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Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on June 24, 2015, 11:35:40 PM
Werewolf #5: Super Mario Bros + Duck Hunt
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Story:
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It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, and it was also the annual Mushroom Festival.  Toads of all sorts were gathered in appreciation for the continued heroic deeds of the Mario Bros.  Princess Peach in particular was excited to present the brothers with a letter in the mail that read:

Dear Mario (and Luigi),
I've baked a lovely cake for you at our Mushroom Festival, and would be honored if you came by and had a slice.

Yours truly,
Princess Toadstool.
Peach <3

Mario, of course, was eager to visit the festival, dragging a reluctant Luigi (who was thinking more of Princess Daisy at the time) along with him.

As they arrived they were met by happy Toads who were singing and cheering, and were met with a red-carpet reception with Princess Peach at the very end, holding the cake with a pleasant smile on her face.

But as they approached, the sky grew dark as several warships with Bowser's insignia approached.  The evil King of the Koopas stood at the front of the largest one, making his presence known as his voice boomed.

“Mario!  You've been a thorn on my side for too long, but no more!” He boomed as he held a wand aloft.  “With this wand, I'll finally get everything I want!” he boomed once more.  He then waved the wand as everything began to sparkle and shine, and Mushroom Kingdom was engulfed in a bright light.

As it receded, chaos had began to spread throughout Mushroom Kingdom:  Ducks had suddenly appeared in a portal and had began attacking people, Princess Daisy was kidnapped by what seemed like a large ape that favored large areas that it could throw barrels from, and many of the Mushroom Kingdom inhabitants suddenly got the urge to get into the paper delivery business, only to be thwarted by random obstacles including other toads chasing them for breaking their windows.

There's also the sudden emergence of heroes seeking golden triangles, a new fascination with karate and flying space ships, toads chasing others with whips claiming they're chasing vampires, and homes being destroyed by blocks seemingly appearing from space (and then disappearing when they touch)...but those things aren't important!

All in all, it seemed Mushroom Kingdom was doomed.

Characters:
Princess Peach: Also known as Princess Toadstool in the older games, Princess Peach is the head of the Mushroom Kingdom, who habitually gets kidnapped by Bowser.  She's generally known for her keen insight (despite never seeing her kidnapping coming), and clever nature, in which she can generally see through disguises if she looks carefully enough.  During each night that she's not being held captive by King Bowser, she can use her powers of insight to look at a person's role.

Mario and Luigi: Defenders of the Mushroom Kingdom, it's these two brothers that are always responsible for saving it when it's in peril and rescuing the princess whenever she's kidnapped.  Using their strength, love for spaghetti, and valuable jumping skills (as well as the occasional fireball), these two brothers can each protect one person from evil's grips, provided that they haven't been touched by a poison mushroom and rendered incapacitated.

Ludwig Von Koopa: A faithful koopaling to King Bowser Koopa, its their responsibility to remove the competition and seize the day for clan Koopa.  During each night, Ludwig Von Koopa will work together with King Bowser to decide who they should remove from the field.  Ludwig Von Koopa must be dealt with before King Bowser Koopa may be removed

King Bowser Koopa: The great big nasty himself, King Koopa routinely kidnaps Princess Peach for whatever reason may be, and he usually succeeds until he's foiled by the Mario bros.  For three nights, King Bowser may choose to kidnap the princess, rendering her insight useless for that night.  King Bowser Koopa may only be ejected from Mushroom Kingdom AFTER his Koopaling is dealt with first.

Toads: a prominent race in the Mushroom Kingdom, Toads are the virtually useless characters that are only good for two things: Being around when you really don't want them to be, and churning out equally useless advice that may be completely irrelevant to what you're doing.  They're essentially a normal people that will come out and speak in groups as to who they think the bad guys are, and may even vote together as a group to have one ejected from Mushroom Kingdom.  At night, however, they sleep soundly in their comfy beds in their little mushroom houses.

Rules
1. You must always vote to eject someone from Mushroom Kingdom.  You may, however, vote yourself as a loophole to that exception.

2. In the event of a tie, Donkey Kong will throw barrels at all people in that tie (IE, randomizer/dice roll).  Whoever the barrel hits will be ejected from Mushroom Kingdom.

3. Princess Peach's power will be rendered void if she's kidnapped by Bowser.

4. The Koopas will win if King Bowser Koopa is still alive.

5. King Bowser Koopa can only be ejected/removed if Ludwig is removed first.

6. In the event that King Bowser Koopa is lynched before Ludwig is removed, he will remain alive...but his role will be revealed to all.

7. If a player does not vote for two consecutive phases, they will be forced to partake in the paper deliver service on a bicycle, be chased by an angry toad, and then thrown from their bicycle out of Mushroom Kingdom after running into a dog that will randomly appear in their path.

8. Day phases will last for 48 hours, and night phases will last for 24 hours.

9. The ejected may say a final goodbye and then proceed to talk in the “Rejected characters” PM.

Player list:
Player 1: Sapphiron - Mario, game over by buster shot.
Player 2: Frozen - Toad, contracted the Blorbs and deflated by spike.
Player 3: Aternox
Player 4: Laurentus
Player 5: Aragonn - Toad, shelled to death/game over
Player 6: Aaron Specter
Player 7: Anneliese - Ludwig Von Koopa, game over by buster shot.
Player 8: Mlfailor - Toad, game over by buster shot.
Player 9: Wintermoot
Player 10: taulover
Player 11: Colberius X - Toad, game over by continuous goomba head-bonks.

Active Roles
*Peach
*Luigi
*Iggy Koopa
*King Bowser Koopa
*1 Toad

Everyone has been sent their PMs, and the day phase will begin now.  It will end on Friday, June 26th at 7PM PST (since I'm not off work until 6PM).

Happy gaming!
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aragonn on June 25, 2015, 12:25:34 AM
Since we're all a bunch of dumb toads during the day, I'm gonna be the dumbest of them all.

Vote: Eject Aragonn
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Wintermoot on June 25, 2015, 12:53:04 AM
O_o

Is there some underlying reason you want to be ejected?
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aragonn on June 25, 2015, 03:36:26 AM
I don't want to be ejected. I just didn't want to eject anyone else.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Frozen on June 25, 2015, 03:54:23 AM
Since we HAVE to vote for someone i went to this magic contraption called Random.org and it gave me an answer

Vote: Eject Taulover
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 25, 2015, 04:31:58 AM
Wait, we can't vote no lynch?

Damn. Uhm. I vote eject Colberius X for no other reason than him taking too long to write the next PvC post in New Hyperion. :P

I'd like to change my vote to no lynch if that's allowed.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on June 25, 2015, 10:14:46 PM
The rules clearly state someone has to be lynched every day. What happens if someone refuses to vote for anyone?
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: aternox on June 25, 2015, 10:37:52 PM
I assume there is not penalty unless you don't vote two days in a row. Don't quote me on that though :P

We need to vote to lynch someone, so Vote: Lynch Frozen. No one really has anything to go on, but I'm not a fan of Random.org votes.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on June 26, 2015, 02:40:16 AM
The rules clearly state someone has to be lynched every day. What happens if someone refuses to vote for anyone?

Then it'll be considered inactivity.  Every non vote or non-lynch will be counted towards a person's inactivity count.  If they refuse to vote for someone two days in a row, then they'll be rejected for two consecutive phases of inactivity.

Likewise, no-lynch votes won't be counted, period.  So if there's 50 no-lynch votes and 1 vote for Bob, then Bob will be lynched.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: taulover on June 26, 2015, 04:56:36 AM
Well, I can't vote to eject myself, because then I'd be voted out...
I also don't want to just vote Frozen because they voted me.

Vote: Eject Laurentus. I hope you don't mind, my dear Chancellor/Skrifa/friend/whatever; I had to pick somebody, and many are already taken.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Sapphiron on June 26, 2015, 10:41:27 AM
Vote: Eject Sapphiron
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on June 26, 2015, 01:23:04 PM
It looks like it'll be a roll of the die then.

Vote: Eject Aaron Specter
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Wintermoot on June 26, 2015, 05:04:02 PM
Vote: Mlfailor

If we're just going to pick someone at random, it might as well at least be someone that hasn't been around in awhile.

Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aragonn on June 26, 2015, 05:08:51 PM
Oh geez, everyone with votes against them are tied. Will we really leave this one up to luck?
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 26, 2015, 07:07:42 PM
I dislike voting for people simply because they're inactive.

Generally speaking (though not always) people who haven't been active could somewhat safely be kept low on the suspect list, since power roles would receive a few more PMs than non-power roles, and thus gain a few more emails, thereby making it slightly less likely that power roles would be inactive.

So the way I see it is to allow these people to remain inactive until they get lynched for inactivity, thereby ensuring the baddies don't get a lead too quickly.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Wintermoot on June 26, 2015, 07:11:32 PM
The way I see it, the point of the game is to lynch someone we think is a wolf...failing the ability to do that on the first turn, at least voting off someone that will probably be removed anyway will keep the game active longer by delaying the removal of an active player. And who knows, maybe the inactive player has a bad role.

It's not my favourite route to take, but compared to what everyone else is doing I think it's a valid tactic. Feel free to disagree.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 26, 2015, 07:16:48 PM
Hmm. Fair points. Although it is interesting to see you jump so quickly to defend your position, as I didn't exactly challenge it.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Wintermoot on June 26, 2015, 07:20:02 PM
You said you didn't like it. And that hurt. :( :P
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 26, 2015, 07:23:53 PM
And now you're appealing to my emotion. Silly man. :P
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Wintermoot on June 26, 2015, 11:11:40 PM
I thought we were flirting! :o :p
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on June 27, 2015, 06:41:39 AM
Due to the lack of majority and a complete tie across the board (minus 3 votes), Donkey Kong has decided to sit out for this one and let all of you settle this like gamers.

