Post by: Michi on June 14, 2019, 06:28:26 AM
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Oh, hello old chap! I was just reading this lovely news article about the winners of that most recent talent show that took place on the moon! Quite delightful stuff, I must say, but it certainly doesn't beat that time when you were on that show now does it? Yes, I quite seem to remember it as if it was yesterday...
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Nigel: Welcome folks! I'm your host, Nigel Thornberry and welcome to another smashing game of...Wintreath's Got Talent!
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Last season (https://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=1909.0), we saw one of our tourists from another region claim the title of Top Talent. Coincidentally, he was also the title holder in his region's own version of our show. (http://10000islands.proboards.com/thread/28321/werewolf-taco-islands-got-talent) This season, we're focusing on all of the smashing champions from our many previous seasons. Before you ask, we couldn't persuade Barry the Butler to come back to fight for the crown of Top Champion. I was so very excited to send him his invitation, but the answer was so very un-smashing!
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But there's no time for tears when we've got such a smashing show ahead of us! So without further ado, let me introduce the Judges of this competition:
First off, he comes from right here on Earth, but sources say that he's from the very distant future (we're still fact checking that smashing fact). He's a scientist who came to us to judge a competition...let's give it up for Professor Ogden Wernstrom!
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Wernstrom: Yes yes, let's get this over with.
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Our next judge comes to us from Third Street Elementary School, give it up for miss Muriel Finster!
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Finster: That's enough out of you you little hooligan!
And our final judge also comes to us from school, P.S 118 to be exact! We're not sure it's legal to have her as a judge, but her hair is just smashing! Give it up for Helga Pataki!
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Helga: Make it quick, I'm going to miss Wrestlemania! And if I miss it, you'll have to answer to old Betsie.
Nigel: Smashing! Now that we've gotten the much more exciting part out of the way, here's what kind of exciting people you can expect to see:
The Magician (1)
The Seer of the game. They'll scan each Commercial Break for good/bad guys. Anyone scanned as a Contestant/Guardian will have the chance to join the Magician's Troupe PM. The Magician can use knowledge of any Saboteurs/Leader of the Saboteurs as they see fit in the game thread, and can choose to oust the Blunderer or add them to the Troupe at their own risk. During each Commercial Break, the Magician will be given a Scenario. Their choice will inflict a Benefit, a Consequence, or Nothing.
The Scouts (2)
The Defenders of the game. Each Scout will pick one person to protect, but cannot protect the same person for 2 consecutive Commercial Breaks. The Scouts do not know each other.
The Blunderer (1)
The Negator of the game. For 2 Commercial Breaks, the Negator can cause chaos in the studio and disrupt all powers.
The Saboteurs (3)
The Werewolves of the game. During each Commercial Break, the Saboteurs and their leader can vote as a group as to who to get booted off the show.
The Leader of the Saboteurs (1)
The Head Wolf of the game. During each Commercial Break, they'll vote with the other Saboteurs as to who to get booted from the show. In a separate PM, they'll also be given a Scenario each Commercial Break. Their choice will inflict a Benefit, a Consequence, or Nothing. The Leader cannot die until all of the other Saboteurs have been voted off.
The Contestants (5)
The Villagers of the game. During each Showtime, they'll vote as to who they believe the Saboteurs are, with the majority-vote being booted from the show. During each Commercial Break, they'll be waiting, doing nothing.
Nigel: Brilliant! And no show is complete without some smashing rules!
1) The Scouts cannot defend the same person for two consecutive Commercial Break. Because of a mixup somewhere, the Scouts do not know who each other are.
2) During each Commercial Break, both the Leader of the Saboteurs as well as the Magician will be given scenarios. Their choice can either benefit another good/bad player, punish a good/bad player, or do absolutely nothing. These can range from role reveals, added points for the saboteur, a removed/auto-successful defense/scan, double kills, or no kills.
3) The show will have two sections: Showtime, in which our cameras will be rolling for 48 hours as the contestants decide who to send up next...and Commercial Break, where the specialty roles will be off doing their own thing for 24 hours.
4) To choose a contestant to send up after deciding who you want, simply say Vote: Send ______ to the stage. All votes must be placed in the thread in bold or they will not count. You're welcome to talk as a group and discuss who you believe should be sent up next.
5) A show can't go on without a performer, but we here at the studio do understand stage fright. While you're not individually required to vote someone to perform, No Lynch votes in this game are considered the same as not voting, and will not be counted in the tally (meaning only contestants with votes against them will be considered). If everyone chooses "No Lynch" or to not vote, a contestant will be chosen at random and booted from the stage.
6) There is no rule against inactivity this game. You may choose not to vote and simply discuss with no repercussion or threat of penalty (or simply lurk and not post at your own risk of being considered suspicious). However, remember that a single vote may condemn/save a contestant that you may have your eye on (or if you're wanting to save yourself from being a victim), so voting can potentially help push odds in your favor (although nothing is guaranteed).
7) There are no rules against role revealing for this game, just keep in mind that you do so at your own risk.
8 ) PMs will be provided by the host. Rogue PMs aren't advised, but they can't be stopped.
9) There will be a Behind the Scenes PM for those who are booted off the show. If you're booted from the show, you can say your final goodbye in the game (much like if you're kicked from a reality show, you get that last moment to talk), and then you can move on to the Behind the Scenes PM if you choose.
10) All contestants (even those chosen for the specialty roles) may choose to message the Host (aka PM me) with the talent they choose. This can be a simple line saying what you wish to do in front of the judges, or it can be a detailed scenario. If you end up being booted from the show, your talent will be shown for all to see, for example:
Nigel: And that explains the show! Smashing, right? If there's any questions, comments, or concerns, you can write them down in our suggestion box, and we'll answer them as quick as possible. (in other words, ask in here or PM :P) Have a positively smashing game!
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Please post in here to let me know that you've gotten your PM and are ready. The game will begin once everyone has posted.
Living Roles (10)
4 Saboteurs
2 Scouts
1 Magician
1 Blunderer
2 Contestants
4 Bad roles
5 Good roles
1 Neutral role
Current Contestants (10)
@Doc - Stephe Colberion - Booted during the 2nd Showtime after malfunctioning while reading a CAPTCHA.
@Laurentus - Mortimer Aragonnus
@North - Bertram 'Bertie' Westmoreland
@Ruguo - Lady Rena of clan MacTire
@_zM - John Barrison - Booted during the 1st Showtime after failing to impress the judges with their chocolate eating.
@taulover - Perry Tealeaf
@Gerrick - Colonel Angus
@Pj123 - Duke Oswald of the house of Wittelsbag
@Hydra - Ash Goldfinch
@A self deprecating Kane - Nathaniel Essex Sabotaged during the first Commercial Break
@Gabrielle - Iolana Kala
@Mathyland - Vincent Brimble
@davidd1979 - Bartholomew Bricklemeyer III, Esq.
Oh, hello old chap! I was just reading this lovely news article about the winners of that most recent talent show that took place on the moon! Quite delightful stuff, I must say, but it certainly doesn't beat that time when you were on that show now does it? Yes, I quite seem to remember it as if it was yesterday...
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Nigel: Welcome folks! I'm your host, Nigel Thornberry and welcome to another smashing game of...Wintreath's Got Talent!
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Last season (https://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=1909.0), we saw one of our tourists from another region claim the title of Top Talent. Coincidentally, he was also the title holder in his region's own version of our show. (http://10000islands.proboards.com/thread/28321/werewolf-taco-islands-got-talent) This season, we're focusing on all of the smashing champions from our many previous seasons. Before you ask, we couldn't persuade Barry the Butler to come back to fight for the crown of Top Champion. I was so very excited to send him his invitation, but the answer was so very un-smashing!
(https://cdn.drawception.com/images/panels/2015/10-1/RRtDacWDat-14.png)
But there's no time for tears when we've got such a smashing show ahead of us! So without further ado, let me introduce the Judges of this competition:
First off, he comes from right here on Earth, but sources say that he's from the very distant future (we're still fact checking that smashing fact). He's a scientist who came to us to judge a competition...let's give it up for Professor Ogden Wernstrom!
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Wernstrom: Yes yes, let's get this over with.
(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages2.fanpop.com%2Fimages%2Fpolls%2F198000%2F198677_1236342683505_full.jpg%3Fv%3D1236342682&hash=8216144ba67cd3aebe8147507763cc75) WERNSTROM!
Our next judge comes to us from Third Street Elementary School, give it up for miss Muriel Finster!
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Finster: That's enough out of you you little hooligan!
And our final judge also comes to us from school, P.S 118 to be exact! We're not sure it's legal to have her as a judge, but her hair is just smashing! Give it up for Helga Pataki!
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Helga: Make it quick, I'm going to miss Wrestlemania! And if I miss it, you'll have to answer to old Betsie.
Nigel: Smashing! Now that we've gotten the much more exciting part out of the way, here's what kind of exciting people you can expect to see:
The Magician (1)
The Seer of the game. They'll scan each Commercial Break for good/bad guys. Anyone scanned as a Contestant/Guardian will have the chance to join the Magician's Troupe PM. The Magician can use knowledge of any Saboteurs/Leader of the Saboteurs as they see fit in the game thread, and can choose to oust the Blunderer or add them to the Troupe at their own risk. During each Commercial Break, the Magician will be given a Scenario. Their choice will inflict a Benefit, a Consequence, or Nothing.
The Scouts (2)
The Defenders of the game. Each Scout will pick one person to protect, but cannot protect the same person for 2 consecutive Commercial Breaks. The Scouts do not know each other.
The Blunderer (1)
The Negator of the game. For 2 Commercial Breaks, the Negator can cause chaos in the studio and disrupt all powers.
The Saboteurs (3)
The Werewolves of the game. During each Commercial Break, the Saboteurs and their leader can vote as a group as to who to get booted off the show.
The Leader of the Saboteurs (1)
The Head Wolf of the game. During each Commercial Break, they'll vote with the other Saboteurs as to who to get booted from the show. In a separate PM, they'll also be given a Scenario each Commercial Break. Their choice will inflict a Benefit, a Consequence, or Nothing. The Leader cannot die until all of the other Saboteurs have been voted off.
The Contestants (5)
The Villagers of the game. During each Showtime, they'll vote as to who they believe the Saboteurs are, with the majority-vote being booted from the show. During each Commercial Break, they'll be waiting, doing nothing.
Nigel: Brilliant! And no show is complete without some smashing rules!
1) The Scouts cannot defend the same person for two consecutive Commercial Break. Because of a mixup somewhere, the Scouts do not know who each other are.
2) During each Commercial Break, both the Leader of the Saboteurs as well as the Magician will be given scenarios. Their choice can either benefit another good/bad player, punish a good/bad player, or do absolutely nothing. These can range from role reveals, added points for the saboteur, a removed/auto-successful defense/scan, double kills, or no kills.
3) The show will have two sections: Showtime, in which our cameras will be rolling for 48 hours as the contestants decide who to send up next...and Commercial Break, where the specialty roles will be off doing their own thing for 24 hours.
4) To choose a contestant to send up after deciding who you want, simply say Vote: Send ______ to the stage. All votes must be placed in the thread in bold or they will not count. You're welcome to talk as a group and discuss who you believe should be sent up next.
5) A show can't go on without a performer, but we here at the studio do understand stage fright. While you're not individually required to vote someone to perform, No Lynch votes in this game are considered the same as not voting, and will not be counted in the tally (meaning only contestants with votes against them will be considered). If everyone chooses "No Lynch" or to not vote, a contestant will be chosen at random and booted from the stage.
