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Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Wintermoot on July 27, 2017, 08:09:09 AM
Wintreath Underhusen Election
Nominate and Stand for Election!



Here you may nominate someone for or stand for election to the next term of the Underhusen. As stated in the Fundamental Laws only Citizens of Wintreath can be nominated for or stand for elections. Once you have stood for election, you may begin campaigning by creating a topic in this forum. Elections will begin on 1 August 2016.

If you need more information on the function and purpose of the Underhusen, please check out our Fundamental Laws (http://wintreath.com/index.php?part=law&act=detail&id=1).

Good luck to all our candidates!

Candidates for Underhusen

Outstanding Nominations
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Mathyland on July 27, 2017, 12:08:19 PM
I'll stand and nominate
@Chanku
@North
@Crushita
@Gattoartico
@taulover
@BraveSirRobin
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Arenado on July 27, 2017, 12:39:53 PM
I accept my nomination.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Chanku on July 28, 2017, 04:49:27 AM
I'll accept
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Crushita on July 28, 2017, 02:10:46 PM
I accept.
Because for some reason you people keep voting for me!
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: BraveSirRobin on July 31, 2017, 05:06:09 PM
My gosh.  I suppose I'll accept my nomination and run simply to ensure that all the seats are full!! :o

Also I'll get the Steak Fry up eventually because it's always fun!  :D
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: taulover on August 03, 2017, 02:33:22 AM
I'll decline my nomination as usual, sorry.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Michi on August 04, 2017, 05:56:18 AM
Since the topic hasn't been updated and voting hasn't started, is it too late to run? :o
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Chanku on August 04, 2017, 08:55:18 PM
Since the topic hasn't been updated and voting hasn't started, is it too late to run? :o
Yes, Legally the elections would have started on the first however given that only 5 candidates stood, those 5 automatically got the seats.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Wintermoot on August 04, 2017, 09:01:11 PM
On the other hand, I like elections, so...
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Chanku on August 04, 2017, 09:02:30 PM
On the other hand, I like elections, so...
Yes Wintermoot, but the laws are very clear on this.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Michi on August 04, 2017, 09:21:02 PM
On the other hand, I like elections, so...
Yes Wintermoot, but the laws are very clear on this.

But as we've learned with UH procedures from time to time, laws are not always followed.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Michi on August 04, 2017, 09:26:21 PM
I'll also add that, again, the thread was technically never updated nor closed/locked and followed up with a thread congratulating the candidates.  So in technicality, the nominations weren't actually closed off.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Crushita on August 04, 2017, 09:47:00 PM
On the other hand, I like elections, so...
Yes Wintermoot, but the laws are very clear on this.

But as we've learned with UH procedures from time to time, laws are not always followed.

Yeah, I prefer elections to not elections personally. I say we have one.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Chanku on August 04, 2017, 11:28:01 PM
Fundamental Laws, Article I, Section 2 and Section 3 are very clear about this:
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2. The Underhusen shall be comprised of no less than four and no more than seven Skrifa elected by the Citizens of Wintreath. The exact number of Skrifa shall be determined by the Underhusen prior to Underhusen elections opening. Should the number of candidates not exceed the determined number of Skrifa, all candidates shall be considered elected by default.

3. Underhusen elections shall begin on the first day of the months of February, April, June, August, October, and December. Skrifa shall be elected by plurality vote. In the event of a tie between two or more candidates, a run-off vote shall be conducted to resolve the tie vote. If a vacancy occurs in the Underhusen, a special election to fill the vacancy shall be held within seven days of the vacancy being created unless there are fewer than twenty-one days remaining in the Underhusen's term.
The law is clear-cut on this issue. Just because some law isn't followed, doesn't mean that other law doesn't apply. While I would enjoy an election, one can not happen because of the Fundamental Laws. Unless you are suggesting we violate the constitution, in which case why should we pretend to even have one anymore? Why not just dissolve everything and give the power to Wintermoot entirely?