For this round, all of you must settle this with a classic favorite: Tetris.

The person with the lowest score will be the person to be ejected from the game.  All posted scores are final, and not to be edited whatsoever.  So let's keep it fair.

The person with the highest score will receive a bonus.

All scores must be posted via screenshot from this site:

Play Tetris at Tetris.com (http://tetris.com/play-tetris/)

We'll wrap up the scoring process at Midnight PST tomorrow.  Consider this a post-day pre-night phase.  If it ever comes to ties, count on this type of tie breaker from time to time depending on how I feel.  Don't expect the game to be the same each time.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Frozen on June 27, 2015, 07:39:53 AM
Well, good game everyone and it was nice playing with you, the site wont let me tetris on mobile.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 27, 2015, 09:39:39 AM
^ I'm in the same boat as Frozen.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aragonn on June 27, 2015, 02:27:05 PM
Make that three in the boat...
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on June 27, 2015, 04:03:31 PM
Well, you guys make it no fun, don't you?  :P

Fine, I guess we'll have to do it the old fashioned way after all...which I was prepared for.

Donkey Kong decided to jump in after all, throwing barrels in random directions.  Almost everyone could see them coming from a mile away, except one person.

Frozen, a Toad was too busy daydreaming as he walked around and sang, that he didn't see the barrel hit him.  It then exploded as a mysterious mushroom came out, and Frozen...being naught but a hungry and curious Toad, decided to eat it.

Unfortunately, it turned out to be a Blorb Mushroom, a nasty sort that causes a Toad to grow to epic proportions.

(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Ff%2Ffb%2FBowser%2527s_Inside_Story_ToadBlorbs.png&hash=16800ee786b7c008b62de1d47010926e)

This toad was sent to the doctor in response, but as they rolled him, he happened across a random spike in the road, and deflated wildly, flying out of Mushroom Kingdom.

Frozen, a Toad, has been ejected out of Mushroom Kingdom

The night phase starts now.  Toads, commence panicking your way back to your safe little mushroom houses as you go crazy talking to your toadlings and toadettes about today's events.  Heroes and villains, message me with your targets.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on June 29, 2015, 02:41:17 AM
Apologies, I was giving ample time for our power roles to respond.

Wake up little toads!  I hope you enjoyed your peaceful little mushroom nightmares about the scary events that happened.  Now I know that you really don't know what to do with yourselves when bad things happen, so I apologize in advance for this troublesome news.

It seems that last night while you slept, a group of Goombas walked into someone's house, unnoticed.  Last I recall, they head-bonked the person to death while saying things like "Now who's getting their head jumped on?!"  Poor Colberius X, he was a toad to be remembered for...hold on, I'll think of something.  Yeah, I've got nothing.  So dance away in your toadly delight at living to see another day, and shed those toadly tears in remembrance of the life of generic toad #432.

Oh, and your princess was kidnapped last night too by King Bowser.  Did I neglect to mention that part?


Colberius X, a Toad, has experienced a Game Over.

It's day time toads!  Time to get outside and do what you do best: Talk about things that don't matter and confusing people.  Who do you think killed poor generic toad #432 and kidnapped the princess?  Was it the toad behind you?  The one next to you?  Perhaps it was that group of koopa troopas wearing toad masks?  Nah, couldn't be them, right?  Well, it's time for you guys to vote who you think is responsible.  While Princess Peach may be captive at one of Bowser's seven hotels castles, she's still able to send word through her star-child ally, Twink.  (https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2F9%2F93%2FTwink.gif&hash=6e6b0c39c349d507e7fc12d9262dade5), and thus is able to converse and vote normally.

This day phase begins now and will end on 8PM PST on Tuesday, June 30th.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on June 29, 2015, 02:44:33 AM
This is also a word of warning to the following, who did not vote during the last day:

@Anneliese
@Mlfailor

You both did not vote last phase, and are in danger of being ejected from the Mushroom Kingdom if you do not vote this phase.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aragonn on June 29, 2015, 02:54:07 AM
Hmm....who could be the culprit behind generic toad #432's death....
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 29, 2015, 06:29:12 AM
Okay, so Colby and Frozen have been removed.

That leaves:

1. Me
2. Sapphiron
3. Aragonn
4. Wintermoot
5. Anneliese
6. aternox
7. taulover
8. Aaron Specter
9. Mlfailor

It couldn't be Anneliese or Mlfailor.

I'm also going to admit to a slight suspicion that Winteromoot is one of the Koopas, because he survived the night. It's not a strong suspicion, though, since the wolves could finally be breaking tradition too. :P

Anyway, nothing in his behaviour was scummy in the previous day phase.

So that leaves everyone with a 2/7 chance of being a baddie. So it looks pretty grim for the good guys right now. We're going to have to vote accurately.

Any thoughts?
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aragonn on June 29, 2015, 01:26:18 PM
I know Anneliese has been completely inactive on the forum for a while, so I don't believe it to be her. Brings the odds down to 2/6. And if I'm right about Mlfailor, the odds can be brought down again to 2/5.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 29, 2015, 04:36:15 PM
I factored them in to my calculation. With them, it would have been 2/9.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Wintermoot on June 30, 2015, 02:31:14 AM
Well, Frozen being removed was pretty much random, but Colberius was selected...is there anything about that that might help us?
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 30, 2015, 04:29:50 AM
Not really. I think it would indicate the wolf is someone who's played with him before, but that's pretty much everyone here. :P

Oh, what the heck. I vote to eject Sapphiron. He's usually a lot more helpful. Though I understand that none of us are exactly very active at the moment, and Sapphiron is possibly still busy with school, it's the closest thing I have to a good plan, though admittedly it's pretty terrible.

I'm also looking at aternox for the same reason, though he hasn't been online much.

If nothing else, my vote will serve to generate debate.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Sapphiron on June 30, 2015, 12:43:06 PM
Vote: Eject Laurentus.

Here's an out of context quote:
I kept an eye on Colby specifically
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Colberius X on June 30, 2015, 12:59:47 PM
Oh, sure, take no mercy on the guy who lost computer access for a week.  I was hoping I might not have died yet... :P

I'm glad to see someone considered me a threat, though.  ^-^

Anyway...
/me dies.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 30, 2015, 01:06:56 PM
Vote: Eject Laurentus.

Here's an out of context quote:
I kept an eye on Colby specifically

Wow. Like. I don't even know how to respond to this. This is hilariously out of character for you, Sapphiron. :P

You admit to taking an out-of-context quote and then voting for me based on that. You don't even try to hide behind a trick that Aaron Specter used against me previously and using my day one vote for Colby as reason for suspecting me, instead of this sloppy tactic.

Given how perfectly logical you are in pretty much everything, this is incredibly suspicious.

There are a few possibilities:

1) You've just had a spectacular lapse of judgment on a scale I would never would have expected from you.

2) You're a defender who's panicked that I'm voting for you now, and in your panic you've made a very sloppy mistake.

3) You're one of the Koopas, and you'll try just about anything to stay in the game now that I've voted for you, including using some very absurd justification for your vote, as you did when voting for Wintermoot in the previous game at the end.

#1 is very unlikely, since I don't believe you're capable of such poor logic, as you've always demonstrated incredibly precise logic. #2 is also very unlikely, since you were a defender in Werewolf 3, and you and I were continuously in bad positions, and you remained calm and rational when explaining why you and I weren't wolves.

That leaves me with #3.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Sapphiron on June 30, 2015, 01:24:33 PM
Pardon me, I was slightly annoyed by something that happened in school so I simply did a retaliatory vote. Despite that, I will claim that I am certainly not a Koopa though.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 30, 2015, 01:29:59 PM
And any Koopa would do the same. :P

I'm not convinced, Sapph. I think I'll maintain my vote now. If you end up being innocent, then oops. ;)

EDIT: What were you annoyed by, though? It had to have been something extraordinary for you to do a simple retaliatory vote.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Sapphiron on June 30, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
You flatter me. :P Anyhow, it's the usual problem faced by high school students. Being allocated an unjustified proportion of workload while almost half of the team literally kicking back and relax. It's worse when a team member decides to delay past the deadline because he is busy playing computer games, and when I decide to confront that person, I get into unnecessary arguments. Then, the project manages to fail spectacularly.

~Rant Complete~
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 30, 2015, 01:59:35 PM
I know the feeling. I kicked the crap out of people who didn't contribute to group assignments while in high school, and still expected to come along for the ride and cash in on our hard work. It's one thing for someone to try and contribute, while just not being very knowledgeable or creative, but it is another thing entirely when they literally just don't do anything. It is especially annoying when they have some snarky remarks about how the work isn't being done right too.

But sympathy aside, it is still out of character for you to vote in this way. :P

This is only a game anyway, so I hope you won't take it personally that I keep my vote on you. :)
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Sapphiron on June 30, 2015, 02:02:05 PM
No hard feelings, just sharing whatever has happened to me.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on June 30, 2015, 04:14:46 PM
Is anyone else slightly... irked by how little participation we're seeing in this game? It feels increasingly like the Laurentus And Guest Show, and not as if there are 9 active players. I admit I'm part of the problem but hope to be much more active from now on.

Laurentus, why vote Sapphiron, but not Wintermoot or aternox whom you previously mentioned you had suspected?