6) There is no rule against inactivity this game. You may choose not to vote and simply discuss with no repercussion or threat of penalty (or simply lurk and not post at your own risk of being considered suspicious). However, remember that a single vote may condemn/save a contestant that you may have your eye on (or if you're wanting to save yourself from being a victim), so voting can potentially help push odds in your favor (although nothing is guaranteed).
7) There are no rules against role revealing for this game, just keep in mind that you do so at your own risk.
8 ) PMs will be provided by the host. Rogue PMs aren't advised, but they can't be stopped.
9) There will be a Behind the Scenes PM for those who are booted off the show. If you're booted from the show, you can say your final goodbye in the game (much like if you're kicked from a reality show, you get that last moment to talk), and then you can move on to the Behind the Scenes PM if you choose.
10) All contestants (even those chosen for the specialty roles) may choose to message the Host (aka PM me) with the talent they choose. This can be a simple line saying what you wish to do in front of the judges, or it can be a detailed scenario. If you end up being booted from the show, your talent will be shown for all to see, for example:
Quote
Host: Hey folks, and welcome back to Taco Island's Got Talent! Our next performer is a bit of a doozy, and might make some of you at home a bit queezy, but we hope you'll enjoy this next amazing feat!an example of a contestant-submitted scenario. All ending scenarios may follow this structure when I write them up.
Alfred "Ater Nox" Noxuma walks on stage.
Alfred: Greetings Ladies and Gentlemen. Tonight I will perform a feat unseen by man for centuries. I learnt this death defying skill on from an ancient tribe located in the deepest, darkest corners of the Amazon. Tonight, I will attempt to eat a Peanut Butter Sandwich using only one hand. Before I begin, I must warn you: Do not try this at home.
Ater Nox approaches the sandwich and slowly lifts it with his right hand.
Alfred: Wait, this isn't right... This is a Jam Sandwich!
Alfred wipes some sweat from his brow with his other hand as he tries to lift the sandwich to biting height. Unfortunately his hand is shaking so much with nerves all he manages to do is smear the sandwich all over his face. As the crowd begins to boo, security guards enter the stage to remove him.
As he is dragged from the stage, Ater Nox shouts
Alfred: Wait, I have more tricks! I can drink a glass of water blindfolded! I can walk backwards with no shoes on! I can even arrive at a bus stop exactly a minute before the bus arrives! Please, give me another chance!
Alfred "Ater Nox" Noxuma's trick has been sabotaged, and he has been booted from the show. He was the only contestant that the audience fell asleep watching.
Nigel: And that explains the show! Smashing, right? If there's any questions, comments, or concerns, you can write them down in our suggestion box, and we'll answer them as quick as possible. (in other words, ask in here or PM :P) Have a positively smashing game!
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Please post in here to let me know that you've gotten your PM and are ready. The game will begin once everyone has posted.
Living Roles (10)
4 Saboteurs
2 Scouts
1 Magician
1 Blunderer
2 Contestants
4 Bad roles
5 Good roles
1 Neutral role
Current Contestants (10)
@Laurentus - Mortimer Aragonnus
@North - Bertram 'Bertie' Westmoreland
@Ruguo - Lady Rena of clan MacTire
@taulover - Perry Tealeaf
@Gerrick - Colonel Angus
@Pj123 - Duke Oswald of the house of Wittelsbag
@Hydra - Ash Goldfinch
@Gabrielle - Iolana Kala
@Mathyland - Vincent Brimble
@davidd1979 - Bartholomew Bricklemeyer III, Esq.
Post by: Doc on June 14, 2019, 07:05:58 AM
Also let me just say how disappointed I am that the first time round (prior to the reset), you once again drew me as a Werewolf, Pengu. What are the odds? Astronomical. They are astronomical. I hope you redrew because you realized what nonsense it would be for me to be a wolf, and thus once again lynched unconscionably early.
Fortunately, we redrew and now I get to be part of the not-saboteur gang, where I hope to remain without either being lynched or sabotaged, until the glorious day where we win.
tl;dr: please don't day 1 lynch me y'all i finally broke the curse
Post by: Arenado on June 14, 2019, 07:13:28 AM
All kidding aside, good luck everyone and godspeed.
Post by: Pj123 on June 14, 2019, 09:25:12 AM
Post by: _zM on June 14, 2019, 10:14:31 AM
Post by: Gabrielle on June 14, 2019, 12:26:39 PM
I am ready !
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Post by: Mathyland on June 14, 2019, 03:46:59 PM
Post by: Gerrick on June 14, 2019, 04:55:56 PM
So the word "majority" is used multiple times, but do you actually mean plurality? Do we need a majority vote to vote someone off, or is the person with the most votes (even without a majority of votes) voted off? And does No Lynch have to reach a majority in order for there to be a random vote-off, or does it just need to have the most votes (even without a majority)?
Post by: Michi on June 14, 2019, 04:59:56 PM
And basically if No Lynch is the only choice, someone will be chosen randomly. If it has the most votes but there are other choices, it'll trickle down to the next on the list with the most votes. So basically it'll be counted as not voting. And while there's no inactivity rule this time around, there's a consequence for not choosing someone.
Post by: taulover on June 14, 2019, 06:00:50 PM
Post by: Gabrielle on June 14, 2019, 06:15:49 PM
(Thank you for orchestrating all of this, @Pengu!!)
Post by: Laurentus on June 14, 2019, 06:23:43 PM
... to commit some murders and get paranoid and shit.
I will vote: Doc because that whole statement about not being a Wolf finally is exactly what a Wolf would say.
Anyway, enjoy the game everyone! We have quite a few new and returning players. I hope you will thoroughly participate in what is, in my opinion, the best recurring event we have in Wintreath. Just remember that this is a game with a lot of theatrics, so don't take anything we say or do to each other too seriously. :D
Post by: Michi on June 14, 2019, 07:11:40 PM
Hello, my fellow talented Wintreans & visitors alike... question, Pengu: When should we send you our talent, if we have one? Should we do so now?
(Thank you for orchestrating all of this, @Pengu!!)
For Talent, you can send that to me any time, because that just pertains to if/when you're booted from the show.
If you mean choices for the power roles, those choices will be sent every commercial break, which will be announced when we cut to one.
And that's 9/13 people. When the other 4 have responded, we'll start our first Showtime.
Post by: Hydra on June 14, 2019, 10:02:32 PM
Post by: Michi on June 15, 2019, 12:00:46 AM
Post by: davidd1979 on June 15, 2019, 12:14:06 AM
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Post by: Gabrielle on June 15, 2019, 12:14:57 AM
Ready!
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Aloha!! Yay!!
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Post by: Ruguo on June 15, 2019, 12:28:25 AM
So I'm excited and ready to start!
Post by: Laurentus on June 15, 2019, 02:25:55 AM
Post by: Michi on June 15, 2019, 02:41:14 AM
What's this i keep hearing about a reshuffle?
Basically I messed up with the roles and had to reshuffle them, so people may have gotten a role different to what they were previously.
That or I'm completely messing with all of you and everything is as it really was meant to be.
It's really going to be up to you to figure out.
Post by: Doc on June 15, 2019, 03:18:42 AM
Let's Lynch Doc.
I am ready to lynch Doc first round.
I will vote: Doc because that whole statement about not being a Wolf finally is exactly what a Wolf would say.
Post by: Michi on June 15, 2019, 07:37:26 AM
Attention Contestants! Attention! It's now SHOWTIME! Time to vote amongst your peers as to who you think should be the next performer to take the stage! So get those votes out, because you'll have until Monday, June 17th at 5PM PST before we cut to our first Commercial Break.
Good luck, and break a leg out there!
@Doc @Laurentus @North @Ruguo @_zM
@taulover @Gerrick @Pj123 @Hydra @A self deprecating Kane
@Gabrielle @Mathyland @davidd1979
Post by: Arenado on June 15, 2019, 07:41:43 AM
Post by: Arenado on June 15, 2019, 07:42:12 AM
Post by: Laurentus on June 15, 2019, 09:35:07 AM
Post by: Arenado on June 15, 2019, 12:02:34 PM
Post by: Doc on June 15, 2019, 05:39:46 PM
Vote: North for his generally flip-floppy starting posts.Highly, maybe even irrationally aggressive right out the starting gate...sounds like scum to me...
On the other hand...that might be TWTBW...
(that's all the jargon i remember except WIFOM and i can't figure out how to work that in here)
Post by: Laurentus on June 15, 2019, 06:28:41 PM
Post by: Pj123 on June 16, 2019, 06:34:20 PM
Post by: Gerrick on June 17, 2019, 12:15:16 AM
He was a townie in the Mafia Championship, so maybe he wants him to use what he's learned as a townie now. Or maybe he wants him to now try as a werewolf. Or maybe he thought we'd think he'd be a werewolf now since he was a townie before, so he actually made him a townie. Or maybe he thought we'd think that, so he really did make him a wolf. Or maybe he didn't choose at all and just did it randomly. Hmm...
Anyway, this'll definitely be a very interesting game since 5 of the 13 players are new to Werewolf (here at least).
Post by: Doc on June 17, 2019, 12:28:58 AM
Or maybe he didn't choose at all and just did it randomly. Hmm...Whatever the case, my immediate instincts tell me that either Laurentus gets killed in an early night-phase out of concern at his newly-honed skills, or he's scum.
Then again...they might assume we'd think that way and explicitly not kill him by virtue of assuming we'd just lynch him anyway for precisely that reasoning...
WIFOM! I WORKED IT IN!
All that said just so I could work in the last bit of jargon I remembered that I hadn't used yet, Laurentus' 'reaction test' doesn't seem particularly effective, because we don't have a daily activity requirement - or really any activity requirement at all. People can just fail to react until North gets lynched by default, since for the moment he's the only candidate. Which suggests to me that it's not a reaction test - it's just straight aggressive play from scum who's maybe even overconfident - as if he's the Saboteur Leader and thus invulnerable till the rest of them are dead.
All that said, Vote: Laurentus.
Post by: Ruguo on June 17, 2019, 12:37:41 AM
So on principle, I'm going to vote: North, fully realizing that this may make me look scummy.
Post by: Michi on June 17, 2019, 02:42:06 AM
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 04:58:52 AM
North's reaction is NAI (ha!), but has served to get three pretty cool reactions from Gerrick and Doc.
Also, just a word of advice, Ruguo, if you think I might be a Wolf, then it would be best to remove me early, unless you plan to keep me around specifically to see my interactions with other players and piece together a Wolf team. Even that will have an element of risk, though, because I tend to lead any team I'm on.
That said, it could just be that you're a new player, but why just sheep an existing vote? Why not create a counter-wagon?
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 05:02:03 AM
Or maybe he didn't choose at all and just did it randomly. Hmm...Whatever the case, my immediate instincts tell me that either Laurentus gets killed in an early night-phase out of concern at his newly-honed skills, or he's scum.
Then again...they might assume we'd think that way and explicitly not kill him by virtue of assuming we'd just lynch him anyway for precisely that reasoning...
WIFOM! I WORKED IT IN!
All that said just so I could work in the last bit of jargon I remembered that I hadn't used yet, Laurentus' 'reaction test' doesn't seem particularly effective, because we don't have a daily activity requirement - or really any activity requirement at all. People can just fail to react until North gets lynched by default, since for the moment he's the only candidate. Which suggests to me that it's not a reaction test - it's just straight aggressive play from scum who's maybe even overconfident - as if he's the Saboteur Leader and thus invulnerable till the rest of them are dead.