Further precedent, this would gut the ability to actually hold elections. There are certain things I won't stand for and violating the Constitution is one of them.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Michi on August 05, 2017, 12:20:08 AM
I don't even know why I bother with you sometimes, Chanku.  You're all for bending the law when it suits you, but god forbid anyone else do it, because you'll clamp down on them harder than anyone else including Wintermoot would even care to do.

But that's discussion better fit for somewhere out of here.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Chanku on August 05, 2017, 01:12:52 AM
Hell even if I wasn't running in this election, I wouldn't support bending this. This is relatively hard put in the Fundamental Laws based upon these two facts:

1. Elections must occur during the first week of a set of months (Currently it's the first week of August). Therefore it leads that the first day of a month starts the elections.
2. If the number of candidates are equal to the amount of seats then no election shall occur.

Given that the second statement can only trigger at the start of an election, it must mean that the first statement has already occurred. The election should have begun on August 1st. However when it became August 1st, there were only five candidates (as there are five seats open). Because of that, all of the candidates were immediately elected because of Article I, Section 2.

I will admit a person can be added to the election after nominations begin, as nominations aren't legally defined. The only requirement to be apart of the vote is that someone stand for the election whether or not that is before or during the election (as legally there is no prohibition on that). The elections are already considered over as per the Fundamental Laws.

Now would I like to have an election, yes. Should we violate the Fundamental Laws and hold one? No. We should not.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Michi on August 05, 2017, 01:19:19 AM
As you wish, your majesty.  Your word is law, after all.  I shall never attempt to ever question when you bend a law, because clearly your word is absolute, and you can do no wrong.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Chanku on August 05, 2017, 01:20:32 AM
As you wish, your majesty.  Your word is law, after all.  I shall never attempt to ever question when you bend a law, because clearly your word is absolute, and you can do no wrong.
Okay really? You're resorting to petty attacks against me? C'mon man, you can do better than this.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Michi on August 05, 2017, 01:22:10 AM
No, my king.  I'm giving up.  After all, you are the one who knows the law absolutely and enforces justly, even more so than the very monarch does.  Clearly it is you who should rule.

So I humbly back down and accept your absolute ruling.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Sapphiron on August 05, 2017, 01:25:52 AM
I am afraid ... oh, the Julian calendar says it's 23 July? Wintermoot, you didn't specify which calendar we are using!

On a slightly more serious note, since there hasn't been much legislative work done or to be done for the recent sessions so far, I challenge the Underhusen to repeal and replace the Constitution. That sounds fun.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Wintermoot on August 05, 2017, 04:48:00 AM
The Underhusen has probably been one of the most depressing parts of the region for awhile now...entire terms go by without much if anything at all going on, nominations that barely produce enough people to fill seats, and elections that few of the candidates really bother with, and in some cases don't even vote in.

I think that Pengu put together a great campaign topic, he's obviously getting involved with drafting law, and he took part in the steak fry...regardless of the law, is it really fair to him or the region to not have an election where people would get to decide whether he should be part of the Underhusen? Is that what's best for the region? Or is what's best for the region just not matter? I mean, if anyone has them they're perfectly valid opinions...I just want to know.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Chanku on August 05, 2017, 04:57:55 AM
Unfortunately yes. While yes, it's obvious he wants to be apart of the UH, which is great. However he missed the deadline and we have to uphold the regional laws, because if we don't what do we have?

If Pengu wants to get involved he can participate in the Citizen's Platform or he can attempt to recall someone. As much as I would enjoy an election, the law is clear on this.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Doc on August 05, 2017, 05:13:27 AM
Technically they're considered elected by default. It doesn't say WHEN they're elected.
You could very easily interpret that to mean that if there are only 5 candidates during the end of the election period.
It does not state 'no election is necessary', it states 'elected by default.'
In national elections, if there was only one candidate for a seat (a common occurrence in Singapore), they still go through the rigamarole of waiting until the election is over to announce the winner by walk over.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Sapphiron on August 05, 2017, 05:21:59 AM
"7. Any Citizen who voted in the previous regular election as defined in Article I Section 3 shall have the right to petition for the recall of any member of the Underhusen unless there are fewer than twenty-one days left until the next regular election."