Sapphiron, I would ask you about that remarkably random post in which you voted Laurentus but he beat me to it. If you had to vote anyone that wasn't Laurentus, who would you vote? And would you accept that your vote is purely retaliatory?

Everyone else's input would also be appreciated; we're running out of time for this phase and I'd like my vote to not be another self-vote or random vote.



Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 30, 2015, 04:20:57 PM
Quite simple, really. I only suspect Wintermoot because he survived the night. There are a number of explanations for that.

It can't really be aternox, because he has been very absent.

I admit I didn't have a lot to go on when I first voted for Sapphiron, and I really only did it to generate some sort of debate, but his reaction was exceedingly odd. I still wouldn't say I'm sold on him being the wolf, but I don't see a lot to go on either way.

Time for my old test.

Everyone must give reasons why they could be wolves, and why they could not be wolves. As Aaron Specter well knows, I'm serious when I say non-compliance will be met with raised eyebrows. :P
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aragonn on June 30, 2015, 04:36:59 PM
@Aaron Specter - I've been asleep and/or otherwise occupied while the Sapph and Laurentus show was going on. I do live on the east coast of the US, ya know.

@Laurentus - One reason for me being a koopa, you'll never know it was me. One reason for me not being a koopa, again, you'll never know. I'm just that good at acting, or as some may call it, roleplaying. :P
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on June 30, 2015, 04:42:17 PM
It can't really be aternox, because he has been very absent.

Ah, and absenteeism is the best indicator of innocence?

I admit I didn't have a lot to go on when I first voted for Sapphiron, and I really only did it to generate some sort of debate, but his reaction was exceedingly odd. I still wouldn't say I'm sold on him being the wolf, but I don't see a lot to go on either way.

I'm not sold on it myself but I know too well the stresses of work and how that can have an adverse impact on other areas of life. I'm saving my vote for now since I think a better prospect should come up.

Time for my old test.

Everyone must give reasons why they could be wolves, and why they could not be wolves. As Aaron Specter well knows, I'm serious when I say non-compliance will be met with raised eyebrows. :P

Heh.

I'm happy to participate but I think it's too early in the game for any meaningful answers to be found. Most people, I anticipate, will say their inactivity will be a reason for their guilt, whereas there won't be much to indicate their innocence. I also fear nowhere near enough people will answer you in this day phase. I'd be glad to hear anything at all from a lot of people this phase.

Still, if you insist, I'll do it, though I ask you to go first.

On a note that is completely unrelated to the game: Is there anyone else called Aaron on these forums? I'm struggling to think why people always take pains to type out my name in full every time they refer to me. 

Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 30, 2015, 04:50:29 PM
I first want to see some activity myself before delving into reasons for being a wolf or not.

And no, absenteeism isn't a good indication of innocence, but aternox was inactive for so long that he couldn't have done anything in the night phase, thereby removing him from my suspect list for the time being. He also hasn't played with Colby that often.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on June 30, 2015, 05:28:22 PM
I first want to see some activity myself before delving into reasons for being a wolf or not.

And no, absenteeism isn't a good indication of innocence, but aternox was inactive for so long that he couldn't have done anything in the night phase, thereby removing him from my suspect list for the time being. He also hasn't played with Colby that often.

This may just be me misunderstanding, but I can't get my head round this.

Are you referring to the 'last online' feature available on everyone's profiles? In that case, aternox's profile says he was last online 18 hours ago. This would mean he was only 2 hours before Pengu called the end of the night phase. Have I missed something here?
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aragonn on June 30, 2015, 05:47:55 PM
To be honest, after Colby got killed off in WW IV, I told him my role as Black Knight in our IRC. I don't remember exactly what he said, but it was something along the lines of "They're all screwed." And he was right.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 30, 2015, 05:50:50 PM
Hmm, it seems I have my facts wrong. I just remember checking regularly for people who were online during the night phase.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on June 30, 2015, 06:06:14 PM
Hmm, it seems I have my facts wrong. I just remember checking regularly for people who were online during the night phase.

I request you share all other information you've gathered for each person during the night, whether on activity or otherwise.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 30, 2015, 06:21:10 PM
Not much to tell. I only checked activity, as it was activity that betrayed Sauron in WW III. Everyone, except those who are about to get lynched for inactivity, were active at some point while I observed during the night phase, and as you've just pointed out, aternox was too.

And @Aragonn, yes, Colby is a person we certainly don't want to lose, so it would seem likely that someone who's played with him often before would know to eliminate him quickly.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on June 30, 2015, 07:02:02 PM
It seems I need to refresh my memory of the last game to keep up with the metagaming...

Not much to tell. I only checked activity, as it was activity that betrayed Sauron in WW III. Everyone, except those who are about to get lynched for inactivity, were active at some point while I observed during the night phase, and as you've just pointed out, aternox was too.

Correct me if I'm wrong:

1. During the night, you check everyone's activity and note that there are some people who haven't logged in during the night phase. This includes players who have been completely inactive, and aternox.
2. The next day phase, that is, this phase, you start 'looking at' aternox, as one of your first posts.
3. Later on, when you're questioned (by me), why you voted Sapphiron and not aternox/Wintermoot, you say it's because aternox was 'very absent', and therefore you've 'removed him' from your suspect list.
4. I reveal aternox wasn't completely inactive during the night phase.

In sum, you thought you knew aternox was inactive during the night which you later use to justify your lack of suspicion on him yet he is one of the first people you suspect in the day phase. You could've picked just about anyone else (or no one) but you picked him. And then you disregard him because of his absence.

Surely if his absence was worth removing him from your suspect list you would've stuck with the same line of reasoning from the start of the day?

And based on your most recent post, who do you suggest we should narrow the list down to based on your conclusion that it's likely to be 'someone who's played with [Colberius] often before'?

Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 30, 2015, 07:24:44 PM
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I'm also looking at aternox for the same reason, though he hasn't been online much.

That was a rather unfortunate choice of words. :/

It bears noting, however, that the reason I looked at him and Sapphiron was because I had played with them only once before, and we were all PM'ing each other because of our power roles, and being active in the forum discussion too. It struck me as odd that they were both more quiet this time around, so I commented on that, and then stated that aternox's lack of activity (as I perceived it at the time) made me go with Sapphiron instead. I also immediately pointed out that it is a pretty terrible guess meant to generate discussion.

Honestly, I don't know who I would really say I suspect right now. With all the inaccuracies I've been spewing for the last few hours, I would probably be my own prime suspect. No use dancing around the matter. :P
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aragonn on June 30, 2015, 07:29:56 PM
I'm running out of time, so Vote: eject Sapphiron
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on June 30, 2015, 08:08:25 PM
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I'm also looking at aternox for the same reason, though he hasn't been online much.

That was a rather unfortunate choice of words. :/

It bears noting, however, that the reason I looked at him and Sapphiron was because I had played with them only once before, and we were all PM'ing each other because of our power roles, and being active in the forum discussion too. It struck me as odd that they were both more quiet this time around, so I commented on that, and then stated that aternox's lack of activity (as I perceived it at the time) made me go with Sapphiron instead. I also immediately pointed out that it is a pretty terrible guess meant to generate discussion.

Honestly, I don't know who I would really say I suspect right now. With all the inaccuracies I've been spewing for the last few hours, I would probably be my own prime suspect. No use dancing around the matter. :P

I have no qualms about your vote for Sapphiron, it is your line of reasoning used against (and for) aternox which troubles me. You haven't done much to alleviate the concern.

You've switched from your trademark style of dominating the conversation to something more defensive, even flippant, in a matter of a few posts.

You've still failed to seriously answer my question on narrowing down the suspect pool.

Aragonn, if you read this post before the end of this phase I'd like to hear why you voted Sapphiron instead of anyone else (like Laurentus, or myself) assuming you know your vote tips the balance against Sapphiron.

This goes for everyone else too: please state some reasoning when you vote.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 30, 2015, 08:57:53 PM
I have been shown to be inaccurate, and so I've really become more submissive than defensive/flippant. I can understand "defensive," even though that's not really what I'm doing, but branding my behaviour as "flippant" is a bit extreme. As far as I understand, flippant means lack of respect or not being serious, but correct me if I'm wrong there, as English is not my mother-tongue.

When I've been shown to make a mistake, I do take a moment to reflect on that and acknowledge the matter so as to try and avoid making that mistake again. The thing is that I can't honestly say I wouldn't find my behaviour suspicious if I were seeing someone else behave in this way, as I've made quite a few errors, and this is one of the ways to spot a wolf.

And that's what I'm saying, my choice of words ("looking at" instead of "looked at") with regards to aternox is indefensible. It was simply a mistake. If I (rightly) draw fire from that and get ejected, I have no one to blame but myself, even though I'm innocent. I can't set your mind at ease with that, really. All I can say is that I made a mistake. I'm hoping fellow Hyperians will vouch for me when I say that I always behave this way when I've made a mistake.

As for narrowing down the suspect pool, I don't much like going on witch hunts. I mentioned that Wintermoot is suspicious just for being Wintermoot and surviving this long, but that's a poor reason to be suspicious, and now that you've shown that aternox was indeed active two hours before the night phase ended, my original (though poor) reasoning with going for Sapphiron would have been perfectly applicable to him too. I simply don't have a solid idea of who I'd consider to be most suspicious, since nothing has really presented itself, apart from Sapphiron's reactionary vote for me, and the reasoning of it.

So I guess the logical quandary here is that there have been two players who have acted out of character (as you perceive my current behaviour), and they're voting for each other, so if they're wolves, why on Earth would they vote for each other? And if only one of them is the wolf, how do we pinpoint which one it is, given that they've both acted strangely? Can we therefore safely assume that one of them is the wolf?