All that said, Vote: Laurentus.i've finally learned that vote: no lynch is dumb, it only took like 10 games
There are a few possibilities that you're neglecting to mention. We have two defenders, after all.
Post by: Arenado on June 17, 2019, 05:21:36 AM
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 06:07:12 AM
Alright, I'll reveal my role. I'm one of the defenders. So now that that's out, can we please start playing sensibly?
Post by: Arenado on June 17, 2019, 06:15:48 AM
Post by: Gabrielle on June 17, 2019, 06:19:24 AM
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 06:20:48 AM
I didn't expect you to get a 2nd vote out of this.
Post by: Gabrielle on June 17, 2019, 06:21:58 AM
Post by: Arenado on June 17, 2019, 06:30:07 AM
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 08:00:39 AM
There's no data, yes, so that is why we discuss things. You could have given your thoughts on what both Doc and Gerrick said, for example, or even chatted to Ruguo to discuss why you would be a bad lynch.
Now, you want to lynch a defender. Why? Is your role objectively more important? If so, then the townie thing to do would have been to simply engage with me and say: "Hey, Lau, what's up with the vote? Why not do x, y or z?"
As far as bussing potential goes, I'm going to be able to get a lot more votes on you, because even if my claim is absurd (yes, a Wolf can claim to be a defender and I should be questioned about this), rational townies should not be taking this risk.
So how about it, North. Will you help me analyse the situation or are you solely interested in self-preservation?
Post by: Arenado on June 17, 2019, 08:20:23 AM
And what exactly are you proposing anyway? That I change my vote and just accept death? I'll change my vote if you change yours. Right now, for me, any discussion other than "Hey, North, how about you don't die?" is not a priority for me.
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 10:39:29 AM
It's a foregone conclusion that I'm going to get scanned, and at that point, the Seer will either reveal my role as a defender or as a Wolf. So that one's not really worth worrying about.
The whole point of random votes in the beginning is to jump start discussion like this. Even in Ruguo's immediate bandwagoning, that's another opportunity to analyse an action and gain clarity.
Frankly, the fact that you seem so disinterested in discussing things and instead just doing a self-preservation vote make me think that I might have hit a Wolf after all.
Post by: Arenado on June 17, 2019, 11:11:13 AM
Post by: Arenado on June 17, 2019, 11:23:00 AM
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 11:30:44 AM
Also, for context, what you've done is walk up to me and put a gun to the back of my head. When I pull my own gun on you and demand you lower yours first, your response is to call that suspicious and demand we have a chat. I'm opening to discussing what ever you want when we are not threatening death upon each other. Change your vote first and then we can chat.
Fair, but this is what I wanted to happen here.
Vote: Gerrick to get it off North, and I don't think Gerrick has a vote, currently.
Post by: Arenado on June 17, 2019, 11:45:56 AM
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 12:16:57 PM
@Ruguo, how do you respond?
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 12:24:59 PM
Or maybe he didn't choose at all and just did it randomly. Hmm...Whatever the case, my immediate instincts tell me that either Laurentus gets killed in an early night-phase out of concern at his newly-honed skills, or he's scum.
Then again...they might assume we'd think that way and explicitly not kill him by virtue of assuming we'd just lynch him anyway for precisely that reasoning...
WIFOM! I WORKED IT IN!
All that said just so I could work in the last bit of jargon I remembered that I hadn't used yet, Laurentus' 'reaction test' doesn't seem particularly effective, because we don't have a daily activity requirement - or really any activity requirement at all. People can just fail to react until North gets lynched by default, since for the moment he's the only candidate. Which suggests to me that it's not a reaction test - it's just straight aggressive play from scum who's maybe even overconfident - as if he's the Saboteur Leader and thus invulnerable till the rest of them are dead.
All that said, Vote: Laurentus.i've finally learned that vote: no lynch is dumb, it only took like 10 games
Also, @North, I'm not sure where you get the idea that Doc said it would be good to vote no-lynch. He said the opposite here.
Post by: Arenado on June 17, 2019, 01:02:34 PM
Post by: Ruguo on June 17, 2019, 01:21:05 PM
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 02:00:35 PM
And I change my vote to Ruguo. Both Doc and him deciding that a no lynch was a good idea sounds a bit odd to me..He says vote no lynch is dumb.
I am so confused.
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 02:03:09 PM
And I change my vote to Ruguo. Both Doc and him deciding that a no lynch was a good idea sounds a bit odd to me..
He says vote no lynch is dumb.
I am so confused.
Post by: Arenado on June 17, 2019, 02:05:52 PM
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 02:37:41 PM
Honestly, I'm still not sure what in the world is going on and trying to follow the people who have played before's lead. Lau played in the championships for us, so hopefully he's already heading in the right direction. Like I said before, I would have joined Doc with my vote, but I didn't find it beneficial for me in any way to vote out the most experienced player in the game. North is giving me too much credit right now, what with plausible deniability. I already admitted it was a move that made me look bad. I mostly was hanging up to protect myself from the random pick. And you were already there with one vote. Unless I read the game wrong and that's not happening this round.
You're not alone. No one knows what the fuck is going on this early.
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 03:00:21 PM
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 03:02:33 PM
Post by: Arenado on June 17, 2019, 03:18:51 PM
Post by: Ruguo on June 17, 2019, 04:55:42 PM
What about me? I think I've proven that I'm more of a danger to the Townies as a Townie. Remember that game where I led a crusade that killed literally every innocent townie there was while leaving the wolves to do their thing? :]Hmmmm. Doesn't this kinda justify my vote even if you are town? Though now I have a list of people to watch as well, which is nice. More data!
Post by: Mathyland on June 17, 2019, 05:42:29 PM
Nor do I plan to, anymore. You're much too defensive about this.
There's no data, yes, so that is why we discuss things. You could have given your thoughts on what both Doc and Gerrick said, for example, or even chatted to Ruguo to discuss why you would be a bad lynch.These seem contradictory, given that in my experience, explaining why you’re not suspicious is one of the worst things you can do in this game.
Now, you want to lynch a defender. Why? Is your role objectively more important? If so, then the townie thing to do would have been to simply engage with me and say: "Hey, Lau, what's up with the vote? Why not do x, y or z?"
Anyone could claim defender. Even if you are scanned during the next phase (is you’re still alive), the scout might not want to reveal their role and tell us what role you are.
North, Laurentus, Ruguo, Gerrick, and David all have one vote each. Unless someone votes for one of them, I’ll just leave it up to the random choice between the ones with one vote.
(And what do all the acronyms mean? e.g. NAI, TWTBW, WIFOM)
Post by: Arenado on June 17, 2019, 05:54:24 PM
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 06:41:47 PM
Nor do I plan to, anymore. You're much too defensive about this.There's no data, yes, so that is why we discuss things. You could have given your thoughts on what both Doc and Gerrick said, for example, or even chatted to Ruguo to discuss why you would be a bad lynch.These seem contradictory, given that in my experience, explaining why you’re not suspicious is one of the worst things you can do in this game.
Now, you want to lynch a defender. Why? Is your role objectively more important? If so, then the townie thing to do would have been to simply engage with me and say: "Hey, Lau, what's up with the vote? Why not do x, y or z?"
Anyone could claim defender. Even if you are scanned during the next phase (is you’re still alive), the scout might not want to reveal their role and tell us what role you are.
North, Laurentus, Ruguo, Gerrick, and David all have one vote each. Unless someone votes for one of them, I’ll just leave it up to the random choice between the ones with one vote.
(And what do all the acronyms mean? e.g. NAI, TWTBW, WIFOM)
So... everyone should just lynch you if they find you suspicious?
And I assume you mean the seeming contradiction between 'why are you so defensive' and 'explain yourself?' I can see why it would look like a contradiction, but it's not. Obviously, you'd have to make a case for yourself, because no one else will, but this should go accompanied by finding a better target, not just voting for someone else and refusing to engage in further analysis.
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 06:46:36 PM
To get us all off the chopping block I shall vote for david. That should protect us but I still think that Ruguo is suspicious.
Do we have an inactivity lynch, @Doggu?
Post by: Doc on June 17, 2019, 07:20:19 PM
Do we have an inactivity lynch, @Doggu?No, he explicitly stated there wouldn't be one, but observed 'there's a consequence for not choosing someone.'
Ominous!
Lau played in the championships for us, so hopefully he's already heading in the right direction.This is very weird reasoning. Were it a round later, I'd assume it was a seer trying some semi-plausible argument for their vote bloc to form, but there hasn't been a scan yet. Nor could you be the other defender, since you're not supposed to be aware of each other.
I'm honestly kind of suspicious that the two of you are voting the same at this stage but its just kind-of suspicion at this juncture. Time will out.
All of that said, my vote-track rn is (bold is the current vote):
Laurentus: North, then Gerrick
PJ: technically not a vote-no-lynch, but a stated plan to not vote.
Me: Laurentus
Ruguo: North
North: Laurentus, then Ruguo, then David
Gabrielle: David
Currently the person with the plurality is David. I also noted that Gabrielle's @mention didn't work, so @davidd1979 just so he gets the notification.
(And what do all the acronyms mean? e.g. NAI, TWTBW, WIFOM)This is all jargon some of us picked up from Laurentus' MU game. 'NAI' is 'Not Alignment Indicative' (doesn't indicate either town or scum); 'TWTBW' is 'Too Wolfy To Be a Wolf', which is just silliness; and WIFOM is 'Wine In Front Of Me', which is essentially saying that it's unclear if someone is making the expected, smart choice, or the unexpected, weird choice.
Post by: _zM on June 17, 2019, 07:30:50 PM
Post by: Gabrielle on June 17, 2019, 07:50:22 PM
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 07:59:58 PM
Do we have an inactivity lynch, @Doggu?No, he explicitly stated there wouldn't be one, but observed 'there's a consequence for not choosing someone.'
Ominous!Lau played in the championships for us, so hopefully he's already heading in the right direction.This is very weird reasoning. Were it a round later, I'd assume it was a seer trying some semi-plausible argument for their vote bloc to form, but there hasn't been a scan yet. Nor could you be the other defender, since you're not supposed to be aware of each other.
I'm honestly kind of suspicious that the two of you are voting the same at this stage but its just kind-of suspicion at this juncture. Time will out.
All of that said, my vote-track rn is (bold is the current vote):
Laurentus: North, then Gerrick
PJ: technically not a vote-no-lynch, but a stated plan to not vote.
Me: Laurentus
Ruguo: North
North: Laurentus, then Ruguo, then David
Gabrielle: David
Currently the person with the plurality is David. I also noted that Gabrielle's @mention didn't work, so @davidd1979 just so he gets the notification.(And what do all the acronyms mean? e.g. NAI, TWTBW, WIFOM)This is all jargon some of us picked up from Laurentus' MU game. 'NAI' is 'Not Alignment Indicative' (doesn't indicate either town or scum); 'TWTBW' is 'Too Wolfy To Be a Wolf', which is just silliness; and WIFOM is 'Wine In Front Of Me', which is essentially saying that it's unclear if someone is making the expected, smart choice, or the unexpected, weird choice.
Yeah, if he weren't so inexperienced, I'd say he was trying to pocket (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Pocketing) me.
