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A Link to the Past - Archives => The Registry of Things Past - Historic Archive => Underhusen Archive => Topic started by: taulover on October 14, 2017, 07:58:33 PM
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A while back, Laurentus suggested making Reon and Point Breeze Paragons (http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=4619.msg108890#msg108890), in addition to Colberius X.
Thoughts on bestowing the honor on Reon? I did not know him very well, so others would need to provide reasons why.
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@Mathyland
@Pengu
@Laurentus
@North
(Purposing these mentions for both new Paragon threads.)
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Yeah, sure, alas, I also did not know Reon to well, if I recall he spent his time on the IRC a lot.
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I tend to agree. Additionally, even though Colby is my housemate and friend, the same might need to happen for him, too. Reon and Colby were great, but I'm finding it difficult to think of direct, concrete accomplishments for them both.
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I tend to agree. Additionally, even though Colby is my housemate and friend, the same might need to happen for him, too. Reon and Colby were great, but I'm finding it difficult to think of direct, concrete accomplishments for them both.
You kinda missed the more important part, which was the suggestion of commendation:
What if we gave Reon a Commendation instead? If we elevate 3 people it might degrade the value of being a Paragon.
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So, lets get this ball rolling.
What are the reasons that we should honor Reon, other than his service in the UH and being a great member of the citizenry?
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Well, there's also service on the OH.
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He was also Thane of Culture for a bit, and was pretty active with Amalya for a bit before he was inactive with me. :P
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Also one of the first people on the current Minecraft server, helping to set up the community there, but that honor belongs to a bunch of people so it probably shouldn't go on there.
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Hey guys, I'm not sure how we missed this, but Reon also served as WA Delegate (and Jarl of WA Affairs) for almost three years.
Now that we definitely do have things to put into a Commendation, shall we get this law written and passed before our term is over?
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Title
1. This bill shall be cited as the Reon Commendation Act.
Recognition
2. Wintreath notes the numerous achievements of Reon, including:
(a) Contributing to both the Underhusen and Overhusen repeatedly, authoring laws such as the Monarch-Underhusen Rights Removal Amendment Act,
(b) Serving as World Assembly Delegate, as well as Jarl of WA Affairs, for almost three years,
(c) Fostering the region's culture as Thane of Culture.
3. The Storting hereby awards Reon the Commendation of Wintreath.
Thoughts? If everyone is fine with this, I humbly request that my fellow Skrifa motion to expedite.
@Mathyland
@Pengu
@Laurentus
@North
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I motion to vote
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I second
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Motion passes.
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So, this act has been voted down in the Overhusen. Let me quote Wintermoot's reasoning for convenience:
Nay
With all due respect to the Underhusen, what did Reon do or accomplish? What impact did he have on the region and the community? Most of the "achievements" the commendation includes are lists of positions...is holding positions really commendable in its own right? What did he do in these positions that's so commendable? As it stands the only actual accomplishment that the commendation lists is that he authored some laws. Is that really why we still think of Reon over a year after his departure: that he held some positions for a long time and wrote a few laws?
Even if it turns out that the most commendable thing about Reon is the postive impact he had on the community just from being part of it, I feel like that would make for a more worthy commendation of Reon than what we're considering today. I don't necessary have a problem with a commendation listing the positions that they held as well, I just don't feel like they should be the meat of the commendation.
I'll admit, I did rush this bill a bit. But still, precedence in earlier laws seems to be to focus more on concrete achievements, however small, for Commendations, instead of the true impact that these exceptional citizens have had on the community. (The exception is Pengu's Commendation, but considering that that law was adapted from a rejected Paragon act, I don't think it really counts.)
Thoughts? Should we try again, with a modified law, or put this matter to rest?
@Mathyland
@Pengu
@Laurentus
@North
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Well, let us modify the law and invite @Wintermoot to provide his thoughts on things to commend Reon for.
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His suggestion was to bring up simply Reon's positive impact on the community, and/or to not commend him at all...
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[First post during 25th term of the UH. I feel like it would be good practice to mark this point.]
In favor of Reon, so far we have:
1. Served as WA Delegate (and Jarl of WA Affairs) for almost three years.
2. Thane of Culture for a bit
3. Was pretty active with Amalya
4. Service on the OH
That was denied in the OH, here (http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=4862.0). Wuufu and Aragonn's votes cancelled with no explanation given, but Wintermoot explained his No vote, saying that just holding many positions is not enough.
Given this, is there anything more we can say in favor of Reon, that makes them worthy of commendation? I have not been long enough to know anything about Reon, so I cannot say anything myself, but perhaps someone else would have relevant knowledge? If not within the Underhusen, is there anyone else left in Wintreath to reach out to who could speak in Reon's favor?
If there truly is nothing more to be said, it is of my opinion that it's time to archive this, but I do not want to do so without a chance to note any achievements that may have been missed earlier that would justify amending the bill and trying again.
What I have found in my brief research so far, in finding Reon's final topic, http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=3826, back in August of 2016, is that although accomplishments were not mentioned there, I note that BraveSirRobin, Laurentus, and Sapphiron spoke with a feeling of familiarity of Reon, and may have ideas of what he has done for Wintreath, but are not currently in the UH to speak up. (Edit: Or Emoticonius, who coincidentally came back around the time I was posting this) Wuufu may know something too, but did not note it in the OH vote despite considering Reon to be commendation worthy. Shall we consult any of them before deciding how to proceed?
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I'd like to point out again that @Wintermoot's main concern was that we only listed positions instead of concerning ourselves with the less tangible, yet more "real" impact of Reon. With some restructuring of what was a rather rushed bill, I think this could work.
@BraveSirRobin @Laurentus @Sapphiron @Wuufu @Emoticonius and others, would appreciate it if you could share your thoughts in the Citizens' Platform thread (http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=4785.0).
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Didn't see that topic... I forgot that anyone can post in that "The Citizens' Platform" subforum, I think when I registered I noted I couldn't post in "The Storting" and assumed it was the same for every subforum under the "The City of Frostlake (Government)" category. Hopefully just me to be confused by that.
Looks like initially, not much was posted after the 1-2 OH vote.