That's an answer you'll have to find for yourself.

I only know that I'm not a wolf, and though I'm not sold on my vote for Sapphiron, it is the best I have at the moment.

I've also inadvertently answered the question of why I could, and could not, be a wolf. Your turn. :P
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Wintermoot on June 30, 2015, 09:28:50 PM
I've been watching the debate, but haven't been able to reply until now cause I've been at work.

It seems like there's a lot of cause for suspicion on both ends. On one hand, we have Sapphiron, who made a move that isn't very characteristic of him...is this the move of someone that was stressed, or the move of a Koopa that wants rid of one of the more outspoken people in the game? Then we have Laurentus, who spoke of the recently departed in the last turn, gave inaccurate data, and has generally led the discussion overall today...is this the work of a determined victim of mistakes and circumstance, or a Koopa trying to talk his way out of suspicion? And this is only among-st those with votes at the moment.

I've no clue who it could be, but right now Laurentus seems to have more unfortunate factors against him, so I'll vote to eject Laurentus.

To answer Laurentus's question, the main suspicion of me being a wolf would be the fact that I'm still here, although perhaps the real wolf assumed I'd be voted off and decided not to waste their first selection. Who knows?
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aragonn on June 30, 2015, 10:34:33 PM
I know how Sapphiron operates from WW IV
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on June 30, 2015, 10:37:19 PM
It seems my old friend randomiser and I are about to have a little reunion. :P

Bonne chance, Sapphiron! I must say I rather didn't expect us to be at odds like this so soon. :P
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: aternox on June 30, 2015, 11:37:41 PM
Sorry guys, I've been a bit busy IRL.

Thinking about the first day for a moment, I would think with so many single votes that it is less likely than usual a koopa would vote for another koopa.

That would imply that it is likely at most one person from each of these pairs is a koopa.
Laurentus or Taulover
Wintermoot or Mlfailor

The following voted for or were voted by someone who has been confirmed to be a toad:
Laurentus
Myself

The following voted for themselves:
Sapphiron
Aragonn
Aaron Specter

Mlfailor and Anneliese didn't vote.

In the second phase so far we have had Laurentus voting against Sapphiron, and vice versa. Aragonn voted against Sapphiron, and Wintermoot voted against Laurentus.

Again assuming that with such low vote number the koopas aren't voting for each other:
Laurentus or Sapphiron
Aragonn or Sapphiron
Wintermoot or Laurentus

Seeing there are only two koopas, there are only so many possible pairs. I won't list them cause there are still too many at the moment, but it could prove useful later.

Looking at the posts today, I notice that Aaron Specter hasn't voted. He clearly is picking holes in Laurentus's arguments, but whether that is because Laurentus is just the most active or because he is trying to help Sapphiron is hard to say.

Wintermoot being alive could equally mean he is a koopa, or that the koopa's expected he would be defended or are trying to set him up. I don't think it is worth voting for him based off that alone.

Aragonn didn't exactly share a lot of reasoning behind his vote. That always makes me wonder how legit the reason is, but I feel that wolves are more likely to make sure they give reasons or make out like they are really really unsure.

I'm not sure voting for someone other than Laurentus or Sapphiron is worth it at this stage of the phase.

I will Vote: Lynch Sapphiron. I don't think a wolf would put so much effort into posting if they were in Laurentus's shoes. If he wasn't posting this round would have been a lot quieter which is in the wolves favour.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on June 30, 2015, 11:45:10 PM
This is in case my full post takes too long and misses the end of the phase:

Vote: Eject Laurentus

Whoever dies will effectively determine whether town or wolves win. Remember to come back and see who voted who and why.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on July 01, 2015, 12:32:00 AM
Looking at the posts today, I notice that Aaron Specter hasn't voted. He clearly is picking holes in Laurentus's arguments, but whether that is because Laurentus is just the most active or because he is trying to help Sapphiron is hard to say.

I would hope it was was obvious by now that it was because Laurentus has been the most active and also one with such an apparent loophole in his reasoning.

I will Vote: Lynch Sapphiron. I don't think a wolf would put so much effort into posting if they were in Laurentus's shoes. If he wasn't posting this round would have been a lot quieter which is in the wolves favour.

I think this is a tad suspect. Laurentus always talks a lot. That isn't meant as an insult to him, it's just his style. You'll have noticed I picked up on his change of tone immediately today. In his case, being quiet would have drawn particular suspicion from the rest of us who have played with him, and I'd have thought that included you.

Now, is it interesting that this reasoning led to aternox voting in a way which would, at the time, have definitely saved Laurentus and led to Sapphiron's lynch? Or that in aternox's entire post, Laurentus was picked out as possibly being a koopa more times than Sapphiron was, yet he voted Sapphiron anyway?

Laurentus said he suspected aternox, and then later ditched the idea, in a somewhat inconsistent line of reasoning. I'm not buying the 'miswording' thing. Frankly, your grasp of English is too good for it. What I'm suspecting is that Laurentus intended to name aternox early on so as to distance himself from him, and then disregarded him later on as soon as he found a viable target... in Sapphiron. He probably wasn't counting on his naming of aternox to come to much scrutiny.

That's my take on it. Laurentus and aternox as the koopas. I must admit this is with limited information as we haven't heard from Mlfailor or Annaliese at all, and we haven't heard from tau this phase either.

For the sake of completion, here's why I'm a koopa: I've attacked Laurentus pretty relentlessly. It could be said I've had tunnel vision.

Here's why I'm not: My arguments have held up. Laurentus' argument of bad wording seems too convenient. After his initial vote for Sapphiron, his subsequent unwillingness to look elsewhere for a worthy vote is suspect. I have tried to look at others but there hasn't been as much material.

I can't effectively judge Wintermoot since the same arguments keep coming up again and again: he's a koopa or the koopas are setting him up.

I'm getting town-ish vibes from Aragonn who seems eager to catch the koopas, even though his reasoning seems simplistic. His instant self-vote day 1 seemed a town tell. Could be wrong though.

The link between aternox and Laurentus, however, seemed to be validated by aternox's vote which would have been the hammer for Sapphiron. If I'm wrong, then I'm not sure who the wolves could be, though I think it'd be one of Wintermoot/Aragonn and one of the inactives: taulover/Mlfailor/Annaliese. Mlfailor/Annaliese would explain why Pengu had to drag out the night phase (i.e. the active one waiting for the other, and then eventually realising they weren't going to come back).

If Sapphiron dies and flips town OR Laurentus dies and flips koopa, we should probably look to the Laurentus/aternox pairing again.

If Sapphiron dies and flips koopa OR Laurentus dies and flips town, I'm going to bang my head against my desk a lot.

Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on July 01, 2015, 01:59:32 AM
Get ready for some serious head-banging then. :P

I'm currently out of energy, but I'll try to nail Aaron for old time's sake. :P I'll start with your second paragraph and move on to each following one with each new number, as I'm too lazy to quote right now.

1) Correct, you picked up on my change in tone, and then completely misunderstood it, saying I was "defensive" and "flippant," when admitting I simply made a mistake would pretty much be the opposite of that. Getting a bit over-eager there, Aaron, which lends itself well to you only having tunnel-vision, at the least, and being a Koopa, at the worst. Though in this case I'll go with the first, since I would think an intelligent player like you would learn not to be so outspoken and confrontational as the wolf when that led to you being lynched previously. Though perhaps you anticipated that we wouldn't expect you to do the same thing twice, thus using that as a clever disguise, so note to everyone if I end up getting hammered: bandwagon on Aaron. :P

Sound ridiculous? Of course. And yet you always seem to employ similar reasoning when trying to nail me. :P

2) I can't speak to aternox's strategy here. He's perfectly capable of explaining himself, however, so I'll leave him to it.

3) Same story as above.

4) It wasn't my English which led to this mistake. I can't really explain what went wrong here, I just completely fucked up. I'm not immune to the occasional fuck-up, and apparently neither is Sapphiron, though I'm drawing a lot more fire for it for some reason. I don't know why I referred to aternox in the present tense. And I later pointed out that since I had gotten my facts wrong about aternox, my original plan of targeting someone who's usually more helpful and contributing would have applied perfectly to him as well.

However, that's not what I did. I went for Sapph, and then it generated a lot of interesting debate, and made Sapph the most logical target, whether I be a wolf or not.

The only time I made a comment about my English was when you referred to the word "flippant," a word which I genuinely haven't encountered that often.

I'll just go ahead and point out that no wolf in his right mind would opt for a strategy of naming his partner and being so in-everyone's-face the entire time after doing it. It's not sound strategy. The simplest strategy is the most likely to succeed.

5) You are really pushing that aternox-Laurentus partnership here, though my comments regarding it have already been made in the above point. I'll just point out that the more inconspicuous peeps are getting a free pass here if they're the Koopas, since they only have to watch us tear each other to pieces, kill someone off during the night, and then vote in some safe, predictable ways in the next day phase to win the game.

6)
 Addressed in point 1.

7) "I have no qualms about your vote for Sapphiron. It is your line of reasoning used against (and for) aternox which troubles me."

This transitions into: "After his initial vote for Sapphiron, his subsequent unwillingness to look elsewhere for a worthy vote is suspect. I have tried to look at others, but there hasn't been as much material."

Talk about logical inconsistencies. You're becoming more and more suspect as I'm going on.