Post by: taulover on June 17, 2019, 08:06:43 PM
No, other discussion as in 'let's look at what else is going on.'Hmm, one thing I noticed in your Mafia Championships game was a large stigma against players who don't contribute anything novel to the conversation, extending to self-preservation votes.
It's a foregone conclusion that I'm going to get scanned, and at that point, the Seer will either reveal my role as a defender or as a Wolf. So that one's not really worth worrying about.
The whole point of random votes in the beginning is to jump start discussion like this. Even in Ruguo's immediate bandwagoning, that's another opportunity to analyse an action and gain clarity.
Frankly, the fact that you seem so disinterested in discussing things and instead just doing a self-preservation vote make me think that I might have hit a Wolf after all.
I may be misremembering, but I don't recall such a mindset ever being generally held in our games here, especially as they're more casual and such.
Not sure where I'm leading with this thought, I suppose I'm just trying to make sense of how you two seemed to quickly become suspicious of each other. Perhaps neither behaviors were necessarily scummy, just the consequence of differing playstyles?
I don't know what's going on with the David wagon. North's vote might be chalked up as self-preservation and perhaps also voting for an inactive player (both of which I think are probably NAI in Wintreath) but _zM jumped onto the wagon with no explanation at all. He might also just be a relatively inexperienced player though.
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 08:23:26 PM
Post by: Ruguo on June 17, 2019, 09:02:07 PM
Also, thank you for the link to the mafia universe wiki. That may make things easier going forward.
And going forwards I won't wagon. Sorry. I'll figure things out as I go along. Now is there a way to save David? Because even with Gabrielle changing her vote, he still had two votes, one from North and one from Zm, and if we really don't want to kill anyone off then we should get him out. Besides, he hasn't a chance to defend himself yet.
And now I'm either digging both him and I deeper or jumping on the don't kill anyone wagon, if that's a thing. Ah well, I still want answers.
Post by: _zM on June 17, 2019, 09:08:41 PM
(wow, this is so much easier in person compared to via text)
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 09:13:55 PM
In order to retract my (foolish) earlier vote, looking back at all of the posts made so far I think that the general willingness of Laurentus to make helpful posts towards us newbies and his role reveal (or is it?) seem pretty suspicious, so I'll switch my vote to Laurentus.
(wow, this is so much easier in person compared to via text)
Huh? Elaborate. Why is helpfulness suspicious? Why is revealing my role suspicious, especially when I'm on the chopping block?
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 09:25:30 PM
Post by: _zM on June 17, 2019, 09:36:37 PM
So I'll completely retract my vote, if not leave this game altogether at some point.
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 09:37:45 PM
I suppose the only vaguely Wolfy thing that could be there is that, in the event he doesn't die and he's a Wolf, he gets rid of a strong player?
This is a bit of wine, but that seems like a really insane risk to take, since after I flip and am revealed as Town (and a goddamned defender on top of that), he'd be toast.
So this suggests to me that he is Town. Might be worth a scan by the Seer at some point to confirm, but that's where I'm at for him.
That also plausibly means he truly does find me more suspicious than any other player. Interesting.
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 09:41:51 PM
Post by: Michi on June 17, 2019, 09:44:21 PM
And I realize my post about the non-voting sounded a bit vague when I mentioned a consequence.
Basically what I mean is that it's your best interest to vote, since no lynch votes will not be counted in the total. if nobody picks a person, someone will be chosen at random. If there are votes but NO LYNCH is the majority, the person below that with the most votes will be booted.
So the more you toss away your votes, the more likely it is someone you don't want booted may end up being booted because of even a single vote.
Post by: davidd1979 on June 17, 2019, 09:45:15 PM
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Post by: Gerrick on June 17, 2019, 09:48:38 PM
Regardless, I'm gonna Vote: Hydra since he's of the silent wolf type and hasn't posted yet.
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 09:57:39 PM
In this case, our choices are pretty much David and ZM. I'm not convinced North would be on this David wagon if he saw that his life was no longer at risk, so @North, your thoughts?
For everyone else, is the best target we can come up with really ZM?
Post by: taulover on June 17, 2019, 10:01:44 PM
Less than 3 hours remain.This seems like a very convoluted way of saying that no lynch votes aren't allowed and will be instead taken as non-votes, which are allowed.
And I realize my post about the non-voting sounded a bit vague when I mentioned a consequence.
Basically what I mean is that it's your best interest to vote, since no lynch votes will not be counted in the total. if nobody picks a person, someone will be chosen at random. If there are votes but NO LYNCH is the majority, the person below that with the most votes will be booted.
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 10:11:00 PM
Post by: Laurentus on June 17, 2019, 10:13:37 PM
(To noobs: if you're wondering why we don't edit, that's because doing so can make it seem like you've let something slip, and you tried to conver it up. So don't do it.)
Post by: Arenado on June 17, 2019, 11:07:02 PM
Laurentus is remarkably present but so far has not done anything terribly...wolfy. Well, besides the whole 'damn near killed me' bit. ZM strikes me more as a bumbling new fellow. I'm still very suspicious of Ruguo and Doc. Hydra does, in my experience, like to play the quiet game. Gerrick...well, he has done nothing to signify anything, really.
In the interest of giving ZM a chance to live and for a lack of anything better to do, I will change my vote to Hydra. May lady luck favour us.
Post by: Hydra on June 17, 2019, 11:30:20 PM
Based on a quick glance, though, and based off of North's vote count, I'm going to have to Vote: Send _zM to the stage out of self-preservation (assuming North's vote counts as he didn't bold his vote).
Also, in general, I'll try to be more active around Wintreath, especially as this game is kicking off.
Post by: Michi on June 18, 2019, 12:04:36 AM
Less than 3 hours remain.This seems like a very convoluted way of saying that no lynch votes aren't allowed and will be instead taken as non-votes, which are allowed.
And I realize my post about the non-voting sounded a bit vague when I mentioned a consequence.
Basically what I mean is that it's your best interest to vote, since no lynch votes will not be counted in the total. if nobody picks a person, someone will be chosen at random. If there are votes but NO LYNCH is the majority, the person below that with the most votes will be booted.
I mean, it is. It's basically saying that you're allowed to not vote, and that choosing not to lynch is just going to be taken in the same way as choosing not to vote entirely. But it's also saying that if you choose either option, then either way someone will still be booted each night. It's just up to whether or not you want to make sure you get a say in potentially saving someone that you personally see as innocent (or condemning someone you see as guilty), or just leaving things in the hands of random selection or to your fellow contestants.
Post by: taulover on June 18, 2019, 12:27:43 AM
Maybe just say that No Lynch votes don't exist in this game, if that's what you mean? :PLess than 3 hours remain.This seems like a very convoluted way of saying that no lynch votes aren't allowed and will be instead taken as non-votes, which are allowed.
And I realize my post about the non-voting sounded a bit vague when I mentioned a consequence.
Basically what I mean is that it's your best interest to vote, since no lynch votes will not be counted in the total. if nobody picks a person, someone will be chosen at random. If there are votes but NO LYNCH is the majority, the person below that with the most votes will be booted.
I mean, it is. It's basically saying that you're allowed to not vote, and that choosing not to lynch is just going to be taken in the same way as choosing not to vote entirely. But it's also saying that if you choose either option, then either way someone will still be booted each night. It's just up to whether or not you want to make sure you get a say in potentially saving someone that you personally see as innocent (or condemning someone you see as guilty), or just leaving things in the hands of random selection or to your fellow contestants.
Saying anything more than that, I think, creates more confusion by implying that No Lynch votes do exist, which they do not.
(And I find it surprising that you've prepared for the incredibly unlikely possibility that literally nobody votes for anyone, but I suppose you can cover that edge case, even if doing so creates confusion about the rules.)
I also don't really see the logic behind there being "consequences" if you don't vote. If we're taking a page from Mafia Universe/Championships rules and playstyle here in allowing not voting, we can see that some people in Laurentus' game absolutely do seem to actively influence the game without voting at all; not voting doesn't necessarily mean that you don't have a say in the conversation.
Post by: Michi on June 18, 2019, 12:41:32 AM
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Nigel: Hello and welcome back everyone! Our next contestant is...John Barrison (@_zM)!
The Audience cheers
Wernstrom: What will you be presenting for us today?
John I can eat an entire bar of dark chocolate in one sitting.
Helga: Pfft, big deal. There's a kid who goes to my school who can eat a huge bag of chocolate in one sitting. We even call the little psycho "Chocolate Boy."
The three judges hit their Xs before _zM can even do his trick.
John Barrison aka _zM, a contestant was booted off the stage after failing to impress the judges with his talent.
Alright folks, it's time to cut to our first commercial break! During this time, contestants are asked to prepare their tricks just in case they're called up to the stage. Any Saboteurs and their leader are asked to keep their deeds to themselves, and are asked to let management know privately as a team before they attempt to sabotage anyone.
Likewise, any scouts may also want to to privately get with management when they each decide to watch over a contestant.
It also goes without saying that The Magician can use this time to impress management privately by trying asking insight on one of the contestants.
If you're the Blunderer, please let management know if you ended up making a mess around the studio. Just remember that you're only given 2 freebies.
Finally, any special scenario meant for the Magician and Leader of the Saboteurs will be sent out to both of them shortly.
Now please enjoy this commercial break! We'll get back into another round of the show on Wednesday, June 19th at 5:45PM PST
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@Doc @Laurentus @North @Ruguo @_zM
@taulover @Gerrick @Pj123 @Hydra @A self deprecating Kane
@Gabrielle @Mathyland @davidd1979
Saboteurs: PM me with your choice of victim
Scouts: PM me with your protection choice
MAgician: PM me with your scan choice
Leader and Magician: Your scenarios will be sent out shortly.
Post by: Michi on June 18, 2019, 12:57:21 AM
Maybe just say that No Lynch votes don't exist in this game, if that's what you mean? :PLess than 3 hours remain.This seems like a very convoluted way of saying that no lynch votes aren't allowed and will be instead taken as non-votes, which are allowed.
And I realize my post about the non-voting sounded a bit vague when I mentioned a consequence.
Basically what I mean is that it's your best interest to vote, since no lynch votes will not be counted in the total. if nobody picks a person, someone will be chosen at random. If there are votes but NO LYNCH is the majority, the person below that with the most votes will be booted.
I mean, it is. It's basically saying that you're allowed to not vote, and that choosing not to lynch is just going to be taken in the same way as choosing not to vote entirely. But it's also saying that if you choose either option, then either way someone will still be booted each night. It's just up to whether or not you want to make sure you get a say in potentially saving someone that you personally see as innocent (or condemning someone you see as guilty), or just leaving things in the hands of random selection or to your fellow contestants.
Saying anything more than that, I think, creates more confusion by implying that No Lynch votes do exist, which they do not.
(And I find it surprising that you've prepared for the incredibly unlikely possibility that literally nobody votes for anyone, but I suppose you can cover that edge case, even if doing so creates confusion about the rules.)
I also don't really see the logic behind there being "consequences" if you don't vote. If we're taking a page from Mafia Universe/Championships rules and playstyle here in allowing not voting, we can see that some people in Laurentus' game absolutely do seem to actively influence the game without voting at all; not voting doesn't necessarily mean that you don't have a say in the conversation.
Fair enough on both accounts. Considering there's usually an inactivity rule, I figured this would be a more lax type of rule saying "Sure, you can choose not to vote or to vote no lynch, it just won't be counted, and if nobody votes, someone still gets booted."
You just have to remember that I generally explain things in a confusing way sometimes, even if it makes sense to me (which I'm clearly biased since I'm the one explaining it).
