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I just read this long but excellent Atlantic article about Obama. Thought some of you guys might like reading it as well.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/01/my-president-was-black/508793/

>White privilege
stopped reading there, what a load of horsesh*t. Obama was the worst president in recent memory imho. Weak and bending over for islamist tyranny.

Obama was the best President since Clinton.

Obama was the best President since Clinton.

Clinton was a corporate shill that deregulated telecommunications and created the massive media conglomerates we know today. Obama supported the fucking Muslim Brotherhood. What kind of fuckup would support the Muslim Brotherhood? We should be actively supressing and destroying politicized Islam all over the world, not supporting it! Thankfully we have been spared at least four years of future Democrap rule.

American achieved a level of prosperity under Clinton that we haven't seen since and likely won't see for a long time. The budget was balanced, we were paying down the national debt, unemployment was low, and wages were going up. I don't agree with some of his centralist politics, but given the politics of the time it's understandable...he represented a brand of Democrats that felt they needed to act like Republicans on social issues to get elected. Hopefully the failure of his wife to win election will finally put that theory to rest, but I still believe he's the best president we've had since Kennedy.

Under Obama, the economy has generated jobs on a monthly basis for most of his presidency, he advanced affordable healthcare for all, as flawed as the actual implementation of it was, and he was a stalwart support of the rights of minorities, especially for the LGBTQ+ community. Even more amazing, he accomplished this in spite of Republicans promising to undermine anything he wanted to do before he even took office...including in some cases legislation they previously supported. Perhaps just as importantly, if you had read taulover's article, he articulated a trust and a vision that resonated with America, including white America, which is probably why he was elected twice. Being one of the most gifted orators of our generation probably helped too.

Now lets look at Trump...instead of 'draining the swamp' as he promised during the campaign, he's hired them into his government. His Cabinet is composed of millionaires and billionaires...richer than the bottom third of American households combined. His tax plan calls for a massive tax cut for the rich, similar to the Bush tax cuts that did nothing except explode the national debt. His solution to Carrier exporting jobs to Mexico was to allow them to still export some jobs while giving them over $7 million in corporate welfare...money that no doubt the taxpayers of Indiana will have to cover. He still supports a registry of Muslim-Americans, reminiscent of the Nazi-era requirements for Jews to 'self-identify', and likewise his judicial picks are very likely to curtail freedoms and liberties for minorities while affirming the role of big business and big government. And that's not even speaking of him as a person...someone whose petty narcissism and authoritarianism would make him more in-place as the generalissimo of a banana republic than as the leader of the free world.

But hey, at least it won't be the status quo Clinton would have offered, right?

American achieved a level of prosperity under Clinton that we haven't seen since and likely won't see for a long time. The budget was balanced, we were paying down the national debt, unemployment was low, and wages were going up. I don't agree with some of his centralist politics, but given the politics of the time it's understandable...he represented a brand of Democrats that felt they needed to act like Republicans on social issues to get elected. Hopefully the failure of his wife to win election will finally put that theory to rest, but I still believe he's the best president we've had since Kennedy.

Under Obama, the economy has generated jobs on a monthly basis for most of his presidency, he advanced affordable healthcare for all, as flawed as the actual implementation of it was, and he was a stalwart support of the rights of minorities, especially for the LGBTQ+ community. Even more amazing, he accomplished this in spite of Republicans promising to undermine anything he wanted to do before he even took office...including in some cases legislation they previously supported. Perhaps just as importantly, if you had read taulover's article, he articulated a trust and a vision that resonated with America, including white America, which is probably why he was elected twice. Being one of the most gifted orators of our generation probably helped too.