Even Wintermoot, who voted for me, said that Sapphiron and I are the two most suspect ones because of our strange behaviour. I admitted I would find my own behaviour suspicious were in your shoes, but I can't very well vote for myself, either as a baddie or as a townie, since it would simply hurt my cause, along with whoever I'm affiliated with. So you have a serious case of tunnel vision, at the least, because Sapphiron is the logical vote for me to make after his reaction, no matter how I'm aligned.

8. Aragonn is excellent at playing it cool and killing everyone while they don't suspect a thing. Remember WW 4. :P

That's both a compliment and a reason I suspect you, Aragonn. :)

9) You're saying that aternox is one of the Koopas because he's trying to save my by voting for Sapph? How do you explain Aragonn's vote for Sapph then? This is a clear case of conjecture and tunnel vision. We've discussed this at length in Werewolf 3.

Also, Mlfailor and Anneliese are the only two who I'm certain aren't wolves, since none of them have been online in forever. So your reasoning is really starting to slip here. There is also the problem of how this game is set up. One of the Koopas does the killing, the other one does the capturing of our seer. They both killed and captured our seer in the last night phase, meaning both were active. This is perhaps your saving grace as far as I'm concerned, since strange as it may seem, the wolves probably wouldn't make this factual mistake.

To close off, if I die, good luck to the townies.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Sapphiron on July 01, 2015, 02:42:24 AM
I feel loved. :))
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on July 01, 2015, 04:20:08 AM
I feel loved. :))
Consider my eyebrows raised for not answering the question of why you are or aren't the wolf. ??? :)
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: taulover on July 01, 2015, 04:23:06 AM
I am in fact late, and considering that I have a crapload of homework today, I'll just go ahead and vote based on my skimming of today's discussion:

Vote: Eject Sapphiron
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Sapphiron on July 01, 2015, 05:38:53 AM
I am not a wolf because I didn't send any private messages during last night phase.

As for why I am a wolf? I made an "out of character" vote.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on July 01, 2015, 06:05:43 AM
Rejoice young toads! For it is time for an Ejection ceremony.  For those who have faint hearts, please consult with your friendly Doctor Mario and Nurse Peach, they'll be glad to help you out.

Meanwhile, please welcome Princess Zelda to the cere---oh, nevermind, it looks like she's been kidnapped again.  Well in any case, please welcome her assistant, Li---wait, where's he going at a time like this?

Oh good lord, FINE.  Please welcome Mr. Kirby to the--NO KIRBY STOP EATING EVERYTHING!

Uhm...excuse me for a moment while I take care of this.

*walks off and tries explaining to kirby, as he himself is eaten and used to give Kirby sword power, before Kirby is unexpectedly hit by a flying koopa shell and experiences a game over.  Another toad walks up to everyone*

Hello everyone, and please welcome our special guest, Mega Man!

*Everyone claps as the half-robot boy walks up*

He'll be the one responsible for ejecting your choice today.  And what an interesting person you've chosen as well!  According to the mushlist you've written up, most of you think Sapphiron is someone from the Koopa Clan!  What do you have to say to that Sapphiron?

Sapphiron: It'sa not me, I swear! I like-a the spaghetti!

Well apparently your fellow toads disagree.  Mega Man?

*Megaman fires busters at Sapphiron, who is it by one and shrunk down to smaller size.  Another buster shot hits Sapphiron as he experiences a game over.*

Peach: No!  MAAAAAARIO!!!!!!

What?! That was Mario?! What the Koopa is wrong with you people? How could you not recognize your own hero?!

Oh look, a star! How pretty it looks.  Wait...what was I talking about?  I don't recall, but Megaman looks anxious to shoot more buster shots.  Go for it Megaman!

*Megaman fires shots at Mlfailor and Anneliese, as both of them experience a game over*

Oh how sad, I guess they were just toads after all...wait, what's this?

*a poorly drawn toad-mask falls off of Annelise, revealing them to be Ludwig Von Koopa.  Everyone gasps, but jumps for joy.*

King Koopa: Cheer for now little toads, but now with Mario out of the way, I can do this!

*King Koopa waves his wand, as one of the toads transforms into Iggy Koopa.  Iggy hops away and dons a new, better looking Toad mask before he blends back into the crowd.*

Well, I guess that's that!  We still have a Koopaling to worry about everyone, and King Bowser is as relentless as ever!  So let's all retire to our little toad houses and hope that nobody decides to attack us, eh?

Sapphiron aka the once lovable Mario has been ejected from Mushroom Kingdom.

Mfailor and Anneliese have been ejected from Mushroom Kingdom due to two consecutive nights of inactivity.  Mfailor was a Toad, Anneliese was Ludwig Von Koopa.

It's night phase little toads! Commence your panicking, whilst the power roles choose their targets.  This phase will end tomorrow, Wednesday, July 1st at 11:00PM PST.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aragonn on July 01, 2015, 06:23:25 AM
I'd have taken more time with my post on my reasoning if I didn't have much work to do. I'm a very busy person these days.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: aternox on July 01, 2015, 07:07:05 AM
Ugh, sorry Sapphiron  :/
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on July 01, 2015, 07:38:55 AM
When we're not killing our seers, we're axing our defenders. Quite hilarious, really.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Sapphiron on July 01, 2015, 10:11:17 AM
Hehe, all the best!
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on July 02, 2015, 01:18:17 AM
Wake up little toads!

Now, before I present this news, let me tell you that Tappers is currently open for those drinks that you'll need.  So stop on by there when this is over.

(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F4%2F4b%2FRootBeerTapperGameplay.png&hash=946e862a1abeb9ca1b45a8e6d2960537)

Now for the tragic news.  We tightened security last night because of the previous night tragedy...though remind me to fire whoever gave our security toads the Sleepy Shrooms!

It was reported that some odd koopas with sunglasses made their way into a mushroom house last night:

(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2Ff%2Ffa%2FSPM_Red_KoopaTroopa.png%2F100px-SPM_Red_KoopaTroopa.png&hash=082b45dc101cc2de0b43294bbc34a417)(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2F3%2F33%2FPaperparatroopa.png&hash=10dffed120262312abf3d13fd238990a)

I can't say for sure what happened, but it seemed as if a toad was shelled to a game over!

So let us all mourn Generic Toad #433, Aaragonn.

....
....

Oh look, something in the sky! It's a bird, it's a mushplane! No...it's King Bowser Koopa, and he's got the princess again!  Doesn't he ever give it a rest?!  Well it looks like the Princess was unavailable last night again, so ya'll are probably exactly where you started.  What fun!

Now that it's daytime little toads, get back to your dancing and merry-making...if you can.  Talk amongst yourselves, and think carefully about who the bad guy could be.  Because if you pick someone wrong again, it'll be game over for everyone.

This day will end on 6:30PM PST on Friday, July 3rd.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aragonn on July 02, 2015, 02:04:17 AM
Well then........seems someone heeded my warning.

/me gets shelled to death
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on July 02, 2015, 04:39:50 AM
It's safe to assume one of the people who voted for me in the previous day phase was the other defender.

Given that it was first Colby, then Aragonn - both Hyperians - who got killed during the night, the killer could be an Hyperian himself.

So that's me or tau.

I'm considering voting for taulover, but I want to hear your thoughts first.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: taulover on July 02, 2015, 05:26:03 AM
On the other hand, the wolf might be intentionally targeting Hyperians to raise a false flag. So that would increase the pool of likely wolves to citizens who've been here long enough to realize how to utilize this potential (or simply looked and saw that we were all in the same familial house).
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on July 02, 2015, 04:40:08 PM
Laurentus, I must admit, your last post yesterday gave me some pause. This does not mean I no longer suspect you, just not as strongly as before.

Vote: Eject taulover

That's how my vote's gonna stay until I see you explain why exactly you voted Sapphiron and not Laurentus. I'd also like to see who you think the koopas are now.

Actually, I would like to see an updated list from everyone so far as to who they think is a koopa (at least one suspect) and why. @Wintermoot @aternox @Laurentus 

Pengu: Am I correct in thinking one of the players who started as a normal toad has now become a koopa, Iggy?

Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on July 02, 2015, 04:54:08 PM
Aragonn's death has taken away my biggest suspect. I can't make the statement that one person who voted for Sapph is a wolf, but that would be a likely thing if we're dealing with a fairly experienced player, or at least one who went to the trouble of reading the previous games and seeing that Sapph is one of the strongest players.

I don't have a clear suspect at this time, though. Everyone is a suspect.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Wintermoot on July 02, 2015, 04:54:45 PM
Actually, I would like to see an updated list from everyone so far as to who they think is a koopa (at least one suspect) and why. @Wintermoot @aternox @Laurentus
I continue to believe that Laurentus is the most likely Koopa, for all the reasons I posted yesterday in addition to the fact that the person he pushed so hard to have removed yesterday turned out to be Mario. taulover and aternox also voted for Sapphiron, and that makes them suspect, but I'm not sure if either of them are Koopas or if they just sold into Laurentus' argument. Your own summary selection of taulover is a little odd, too, but given that you didn't join in on the Sapphiron train I think you're somewhat less suspect.

Really, it could still be anyone though...we have plenty of time left. I think I'm going to wait and see what happens before I vote, seeing as this is win or lose. =/

Edit: Actually, why taulover? What are your reasons for selecting him right out the gate?

Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on July 02, 2015, 05:09:29 PM
I was actually hesitant to say this, in case a wolf buys into my reasoning and targets the person during the night phase, but I don't believe Aaron is likely to be a wolf. I think he could be our other defender, since it would make sense for him to oppose me so vehemently when I voted for Sapph in the previous day phase if he is the other defender and was thus automatically aware of her identity.

