suspicion on us all and even thrown a vote in my direction. I'm not taking hard action against him because he's not pressing so hard and all the town reads y'all are getting from him, but I don't trust him.What does that make Pengu, Marzipan, Arenado, and Hapi if you, Hydra, Tau, and Laurentus are the members of House Valeria? :o
It's also worth noting that the Bouncy Blue Gel is in effect. Assuming that votes remain cast in order, with vote changes only amending the target and not moving that vote to most recent vote position (which seems to be the case from Ruguo's posts);I am thinking the Gel effect would apply to every fifth vote after the effect is applied. If that is the case than the vote order is:
Vote 1: Barnes -> PENGU
Vote 2: Lau -> ARAGONNVote 3: Ara -> LAURENTUS
Vote 4: Gerrick -> SAPPHIRON
VOTE 5: Kane -> ARENADO
Vote 6: Mones -> PENGU
Vote 7: Doc -> GERRICK
Vote 8: Lil g -> ARAGONN
Vote 9: Hapi -> ARENADO
VOTE 10: Sapphiron -> RED MONES
Vote 11: Minish ->RED MONES
With Aragonn removing his vote, the fifth vote is Mones for Pengu and the tenth is Minish for Mones.
Oh shi- I think I misunderstood something.Yeah gel related effects only affect your ability or action if that gel is in effect at the time you act.
So you need a gel to be in effect from the button to use your corresponding ability? ???
Ok, allow me to explain why exactly I've been more quiet this game.
I literally have no idea what my role is and what my abilities are. I'm not kidding and that will make more sense post game, trust me.
As such, I have no idea what I should be doing. I'm having a hard time following what's going on when I go to sleep and wake up to close to 20 pages to read through. I'm kinda being turned off by the outright belligerence and hostility from some players which makes it difficult for me to ask for help.
I'm pretty sure I'm a townie but, to be entirely honest, I'm also pretty sure I'm not going to be all that helpful since I'm basically running totally blind and being buried under a deluge of information. If you want to lynch me because of that, fine, go right ahead, but you'll be disappointed.
People in danger of being modkilled: (Final Warning: If you need help, ask for it. I'm here, we've got experienced players here, ask them to ask you questions if you need somewhere to start.)@Ruguo - this has been a super-busy week for me. On track to work 60 hours this week, and when I come home, I lack the energy to read through dozens of pages of posts. I apologize, but feel free to reassign my role.
@El Fiji Grande
@Arenado
@William Rhys
@xxurbanxx
@Crushita
@ogunbiyi6422
There are 20.5 hours left in the day phase.
slapping my rainbow list here too for nowOh god those bright fonts :P
I'm sorry, I keep forgetting Valeria expanded to include more people.One of the main things I look for in Laurentus to tell if he's scum is if he's targeting other members of House Valeria. That would be me, Hydra, and Tau. So far he's cast suspicion on us all and even thrown a vote in my direction. I'm not taking hard action against him because he's not pressing so hard and all the town reads y'all are getting from him, but I don't trust him.What does that make Pengu, Marzipan, Arenado, and Hapi if you, Hydra, Tau, and Laurentus are the members of House Valeria? :o
Hmmm, I think it's important to note that no one from here in Wintreath aside from Sapphiron really thinks I'm particularly suspicious (other than Hydra who said my playstyle was easy to hide behind). Seems like if Sapphiron was scum, I'm an easy lynch target to get behind because of Minish's initial vote. I'm switching my vote to Sapphiron. (Also @Ruguo I think you missed my vote for Pengu in your count)Ewww please don't hide your "tit for tat" argumentation under the guise of "no one from here in Wintreath". ::) If you really wanted to properly discuss, please address the accusations people who have voted for you have raised (including myself). ^-^
Ewww please don't hide your "tit for tat" argumentation under the guise of "no one from here in Wintreath". ::) If you really wanted to properly discuss, please address the accusations people who have voted for you have raised (including myself). ^-^All you said was I was "behaving oddly" based on my D1 actions, which I've already explained.
Red Mones has been behaving as erratically as I have become accustomed to, but at the same time, he doesn't usually register on my scum radar even when he is scum. I think the only time I have lynched him as scum was not because of a meta lynch, but because it was the only logical choice left. My gut says he's town, but my gut hardly ever reads him as anything else.I think that's because I've only ever been a wolf once (if I remember correctly, it was that one time it was me, Doc, and someone else, don't emember who) so you only know me as town because I've only ever been town. Although technically that means the chances of me being wolf in a game go up after each town game, not really helping my case here though :P
No, that is the one where you were teamed with Doc, and the one where I led the lynch against you.Ah, ok. I was so goddamn close! IIRC, if you had lynched the wrong target, I would've gotten my night kill, and won. I think all the defenders were dead at that point?
Haha, I tried to lynch you in the previous day phase already, and I made an iron-clad argument too, only for Town to follow their own goddamned path and lynch someone completely unrelated while I was sleeping. Good times.Yes! It's all coming back to me now. After that I thought I had a shot at winning, but yeah, after that I was the only logical choice.
Oh, god, I am becoming sentimental. I don't like this.
Okay I was offline for a few days.... am I still needed here?I dragged them.
Also hey Ex whatre you doing here?
I guess I gotta explain my weird thought process. How do I articulate this...
The way I go about figuring out who is scummy is by taking the night targets and creating projections of possible future targets based on perceived patterns then taking the expanded lists of night targets and rating them for how probable they would be to come to reality followed by taking the most probable one and cross referencing it with player behaviors in chat as well as my experience playing with those players to then determine who the scum is. It's a long and complicated process which typically only works mid-late game, but this game has been so active there's a metric ton of information to analyze in the chat. Being vocal helps me with organizing my thoughts so they're not so jumbled, and putting it here in the chat gives y'all context for any context-less decision I may make in the future. But if you insist on me keeping my thoughts to myself I will. Just good luck getting a comprehensive answer as to why I'm voting for someone.
Hmm, @Wintermoot, could we ever consider getting something like a thread-specific search tool? That way someone could just type something like "vote" and then see all the messages where a vote has been cast, and why.You can go to the "Print View" for the topic, which lists out all pages, and then Ctrl-F to find votes. It does get annoying though.
Hmm, @Wintermoot, could we ever consider getting something like a thread-specific search tool? That way someone could just type something like "vote" and then see all the messages where a vote has been cast, and why.Technically yes, but I’m not sure a thread-specific search tool is exactly what you’re wanting, because that would bring up any post with the word vote in it, rather than the posts that specifically contain votes.