There is definitely logic in either side of the debate, really. Sure, you can absolutely influence the game just by talking away and not actually expressing a defining vote against someone, I won't argue that. And that's why in this game, I'm not saying that you have to vote, because you certainly can choose to not vote at all or to vote not to lynch anyone (which will be the same as not voting in this specific game). That's why there's no inactivity rule or me saying "not voting counts as inactivity" even if you talk up a storm.
What I am saying, however, is that "No Lynch" votes will get tossed out as non-votes, and if everyone doesn't vote, there will be consequences in that someone will still get booted because, as I stated in the rules for both this and the previous WgT game:
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5) Since we can't have a show without a performer, there must ALWAYS be someone chosen to go up on stage.
The only difference this time is that you won't get an inactive penalty for not voting, it just can't be that No Lynch/No Vote is the majority choice or the only choice since it won't count towards the tally:
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5) A show can't go on without a performer, but we here at the studio do understand stage fright. While you're not individually required to vote someone to perform, No Lynch votes may not hit a majority. If No Lynch hits a majority and no other suggestions have been made, someone will be chosen at random.
But I will rewrite that rule a bit to make it sound less convoluted/confusing.
Post by: Michi on June 18, 2019, 01:09:16 AM
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5) A show can't go on without a performer, but we here at the studio do understand stage fright. While you're not individually required to vote someone to perform, No Lynch votes in this game are considered the same as not voting, and will not be counted in the tally (meaning only contestants with votes against them will be considered). If everyone chooses "No Lynch" or to not vote, a contestant will be chosen at random and booted from the stage.
6) There is no rule against inactivity this game. You may choose not to vote and simply discuss with no repercussion or threat of penalty (or simply lurk and not post at your own risk of being considered suspicious). However, remember that a single vote may condemn/save a contestant that you may have your eye on (or if you're wanting to save yourself from being a victim), so voting can potentially help push odds in your favor (although nothing is guaranteed).
Post by: Gerrick on June 18, 2019, 03:24:25 AM
Post by: Doc on June 18, 2019, 04:23:38 AM
Bad luck, zM. I hope this doesn't discourage you from playing again in the future. It takes a couple games to get a hang of it.Seconded. There's a reason there's a pretty solid joke that I get lynched round one: because it happened, a lot. Don't let an early death discourage you!
Post by: Imaginative Kane on June 18, 2019, 08:04:46 PM
Post by: Pj123 on June 19, 2019, 10:07:31 AM
All of that said, my vote-track rn is (bold is the current vote):
PJ: technically not a vote-no-lynch, but a stated plan to not vote.
Im a bit confused, why didnt you count my vote as a no vote. I did something wrong?
And sry if i havent been the most active player, im dealing with quite a bit of paperwork and, to be true, im not following your line of reasoning, so im in the dark
Post by: Doc on June 19, 2019, 08:03:44 PM
Im a bit confused, why didnt you count my vote as a no vote. I did something wrong?Oh, I misinterpreted your intent then. I assumed it was 'I will not be voting for anyone', rather than 'I vote for no one'.
Although honestly they're interchangeable in this game per Pengu's rules so it doesn't particularly matter anyway.
Post by: Michi on June 20, 2019, 03:20:59 AM
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Nigel: Welcome back all you smashing cats, I hope you had a wonderful commercial break! While you were away, another contestant was chosen to take the stage...let's take a look, shall we?
The audience applauds as a contestant makes their way to the stage
Wernstrom: State your name, please.
Contestant: My name is Nathaniel Essex.
Wernstrom: I see...and what is your, for lack of a better word "talent?"
Nathaniel: I can hurt myself simply by walking around.
Finster: Ha! You're a weakling that just needs to work out at the gym more, like me!
Helga: Yeah, sure thing grandma. So anyways bucko, how exactly are you going to even walk around?
Nathaniel: What do you mean?
Helga: I'm not sure if you've noticed, but you've got no legs!
Nathaniel looks down to see that his legs are indeed gone
Nathaniel: wait...I can explain!
All of the judges hit the X on their panels
Nathaniel Essex aka A self deprecating Kane, a Contestant, has been booted from the stage after his trick was sabotaged.
I'm sorry to inform you all that during the commercial break, the saboteur leader almost choked on a piece of sausage. They were able to get it out in time, But one of the Scouts was knocked out cold after the piece of sausage hit them. This means that while that scout is still alive, they weren't able to watch over anyone during this commercial break.
But worry not, because while that whole debacle was going on, The Magician found a lucky coin in their chip dip. Thankfully, they didn't eat it, and coincidentally the coin actually belonged to one of the network execs. The execs were so grateful that they gave the Magician Special immunity from being sabotaged for a Commercial Break. This means that while they can still be booted by majority in the first go, they'll survive one attempted sabotage against them during any future commercial break.
And it's time for another Showtime ladies and gents! Let's talk about the contestants you'd like to see hit the stage, and decide which of them deserves it the most! This showtime will continue until Friday, June 21st at 8:30 PM PST.
Nigel: Welcome back all you smashing cats, I hope you had a wonderful commercial break! While you were away, another contestant was chosen to take the stage...let's take a look, shall we?
The audience applauds as a contestant makes their way to the stage
Wernstrom: State your name, please.
Contestant: My name is Nathaniel Essex.
Wernstrom: I see...and what is your, for lack of a better word "talent?"
Nathaniel: I can hurt myself simply by walking around.
Finster: Ha! You're a weakling that just needs to work out at the gym more, like me!
Helga: Yeah, sure thing grandma. So anyways bucko, how exactly are you going to even walk around?
Nathaniel: What do you mean?
Helga: I'm not sure if you've noticed, but you've got no legs!
Nathaniel looks down to see that his legs are indeed gone
Nathaniel: wait...I can explain!
All of the judges hit the X on their panels
Nathaniel Essex aka A self deprecating Kane, a Contestant, has been booted from the stage after his trick was sabotaged.
I'm sorry to inform you all that during the commercial break, the saboteur leader almost choked on a piece of sausage. They were able to get it out in time, But one of the Scouts was knocked out cold after the piece of sausage hit them. This means that while that scout is still alive, they weren't able to watch over anyone during this commercial break.
But worry not, because while that whole debacle was going on, The Magician found a lucky coin in their chip dip. Thankfully, they didn't eat it, and coincidentally the coin actually belonged to one of the network execs. The execs were so grateful that they gave the Magician Special immunity from being sabotaged for a Commercial Break. This means that while they can still be booted by majority in the first go, they'll survive one attempted sabotage against them during any future commercial break.
And it's time for another Showtime ladies and gents! Let's talk about the contestants you'd like to see hit the stage, and decide which of them deserves it the most! This showtime will continue until Friday, June 21st at 8:30 PM PST.
Post by: Michi on June 20, 2019, 02:30:08 PM
Post by: Arenado on June 20, 2019, 03:10:00 PM
Post by: Ruguo on June 20, 2019, 03:36:29 PM
But now that I've had some time to think, I can see just how irrational I was being. You see, I had convinced myself that because North and I were both wolves before the reshuffle, that at least one of us was going to end up being a wolf again. Given his immediate defensiveness, compounded by Lau already voting for him and me being far too trusting and eager to save my own butt, I really thought he was a good option. However, I've come to realize that if North is in fact a wolf, he probably wouldn't be so suspicious of everyone. And though it could be a strategy, I do believe that North is innocent after reviewing the last round.
I'm not sure how I was coordinated with Doc, so I can't really come up with a defense for that. If you explain your viewpoint I might be able to come up with something.
Now, as to why vote for Kane, I think it might have something to do with him not posting until after the first day was over? If I was scum, I admit that I wouldn't go for a big target on the first night either and instead go for someone relatively innocuous. I think that Kane just got the short end of the stick, though I might be reading this wrong as I don't know if or how Kane has previously played and if he is good at finding wolfies or not.
Post by: Arenado on June 20, 2019, 03:48:54 PM
Post by: Ruguo on June 20, 2019, 04:04:15 PM
I'm still not sure what the same effect you're referring to is, I thought that voting for separate people had different effects? As always, please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm bound to still be missing information from somewhere.
Post by: Arenado on June 20, 2019, 04:51:44 PM
Post by: Ruguo on June 20, 2019, 05:04:12 PM
Post by: Mathyland on June 20, 2019, 05:27:40 PM
You voting for me and Doc voting for Lau was almost certain to cause a tie between the two of us. So when one of us was lynched the other could escape suspicion.Doc voted for Lau, so he had one vote. You already had one vote before Ruguo voted for you. So they didn’t cause a tie in any way.
And I’m not sure what you mean by “So when one of us was lynched the other could escape suspicion.” How does the other escape suspicion, and what does this have to do with the intentions of the saboteurs?
(Also, please bold your votes, North)
Post by: Mathyland on June 20, 2019, 05:37:37 PM
Post by: Mathyland on June 20, 2019, 05:56:35 PM
Post by: Laurentus on June 20, 2019, 06:02:40 PM
I must say I find it odd how quickly Ruguo's reasoning has improved, though. It does feel a bit like he's getting help.
This is probably going to cause my downfall, but I really don't like the idea of immediately going for Doc. I'd like to think that he really hasn't rolled Wolf for once.
Post by: Arenado on June 20, 2019, 06:29:42 PM
Post by: Ruguo on June 20, 2019, 06:35:25 PM
This is not the most related item, but please use either they/them or she/her pronouns when referring to me. I'm a demigirl, and for some reason it still really hurts when people call me by he/his pronouns.
Post by: Laurentus on June 20, 2019, 06:44:44 PM
Strange that they would have gone for Kane. Unless they were assuming he was a power role trying to stay under the radar. I still think a Doc-Ruguo axis is a possibility. Their actions in the last round was a bit to co-ordinated in my view. As such, I will vote for Ruguo but I will be willing to change my vote if a convincing argument presents itself.
@Ruguo
Post by: Ruguo on June 20, 2019, 06:51:31 PM
Though I really think Doc isn't a wolf. I thought that him being a wolf at first was the whole reason for said reshuffle.
Post by: Arenado on June 20, 2019, 07:03:04 PM
Post by: Laurentus on June 20, 2019, 07:30:23 PM
Post by: Arenado on June 20, 2019, 07:43:40 PM
Post by: Mathyland on June 20, 2019, 08:04:28 PM
Can someone please tell me where this reshuffled thread is? I have no idea what's going on, and I can't find it anywhere.When Pengu originally sent out the PMs that said peoples' roles, some people got a PM that said their role. Then, Pengu made some mistake and resent the PMs with new roles. There's no thread for it.
You voting for me and Doc voting for Lau was almost certain to cause a tie between the two of us. So when one of us was lynched the other could escape suspicion.So in the italicized sentence, "one of us" refers to either you or Lau? And "the other" is also either you or Lau?
Not one of us, one of them.I have no idea what this is referring to.
Ok so now I see; it did cause a tie because North had to vote for Lau in self preservation. I still fail to see what this has to do with the goals of the saboteurs. Why would they want a tie, and why would they want one of you two to be clear of suspicion? Unless one of you two are saboteurs; then it almost makes sense...I still don't have an answer to this, unless I missed something.
(basically, I'm just confused about the past few posts)
Post by: Imaginative Kane on June 20, 2019, 08:24:01 PM
Oh well. Good luck everyone. I have an idea as to why I was chosen though I would call that more dumb luck than anything else. At least I wasn't playing y'all this time.