It could similarly be anyone who didn't jump on the Sapphiron bandwagon.

We really need our damn seer by now.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on July 02, 2015, 11:09:12 PM
Laurentus, I must admit, your last post yesterday gave me some pause. This does not mean I no longer suspect you, just not as strongly as before.

Vote: Eject taulover

That's how my vote's gonna stay until I see you explain why exactly you voted Sapphiron and not Laurentus. I'd also like to see who you think the koopas are now.

Actually, I would like to see an updated list from everyone so far as to who they think is a koopa (at least one suspect) and why. @Wintermoot @aternox @Laurentus 

Pengu: Am I correct in thinking one of the players who started as a normal toad has now become a koopa, Iggy?



Correct.  Since Anneliese, the Koopaling known as Ludwig Von Koopa was ejected due to inactivity, a toad was selected at random and converted into a new Koopaling, Iggy.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: taulover on July 02, 2015, 11:37:36 PM
Hmm. Well, that means that the Koopa could be anyone, regardless of previous behavior.

In any case, here are my thoughts on the situation:

Laurentus's points make much sense, and so I will first look at the two Hyperians. First, myself. As I said previously, I actually posted my vote after the deadline; I was rather rushed, and still had about one hundred math problems left. As such, I just made a quick decision.

The next Hyperian on the list, of course, is Laurentus. Both Wintermoot and Aaron have pointed out that he's acted strangely, including when compared to previous behavior. It is also likely that he semi-implicated himself with the "Hyperian" logic as a sort of reverse psychology to deflect votes away from him, but even a Toad would try to do that to survive.

Next, are the people who may have intentionally targeted Aragonn and Colby to raise a false flag. This, essentially, is everyone else, so there's not much point in looking into that. In any case, I think Wintermoot, who has already raised suspicion from not getting killed the first night, would be most suspect in this regard, though aternox or Aaron probably could have also done this, intentionally or not.

As for Aaron, Laurentus seems to have convincingly argued that Aaron is another defender. Then of course, this may not be the case; it is possible, for example, that Aaron is the new Koopa (and, again, asked the question to deflect suspicion), and is now working together with Bowser, which, in this hypothetical scenario, would be likely Laurentus.

Finally, aternox. IIRC from previous games, his behavior, ie not talking that much, but still contributing somewhat, is normal, but my memory may be incorrect.

Well, there's my thinking. In any case, we still have over a day to choose the suspected wolf.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: taulover on July 02, 2015, 11:39:07 PM
Note: I forgot to say this, but I suspected Wintermoot in the "false flag" idea mostly because he's the Monarch and therefore may have more of an idea of who's who.

Sorry for the double post.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: aternox on July 03, 2015, 12:40:48 AM
Having a villager turn into a wolf makes things a touch tricky, as it means we can't use past history to catch that person. We can still use the history of the other wolf to catch them, and now we know who their partner is we have something solid to go off.

The interesting things I noted with regard to Anneliese being a wolf (and an inactive one) are:

Day 1:
Wintermoot suggests lynching someone who isn't active (though doesn't vote for Anneliese)
Laurentus mentions he doesn't like lynching inactive people. To be fair, I agree with his point so it doesn't necessarily mean he is trying to ward off attention to his partner.

Day 2:
Laurentus discounts Anneliese or Mlfailor as being the wolves.
Aragonn agrees with the above point.
'Ah, and absenteeism is the best indicator of innocence?' from Aaron, though with respect to me rather than Anneliese.
Aaron suggests the two wolves may include an inactive player.

Based off that, I'd lean slightly towards Wintermoot and Aaron not being bad guys. Bringing attention to inactive players would be a bit risky for a wolf when their partner was one of the two.

Laurentus discounted Anneliese from being a wolf entirely, and then she turned out to be one. I'm not sure on this one, the first day's comment could have been trying to guide people away from his partner, but then going all in the next day seemed a bit strong for a wolf. If he was a wolf, he would know that it is likely his partner would be revealed for inactivity at the end of the day and it would make sense for him to voice at least a slight suspicion.

I didn't notice Taulover mentioning inactive players at all. I think that makes it a tad hard to make a judgement on him, he could just as easily be a wolf laying low in respect to their inactive partner as he could be an innocent villager.

At the moment, I would lean towards either Laurentus or Taulover being Anneliese's original partner.

The new wolf could be anyone really, I'm not really sure I have enough to go on there until the original wolf is either caught or strongly believed to be specific person.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on July 03, 2015, 01:25:39 AM
I don't have a clear suspect at this time, though. Everyone is a suspect.

You have had more material since you made this post. Any changes?

Edit: Actually, why taulover? What are your reasons for selecting him right out the gate?

Thanks for asking. Not only was it a test to see who would ask me about it directly (rather than the more passive "oh that was odd of you"), I wanted to see how it affected tau. Interestingly, he frames his post around going through every single person and describing them to various levels of suspicion, yet I'm finding it difficult to pinpoint his main suspect(s), just hypotheticals.

Everyone's suspects:

Wintermoot: Laurentus > aternox + taulover > Aaron
Laurentus: Everyone > Aaron
taulover: Wintermoot + Laurentus > everyone
aternox: Laurentus + taulover > Wintermoot + Aaron

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it's important to consider our new information: there was only one active koopa for the entirety of the last phase. I was mostly working on the assumption both koopas were active. Laurentus saying that he's definitely ruled out the inactives because of the dual functions still being used, whilst incorrect, has earned some credit from me for its apparent sincerity. Anyway, because one koopa was alive it means he was acting pretty much like a solo koopa would: going along with everything else and being opportunistic. In this sense I mean those who were on the periphery during the phase: anyone that wasn't myself or Laurentus. Discounting the dead, obviously, this leaves aternox, tau and Wintermoot.

From these, tau seems the worst offender. Wintermoot posted some reasoning which looked  reasonable (pardon the wording) and fairly transparent. aternox posted something and whilst I disagree with the conclusion he reached, he did something. Tau, meanwhile, posted little to nothing with his vote - not only that, he made a chance death certain at that point. To this point we still lack an explanation for why tau voted Sapph and not Laurentus. "Just made a quick decision" doesn't cut it for me. The argument that tau would've paid more attention if he was a koopa (by extension, be here before end of phase) doesn't hold since the counter is easily the RL he himself cites.

Basically, tau did nothing of substance last phase and the lack of care with his vote indicated he'd be happy either way (or wanted to save Laurentus), this phase he has failed to answer why exactly Sapph over Laurentus, and also who his main suspects are, giving something very vague instead.

There is also the NH-killer theory which has been going back and forth between tau and Laurentus. I agree with them in that essentially, one of the two wolves is definitely in tau and Laurentus.

Speaking of Laurentus, I still suspect him for the same reasons as the last phase, but because of his last few posts I feel there's a stronger chance he's a victim of circumstance. Having said that, even if he was innocent before, he could no longer be.

Meanwhile, I'm still trying to figure out why Aragonn was chosen. Maybe I'm being vain but I think me saying I've got a town read on him might have had something to do with it. The decision not to kill me at the same time might mean they expected me to keep going after Laurentus this phase, which is an awkward thought (since it implies Laurentus wasn't a koopa).

At this point I'm good to eject tau today, and so my vote will stay there, but I'm also willing to eject Laurentus if people think that's a better lynch. Wintermoot has seemed like a good player throughout this game. His vote for Laurentus yesterday, as mentioned, seemed okay and his behaviour today seems townish. aternox I'm simply not sure at this point. His post in the last phase in which he voted Saphh I still protest was off because from his point of view Laurentus was almost certainly the better vote. His most recent post however seems better.

Hmm. This koopa conversion is difficult to deal with. One player decided to kill Colberius, and that player with another then decided Aragonn. I'll be rereading the thread and make another post tomorrow but I suspect I will stand by what I said about wanting to eject tau or Laurentus today.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on July 03, 2015, 04:47:21 AM
I still don't have much of an idea. Tau usually keeps rather quiet, so I haven't picked up any irregular behaviour from him. The only thing I have to go on with him is the Hyperian thing, and to be honest, it is a little obvious.

We also have to consider that it may even be bullshit, since Aragonn and Colby were both good players too, and could be killed for multiple reasons that have nothing to do being Hyperians. Besides, 2 Hyperian deaths, even consecutively, are easy to chalk up to coincidence, because of such a small statistical sample.

Something we should worry about, though: if we go after King Koopa, and even guess him correctly, he won't be lynched, and the two Koopas can just kill anyone during the night to win.

Therefore we have to try and lynch this new Iggy character, which means we'll essentially have to go on a witch hunt, something I hate.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on July 03, 2015, 05:34:41 AM


Something we should worry about, though: if we go after King Koopa, and even guess him correctly, he won't be lynched, and the two Koopas can just kill anyone during the night to win.

Actually, you just have to vote the wrong person since it's down to 5 players.  No pressure or anything, and I'll even give extra time this phase to give everyone a good chance to theorize and lay it out, since it's officially crunch time.

We'll say instead of Friday at 6:30PM, we can end it on Saturday at 6:30PM PST, and that'll give you guys more time to figure out what you want to do.  And it'll make it that much more suspenseful.    :P
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: taulover on July 03, 2015, 05:42:14 AM
Actually, my order was more of  Laurentus > (but only slightly) everyone > (slightly again) aternox.

And as Laurentus pointed out, if we rely on past behavior, we're essentially screwed, so we'll need to look at the more recent posts.

Aaron and Laurentus suddenly supporting each other after previously opposing each other seems somewhat suspicious.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on July 03, 2015, 07:47:46 AM
Actually, my order was more of  Laurentus > (but only slightly) everyone > (slightly again) aternox.