Can we have a vote count please?Sure. EoD is in <40 mins
The newer Valeria members definitely do have a closer connection and the "Valerians stick together in Werewolf" meta comes from an earlier time, so feelings-wise it would be different. Aren of course has been in Valeria for quite a while, but I do also definitely see the Laurentus+Aragonn+Colberius+me and BSR+Hydra Valeria combos as particularly strong there.One of the main things I look for in Laurentus to tell if he's scum is if he's targeting other members of House Valeria. That would be me, Hydra, and Tau. So far he's cast suspicion on us all and even thrown a vote in my direction. I'm not taking hard action against him because he's not pressing so hard and all the town reads y'all are getting from him, but I don't trust him.What does that make Pengu, Marzipan, Arenado, and Hapi if you, Hydra, Tau, and Laurentus are the members of House Valeria? :o
Anyways, it's a little odd to me how common OMGUS votes (or what y'all call tit-for-tat) are here. On ZD those are seen as rather suspicious. Because you're supposed to be defending yourself, not throwing shade on the other person. Sure if you're town you know they're wrong, but you gotta show people they're wrong. Townies vote other townies all the time so you should be looking for behavior and not just retaliating for votes against you.It probably is more common because usually games here don't develop enough early game for reliable information to develop. (Also note that "tit-for-tat" is more the general game theory term for this; I don't think we ever had that terminology widely used at all because of a lack of a need.)
Although technically that means the chances of me being wolf in a game go up after each town game, not really helping my case here though :PWhile chances go up with repeated games, the chance for the individual game stays the same so that doesn't really affect anything lol
I will vote for Gerrick. Partly to balance things somewhat and partly because I am suspicious of their quiet approach to this game.I would agree that Gerrick has been eerily quiet, which is certainly suspicious. I'm not sure if it's enough for me to vote for him, considering that the uniquely active nature of this game is, ironically, having a corresponding chilling effect on a lot of players' activity.
Hapi's vote was randomly recast.Ok I might not like the other effects but this is just getting confusing and annoying
I'll change my vote from Gerrick to Aragonn.Ah shit does that mean another vote gets recast
Ah shit does that mean another vote gets recastNo, since the vote that was recast was Hapi's (the one just before Weiss's).
Gah I'm losing track of the vote order and how this recasting is supposed to workAh shit does that mean another vote gets recastNo, since the vote that was recast was Hapi's (the one just before Weiss's).
"Fools! Are you cores trying to lose? For you see, he was the button loving St4nl3y the whole time!"God damn it.
I'll change my vote from Gerrick to Aragonn.I'm sorry, what? Mind explaining this?
I took a nap and just woke up a second ago. v_vLucky. :P
Given that I was technically the second choice, yeah, I'm expecting it. Unless something major happens tonight that changes things.
I'm sorry, what? Mind explaining this?Seems fairly obviously a hedge against picking a side on the chopping and being blamed for their death by pushing someone else into the picture, making it a tie, and 'leaving it up to RNGesus'.
Hello all! Pleased to be here.Welcome! Have fun reading through 46 pages. >:D :P
Seems fairly obviously a hedge against picking a side on the chopping and being blamed for their death by pushing someone else into the picture, making it a tie, and 'leaving it up to RNGesus'.Damn, that's...actually a really good argument. I can't exactly defend Weissreich's decision here, so I'm not sure what to say. I think since I was yesterday's second choice, coupled with this, coupled with the fact there are still ALL SIX WOLVES some of which can wagon my ass, I'm dead tomorrow, or tonight, we'll see.
Of course, pretty much every time I've done something like that, I've been scum (which, I mean, isn't necessarily indicative, just that I've rolled scum a weird number of times), but that gives me Suspicious Vibes, solely tempered by the fact that if he was scum, he could have just left his vote where it was and not really changed the outcome.
...unless both him and Mones are scum and he made that move to increase Mones' odds of survival by 17% while maintaining plausible deniability...
Okay I was offline for a few days.... am I still needed here?The same as Min and LG Mr. Nut
Also hey Ex whatre you doing here?
Alright let me jump on this real quick:I thought that might've been the case yea
I do actually know how to play werewolf, unfortunately I’m a townie aligned jester which leads me to be inclined to be more of a nonsensical joke than someone actually helpful, hence the puns. Y’all also seem to only post when I’m about to sleep or I’m in the middle of work, this week in particular I’m primary on call, I’m just a site reliability engineer but that unfortunately means I work more this week than I do most of the time, I do love horrible timing.
As this is my first time playing with y’all, it’s pretty clear I’m being more suspicious than I intended, so of course form here forward until my death, just expect puns and potentially sensical nonsensical analyses of people who seem suspicious.
I really cannot for the life of me tell who is the turret scum whatever word you want to use this evening to describe the bad guys, but if it’s true the gel is on, that means I’m gonna bounce into somebody which will be very fun! (If it already happened then my bad, I really miss a lot because of work)
Yeah I've got to say that was a bad decision. I was in the middle of a pub quiz type call with a lot of friends IRL and saw the tie and thought for some reason a three way tie was better than a two way tie. I have had suspicions about you in this game, but not enough to have pushed a wagon about you. In the end, all this has done is remove another townie from the game and for that I must admit a fair amount of responsibility.I'll change my vote from Gerrick to Aragonn.I'm sorry, what? Mind explaining this?
Seems fairly obviously a hedge against picking a side on the chopping and being blamed for their death by pushing someone else into the picture, making it a tie, and 'leaving it up to RNGesus'.
Of course, pretty much every time I've done something like that, I've been scum (which, I mean, isn't necessarily indicative, just that I've rolled scum a weird number of times), but that gives me Suspicious Vibes, solely tempered by the fact that if he was scum, he could have just left his vote where it was and not really changed the outcome.
...unless both him and Mones are scum and he made that move to increase Mones' odds of survival by 17% while maintaining plausible deniability...
Alright let me jump on this real quick:
I do actually know how to play werewolf, unfortunately I’m a townie aligned jester which leads me to be inclined to be more of a nonsensical joke than someone actually helpful, hence the puns. Y’all also seem to only post when I’m about to sleep or I’m in the middle of work, this week in particular I’m primary on call, I’m just a site reliability engineer but that unfortunately means I work more this week than I do most of the time, I do love horrible timing.
As this is my first time playing with y’all, it’s pretty clear I’m being more suspicious than I intended, so of course form here forward until my death, just expect puns and potentially sensical nonsensical analyses of people who seem suspicious.
I really cannot for the life of me tell who is the turret scum whatever word you want to use this evening to describe the bad guys, but if it’s true the gel is on, that means I’m gonna bounce into somebody which will be very fun! (If it already happened then my bad, I really miss a lot because of work)
Alright let me jump on this real quick:
I do actually know how to play werewolf, unfortunately I’m a townie aligned jester which leads me to be inclined to be more of a nonsensical joke than someone actually helpful, hence the puns. Y’all also seem to only post when I’m about to sleep or I’m in the middle of work, this week in particular I’m primary on call, I’m just a site reliability engineer but that unfortunately means I work more this week than I do most of the time, I do love horrible timing.
As this is my first time playing with y’all, it’s pretty clear I’m being more suspicious than I intended, so of course form here forward until my death, just expect puns and potentially sensical nonsensical analyses of people who seem suspicious.