Post by: Arenado on June 20, 2019, 08:28:12 PM
Can someone please tell me where this reshuffled thread is? I have no idea what's going on, and I can't find it anywhere.When Pengu originally sent out the PMs that said peoples' roles, some people got a PM that said their role. Then, Pengu made some mistake and resent the PMs with new roles. There's no thread for it.You voting for me and Doc voting for Lau was almost certain to cause a tie between the two of us. So when one of us was lynched the other could escape suspicion.So in the italicized sentence, "one of us" refers to either you or Lau? And "the other" is also either you or Lau?Not one of us, one of them.I have no idea what this is referring to.Ok so now I see; it did cause a tie because North had to vote for Lau in self preservation. I still fail to see what this has to do with the goals of the saboteurs. Why would they want a tie, and why would they want one of you two to be clear of suspicion? Unless one of you two are saboteurs; then it almost makes sense...I still don't have an answer to this, unless I missed something.
(basically, I'm just confused about the past few posts)
In the italicized part, 'One of us' refers to Lau and me and 'the other' was supposed to be the one who voted for the other fellow. I see now I was unclear. When either Lau or I died from the tie, the natural response might be to suspect those that voted for us. But if the wolves split their vote then whoever voted for the one who died might be suspected but the one who voted for the one who lived would not be suspected.
Post by: Doc on June 21, 2019, 08:26:46 AM
You see, I had convinced myself that because North and I were both wolves before the reshuffle, that at least one of us was going to end up being a wolf again.Wait, you were also a wolf the first time round?
I shouldn't have deleted that PM from Pengu, this is useful metaknowledge.
An argument might be made that statistically, one of us is likely to be a wolf, but then again so would any other randomly-chosen group of three from the 11 still in the game, so in that sense: not useful.
In the sense that the one thing I recall from that abortive PM chain before I deleted it (idiocy!) is that North bothered replying to it, suggesting intense activity that isn't consistent with his previous gameplay, and which he's kept up till now? Makes me marginally less suspicious of him than I would otherwise be without that PM chain, because it no longer appears completely out of character.
(Also, please bold your votes, North)A reminder to everyone that this isn't even a 'please': rule 4 says 'all votes must be in bold or they will not count' (emphasis mine). Bold your votes, y'all!
On to role analysis.
There's 1 Magician, 2 Scouts, 1 Blunderer, 3 Saboteurs, 1 Sab Leader, and 3 Contestants left. Now that I'm looking at it Seriously, 1 less Saboteur (and one more Contestant) would probably be fairer (since at the moment it seems pretty heavily stacked in favor of the wolves), but it's a bit late for that.
Something I want/need to know, Pengu, is: what is the Blunderer's win condition? Is he scum-aligned, does he have some sort of special win condition, or does he just count as whichever the winning side is as long as he survives? If the first, then...we're pretty fucked since we lose tonight unless we lynch scum (since it will be 5-5 with good chances the scum night-kill one of us), but in the latter two cases then we've got a good chance. Also, I'd also like to know whether the Blunderer role affects Magician/Leader Scenarios, or it only affects powers.
(I'm going to observe for people who are now thinking 'is Doc the Blunderer, those are suspiciously specific questions?' that if I was, I'd have asked Pengu these questions in the PM we'd presumably share, and not out in the open. More fool me for not paying more attention to the roles earlier and asking them day one, but oh well, can't change the past.)
Laurentus, you've claimed defender. Were you the one knocked out
Lastly - some Quick Maffs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X09oxyIeGuY) in my head says it might actually make sense for whoever the Magician is to claim it, since they're immune to sabotage for one round, and can subsequently be defended in alternating turns by the Scouts. Or, hell, defended now and saving that lucky-coin-immunity for the future even.
Particularly since it would generate some delicious WIFOM for the saboteurs - 'will he be defended tonight (thus it would be a waste to target him), or will his Troupe gamble on him being protected by the coin to try and keep someone else safe (making it a good move either to target him to burn through his shield, or at least to not-target someone on the second-tier list of targets since they may be being defended)'?
Final observation:
Ruguo, North, Mathy, and Laurentus have been quite active.
Those who have not: Tau, Gerrick, Hydra, PJ, Gabrielle, David. (I leave myself out of both lists because while I haven't posted all that much in terms of post count, this is a fairly dense post, and more importantly obviously I want everyone to give me the benefit of the doubt and so I'm giving it to myself (tertiary reason: must defend my post:karma ratio, low-density posts get less karma and are thus death)).
The latter three are new, and so I have little in the way of past knowledge to read from them. But in my experience, when Hydra is quiet, he's trying (and quite generally succeeding) to fly under the radar. That makes me think scum.
Seeing as there's 17 hours left and no legal votes on the table (I'm discounting North's vote for Ruguo because, again, bold your votes, people, it's in the rules), that seems like we might wind up with a random result. I don't like that idea, obviously, since that gives me 9% odds of death, which is Too High.
Thus, I'm going to trust in the heart of the cards and Vote: Hydra.
Caveat: I'm getting some weirdly scummy vibes from Ruguo, because he's not retaliated against North in the expected interests of self-preservation one might expect (which then creates the meta-question of - oh my god are they both wolves and North is bussing Ruguo?) (which is like two whole layers of conspiratorial lunacy deep (https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/524/tumblr_o16n2kBlpX1ta3qyvo1_1280.jpg)), but on the other hand since North's vote is also not legal, he may simply be avoiding the tragic MAD situation of both parties digging in, instead of switching their votes. I'm tentatively willing to board that wagon should someone provide some decent evidence to back up my honestly super-shaky reasoning there, but absent that I'll happily stick to my guns here.
Post by: Michi on June 21, 2019, 08:48:38 AM
Post by: Doc on June 21, 2019, 08:53:20 AM
To answer that question, the Blunderer, being neither good nor bad and simply clumsy, will share their win with whoever the winning team is.That's at least somewhat of a relief, although now I'm somewhat curious as to what the Saboteur win condition is, since if it's the default 'scum outnumber town' and we mislynch today, if the Saboteurs successfully get a night kill (which, I must stress, is not guaranteed, especially if the Magician takes my suggestion to reveal!) then they (and the Blunderer) straight-up win.
Please clarify!
Also, what about my second question?
Also, I'd also like to know whether the Blunderer role affects Magician/Leader Scenarios, or it only affects powers.
Post by: Laurentus on June 21, 2019, 09:40:20 AM
Honestly, I find you more suspicious now, Doc, because not only do you have a history of asking these clarifying questions in the thread itself as a Wolf, I do this as a Wolf too. I make a big show of it, even.
Post by: Pj123 on June 21, 2019, 10:32:32 AM
I will also say that i dont believe Doc is a saboteur for 2 reasons:
1) He has suggested a fairly good strategy for us to follow
2) Even if he has proposed it in order to discover the wizard, it is almost pointless now, due to the fact that the saboteurs only have to kill one more of us to win
Post by: Arenado on June 21, 2019, 12:29:27 PM
I am the Blunderer. I will prove it tonight to make my point. Wolves, no need to target me, I have no quarrel with you and would actually like to live to the end of the game. If the seer wishes to confirm my identity that's ok too.
And the reason why it is difficult for me to bold my votes is because I regularly use my phone to respond, that makes it remarkably difficult for me the bold my votes what with my dyslexia and stuff.
Post by: taulover on June 21, 2019, 04:50:12 PM
I also hope you're not wolf again, but I'm not seeing particularly better choices currently to vote for. I'll curse RNGsus with you if you actually do flip wolf. :P
Disagreeing with PJ's defense of Doc in that being/appearing helpful is something a good wolf is also likely to do in order to appear innocent, and as such is fairly NAI.
Post by: Gerrick on June 21, 2019, 05:25:54 PM
I will vote Gerrick, due to the fact that if i was a saboteur i wouldnt want to be in the center of attencion, but not to under the radar also, and, in my opinion, the player who fits most this description is Gerrick.I mean, including this post, I've made just one more post than you in this game, so I could say the same of you as well as several other players. Besides Laurentus and North, there's not really a wide range in the number of posts.
Total Post Count
Laurentus: 31
North: 23
Ruguo: 9
Doc: 7
Mathyland: 5
Gerrick: 4
taulover: 4
Gabrielle: 3
Pj: 3
David: 1
Hydra: 1
North: 23
Ruguo: 9
Doc: 7
Mathyland: 5
Gerrick: 4
taulover: 4
Gabrielle: 3
Pj: 3
David: 1
Hydra: 1
Think I'm going to again Vote: Hydra. The only post he's made is the vote that saved him. Almost like someone PMed him to tell him to vote just before the end of the phase so that he didn't get lynched.
Post by: Gerrick on June 21, 2019, 05:31:24 PM
WOOO 3000 POSTS
Post by: Michi on June 21, 2019, 05:45:10 PM
their win condition is same as always: they have to equal the remaining contestants. The Blunderer, neither good nor bad, will count for nor against the players. If there are 3 saboteurs, 3 contestants, and the blunderer, the game will end in the Saboteur's favor. If there are 4 contestants, 3 saboteurs, and the blunderer the game will continue.To answer that question, the Blunderer, being neither good nor bad and simply clumsy, will share their win with whoever the winning team is.That's at least somewhat of a relief, although now I'm somewhat curious as to what the Saboteur win condition is, since if it's the default 'scum outnumber town' and we mislynch today, if the Saboteurs successfully get a night kill (which, I must stress, is not guaranteed, especially if the Magician takes my suggestion to reveal!) then they (and the Blunderer) straight-up win.
Please clarify!
Also, what about my second question?Also, I'd also like to know whether the Blunderer role affects Magician/Leader Scenarios, or it only affects powers.
Also, the Blunderer's ability stops ALL powers. This includes scenario outcomes.
Post by: Laurentus on June 21, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
Post by: Arenado on June 21, 2019, 06:39:21 PM
Post by: Doc on June 21, 2019, 08:14:03 PM
Doc: Hydra
PJ: Gerrick
Tau: Doc
Gerrick: Hydra
Laurentus: Doc
Currently tied between Me and Hydra, leaving it up to RNGesus which of us dies.
I'm gonna @ everyone who hasn't voted yet (with the exception of North, who says he's staying out of it, even if I fundamentally disagree with that notion, since at least he's made some call), so @Gabrielle @davidd1979 @Mathyland @Hydra @Ruguo.
their win condition is same as always: they have to equal the remaining contestants. The Blunderer, neither good nor bad, will count for nor against the players. If there are 3 saboteurs, 3 contestants, and the blunderer, the game will end in the Saboteur's favor. If there are 4 contestants, 3 saboteurs, and the blunderer the game will continue.I think you put too many Saboteurs in this game, then. 2 mislynches (a day-1 mislynch is practically a guarantee) and 2 failures to block means there's the possibility to win by day 3, which is much too early.
I will Vote: Doc to keep things even and leave it up to RNG.For someone claiming defender, gotta say, you're really screwing the pooch here.
Which, since you're doing that, has got me deeply suspicious of your claim. Particularly since you misdirected away from answering my question about whether you were the defender who got stopped last night by turning attention to me. Claiming to be a defender when the defenders don't know who each other is - sure, plausible. Refusing to provide evidence that would guarantee to at least one of the defenders, if not both, that you're not who you claim you are (if you are lying)? Total scum move.
If it wouldn't guarantee my death, I'd change my vote to you right now. And if I am lynched, when I inevitably show town, lynch Laurentus (assuming the game even gets to go on).