And as Laurentus pointed out, if we rely on past behavior, we're essentially screwed, so we'll need to look at the more recent posts.

Aaron and Laurentus suddenly supporting each other after previously opposing each other seems somewhat suspicious.

This isn't typical tau behaviour anymore.

1. You're not answering the question that Aaron is putting to you (why you chose Sapph over me). Are you avoiding the question? It would seem so.

I accept that I'm still suspicious, but I must ask why I would hurt my own cause if I were a Koopa by pointing out that looking for King Koopa would be pretty useless? Especially (as you seem to be implying) if I want to hide the newest addition to the Koopa clan's identity, I'd remain completely silent on that point, since I'd realise that pointing that out could point to Aaron as a new Koopa since we no longer oppose each other so vehemently. I've pretty much been suspicious from the start, so if I am a Koopa, I'd be King Koopa, making Aaron this Iggy character.

2. Second paragraph is self-explanatory and true.

3. Why would Aaron even ask the question of whether we're dealing with a new Koopa, if he could have remained silent and we could easily have remained unnoticed as a Koopa pair?

I don't know what his reasons are for not suspecting me as much as he did previously, but it stands to reason that a defender would do everything in his power to ensure his partner's survival, making his insistence that I was the most suspicious (even though I was only slightly more suspicious) interesting, because if he were a defender, he'd know for certain that Sapph was also one, and would protect him to the end.

I'm beginning to suspect you all the more, tau. Usually, you would consider these things I've pointed out.

I'd in fact have been ready to vote for you if I weren't so afraid that you could be King Koopa, instead of Iggy.

Oh, that reminds me, @Pengu. Are we already screwed? Because even if we guess Iggy correctly and he gets ejected, we'd probably still lose someone during the night phase, meaning we'd be reduced to a 2:1 good/bad ratio, and if we then guess King Koopa's identity correctly, he would survive and kill another person, winning the game.

Am I correct in saying our only hope would be if our defender performs some world class defending?
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on July 03, 2015, 12:43:27 PM
Oh, <expletive>. I thought that the koopa-before-King rule applied only to Ludwig.

Yep, we're definitely <expletive>'d. Bigger post coming along later in the day, this is just part of my obligatory check-in in Wintreath.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on July 03, 2015, 04:02:12 PM
Actually, my order was more of  Laurentus > (but only slightly) everyone > (slightly again) aternox.

And as Laurentus pointed out, if we rely on past behavior, we're essentially screwed, so we'll need to look at the more recent posts.

Aaron and Laurentus suddenly supporting each other after previously opposing each other seems somewhat suspicious.

This isn't typical tau behaviour anymore.

1. You're not answering the question that Aaron is putting to you (why you chose Sapph over me). Are you avoiding the question? It would seem so.

I accept that I'm still suspicious, but I must ask why I would hurt my own cause if I were a Koopa by pointing out that looking for King Koopa would be pretty useless? Especially (as you seem to be implying) if I want to hide the newest addition to the Koopa clan's identity, I'd remain completely silent on that point, since I'd realise that pointing that out could point to Aaron as a new Koopa since we no longer oppose each other so vehemently. I've pretty much been suspicious from the start, so if I am a Koopa, I'd be King Koopa, making Aaron this Iggy character.

2. Second paragraph is self-explanatory and true.

3. Why would Aaron even ask the question of whether we're dealing with a new Koopa, if he could have remained silent and we could easily have remained unnoticed as a Koopa pair?

I don't know what his reasons are for not suspecting me as much as he did previously, but it stands to reason that a defender would do everything in his power to ensure his partner's survival, making his insistence that I was the most suspicious (even though I was only slightly more suspicious) interesting, because if he were a defender, he'd know for certain that Sapph was also one, and would protect him to the end.

I'm beginning to suspect you all the more, tau. Usually, you would consider these things I've pointed out.

I'd in fact have been ready to vote for you if I weren't so afraid that you could be King Koopa, instead of Iggy.

Oh, that reminds me, @Pengu. Are we already screwed? Because even if we guess Iggy correctly and he gets ejected, we'd probably still lose someone during the night phase, meaning we'd be reduced to a 2:1 good/bad ratio, and if we then guess King Koopa's identity correctly, he would survive and kill another person, winning the game.

Am I correct in saying our only hope would be if our defender performs some world class defending?

Sorry, that was meant to be a quote, not an edit.  It's annoying when they're so close together.  <.<

Look at it this way:

If Iggy gets ejected, that puts you down to 3 good guys and 1 bad guy.  If you survive the night phase, you keep that ratio, and if you lose someone, it's still 2 to 1, and the Koopalings and Bowser can only win if they match the remaining number of good guys.  So if you were pushed down to 2 to 1 and voted wrong the next phase, he'd win.  If you voted correctly, you'd win.  It's crunch time, but you can still win if you make the right choices.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: taulover on July 03, 2015, 06:18:49 PM
This isn't typical tau behaviour anymore.

1. You're not answering the question that Aaron is putting to you (why you chose Sapph over me). Are you avoiding the question? It would seem so.
Much like Aragonn did, I voted for Sapphiron because I was running out of time and did not want to chance at being ejected for inactivity. Furthermore, Sapphiron was already winning by an overwhelming amount at that point, so my vote was pointless except for that reason. And then, of course, I was busy, and so I just voted the way that seemed to both be the general opinion and the one one least likely to cause disturbances. (I mean, I could have voted to eject myself, but I didn't think of that until afterward.)
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I accept that I'm still suspicious, but I must ask why I would hurt my own cause if I were a Koopa by pointing out that looking for King Koopa would be pretty useless? Especially (as you seem to be implying) if I want to hide the newest addition to the Koopa clan's identity, I'd remain completely silent on that point, since I'd realise that pointing that out could point to Aaron as a new Koopa since we no longer oppose each other so vehemently. I've pretty much been suspicious from the start, so if I am a Koopa, I'd be King Koopa, making Aaron this Iggy character.
I meant that, hypothetically, you may be King Koopa. And you could be intetionally hurting your own cause to deflect suspicion, and might also point that out to hurt morale.
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2. Second paragraph is self-explanatory and true.

3. Why would Aaron even ask the question of whether we're dealing with a new Koopa, if he could have remained silent and we could easily have remained unnoticed as a Koopa pair?
As I have stated earlier, he may have done that to deflect suspicion; Pengu's post (the one in which Sapph got ejected) already pointed out that a new Koopa had been chosen, so there was no need to ask again.

King Koopa: Cheer for now little toads, but now with Mario out of the way, I can do this!

*King Koopa waves his wand, as one of the toads transforms into Iggy Koopa.  Iggy hops away and dons a new, better looking Toad mask before he blends back into the crowd.*

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I don't know what his reasons are for not suspecting me as much as he did previously, but it stands to reason that a defender would do everything in his power to ensure his partner's survival, making his insistence that I was the most suspicious (even though I was only slightly more suspicious) interesting, because if he were a defender, he'd know for certain that Sapph was also one, and would protect him to the end.
My conjecture fits as well, though. If you were King Koopa, your suspicious behavior may have alerted Aaron, but if he were also chosen as Iggy, he would try to deflect suspicion away from you.
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I'm beginning to suspect you all the more, tau. Usually, you would consider these things I've pointed out.
As you can see, I did see all that you've pointed out. I just interpreted the information in a different way.
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I'd in fact have been ready to vote for you if I weren't so afraid that you could be King Koopa, instead of Iggy.
That's also why I don't think I'll vote for you. Even if you or I were a Koopa, we'd probably be Bowser and nothing would happen, so there's still no point voting for me or you.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: taulover on July 04, 2015, 05:40:12 PM
I'm not sure I will be able to make it to the deadline after this, so for now, I will Vote: Eject Aaron Specter.

I really don't have a lead on anyone. Laurentus is suspicious, but he's been suspicious throughout, and basically everyone else seems like a possible wolf.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on July 04, 2015, 07:57:57 PM
Can the mod confirm we're allowed to claim our roles?

I think a massclaim is our best bet. I confess the 'bigger post' I promised earlier I bailed on the moment I realised we need to get Iggy and Bowser doesn't matter this phase.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on July 04, 2015, 10:08:01 PM
As there's no ruling against it, role revealing is allowed.  Whether or not people believe a role reveal is a different story.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on July 04, 2015, 10:11:58 PM
Not sure what the point is any more since we're running out of time.

As some of you have already guessed, I am the other Defender, Luigi.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Wintermoot on July 05, 2015, 01:24:28 AM
I'm a generic toad, though I'm not sure the purpose of this...somehow I don't think anyone is going to openly admit to being Bowser or Iggy. :P

I was honestly waiting for more votes to cast my own, since I believe the votes of others will be telling...however, with only two hours left in the day and only two votes cast (taulover and Aaron Specter for each other), I'll have to proceed with what I have. I still think that Laurentus is the most likely Koopa...probably Bowser since my suspicions go back a few turns. If I'm right, voting for him wouldn't be helpful, but he would know who Iggy is and perhaps that would reflect in his actions this turn. And while he hasn't voted yet (I was waiting for his vote, tbh), his last few posts have been critical of taulover, who Aaron voted for right out the gate.

There's a chance I'm wrong about the whole thing, and there's a chance that Laurentus would be critical of taulover knowing that we have been suspicious of him and wanting to distance himself from Iggy, but it also seems odd that suddenly Aaron finds Laurentus to be less suspicious and voted for someone right out the gate. But then again, it must be hard to be cast as Iggy after being a helpful, innocent toad fighting the Koopa all this time. Maybe I'm wrong or being misled, but right now that seems the most likely narrative to me.