I really cannot for the life of me tell who is the turret scum whatever word you want to use this evening to describe the bad guys, but if it’s true the gel is on, that means I’m gonna bounce into somebody which will be very fun! (If it already happened then my bad, I really miss a lot because of work)
This is an...odd claim. What even is a town aligned jester? The point of a Jester is to get lynched. If you're saying you only if you get lynched and town wins then I don't see why you would claim. Having suspicion thrown on you already would be great for your role, since you could just double down, get lynched, and meet your win condition. So it kinda comes to a wifom situation, where we either take your claim at face value or wonder if your claim sounds odd because you're actually scum fakeclaiming because who would want to lynch a claimed town aligned jester any time soon? So I am a bit skeptical of your claim and motives.
Also damn being asleep at eod. I didn't want the possibility of a Sapph lynch over the other two. He looked pretty decent when he started posting and was one of my few town leans.
It's interesting that it was a three way tie though. I'll have to look more into the voting patterns of the 3 wagons to see what sticks out to me. There's one common factor among both the wagons and the lynch of a townie (Red) so that's interesting. I'm town reading Ex on Sapph's wagon so that leaves Red and Gerrick as people of interest on the wagon. And Red's wagon had Sapph (flipped town), me (who I know is town), and Laurentus (who I'm slightly town leaning). So it's hard not to still he suspicious of Red after these events.
this is becoming a ZD crossover lmfaoWhat is this, a crossover episode??? *audience laughter*
What is this, a crossover episode??? *audience laughter*Doggy doggy what now? :P
weiss's vote for aragonn obviously makes both weiss and red suspicious even though it could be nothing but how is that not suspicious.Yeah I'm not pleased with it either, but the logic of "I don't want to cast the deciding vote, but I don't like anyone here, so I'm going to leave it to chance" is understandable. I'm not sure how much I buy the "sorry, I was out" argument though. It makes sense for a lot of us here, but still.
In the IRL Werewolf I've seen played there is a jester type that only wins if they get killed at night. Now that would still be weird to claim but could potentially be what they meant by town aligned.Unjesters are usually not aligned to anyone either, so still kinda weird
Well, we're fucked. :/I would say we aren't completely screwed yet despite there being 6 turrets since they appear to generally be limited to one kill per night. We also still have people who are good at analyzing posts for suspicion who are still alive although I would not be surprised if some of these people are scum.
I chose Wintermoot since he's also usually one to look at in games. But since he could have been blocked by basically anything, it doesn't mean anything.what’s that supposed to mean though
I did, however, get an interesting clue during the night though since the blue gel is still active:
"Some turrets carry cubes around. They have two heads, but only because more wouldn't fit."
I chose Wintermoot since he's also usually one to look at in games. But since he could have been blocked by basically anything, it doesn't mean anything.what’s that supposed to mean though
I did, however, get an interesting clue during the night though since the blue gel is still active:
"Some turrets carry cubes around. They have two heads, but only because more wouldn't fit."
I chose Wintermoot since he's also usually one to look at in games. But since he could have been blocked by basically anything, it doesn't mean anything.what’s that supposed to mean though
I did, however, get an interesting clue during the night though since the blue gel is still active:
"Some turrets carry cubes around. They have two heads, but only because more wouldn't fit."
okay did anything weird come up in the group chatsNothing weird per see came up. The only ones who talked were me, Aragonn, Kane, and Marz at the end.
also @Madeline Norfolk were you notified if you bumped into someone?
in private chat, hydra said there could be other possibilities for what it means and if they don't come up with a decent one i'm throwing a vote downEh, this reeks of desperate scum to me.
i don't think gerrick voting for hydra makes him town, but i think if hydra turns up scum then hydra's suspicion of gerrick looks good on himTrue, but I had no reason to be suspicious of Gerrick already, so for now he's not really on my radar.
also who wants to go to the new area? should we send people we are or aren't suspicious of?Actually, I'd like to go. I Vote: Red Mones to go across the bridge.
I don't know what to make of my scan.What a fuckin' inconvenient time for that to happen for me. And I think that's the point - to not gain any useful information.
After yesterday's mislynch on Sapph, I scanned Mones, and the blue effect messed with the result.
The scan came back as regalliv. Upon reflection, it's villager spelt backwards. I don't know why it's written in red.
In summary, I think my scan was worthless and I'm not going to base any decisions on it.
Blue Bouncy Gel: Actions this round may become jumbled. Every fifth vote will be randomly recast. Yes, this action effect can be negated with a little problem solving
also who wants to go to the new area? should we send people we are or aren't suspicious of?
I was wondering why I saw someone else post in here, I didn't realize the white gel was gone.
But yeah, I'm curious to hear how the PMs went. Apprently Hydra's group had an illuminating session from what it sounds like.
"Some turrets carry cubes around. They have two heads, but only because more wouldn't fit."
The "some turrets" thing is worrying me.
Also, according to mythology, the most commonly cited number of heads for the Hydra is 9, not 2. I suppose that's where the "only because more wouldn't fit" thing comes in, though.
My other worry is that we have someone masquerading as a Town power role, which also seems to be a sensible reading of this clue. If that were the case, though, it would have made more sense to refer to it as "faces" and not heads. Heads is oddly specific.
By the way are we allowed to vote ourselves for bridge? @RuguoYes
"Some turrets carry cubes around. They have two heads, but only because more wouldn't fit."
The "some turrets" thing is worrying me.
Also, according to mythology, the most commonly cited number of heads for the Hydra is 9, not 2. I suppose that's where the "only because more wouldn't fit" thing comes in, though.
My other worry is that we have someone masquerading as a Town power role, which also seems to be a sensible reading of this clue. If that were the case, though, it would have made more sense to refer to it as "faces" and not heads. Heads is oddly specific.
Yeah, that's why the wording stuck with me a bit. The type of person is normally called Two-faced, so the choice of saying two heads was an interesting one.
This is possibly a long-shot, but if it's not referring to Hydra (not discounting it, but adding an alternative), perhaps two of the turret players have a linked power between them? Is there such a role that exists that would be similar to that?
Also, it has been brought to my attention that maybe I should have added a disclaimer. So here it is. Any similarities between flavour and players is pure coincidence and should be treated as such.
The Franckenturret is the only turret I know of that has two heads. It also "carries" a cube.How do you know what the Frankenturret is, and what kinds of turrets exist?
The Franckenturret is the only turret I know of that has two heads. It also "carries" a cube.How do you know what the Frankenturret is, and what kinds of turrets exist?
How do you know what the Frankenturret is, and what kinds of turrets exist?The power of
But still. Lynching someone without presenting evidence doesn't help town. It makes it easy for no connections to be made after the flip.
"Some turrets carry cubes around. They have two heads, but only because more wouldn't fit."Hmm, this clarification sure mixes things up. You may be right about the faces part, it's possible that's what Ruguo means, but said "heads" to keep it consistent with the game
The "some turrets" thing is worrying me.
Also, according to mythology, the most commonly cited number of heads for the Hydra is 9, not 2. I suppose that's where the "only because more wouldn't fit" thing comes in, though.