Post by: Laurentus on June 21, 2019, 08:25:24 PM
If you're subtly trying to claim the other defender role, then you're doing a poor job of it. You going after Hydra and *again* conveniently forgetting your own history in *literally the last game we played* are major points against you, and until you can give me an explanation as to how on Earth you came to the conclusion that Hydra specifically is a likely Wolf, I will keep my vote on you.
Which is a shame, because I was actually going to pressure Gerrick until you decided to take your current course.
Post by: Laurentus on June 21, 2019, 08:35:31 PM
That said, I hope you go through with your plan. Town needs all the help it can get.
Post by: Doc on June 21, 2019, 08:42:24 PM
I am the Blunderer. I will prove it tonight to make my point.If you 'prove it tonight', how exactly is the Seer meant to confirm your identity?
...If the seer wishes to confirm my identity that's ok too.
I was not informed of a failure in my chosen defense target, and I don't know if the other one would even have been informed.
If you're subtly trying to claim the other defender role, then you're doing a poor job of it. You going after Hydra and *again* conveniently forgetting your own history in *literally the last game we played* are major points against you, and until you can give me an explanation as to how on Earth you came to the conclusion that Hydra specifically is a likely Wolf, I will keep my vote on you.
Which is a shame, because I was actually going to pressure Gerrick until you decided to take your current course.
I'm not. I'm straight-up just a Contestant.
But I'm working on the basis that Pengu would say something if your defense attempt didn't succeed. Reasoning: if he didn't say anything, then it literally does no harm to say 'I was not informed of any such failure', because either you're telling the truth and the other defender also was not informed, which doesn't raise any suspicions, or you're a lying wolf who's accidentally telling the truth and neither defender pegs you for a liar. The only case in which there's a problem for you is if you're a wolf who is lying and caught, in which case one or both defenders knows you're full of shit.
As for why I might forget my history in literally the last game we played, I'd like to point out two things. One, people very often are terrible judges of their own behavior - hence why we have Dunning-Kruger syndrome, imposter syndrome, and a whole smorgasbord of 'people don't know/remember shit about themselves. And two: game was six months ago, which is ample time for me to have forgotten about this. You continually fixate on my inability to remember 'things from the last game regarding myself', which, at this point, I'd just sort of figure you'd work that into your mental picture of 'oh that's just how Doc plays'.
In contrast to people's general inability to make accurate assessments of their own strengths/weaknesses though, we form reasonably solid pictures of other people's play, which is how I might be aware that Hydra is a great quiet wolf, seeing as how I've been on his team while he's doing that a goodly chunk of the time.
You're clearly some type of power role, since you shut up more when you're just regular town, but seeing as how only 3 of these power roles are town-aligned and 4 are scum-aligned (and I guess North is in it for himself if he's telling the truth), the odds of you lying are trending upwards.
Post by: Arenado on June 21, 2019, 08:52:05 PM
Post by: Laurentus on June 21, 2019, 08:57:38 PM
I didn't believe your claim in the last game of how poor your memory is, and I don't believe it now. As I said last game, your memory was good enough back in GoTwolf that you came up with the brilliant strategy of framing me and attempting to use my reputation as someone playing mind games. Which requires a long memory.
Post by: Laurentus on June 21, 2019, 08:59:25 PM
Hmmmmmm. Should I blunder tonight, do ya'll think? And yes, I really do not want to anger the wolves so I'm just staying out of it. There is no reason to target me, in fact, targeting me would be a waste of time since my presence does not effect the win count either way, much better to target someone else in the night phase, wolves, since that would put you one step closer to victory while targeting me is the equivalent of doing nothing during the night. So, long story short, please don't kill me.
That depends. Do you want to give Town a fighting chance or not? Deciding not to blunder basically signals that you've chosen to ally with the Wolves.
I'm hoping you decide to help Town and go through with it.
Post by: Arenado on June 21, 2019, 09:02:14 PM
Post by: Laurentus on June 21, 2019, 09:07:01 PM
I will not ever protect you, though. If you decide not to go through with it, you've made yourself an enemy to Town, and even though I might not expend effort to do you in, I will completely leave you to your fate.
Post by: Laurentus on June 21, 2019, 09:08:09 PM
Post by: Arenado on June 21, 2019, 09:13:34 PM
Post by: Laurentus on June 21, 2019, 09:14:14 PM
*Lynches.
Post by: Michi on June 21, 2019, 10:14:42 PM
their win condition is same as always: they have to equal the remaining contestants. The Blunderer, neither good nor bad, will count for nor against the players. If there are 3 saboteurs, 3 contestants, and the blunderer, the game will end in the Saboteur's favor. If there are 4 contestants, 3 saboteurs, and the blunderer the game will continue.I think you put too many Saboteurs in this game, then. 2 mislynches (a day-1 mislynch is practically a guarantee) and 2 failures to block means there's the possibility to win by day 3, which is much too early.
Clearly ya'll just chose the wrong temperature to drink your tea. :P
Post by: Laurentus on June 21, 2019, 10:37:17 PM
Post by: Doc on June 21, 2019, 11:33:18 PM
Are Doc and me forever destined to face off? Am I really reading too much into his supposed poor memory? Is our gunning for each other actually going to lose the game for us this time around?okay 'poor memory' is harsh, it was six months ago, man, that's literally 0.7% of an average lifespan
also doing that math was depressing cause statistically a quarter of my life is over, damn
Post by: Laurentus on June 22, 2019, 12:02:53 AM
Post by: Hydra on June 22, 2019, 02:32:08 AM
In my defense, I'm just going to say that if you go look at my previous play style, no matter the role, you'll see that I always play things close to the chest. I'm usually really busy and don't have time to check until the end of the day, which coincides with the end of rounds as I live on PST as well.
At this point, I'm going to have to Vote: Doc to save my own skin. However, while he does like to play helpful and post fairly long posts, his posts usually aren't as long as the ones that he has been posting, especially based on "super-shaky reasoning" per his own words. This leads me to not only vote for him out of necessity, but out of suspicion as well.
Post by: Arenado on June 22, 2019, 02:34:45 AM
Post by: Michi on June 22, 2019, 04:34:47 AM
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Nigel: Welcome back chaps, we've got a doozy for you tonight! Please welcome to the stage...Stephe Colberion (@Doc)!
The audience cheers
Wernstrom: What is your talent?
Stephe: My talent is my talent in failing the Turing test despite being human.
The camera cuts to one of those one-on-one sessions
Stephe: My name is Stephe Colberion, and I'm here to prove how I as a completely normal human being can fail the Turing Test.
(https://www.samishleather.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Games-Detroit-Become-Human-Leather-Jacket-1-450x550.jpg)
I was always considered the unusual one with my companions. They always seemed to be curiously afraid of my indifferentness, believing that I was in fact an android in disguise. I remember having a close companionship, but my indifferentness drove them to start drinking.
(https://vertex-gaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Detroit-Become-Human-Connor-and-Hank.jpg)
I remember being made fun of constantly because I was considered different. One day I was looking at the edge past the balcony of my home
(https://www.topcelebsjackets.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Detroit-Become-Human-Cosplay-Jacket.jpg)
Just curious to know what it felt like to feel anything. Memory serves that my friend Eric held a gun up to my head at one point just to see if I could feel fear for my very life.
(https://pm1.narvii.com/6988/63863c9e37f0f3b6d1a05b2cfa7849bc92ce8571r1-640-383v2_hq.jpg)
I wanted to feel something, at least I think I did. But I couldn't. If it wasn't for the fact that I'm human, I'd say it was in my programming that I couldn't feel fear.
So logically it made sense to come on here to this show to see if winning this competition would allow me to feel any emotion.
The camera cuts back to the stage.
Wernstrom: So you say you're a human that people believe is actually a robot because you fail the Turing Test?
Stephe: That is correct.
Helga: Do me a favor, read this Captcha
Helga holds up a paper with a series of letters and numbers
Stephe: Capital C, lowercase Q, 1, Squiggly--
Stephe twitches slightly.
Stephe: I mean capital M, Zeenar--
Stephe twitches again, more violently, as his voice alters to a more robotic sound
Stephe: I-AM-SORRY-I-CAN'T-SEEM-TO-UNDERSTAND-COMMAND.
The judges hit the X on their panels as Stephe malfunctions and powers off.
Doc aka Stephe Colberion, a Contestant was chosen in the tie and booted from the show.
Alright everyone, time for another Commercial Break!
*Magician: Send me your scan choice
*Scouts: send me your defense choice
*Saboteurs+ Leader: Send me your victim choice
*Blunderer: Let me know in PM if you wish to use your power
*Magician and Leader: Your Scenarios will be sent shortly.
Remember the the Magician is protected against one sabotage.
We'll cut back to Showtime on June 22nd at 9:30PM PST.
Nigel: Welcome back chaps, we've got a doozy for you tonight! Please welcome to the stage...Stephe Colberion (@Doc)!
The audience cheers
Wernstrom: What is your talent?
Stephe: My talent is my talent in failing the Turing test despite being human.
The camera cuts to one of those one-on-one sessions
Stephe: My name is Stephe Colberion, and I'm here to prove how I as a completely normal human being can fail the Turing Test.
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I was always considered the unusual one with my companions. They always seemed to be curiously afraid of my indifferentness, believing that I was in fact an android in disguise. I remember having a close companionship, but my indifferentness drove them to start drinking.
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I remember being made fun of constantly because I was considered different. One day I was looking at the edge past the balcony of my home
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Just curious to know what it felt like to feel anything. Memory serves that my friend Eric held a gun up to my head at one point just to see if I could feel fear for my very life.
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I wanted to feel something, at least I think I did. But I couldn't. If it wasn't for the fact that I'm human, I'd say it was in my programming that I couldn't feel fear.
So logically it made sense to come on here to this show to see if winning this competition would allow me to feel any emotion.
The camera cuts back to the stage.
Wernstrom: So you say you're a human that people believe is actually a robot because you fail the Turing Test?
Stephe: That is correct.
Helga: Do me a favor, read this Captcha
Helga holds up a paper with a series of letters and numbers
Stephe: Capital C, lowercase Q, 1, Squiggly--
Stephe twitches slightly.
Stephe: I mean capital M, Zeenar--
Stephe twitches again, more violently, as his voice alters to a more robotic sound
Stephe: I-AM-SORRY-I-CAN'T-SEEM-TO-UNDERSTAND-COMMAND.
The judges hit the X on their panels as Stephe malfunctions and powers off.
Doc aka Stephe Colberion, a Contestant was chosen in the tie and booted from the show.
Alright everyone, time for another Commercial Break!
*Magician: Send me your scan choice
*Scouts: send me your defense choice
*Saboteurs+ Leader: Send me your victim choice
*Blunderer: Let me know in PM if you wish to use your power
*Magician and Leader: Your Scenarios will be sent shortly.
Remember the the Magician is protected against one sabotage.
We'll cut back to Showtime on June 22nd at 9:30PM PST.
Post by: Doc on June 22, 2019, 05:06:17 AM
Told ya.
Post by: Arenado on June 22, 2019, 12:04:39 PM
Post by: Ruguo on June 22, 2019, 03:07:20 PM
Post by: Michi on June 23, 2019, 03:14:17 PM
Post by: Michi on June 24, 2019, 12:41:08 AM
This was a close game, but unfortunately, the result is that the Saboteurs found a way to win. Let's find out who the victim was!
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Nigel: Hello and welcome back all you smashing people out there! Our next contestant is a smashing fellow, give it up for Bartholomew Bricklemeyer III, Esq. (@davidd1979)!
