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Should Gov be declared PNG? Choices are final, so consider carefully.  

Aye
13 (76.5%)
Nay
1 (5.9%)
I don't care, either way
3 (17.6%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: January 27, 2018, 05:48:08 AM


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Declare Gov PNG
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Chanku
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  •    I feel like I should, at least, give something a bit more to this effort, to try and fully encapsulate my thoughts on this matter. I will be honest when I say I'm not sure if this is more for Govindia, for posterity, or for myself, however I do feel it is most appropriate to say something a bit more long-form. So here it goes.

       "Your relationship with Wintreath and the people within it has become toxic, and it is damaging everyone who is at least peripherally connected to you," this quote is from Point Breeze during the last revocation, and I believe this best describes our situation today. Over two years the relationship between Govindia and Wintreath has degraded further that it was during the revocation. The relationship has become toxic enough that even Wintermoot, one of the most patient people I know, has grown tired of Govindia. Wintermoot's post has lead me to realize this. At this point, the relationship is no longer sustainable, and it is my opinion that the relationship is no longer even salvageable. While I must wonder if anything could have been done differently to have not arrived at this point, I don't think that there is. However I must admit, that as much as I dislike Govindia, as much as I would rather not have him around, my support for a Persona Non Grata declaration is there, but is also with a tinge of regret and sadness. Two years ago, when the Storting revoked his citizenship, many of those in the process hoped that Govindia would change and could return, and I was among them. While I will admit, my hope was layered with skepticism and that I believed that it would come to this, I did have hope that Govindia would change. I will admit that I am, to an extent, disappointed and regretful that it has. I am disappointed at the fact that the hopes of Wintreans in the past were squandered and that the region must, once more, deal with the question of Govindia's status within the community. I am regretful that it seems we must now take the ultimate act and the most extreme censure Wintreath as a community can levy against someone, and that it seems that we must now declare Govindia Persona Non Grata. Honestly with the way things are going, it seems like most people do not have much to say on this. Whether they are indifferent, or just plain tired of this.

       I implore everyone, regardless of your stance on this, regardless of the outcome, to use this time as a reflection. We are now about to levy our harshest and most extreme form of punishment on someone, and we have allowed a relationship to become overly toxic and become unsalvageable. I do believe it is our duty to reflect, as a community, and work to try and make sure this doesn't happen again. So that, future generations of Wintrean can avoid the pain that goes with revocation, and perhaps a declaration not dissimilar to this one. Regardless of the outcome, the community should use the past several years as experience in order to move forward and it is our responsibility, both Wintreans old and new, to build upon it, and to allow our region to move forward.
    See you later space cowboy.
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    Chanku
    tatte
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  • I'll pass the reminder here as well. The proposal was made two days and 18 hours ago, meaning there's by default two more days and six hours left before the UH has to proceed.

    I suggest that even those who feel like everything they would say has already been said still personally contribute their views of the matter.
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    Laurentus
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  • I suggest that the Skrifa update the bill. As it is, were I a Skrifa, I'd vote against it. A good template to follow would be the revocation bill. @Aethelia, @tatte, @Mathyland, @taulover, @Crushita.
    In die donker ure skink net duiwels nog 'n dop, 
    Satan sit saam sy kinders en kyk hoe kom die son op. 
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    Crushita
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  • I suggest that the Skrifa update the bill. As it is, were I a Skrifa, I'd vote against it. A good template to follow would be the revocation bill. @Aethelia, @tatte, @Mathyland, @taulover, @Crushita.

    No worries, that bill was mostly just a template to throw things on and get the process going. Its been amended.
    3 people like this post: Aethelia, Laurentus, tatte
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    Doc
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  • I think that a nice, important bit of circumstantial evidence is that for all of the hullaballoo on the Discord, when the opportunity was presented to defend himself here on the forum, all he did was complain that people dogpiled him and ask people on Discord to represent him because he's somehow incapable of doing so himself.
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  • Thank you to all members of the Storting, for giving this issue the care it deserved, and finally taking the necessary action. For better or worse, this marks the end of an era.
    5 people like this post: taulover, Dawsinian, Gerrick, Aethelia, Gattoartico
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  • Thank you to all members of the Storting, for giving this issue the care it deserved, and finally taking the necessary action. For better or worse, this marks the end of an era.

    Laurentus how dare you copy my words!
    2 people like this post: Aethelia, Laurentus
    End of Time

    I remember there in the dawn,
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    A sight more grand than this.

    Now I sit here in the dusk,
    While the suns die and die,
    That never will I see a sight more sad,
    Or a sight more beautiful.
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    Emoticonius
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  • I'm just glad it's finally over.
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    NyghtOwl
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  • I feel as though I may be a little out of the loop here. I remember this issue somewhat vaguely but never paid it much attention. If I may ask, how do we keep one labeled PNG out of wintreath? This is the internet, can't he just come back, unbeknownst to the rest of us, with a different screen name?
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    Laurentus
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  • I suppose we could block his IP, but I have next to no knowledge of such things.
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    Michi
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  • In many messageboards I believe including this one, Administrators have the option of different types of bans: Temporary, Username, and IP.

    While anyone can get around a username ban (for like...a minute before they're discovered), there's less ways around an IP ban.  Whether it being having to resort to IP shufflers or just using a different computer elsewhere, it's a more thorough type of ban for anyone that thinks they can just create a new account.
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