My other worry is that we have someone masquerading as a Town power role, which also seems to be a sensible reading of this clue. If that were the case, though, it would have made more sense to refer to it as "faces" and not heads. Heads is oddly specific.
Wagons are never this easy. We probably have scum on it.I agree. It may be a case of wolves voting to save themselves when they realize on of their own is about to get lynched rather than wovles taking advantage of an easy town lynch
As I said I would, I'm going to vote for Red Mones.
Declarative: My suspicion of core designate RED MONES has already been stated. Accordingly, I shall Vote: Red Mones.Slow down there, Doc. You said Weissreich may have voted for me to decrease the chances of me being lynched in the scenario we were both turrets. But that doesn't track with Weiss' actions today. He ignored a Hydra wagon to start one for me? When he was originally "trying to help me"? The first instance might make, sense, he took a risk, by allowing me to still possibly be lynched, but today's action os way too risky. And are we just gonna ignore Lau's night action?
We should ignore Laurentus' night actions actually. He said they were effected by the blue gel right? The wording was backwards and villager was in red. Who is to say that the villager part itself wasn't effected as well and the result should have been "wolf"?That's fair, but my other point still stands.
I know you'll argue against obviously, but the fact that you've been suspicious makes me think that is a possibility. You're not cleared by his results at all.
Slow down there, Doc. You said Weissreich may have voted for me to decrease the chances of me being lynched in the scenario we were both turrets. But that doesn't track with Weiss' actions today. He ignored a Hydra wagon to start one for me? When he was originally "trying to help me"? The first instance might make, sense, he took a risk, by allowing me to still possibly be lynched, but today's action os way too risky. And are we just gonna ignore Lau's night action?(Because I've already observed the possibility that he went in to save you. Starting a wagon on you - especially one that doesn't pan out because there's 10 votes on another guy - is something very useful to have saved in his back pocket should you turn out to be scum (or for you, if he turns out to be scum).
Also hold up. Few questions. Did Gerrick specifically refuse to push the button or he just didn't vote?He said "I'm going to refrain from pressing the button because this current setup prevents the wolves from talking to each other in their private PM chain -- right, Ruguo?" Ruguo didn't answer.
And didn't Pengu say his target was blocked? But Hapi said she blocked Pengu? Then how did Pengu get a hint???Here's my discussion with Hapi: (@Ruguo, you said no screenshots, do exact quotes "count"?)
I feel these actions don't add up.
Why would you block Pengu? That seems like a weird move. Also, he said his target was blocked, not that he was. I feel like he would've told us if he was, unless Ruguo didn't tell him as his target being blocked takes precedence but idk. You're blocking him shouldn't affect him being from being attacked or defended either, so it's weird you bring that up.
I can't make sense of Hapi's actions. Sowing chaos and confusion is something only scum is supposed to do. But why admit it?
I can't make sense of Hapi's actions. Sowing chaos and confusion is something only scum is supposed to do. But why admit it?While I agree that it implicates Hapi, I think from what I've seen that her posts are consistent with her normal gameplay personality. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't have a good read on her, but she did say at one point that if she were voted up she would tell us everything about her role and I've been town-reading her so far. This may not be the best decision, but I think we have more suspicious people we can go for right now. Thoughts?
Hydra comes in and all he says is "It could mean other things", votes to push button. Lil G stated he barely had a defense. I states he barely had a defense, voted for him. Hydra says he doesn't know what the clue could mean, but we can work to figure it out.There really wasn't much more that I could say. I admitted that the clue definitely pointed a huge finger toward my name and therefore me, but I knew it had to mean something else. However, my Portal knowledge is rusty and I had no concrete explanation for the cryptic message. Glad Ruguo cleared it up though.
Hmm, I'm not seeing anything conclusive about the actions that took place in Hydra and Mones' PMs, then.I mean, you're spot on. First people I'd turn to after a tau kill are you and Aragonn. However, I'm getting town reads from you but am unsure about Aragonn. Besides House Valeria, I'm more than confident that Gerrick, Pengu, Doc, and Crush have all seen and know how dangerous tau can be as town to the wolves and would put him on a target list if they were wolves. As stated in my previous post, my Pengu read is heavily dependent on your read (because of the outed roles), but for Gerrick and Crush I'm at a loss. Not sure about Doc's meta in this game either (although loving the in-character posts :P).
@Hydra, what is your opinion on the Tau kill?
We shouldn't take Hapi's claim at face value. Their actions have been weird to say the least.I can't make sense of Hapi's actions. Sowing chaos and confusion is something only scum is supposed to do. But why admit it?
Querulous: why trust that core designate HAPI is IFF: FRIEND instead of IFF: FOE? Has this unit missed something?
(Translation because it seems to irk people that I'm having fun doing a character: 'why are we taking Hapi's claim to be town at face value again'?)
can you point to exactly what red's erratic behavior is? i haven't seen it as erratic today. plus, if hydra is scum that makes Red look great since people are trying to start a counterwagon."Some turrets carry cubes around. They have two heads, but only because more wouldn't fit."
The "some turrets" thing is worrying me.
Also, according to mythology, the most commonly cited number of heads for the Hydra is 9, not 2. I suppose that's where the "only because more wouldn't fit" thing comes in, though.
My other worry is that we have someone masquerading as a Town power role, which also seems to be a sensible reading of this clue. If that were the case, though, it would have made more sense to refer to it as "faces" and not heads. Heads is oddly specific.
Yeah, that's why the wording stuck with me a bit. The type of person is normally called Two-faced, so the choice of saying two heads was an interesting one.
This is possibly a long-shot, but if it's not referring to Hydra (not discounting it, but adding an alternative), perhaps two of the turret players have a linked power between them? Is there such a role that exists that would be similar to that?Also, it has been brought to my attention that maybe I should have added a disclaimer. So here it is. Any similarities between flavour and players is pure coincidence and should be treated as such.
Ruguo's statement seems to imply that I misinterpreted the clue and that the clue wasn't meant to point to Hydra at all. However, based on that I can only rely on him according to what other people say and that he was already suspicious to me, my vote still stands.
The Franckenturret is the only turret I know of that has two heads. It also "carries" a cube. This may be what Pengu's clue was referring to.
I don't know if it's purposeful or not, but Red Mones seems to have only increased in erratic behavior, and I don't know what that means...
gut, mostly. i believe barnes mentioned having not played for a while during d1? and it's like i can physically see the rust coming off as the game goes on.How do you know what the Frankenturret is, and what kinds of turrets exist?The power ofpsychic telepathygoogle search. What makes Barnes core aligned to you guys btw?
And didn't Pengu say his target was blocked? But Hapi said she blocked Pengu? Then how did Pengu get a hint???if Pengu has a passive ability due to the gel effects, that would be immune to a role block.
I feel these actions don't add up.
I don't know if it's purposeful or not, but Red Mones seems to have only increased in erratic behavior, and I don't know what that means...can you point to exactly what red's erratic behavior is? i haven't seen it as erratic today. plus, if hydra is scum that makes Red look great since people are trying to start a counterwagon.