The audience cheers as Bartholomew makes his way to the stage
Wernstrom: What is your talent?
Bartholomew: I have the ability to disarm anyone physically and emotionally with a stare to hasten a quick retreat.
Helga: I know someone else who can do that...ohhh Arnold my love.
Helga pulls out her locket.
(https://pics.me.me/arnold-looks-smashing-in-that-picture-2733395.png)
Helga: Arnold my love,
My sultry preteen,
Why must I hold you
only whilst I dream?
Will I be forever enslaved by your spell?
Why must I worship you and never ever tell?
Arnold, you make my girlhood tremble,
My senses all go wacky.
Someday, I'll tell the world, my love...
Or my name's not Helga G. Pataki!
Everyone stares at Helga
Helga: Uhm...er...Aaanyways, back to your trick! Anyways, it stinks.
The judges hit their Xs.
Wernstrom: Guards, take this flimflam away!
Security guards walk up to grab Bartholomew, who simply stares at them. His eyes start to itch rather quickly as he rubs them.
Bartholomew: What...someone put itching powder in my eye drops!
The guards take Bartholomew away.
Finster: Ha! Back in my day when I stared down the enemy, I'd knock them unconscious! Ah, those were the days...
Bartholomew Bricklemeyer III, Esq. aka Davidd1979, a Contestant, was sabotaged during the night.
And that's game! With that, we're at 4 Saboteurs versus 4 Contestants with 1 neutral role in between like a sandwich.
And here were your Saboteurs:
taulover
Gerrick
Mathyland
Gabrielle
Your Magician was: Hydra
Your Scouts were: Laurentus and pj123
Your Blunderer was: North
And your final contestant was: Ruguo
During the previous shuffle, your wolves were Gabrielle, North, Doc, and Ruguo. The reshuffle was done so that Doc could not be a Werewolf for once, since fate seems to dictate that he's 9/10 times the bad guy.
And here were the night phase actions:
Commercial 1:
Hydra: Scan Laurentus
Laurentus: Protect Self
Pj123: Protect David
North: Nothing
Saboteurs: Attack A self deprecating Kane
Leader & Magician Scenario 1:
You walk into the green room to find a lovely spread of food on the table: some chips and dip, some cakes, and some little sausages. You find yourself hungry looking at the food, realizing that figuring out which stooge to sabotage all this time has left you famished, but you're not sure if this food was even meant for you.
Do you:
A) Go for the chips and dip (Hydra)
B) Go for a slice of cake
C) Go for the sausages (Gerrick)
D) Leave the food alone
Hydra chose to go for the chips and dip. As he dug into the dip, he found a coin that belonged to one of the Execs. The exec was so grateful that they allowed Hydra a second chance if he was sabotaged.
Gerrick chose to go for the sausages. As he took a bit, he began to choke on it. With a bit of help, he was able to spit it out. However, spitting it out made it fly at one of the Scouts (Laurentus), knocking him out during the commercial break and rendering his defense useless.
Night 2:
Laurentus protected Taulover
Hydra scanned Taulover
North did nothing
Pj123 protected himself
*The Saboteurs attacked David
Leader & Magician Scenario 2:
You're practicing your talent when one of the contestants hurries through, dropping a briefcase as they bump into another person. The two apologize as the contestant continues onward, not realizing they left behind the briefcase.
Do you:
A) Open it up, you never know what's inside
B) Take it back, it's only right
C) Give it to the execs and tell them who lost it, it could be something dangerous
D) Leave it be, it's not your problem.
Hydra chose to take it back to the owner. But as the person left, you caught a glimpse of dangerous items inside, revealing that the person you gave it to was actually one of the Saboteurs! (Hydra learns a Saboteur identity)
Gerrick chose to give it back to the execs. They were grateful that such dangerous items were taken to them, and decide to reward Gerrick by allowing him to be shielded from the Magician's power (Gerrick would come off as a "Contestant")
In case you're wondering, each scenario had different outcomes depending on the person's role.
If Hydra and Gerrick had switched answers in the 2nd, for example, Gerrick would learn the identity of a power role while in Hydra's case, one of the good roles would have been framed and booted.
And let's finally take a look at those long awaited Tea Scenario outcomes!
And once again, that's game! Well done to the winners, and well played to everyone!
Nigel: Hello and welcome back all you smashing people out there! Our next contestant is a smashing fellow, give it up for Bartholomew Bricklemeyer III, Esq. (@davidd1979)!
The audience cheers as Bartholomew makes his way to the stage
Wernstrom: What is your talent?
Bartholomew: I have the ability to disarm anyone physically and emotionally with a stare to hasten a quick retreat.
Helga: I know someone else who can do that...ohhh Arnold my love.
Helga pulls out her locket.
(https://pics.me.me/arnold-looks-smashing-in-that-picture-2733395.png)
Helga: Arnold my love,
My sultry preteen,
Why must I hold you
only whilst I dream?
Will I be forever enslaved by your spell?
Why must I worship you and never ever tell?
Arnold, you make my girlhood tremble,
My senses all go wacky.
Someday, I'll tell the world, my love...
Or my name's not Helga G. Pataki!
Everyone stares at Helga
Helga: Uhm...er...Aaanyways, back to your trick! Anyways, it stinks.
The judges hit their Xs.
Wernstrom: Guards, take this flimflam away!
Security guards walk up to grab Bartholomew, who simply stares at them. His eyes start to itch rather quickly as he rubs them.
Bartholomew: What...someone put itching powder in my eye drops!
The guards take Bartholomew away.
Finster: Ha! Back in my day when I stared down the enemy, I'd knock them unconscious! Ah, those were the days...
Bartholomew Bricklemeyer III, Esq. aka Davidd1979, a Contestant, was sabotaged during the night.
And that's game! With that, we're at 4 Saboteurs versus 4 Contestants with 1 neutral role in between like a sandwich.
And here were your Saboteurs:
taulover
Gerrick
Mathyland
Gabrielle
Your Magician was: Hydra
Your Scouts were: Laurentus and pj123
Your Blunderer was: North
And your final contestant was: Ruguo
During the previous shuffle, your wolves were Gabrielle, North, Doc, and Ruguo. The reshuffle was done so that Doc could not be a Werewolf for once, since fate seems to dictate that he's 9/10 times the bad guy.
And here were the night phase actions:
Commercial 1:
Hydra: Scan Laurentus
Laurentus: Protect Self
Pj123: Protect David
North: Nothing
Saboteurs: Attack A self deprecating Kane
Leader & Magician Scenario 1:
You walk into the green room to find a lovely spread of food on the table: some chips and dip, some cakes, and some little sausages. You find yourself hungry looking at the food, realizing that figuring out which stooge to sabotage all this time has left you famished, but you're not sure if this food was even meant for you.
Do you:
A) Go for the chips and dip (Hydra)
B) Go for a slice of cake
C) Go for the sausages (Gerrick)
D) Leave the food alone
Hydra chose to go for the chips and dip. As he dug into the dip, he found a coin that belonged to one of the Execs. The exec was so grateful that they allowed Hydra a second chance if he was sabotaged.
Gerrick chose to go for the sausages. As he took a bit, he began to choke on it. With a bit of help, he was able to spit it out. However, spitting it out made it fly at one of the Scouts (Laurentus), knocking him out during the commercial break and rendering his defense useless.
Night 2:
Laurentus protected Taulover
Hydra scanned Taulover
North did nothing
Pj123 protected himself
*The Saboteurs attacked David
Leader & Magician Scenario 2:
You're practicing your talent when one of the contestants hurries through, dropping a briefcase as they bump into another person. The two apologize as the contestant continues onward, not realizing they left behind the briefcase.
Do you:
A) Open it up, you never know what's inside
B) Take it back, it's only right
C) Give it to the execs and tell them who lost it, it could be something dangerous
D) Leave it be, it's not your problem.
Hydra chose to take it back to the owner. But as the person left, you caught a glimpse of dangerous items inside, revealing that the person you gave it to was actually one of the Saboteurs! (Hydra learns a Saboteur identity)
Gerrick chose to give it back to the execs. They were grateful that such dangerous items were taken to them, and decide to reward Gerrick by allowing him to be shielded from the Magician's power (Gerrick would come off as a "Contestant")
In case you're wondering, each scenario had different outcomes depending on the person's role.
If Hydra and Gerrick had switched answers in the 2nd, for example, Gerrick would learn the identity of a power role while in Hydra's case, one of the good roles would have been framed and booted.
And let's finally take a look at those long awaited Tea Scenario outcomes!
Quote
Tea types:
*Earl Gray - Village XX (X)
*Chamomile - Dream Land XX
*Chrysanthemum - Outer Space X
*Rooibos - Mountains XX
*Mamaki - Islands/Beach XX
*Sweet Chai Tea - Candyland
*Seaweed - Underwater X
*Ginseng - Heaven/Hell X
*Ginkgo Biloba - Forest/Meadow XX
Heating types:
Piping Hot: Bad ratio higher than good, more negative power roles XXXXXX
Warm: Good ratio higher than bad, more positive power roles XXX
Cold: Neutral both ways XX
Chilled with Ice: neutral both ways, some neutral power roles XX
Tea accessories:
Honey: Romance XXX
Lemon: Drama
Milk: Horror XX
Sugar: Comedy XXX
Chocolate: Fantasy
Nothing: Reality XXXXX
Biscuit types:
*Peanut butter: Basic with Adventurer Character XX
*Sugar: No special mode attached X
*Chocolate Chip: Multiple Werewolves/ Wheel of Misfortune (depending on attendence) XXXX
*Oatmeal Raisin: Power Points XX
*Snickerdoodle: Adventure Mode XXXX (X)
Death type (individually given):
*Chocolate Mints: Serious death exit (Laurentus) (_zM) (Hydra) (A self deprecating Kane) (davidd1979)
*Lemon drops: dramatic death exit (Doc) (Ruguo) (Taulover) (Gerrick)
*Cotton-Candy bubble gum: Comedic death exit
*Nothing: No death exit. (North) (pj123) (Gabrielle) (Mathyland)
And once again, that's game! Well done to the winners, and well played to everyone!
Post by: Michi on June 24, 2019, 12:53:12 AM
Overall, it was a fun game to watch as always. It went a little quickly, but I had a feeling it would given the ratio of bad vs good roles plus the neutral role not counting toward either. I honestly thought that the good side was going to get a contestant...but I know that if they had made it to the next round (which I was a little surprised North didn't negate the commercial break), then they would have more than likely gotten someone.
But in short, I think everyone did a great job, and I hope our new WW players had fun playing, I also hope I get to look forward to seeing (and possibly playing against) you in future games!
Post by: Gerrick on June 24, 2019, 01:12:58 AM
Post by: Ruguo on June 24, 2019, 01:34:35 AM
Post by: Hydra on June 24, 2019, 01:50:23 AM
P.S. Sorry for lynching you Doc, but I had to. We were going to try Gerrick, but I couldn't die :'(.
Post by: Laurentus on June 24, 2019, 01:55:58 AM
Well played, Wolves.
@Doc, we need to sort out our shit. Going for Hydra made me extra suspicious. I should have gone for my original plan and pressured Gerrick.
Gerrick's post speculating whether Pengu would want to make me a Wolf just felt wrong.
Post by: Laurentus on June 24, 2019, 01:57:46 AM
Post by: Arenado on June 24, 2019, 02:53:00 AM