Vote: Eject Aaron Specter
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on July 05, 2015, 06:54:46 AM
I'm a generic toad, but I'm also not certain exactly what the point is.

It seems I'll have no choice but to vote for taulover, since it's unlikely I'll get support at this time to vote for Wintermoot.

So vote: eject taulover

EDIT: Also, I suppose the point could be that the REAL defender could challenge Aaron if he weren't one.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on July 05, 2015, 03:02:12 PM
Decisions, decisions...Aaron, or Taulover?  Which should the citizens eject from the Kingdom?  Aaron?  Or Taulover? Luigi?  Or Princess Peach?  It's a tough call.

*flips a coin*

And the result is:

WAKE UP little toads, and all hail your glorious leader, King Bowser Koopa!  Last night, our scaliness crushed the last of the resistance when he ejected the infuriating Luigi (whom he affectionately called "Greenie") out of the Mushroom Kingdom for good.  He then had Iggy fire the generic toad out of a mushroom cannon, ejecting him as well, whilst he took Princess Peach to his castle to be his bride.  With nobody to stop him, Bowser has become the king of Mushroom Kingdom, and the land itself has been reduced to a wasteland with Koopas taking over, and Bowser's castle now residing where the Mushroom Kingdom castle once stood.

It seems all hope is now lost for good.

Here were the rest of the roles, today:

*Taulover: Princess Peach
*Aaron Specter: Luigi
*Wintermoot: King Bowser Koopa
*Aternox:  Iggy Koopa
*Laurentus: Generic Toad #394

Great game everyone! I'll post a nightly synposis once I get home from work this evening.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Wintermoot on July 05, 2015, 03:10:49 PM
The ability to play as Bowser has made our society more evil. (http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/ability-play-bowser-has-made-our-society-more-evil-1644) :))
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on July 05, 2015, 04:36:21 PM
Well, at least Wintermoot has had his revenge. :P

When did aternox become Iggy?
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Sapphiron on July 05, 2015, 05:10:55 PM
Congratulations to the winners! ;)

When did aternox become Iggy?
I do believe it's when this post is made.
*a poorly drawn toad-mask falls off of Annelise, revealing them to be Ludwig Von Koopa.  Everyone gasps, but jumps for joy.*

King Koopa: Cheer for now little toads, but now with Mario out of the way, I can do this!

*King Koopa waves his wand, as one of the toads transforms into Iggy Koopa.  Iggy hops away and dons a new, better looking Toad mask before he blends back into the crowd.*
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Aaron Specter on July 05, 2015, 05:36:27 PM
I'm a generic toad, though I'm not sure the purpose of this...somehow I don't think anyone is going to openly admit to being Bowser or Iggy. :P


At the time, the logic was that the following would have been claimed: Luigi, Toad, Peach. There would be 2 claimed Toads, both of whom started as toads, but one of them now Iggy. Bowser would have to counterclaim Peach or Luigi. Thus we'd narrow down who we had to lynch from there - one of the two Toad claims. Also we'd have one confirmed clear. If there were two Luigi claims and two Toad claims, then whoever claimed Peach must be the real Peach. If there were two Peach claims, similarly, whoever claimed Luigi must be the true Luigi.

Well played though, to everyone.

Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Sapphiron on July 05, 2015, 06:04:07 PM
This is the fastest game to end though. :P
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Colberius X on July 05, 2015, 06:26:07 PM
It made for an interesting game, though.

Okay, whose idea was it to get rid of me immediately, and why?  :P
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Wintermoot on July 05, 2015, 07:01:16 PM
At the time, the logic was that the following would have been claimed: Luigi, Toad, Peach. There would be 2 claimed Toads, both of whom started as toads, but one of them now Iggy. Bowser would have to counterclaim Peach or Luigi. Thus we'd narrow down who we had to lynch from there - one of the two Toad claims. Also we'd have one confirmed clear. If there were two Luigi claims and two Toad claims, then whoever claimed Peach must be the real Peach. If there were two Peach claims, similarly, whoever claimed Luigi must be the true Luigi.

Well played though, to everyone.
Even if that were the case, it would still be up to everyone to decide which of the two people were the real good people and the real bad people, a process that could have taken 2-4 turns depending on lucky guesses and the actions of the wolves. It was a bit too little, too late at the very last turn. :P

This is the fastest game to end though. :P
And it's a shame, too...I think this game fell victim to bad timing, with the beginning of the annual NS summer decline and a lot of people taking breaks and vactions. I hope we revisit this theme in the future though, cause it was bar none my favourite, and Pengu's posts brought the theme to life in his uniquely humorous way. In spite of the relative inactivity, this was my favourite game, and I even think it was more intimate in a way. :)

It made for an interesting game, though.

Okay, whose idea was it to get rid of me immediately, and why?  :P
That would be me. :P I believed that Laurentus would be the most formidable opponent from what I observed during the first day phase, but I felt that directly targetting him would be obvious and a waste of a vote, so I picked you instead in the hopes that someone would pick up on Laurentus mentioning you during the first day...which fortunately Sapphiron did. :P
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on July 05, 2015, 08:00:31 PM
I'll be revisiting it when Wintreath becomes a bit more active.  This was actually a severely watered down version of the idea that I had, and I changed the title so that I can revisit it in its entirety later, and hopefully add all of the twists and surprises that were originally intended.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Wintermoot on July 05, 2015, 08:01:10 PM
Usually the summer decline ends in September...maybe after then?

Edit: Then in November we have the winter decline to look forward to. :P
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on July 05, 2015, 11:26:05 PM
I fucked up badly in the second day phase. I honestly couldn't think of a way to avoid suspicion after that.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Wintermoot on July 05, 2015, 11:31:37 PM
I must say, I didn't expect you to go after Sapphiron so hard, but it played well into my strategy. :P
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: aternox on July 05, 2015, 11:55:36 PM
Good game everyone! That last day was going to be tricky for the good players for sure.

I liked the theme Pengu. I've had a Mario kart inspired theme in mind for a while, but never the time to run it. Hopefully we will get to revisit the Mushroom Kingdom again :)

Anyone suffering from werewolf withdraws already could sign up for the XKI game here: http://10000islands.proboards.com/thread/30487/werewolf-44-planet-express?page=2#scrollTo=1308860 Sign ups are only open for 24 more hours though.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Wintermoot on July 06, 2015, 12:09:01 AM
I've never really watched Futurama, but it seems to have attracted a lot of people. :)
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on July 06, 2015, 01:20:29 AM
Good game everyone! That last day was going to be tricky for the good players for sure.

I liked the theme Pengu. I've had a Mario kart inspired theme in mind for a while, but never the time to run it. Hopefully we will get to revisit the Mushroom Kingdom again :)

Anyone suffering from werewolf withdraws already could sign up for the XKI game here: http://10000islands.proboards.com/thread/30487/werewolf-44-planet-express?page=2#scrollTo=1308860 Sign ups are only open for 24 more hours though.

Well, since Werewolf 45 is going to be the same theme in XKI, hopefully it'll be explored to it's fullest given the normal attendance of players we tend to get.  And being able to fully explore it there will help me tweak things here and there to hopefully craft and refine it for here.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on July 06, 2015, 05:54:43 AM
I must say, I didn't expect you to go after Sapphiron so hard, but it played well into my strategy. :P
I had nothing else to go on. I didn't really want to go after you because the tradition of dying first wasn't a completely valid reason to go for you, and that really kicked me in the butt.

Then with the way both Sapph and I acted out of character, I couldn't really change my vote even if I wanted to, because at that stage it was between me and him.

My one last hope was to try and convince people that Aaron was our defender, but then there were too few people left, and our suspicions didn't help. I chose too late to whole-heartedly go with my suspicion that you were a Koopa.
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Michi on July 07, 2015, 03:42:37 AM
So rather than going crazy with it:

*Wintermoot killed off Colberius X on night one, and then Aragonn in night 2.  He also kidnapped the princess on both nights.:P
*Taulover chose to scan Wintermoot on the first night, but was kidnapped and thus his scan was useless.  Shame about that one, really.  He didn't scan anyone on the next night.
*The defenders didn't defend anyone on night one.  Aaron defended himself on night two.
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Post by: Aragonn on July 07, 2015, 02:26:02 PM
Is it okay to state that I figured Wintermoot to be King Koopa after I died?
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Post by: Michi on July 07, 2015, 07:27:07 PM
I have a feeling most people suspected it, but since finding the Koopalings was a priority first, nobody wanted to point fingers.
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Post by: Wintermoot on July 07, 2015, 07:44:39 PM
I actually thought I did fairly well at masking myself. :P
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Post by: Aragonn on July 07, 2015, 09:17:30 PM
You slipped after I died, Snowturnip.
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Post by: Wintermoot on July 07, 2015, 09:20:40 PM
But you were dead, and thus it didn't matter, gaming buddy. ;)
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Post by: Aaron Specter on July 07, 2015, 11:23:06 PM
I actually thought I did fairly well at masking myself. :P

I agree. You were my top choice for being the only remaining toad. It was mainly you neither overplaying nor underplaying the reasons you were alive being linked to being a koopa.
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Post by: Wintermoot on July 09, 2015, 02:17:44 AM
I tried to play like I would have if I wasn't a koopa...I really would have heavily suspected Laurentus even if I were just a generic toad. :P
Title: Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
Post by: Laurentus on July 09, 2015, 09:11:44 AM
And I really would have heavily suspected myself too.