GIVE ME A CHANCE I'M WORKING ON IT BUT I HAVE TO STOP EVERYONE TIME ONE OF YOU GODDAMNS FOOLS MAKE ANOTHER POST aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
3 NEW POSTS FFS
You've never typed out a long post and go to post it only to have it tell you somebody's posted? Then go to post again, and it happens AGAIN? THEN DO IT A 3RD F****G TIME ONLY TO HAVE IT HAPPEN AGAIN?????????GIVE ME A CHANCE I'M WORKING ON IT BUT I HAVE TO STOP EVERYONE TIME ONE OF YOU GODDAMNS FOOLS MAKE ANOTHER POST aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
3 NEW POSTS FFS
The above quote also put me on edge a little for some reason.
You've never typed out a long post and go to post it only to have it tell you somebody's posted? Then go to post again, and it happens AGAIN? THEN DO IT A 3RD F****G TIME ONLY TO HAVE IT HAPPEN AGAIN?????????
Something about his D1 goofs came across as very townie. I'd have to go reread. But this is just insane.
Unvote: Hydra
I'm very tempted to vote for Hapi, but will remove my vote from Hydra in the meantime so people can't hammer.
@Hapi, what in the hell is going on?
And to @Vroendal, i don't have a meta for Hapi. This is the first time I've played with her. She seemed very townie early on, but I don't know what's going on anymore.
And didn't Pengu say his target was blocked? But Hapi said she blocked Pengu? Then how did Pengu get a hint???Here's my discussion with Hapi: (@Ruguo, you said no screenshots, do exact quotes "count"?)
I feel these actions don't add up.
Hapi said "I blocked Pengu. I'm town, but I like adding chaos and confusion" (not exact)
I responded:QuoteWhy would you block Pengu? That seems like a weird move. Also, he said his target was blocked, not that he was. I feel like he would've told us if he was, unless Ruguo didn't tell him as his target being blocked takes precedence but idk. You're blocking him shouldn't affect him being from being attacked or defended either, so it's weird you bring that up.
She responded: (not exact)
"I'm not sure how my block works. It's a blue gel effect. I blocked him because of his suspicious claims. I assumed it works like ToS Escort.
I dropped it after that.
can you point to exactly what red's erratic behavior is? i haven't seen it as erratic today. plus, if hydra is scum that makes Red look great since people are trying to start a counterwagon."Some turrets carry cubes around. They have two heads, but only because more wouldn't fit."
The "some turrets" thing is worrying me.
Also, according to mythology, the most commonly cited number of heads for the Hydra is 9, not 2. I suppose that's where the "only because more wouldn't fit" thing comes in, though.
My other worry is that we have someone masquerading as a Town power role, which also seems to be a sensible reading of this clue. If that were the case, though, it would have made more sense to refer to it as "faces" and not heads. Heads is oddly specific.
Yeah, that's why the wording stuck with me a bit. The type of person is normally called Two-faced, so the choice of saying two heads was an interesting one.
This is possibly a long-shot, but if it's not referring to Hydra (not discounting it, but adding an alternative), perhaps two of the turret players have a linked power between them? Is there such a role that exists that would be similar to that?Also, it has been brought to my attention that maybe I should have added a disclaimer. So here it is. Any similarities between flavour and players is pure coincidence and should be treated as such.
Ruguo's statement seems to imply that I misinterpreted the clue and that the clue wasn't meant to point to Hydra at all. However, based on that I can only rely on him according to what other people say and that he was already suspicious to me, my vote still stands.
The Franckenturret is the only turret I know of that has two heads. It also "carries" a cube. This may be what Pengu's clue was referring to.
I don't know if it's purposeful or not, but Red Mones seems to have only increased in erratic behavior, and I don't know what that means...gut, mostly. i believe barnes mentioned having not played for a while during d1? and it's like i can physically see the rust coming off as the game goes on.How do you know what the Frankenturret is, and what kinds of turrets exist?The power ofpsychic telepathygoogle search. What makes Barnes core aligned to you guys btw?And didn't Pengu say his target was blocked? But Hapi said she blocked Pengu? Then how did Pengu get a hint???if Pengu has a passive ability due to the gel effects, that would be immune to a role block.
I feel these actions don't add up.
Hapi, is your role similar to pengu's? because if it's the same role, that would invalidate his clue.
Any similarities between flavour and players is pure coincidence and should be treated as such.this says flavor though. the clue is probably not flavor. the flavor text is during the day/night scenes. if the clue has nothing to do with the players then what is it alluding to and how could it possibly help?
How it is not flavour? I would think any game moderated clue would be counted as flavour, the Frankenturret would certainly be counted as flavour. I don't think anyone is sure about the true answer. I just want to hedge the benefits of having a suspicious player up so we can get more information.Any similarities between flavour and players is pure coincidence and should be treated as such.this says flavor though. the clue is probably not flavor. the flavor text is during the day/night scenes. if the clue has nothing to do with the players then what is it alluding to and how could it possibly help?
How it is not flavour? I would think any game moderated clue would be counted as flavour, the Frankenturret would certainly be counted as flavour. I don't think anyone is sure about the true answer. I just want to hedge the benefits of having a suspicious player up so we can get more information.Any similarities between flavour and players is pure coincidence and should be treated as such.this says flavor though. the clue is probably not flavor. the flavor text is during the day/night scenes. if the clue has nothing to do with the players then what is it alluding to and how could it possibly help?
Welp, that escalated quickly. But since I already outted my role, I should just come out and clarify that no, I'm not a Scum Jailer. One of my effects (the Blue Gel one) gives me clues about who a Turret may be during nights when it's activated, so I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be the Scum's favorite person.he specifically mentioned it will give him a clue on who a turret may be, emphasis on WHO. why would "who" mean a specific turret instead of a specific player? what kind of special ability/benefit is it if it's worthless?
I do actually know how to play werewolf, unfortunately I’m a townie aligned jester which leads me to be inclined to be more of a nonsensical joke than someone actually helpful, hence the puns.I have never heard of a town aligned jester. That sounds suspicious, especially if the jester role is anything like Town of Salem's role. Also what is that about you bumping into other players during the blue gel effect Madeline?
I really cannot for the life of me tell who is the turret scum whatever word you want to use this evening to describe the bad guys, but if it’s true the gel is on, that means I’m gonna bounce into somebody which will be very fun! (If it already happened then my bad, I really miss a lot because of work)
I have never heard of a town aligned jester. That sounds suspicious, especially if the jester role is anything like Town of Salem's role. Also what is that about you bumping into other players during the blue gel effect Madeline?As I don't know when she will return, I will paraphrase, not quote, what she said in the group for the last effect. (She posted after the effect had been reset, not realizing that the main thread was open again.)
I have never heard of a town aligned jester. That sounds suspicious, especially if the jester role is anything like Town of Salem's role. Also what is that about you bumping into other players during the blue gel effect Madeline?As I don't know when she will return, I will paraphrase, not quote, what she said in the group for the last effect. (She posted after the effect had been reset, not realizing that the main thread was open again.)