In addition, does a walkover means all citizens voted or no citizen voted? If no citizen voted, does that mean this current Underhusen is immune to recall?
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Arenado on August 05, 2017, 05:26:53 AM
I withdraw my candidacy. If this really is going to be such a petty and rule bound, bureaucratic and self-serving UH I want no part in it. And since we would not have the minimum number of candidates, would an extension on nominations not be required?
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Arenado on August 05, 2017, 12:45:40 PM
1. Elections must occur during the first week of a set of months (Currently it's the first week of August). Therefore it leads that the first day of a month starts the elections.
2. If the number of candidates are equal to the amount of seats then no election shall occur.

Given that the second statement can only trigger at the start of an election, it must mean that the first statement has already occurred. The election should have begun on August 1st. However when it became August 1st, there were only five candidates (as there are five seats open). Because of that, all of the candidates were immediately elected because of Article I, Section 2.

Actually, if it just says that elections must occur in the first week, and since it is only Saturday, then technically the election could start tomorrow.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Wintermoot on August 05, 2017, 02:49:13 PM
So here's what we're going to do. Everyone that wants to run for Underhusen will indicate or re-indicate their interest here. If there's more than five people by tomorrow, we'll have a quick election...if not then on the 7th the people that want it will have it without an election. And if someone has a problem with this, they can sue me. This is just too petty an issue to have this kinda of drama over.

And then someone needs to fix this damn thing so the UH is actually an active thing.

To make it really easy, I'm mentioning the people who stood before: @Mathyland, @North, @Chanku, @Crushita, @BraveSirRobin, @Coco Bandicoot.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Crushita on August 05, 2017, 02:50:59 PM
I stand. Again.
Because I want an election, and we need at least 6 people so...
Oh and this saves me resigning my seat so Pengu can hold it. Honestly I don't deserve another term, I've done literally nothing.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Michi on August 05, 2017, 03:42:18 PM
I also stand.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Michi on August 05, 2017, 04:30:30 PM
I stand. Again.
Because I want an election, and we need at least 6 people so...
Oh and this saves me resigning my seat so Pengu can hold it. Honestly I don't deserve another term, I've done literally nothing.

And most of us running have been guilty of that and some point Crush.  Heck, I even mentioned my last term of inactivity in my campaign thread.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Mathyland on August 05, 2017, 05:04:26 PM
I'll re-stand
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Arenado on August 05, 2017, 05:17:21 PM
Ill stand again.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Michi on August 05, 2017, 10:38:34 PM
I'll tag @BraveSirRobin again since I don't want him to miss putting in his re-interest.  :D
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: taulover on August 05, 2017, 10:51:49 PM
I'll tag @BraveSirRobin again since I don't want him to miss putting in his re-interest.  :D
He hasn't been online since before Wintermoot mentioned him the first time.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Michi on August 05, 2017, 11:02:01 PM
I'll tag @BraveSirRobin again since I don't want him to miss putting in his re-interest.  :D
He hasn't been online since before Wintermoot mentioned him the first time.

Yeah, I ended up seeing that when I checked his profile.    :))
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: BraveSirRobin on August 05, 2017, 11:11:01 PM
I shall reindicate as well!  :D
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Chanku on August 06, 2017, 06:48:04 AM
standing only so I can say I was apart of the election.
Title: Nominate and Stand for Underhusen
Post by: Wintermoot on August 06, 2017, 07:02:52 PM
Nominations are now closed, and you can now vote here (http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=4592.new#new)!