She said, "last night I bumped into Weissreich, this means you know I can't be a turret."
I don't think that anyone would be able to come up with that unique of a role without actually being that role, but that's just my opinion. I'm town reading her right now.
how does that mean she can't be a turret? i don't follow the logic.
If there is a chance for a negative effect then maybe we should send some inactive or other suspicious players to the bridge since only one can by lynched. Also @Ruguo are players on the bridge immune to night actions from the different roles (like turret attacks or protection) or are they still subject to them.Players on the bridge are subject to any night actions like usual.
Votecount:Huh I did not expect that, that is quite interesting to see. Although the players on the bridge can't say what happens to them there, it might still be noticeable in other ways so for that reason I will nominate some players we haven't heard from that much to send them to the bridge. My vote is going to send Wintermoot, who knows the bridge might provide an insight into what one of their possible actions is?
Push the Button: 1
Hydra: 7 (Vroendal, Lil g, Gerrick, Red Mones, Barnes, Excalibur, Arenado)
Red Mones: 2 (Weissreich, Doc)
Bridge:
Mones: 1
Hapi: 2
Doc: 1If there is a chance for a negative effect then maybe we should send some inactive or other suspicious players to the bridge since only one can by lynched. Also @Ruguo are players on the bridge immune to night actions from the different roles (like turret attacks or protection) or are they still subject to them.Players on the bridge are subject to any night actions like usual.
Huh I did not expect that, that is quite interesting to see. Although the players on the bridge can't say what happens to them there, it might still be noticeable in other ways so for that reason I will nominate some players we haven't heard from that much to send them to the bridge. My vote is going to send Wintermoot, who knows the bridge might provide an insight into what one of their possible actions is?
I also nominate Wintermoot for the bridge, I don't know if he'll be around to say much of anything, but we could try. We should probably try to send over a core, a turret, and an unknown. I'm relatively sure that Hapi is core and the Wintermoot is turret, and I'm still not sure at all about Red, so I think we should stick with those.It's important to note that with the current count, Moot and Hapi would go, and it's likely a coin flip between me and Doc.
@Hapi, my apologies if you expected our group PM to not be shared. Ruguo said "no screenshots" not "no sharing". I still wasn't sure though, as I asked Ruguo for clarification. I didn't mean to violate your expectation of secrecy. What you said was new information which may prove to be valuable, so regardless of its relevancy to Hydra, I shared it.
I have never heard of a town aligned jester. That sounds suspicious, especially if the jester role is anything like Town of Salem's role. Also what is that about you bumping into other players during the blue gel effect Madeline?As I don't know when she will return, I will paraphrase, not quote, what she said in the group for the last effect. (She posted after the effect had been reset, not realizing that the main thread was open again.)
She said, "last night I bumped into Weissreich, this means you know I can't be a turret."
I don't think that anyone would be able to come up with that unique of a role without actually being that role, but that's just my opinion. I'm town reading her right now.
how does that mean she can't be a turret? i don't follow the logic.
Also, it has been brought to my attention that maybe I should have added a disclaimer. So here it is. Any similarities between flavour and players is pure coincidence and should be treated as such.I don't know why else Ruguo would point this out after the accusations against Hydra other than that that's what they're referencing.
Wasn't Reply All made the default reply option with Private Messages?I remember something was done, but no that reply button is still there.
After taking a quick look at my own PMs, it looks like the Reply option is still there but that is for individual messages. At the top and bottom of the message chain are buttons saying Reply To All. Use that button unless you want to individually reply to people in the chain.yeah and I even knew this and was using it yet I managed to screw up.
Let me get iff mobile, and I’ll take care of it
No need to do anything, I'll take care of it.Let me get iff mobile, and I’ll take care of it
Will this take care of me as well or do I need to do something?
That's stupid. I was reading the pm chain so I responded within the pm chain. It should send to everyone in the pm chain...Not being idiot proof doesn't make something stupid. Just pay better attention in the future.
That's stupid. I was reading the pm chain so I responded within the pm chain. It should send to everyone in the pm chain...Not being idiot proof doesn't make something stupid. Just pay better attention in the future.
That's stupid. I was reading the pm chain so I responded within the pm chain. It should send to everyone in the pm chain...Not being idiot proof doesn't make something stupid. Just pay better attention in the future.
Barnes and Excalibur, however, just became much more suspicious in my eyes for voting for Hydra after being given that disclaimer.I was worried that following the wagon would lead to that suspicion. I also didn't want to unwagon just as quickly, since everything is contradicting information (which I understand is the point). That information was the best I had to go off of.
I have not once had this problem. I use the two eyes in my face to observe and the brain in my head to analyze and comprehend before making decisions instead of just rushing to do something assuming it's going to function exactly like something else I've run into.That's stupid. I was reading the pm chain so I responded within the pm chain. It should send to everyone in the pm chain...Not being idiot proof doesn't make something stupid. Just pay better attention in the future.
nah it's a pretty stupid feature. i can't even see one of my own responses because it didn't save a copy to my inbox. it's counter intuitive so people are bound to make mistakes
i'd honestly just assumed it was something i missed and didn't go back to check so not realizing what they said wasn't in the open was on me lmfao
I'm legit annoyed though. Any group chat feature anywhere on the web replies to the whole damn group if you reply within it so no it actually is stupid.Again, eyes and brain. Observe and analyze. If you're not sure about something, ask someone who knows.
And has little to nothing to do with my ability to pay attention because I never would have clicked reply all at the top when I was reading within a pm thread. Now granted I'm mobile maybe it looks diffrent on web but having two diffrent reply options in two diffrent locations is in fact dumb.
A full page griping about a PM feature instead of talking about the game.
I'm voting: Hapi, because it still makes literally no sense to want to sow confusion and chaos, and at this point I'm starting to think the whole "Oh, whoops, haha, I'm such a noob" thing is an act.
I have not once had this problem. I use the two eyes in my face to observe and the brain in my head to analyze and comprehend before making decisions instead of just rushing to do something assuming it's going to function exactly like something else I've run into.That's stupid. I was reading the pm chain so I responded within the pm chain. It should send to everyone in the pm chain...Not being idiot proof doesn't make something stupid. Just pay better attention in the future.
nah it's a pretty stupid feature. i can't even see one of my own responses because it didn't save a copy to my inbox. it's counter intuitive so people are bound to make mistakes
i'd honestly just assumed it was something i missed and didn't go back to check so not realizing what they said wasn't in the open was on me lmfaoI'm legit annoyed though. Any group chat feature anywhere on the web replies to the whole damn group if you reply within it so no it actually is stupid.Again, eyes and brain. Observe and analyze. If you're not sure about something, ask someone who knows.
And has little to nothing to do with my ability to pay attention because I never would have clicked reply all at the top when I was reading within a pm thread. Now granted I'm mobile maybe it looks diffrent on web but having two diffrent reply options in two diffrent locations is in fact dumb.
Not being idiot proof doesn't make something stupid. Just pay better attention in the future.
I have not once had this problem. I use the two eyes in my face to observe and the brain in my head to analyze and comprehend before making decisions instead of just rushing to do something assuming it's going to function exactly like something else I've run into.
Again, eyes and brain. Observe and analyze. If you're not sure about something, ask someone who knows.
I just want to make it clear that I am in no way saying that the PM system is perfect. It does its job, but it could use some improvement. That said, you have two pages with details that show how the system works. The first page is the inbox. The existence of a 'reply all' button should tell you everything you need to know. But in case that was not clear enough and you end up hitting 'reply' at the bottom of one of the messages, you still have the next page to figure it out. On the page where you type out your message to send it has a list of all the names of the people the message will be sent to. If there's only one name when you're sending to a group PM, you're clearly doing something wrong and should copy your message then go back to find the right thing to do which is to hit the 'reply all' button. Then you paste your message, make any additions and/or changes you want, and then hit send. The only way you could screw that up is if you weren't observing and didn't care to think about how the system might work, instead opting to assume it works like some other system.I think you should take some time and reflect on how condescending that comes off as. It's embarrassing enough for someone to have to admit that they've made a mistake without someone all but calling them an idiot for it. I know that this is a game that gets aggressive sometimes, but this is really out of line, and I expect better from someone who has been around for so long, especially toward someone who is still relatively new to the community. This is a situation where it would do well to remember the Golden Rule.
@Gerrick I admit I have been quite suspicious of Excalibur since the beginning. However, I'm still not convinced that Hydra isn't a turret. I feel strongly about both of them to the extent that I say we should lynch one, and that the possible core killing role should nab the other, especially if one should inexplicably turn out to be core. However, before that happens I want to hear more from both of them. If this is a bad play, please explain why it is to me, I am aware that my inexperience may make me commit bad choices.
I feel like the most important thing with regards to Hydra is trying to figure out whether Pengu's clue is counted as "flavor".I find it curious how people are being suspicious of me. I've pretty much tried to help the town through all my actions, and have been attempting to scumread others. I'm new to the game, that's true, and so I've also been a bit quiet as well. I can see how all of these things can contribute to my suspiciousness.Quote from: RuguoAlso, it has been brought to my attention that maybe I should have added a disclaimer. So here it is. Any similarities between flavour and players is pure coincidence and should be treated as such.I don't know why else Ruguo would point this out after the accusations against Hydra other than that that's what they're referencing.
Unvote: Lynch Hydra as that was the foundation of my suspicion against him.
Barnes and Excalibur, however, just became much more suspicious in my eyes for voting for Hydra after being given that disclaimer.
Vote: Lynch Excalibur because of that^, but also reading through his posts (https://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=2289), he's not giving great reasons for his votes and seems like he's generally trying to not rock the boat.
Vote: Send Myself to Bridge because I wanna see what this is all about.
Also, I just wanted to note that I never got a message from Hapi in the group PM... Did they forget to hit "Reply All" or something? So I didn't see that role claim they apparently made and so not really sure what it's all about. Hard to be convinced when I didn't see it firsthand, so my suspicion of them has not decreased.
In light of these events, would an extension for the day phase be useful to anyone while we get back on track?I think having so much time to simmer in between rounds is causing some of the issues.
I find it curious how people are being suspicious of me. I've pretty much tried to help the town through all my actions, and have been attempting to scumread others. I'm new to the game, that's true, and so I've also been a bit quiet as well. I can see how all of these things can contribute to my suspiciousness.
However, I'll give you a clue as to what I am. Part of the reason ExLight didn't die that first night is because of me
In light of these events, would an extension for the day phase be useful to anyone while we get back on track?I think having so much time to simmer in between rounds is causing some of the issues.
I know that the personality-moderation is separate from the game, but I also worry that it's going to give off a false impression that people are town because "you're keeping the peace, so you have to be the good guys!"
In light of these events, would an extension for the day phase be useful to anyone while we get back on track?I think having so much time to simmer in between rounds is causing some of the issues.
I know that the personality-moderation is separate from the game, but I also worry that it's going to give off a false impression that people are town because "you're keeping the peace, so you have to be the good guys!"
Haha, it should go without saying that peacekeepers are just as likely to be scum as Town. I would have done this as either role.
I assure you that I am a core, but I hope I don’t have to roleclaim due to some of the restrictions behind it. It is a bold claim, but, if the way powers are ordered is how I think they are, then I am definitely one of the two reasons ExLight survived that first night (the other being his own power obviously). The problem is the blue gel screwed with my power in N2, so I wasn’t able to choose.
That's a bit of a bold claim, interesting. You have reminded me however to go and look back at the D1 votes. I don't want to believe that all the votes against the cores we know of now were also cores. Surely some turrets joined the wagon. Of those who voted Batma n, and ExLight were definitely cores, Hapi was probably a core, and if we still believe Pengu, you can surely understand, Aragonn, that we might be sus of you.
Excalibur, you, Gerrick, and Batma n all voted Hapi. Batma n was a core, and you're claiming an interesting role. People are town-reading Gerrick, but based on all this one of you surely must be a turret, even if Hapi was being suspicious.
So we have Aragonn, Gerrick, Excalibur with his bold claim, and possibly Pengu, though I'm quite inclined to belive that he is core.
I also find the Barnes vs Doc interesting as well. Not sure what that means, but I'm inclined to believe based on both of your interactions that you might not both be on the same side.
I assure you that I am a core, but I hope I don’t have to roleclaim due to some of the restrictions behind it. It is a bold claim, but, if the way powers are ordered is how I think they are, then I am definitely one of the two reasons ExLight survived that first night (the other being his own power obviously). The problem is the blue gel screwed with my power in N2, so I wasn’t able to choose.
Haha, it should go without saying that peacekeepers are just as likely to be scum as Town. I would have done this as either role.You're equivocating! :P
I also find the Barnes vs Doc interesting as well. Not sure what that means, but I'm inclined to believe based on both of your interactions that you might not both be on the same side.It was honestly a hunch that I alluded to in day 1. Perhaps Arenado, Excalibur, Minish, and Pengu can speak more about this.
Hapi was probably a core, and if we still believe Pengu, you can surely understand, Aragonn, that we might be sus of you.You're right, I don't believe that Aragonn and Hapi could've been on the same side. If Hapi is core, then Aragonn's wolfiness should be obvious.
No one could prove that ExLight was telling the truth, but we believed him, right? Like I said, this isn’t an official role claim, but I hope I’ve given some insight into my own abilities. As for my own hunches, I think Hapi was a core after all, meaning Aragonn is a turret. Therefore I will Unvote and Vote: AragonnI assure you that I am a core, but I hope I don’t have to roleclaim due to some of the restrictions behind it. It is a bold claim, but, if the way powers are ordered is how I think they are, then I am definitely one of the two reasons ExLight survived that first night (the other being his own power obviously). The problem is the blue gel screwed with my power in N2, so I wasn’t able to choose.
What I find interesting is that I'm inclined to believe you and that scares me...
The problem with your claim is that no one can prove it, which would be rather convenient for a turret don't you think?
If you continue on the assumption that you're innocent, who do you think should be lynched, Aragonn, Gerrick, Pengu, or none of them?
@Wintermoot if my calling the PM system stupid at all made you feel like your work was unappreciated. I assumed that it was a feature of the message board system and not something that would relate to your work on the forums at all. I apologize for my choice of words.Don't worry, I didn't get that sense at all from you. The fact of the matter is there are problems with the design of the forums, and it doesn't help that SMF has been meandering toward the next major version for the last five years. I've tried to improve upon the design where I can, but unfortunately because PMs aren't used much outside of Werewolf and elections they haven't been the priority that other pages have been.
I know you put a lot of work into this thing. That is all.
I've quit the game so I'll take my leave now just wanted to get that out somewhere have fun everyone. GL cores!!
Long story short, I don't care. I'm not invested in this anymore. If you don't vote me off, I'm quitting.I regret that you have been pushed to this. I had hoped my first interactions with all of you would be in a better light. I don't blame you.
Long story short, I don't care. I'm not invested in this anymore. If you don't vote me off, I'm quitting.I regret that this issue has caused you to want to leave as well. Things definitely got out of hand last night, but hopefully it's just a minor bump in the road in the long run. These games are meant to be fun, and I'm sorry that the game has stopped being fun for you...hopefully we will think of ways to avoid some of these issues in future games.
@Wintermoot if my calling the PM system stupid at all made you feel like your work was unappreciated. I assumed that it was a feature of the message board system and not something that would relate to your work on the forums at all. I apologize for my choice of words.Don't worry, I didn't get that sense at all from you. The fact of the matter is there are problems with the design of the forums, and it doesn't help that SMF has been meandering toward the next major version for the last five years. I've tried to improve upon the design where I can, but unfortunately because PMs aren't used much outside of Werewolf and elections they haven't been the priority that other pages have been.
I know you put a lot of work into this thing. That is all.
I've quit the game so I'll take my leave now just wanted to get that out somewhere have fun everyone. GL cores!!
I regret that this issue has caused you to want to leave the game...obviously, the most active game in Wintreath's history has pushed the limits of what the forums and the community can take, and I hope that we'll find ways to overcome both in the future. I'd like to think these are growing pains that we can overcome. :)
What I find interesting is that I'm inclined to believe you and that scares me...What I find interesting is that in this round alone you've implicated a number of people as turret without giving any real reason or sticking to what others have already said: myself, Hydra, Excalibur, Red Mones, and Gerrick. It's like it keeps you active enough not to stand out for being conspicuously quiet, yet it keeps you uninvolved enough not to be seen as the driving force behind any particular lynching.
The problem with your claim is that no one can prove it, which would be rather convenient for a turret don't you think?
If you continue on the assumption that you're innocent, who do you think should be lynched, Aragonn, Gerrick, Pengu, or none of them?
Wintermoot puts his player hat back on.
What I find interesting is that in this round alone you've implicated a number of people as turret without giving any real reason or sticking to what others have already said: myself, Hydra, Excalibur, Red Mones, and Gerrick. It's like it keeps you active enough not to stand out for being conspicuously quiet, yet it keeps you uninvolved enough not to be seen as the driving force behind any particular lynching.
If I've missed something here, I apologize, but is there any reason to suspect Gerrick besides the fact that he voted for Hapi on the very first day?
Of course there's a chance I'm scum. Like. There's a chance anyone here is scum.it's equally likely ex protected a NK target, such as you or pengu.
Also, we believed Ex because he gave details of his role. Which also got him killed. So don't do that, but also don't expect us just to take your word for things, @Excalibur.
Oh, and @lil g you should vote someone else to go across the bridge since Hapi is leaving. At this point, I think I should go as I still want the core, turret, and unknown to go across and I don't trust anyone else.
With all of the resignations and inactives, as well as the player tensions, I'm worried we might have to declare a mistrial of sorts. :(You and me both.
With all of the resignations and inactives, as well as the player tensions, I'm worried we might have to declare a mistrial of sorts. :(You and me both.
I really hope it doesn't have to come to that. Ruguo has done an incredible job on this game and the last thing I want is for anyone to feel that it wasn't worth it... that would be awful. Though there have been high tensions I think we can still continue if everyone pulls together to see it through.With all of the resignations and inactives, as well as the player tensions, I'm worried we might have to declare a mistrial of sorts. :(You and me both.
I don't feel the need to stop playing just because of tension between players. I know I have historically been able to play well in games even when I had issues with other players in the game, even if I end up being more negative than usual.
Werewolf 6's low didn't drive a wedge between the players. I am legit scared that with the way this game has gone down we end up with another November crisis.
Werewolf 6's low didn't drive a wedge between the players. I am legit scared that with the way this game has gone down we end up with another November crisis.
I don't know what happened then, and I hope you don't think me presumptuous now, but I think it would do wonders for our community if we could look on this game and say, "Look what we have triumphed above. Even after all that we were able to continue." That would be amazing.
I get where you're going with that, but I'll follow what the community as a whole says. While, sure it'd be great if we could move past it and laugh about it later, I also don't want to push through a game that people may feel done with just so we can "triumph above it." In an optimistic outlook it could do wonders, in another outlook it could also alieniate people from wanting to play if things get worse if we push it.I totally get what you're saying, I have considered it. But I see Hapi's willingness to come back after all that a very good sign already. I really want us to grow together, not apart, and I think we can legitimately grow together still.
I get where you're going with that, but I'll follow what the community as a whole says. While, sure it'd be great if we could move past it and laugh about it later, I also don't want to push through a game that people may feel done with just so we can "triumph above it." In an optimistic outlook it could do wonders, in another outlook it could also alieniate people from wanting to play if things get worse if we push it.I totally get what you're saying, I have considered it. But I see Hapi's willingness to come back after all that a very good sign already. I really want us to grow together, not apart, and I think we can legitimately grow together still.
I mean, if it counts it counts. Are we really worried that much about harming the "official record?" We're allowed to have rocky games every once in a while.That's fair. My favorite round of werewolf ended in a draw. I suppose this game would just be inconclusive then?
I’d love to keep playing!
It’s just a little hard to keep up with what’s the game and what’s folks being uh not very pro gamer
(And maybe a little description of what the roles are would be helpful)
@DekuNutHow dare you forget about me, Mones :cry:
How dare you forget about me, Mones :cry:Sorry. :P
@Ruguo Is there a deadline / when will the game start?
Was debating because I'm still in finals season so may not necessarily keep up, but sure, why not.@Ruguo Is there a deadline / when will the game start?
I'm waiting to hear back from a few people, but if I hear nothing I'd like to get going by tomorrow.
Also, are you playing again then?
Out of curiosity, if you're not trying to salvage anything of the past game, what were the alignments of the players? It's gnawing at me. :PThe world may never know. :P
So if you just want a list of players and their alignments, I guess I can do that. Your six scum were:MY GOD LAURENTUS YOU MOTHERFUCKER
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