Now lets look at Trump...instead of 'draining the swamp' as he promised during the campaign, he's hired them into his government. His Cabinet is composed of millionaires and billionaires...richer than the bottom third of American households combined. His tax plan calls for a massive tax cut for the rich, similar to the Bush tax cuts that did nothing except explode the national debt. His solution to Carrier exporting jobs to Mexico was to allow them to still export some jobs while giving them over $7 million in corporate welfare...money that no doubt the taxpayers of Indiana will have to cover. He still supports a registry of Muslim-Americans, reminiscent of the Nazi-era requirements for Jews to 'self-identify', and likewise his judicial picks are very likely to curtail freedoms and liberties for minorities while affirming the role of big business and big government. And that's not even speaking of him as a person...someone whose petty narcissism and authoritarianism would make him more in-place as the generalissimo of a banana republic than as the leader of the free world.

But hey, at least it won't be the status quo Clinton would have offered, right?

Clinton continued the neoliberal stupidity of Reagan and Bush and basically created the conditions for the 2008 recession to happen. He created the megacorporations, and turned the white house into a brothel.
As for fucking Obama, while his first term was tame enough, he has turned into yet another neoliberal shill and a fucking islamist apologist too. The islamic world is not equal to the western one, and at least Trump has the balls to tell people that. And it won't be for a long time if Obama's saudi puppet masters have anything to say about it. We must ruthlessly and violently supress and destroy politicized Islam. Cabinet picks? Who the fuck is Obama to talk about cabinet picks? He chose Hillary fucking Clinton to represent America abroad. She was the worst secretary of state we have ever had, and flirted with the oil sheikhs. The whole DNC can rot in hell, the time for leftist degeneracy is over. Tradition and order must prevail over weakminded cowtowing. America must be strong again, and not afraid to destroy hostile ideologies or the people who propogate them.

Obama was the best President since Clinton.

Clinton was a corporate shill that deregulated telecommunications and created the massive media conglomerates we know today. Obama supported the fucking Muslim Brotherhood. What kind of fuckup would support the Muslim Brotherhood? We should be actively supressing and destroying politicized Islam all over the world, not supporting it! Thankfully we have been spared at least four years of future Democrap rule.

You're right, how dare he support the Democratically elected government of Egypt, America does not approve so fuck the people of Egypt and fuck the Democratic process, let's go in there and topple a government! Cause it's worked so well everytime America has meddled in other countries politics, just look at Iran.

Erdogan was democratically elected also, and now he is a dictator. Morsi would have done the exact same thing if given the chance. We must destroy islamism wherever it is no matter the circumstance. And we must annihilate the gulf states that support it. The middle east must be civilized if there is to be any peace. As for Iran, do you think Mosaddegh was some kind of lovely saint that was only doing what was best for his country and got put down by the evil British? Think again, he was a self-declared socialist and a tool for soviet control. Were he not deposed he would have turned Iran commie, and they'd be in the exact same position as they are today prosperity wise.

I find that with politics people always value some issues over other issues, then instead of trying to discuss which issues should be valued to what degree they just tell each other over and over that this or that candidate is bad because of their poor position on the issue the other person doesn't really care about as much.

To me, the problem of how Islam is treated is nearly immaterial when compared to global warming.. so.. Obama/Clinton would get some points for that from me, and Trump/Bush will be docked some.

Sorry Pengu, HannahB. After reading all these things, that's what was on my mind, not that I would be against moving the discussion to another topic.

Obama was the best President since Clinton.

Clinton was a corporate shill that deregulated telecommunications and created the massive media conglomerates we know today. Obama supported the fucking Muslim Brotherhood. What kind of fuckup would support the Muslim Brotherhood? We should be actively supressing and destroying politicized Islam all over the world, not supporting it! Thankfully we have been spared at least four years of future Democrap rule.

You're right, how dare he support the Democratically elected government of Egypt, America does not approve so fuck the people of Egypt and fuck the Democratic process, let's go in there and topple a government! Cause it's worked so well everytime America has meddled in other countries politics, just look at Iran.

Erdogan was democratically elected also, and now he is a dictator. Morsi would have done the exact same thing if given the chance. We must destroy islamism wherever it is no matter the circumstance. And we must annihilate the gulf states that support it. The middle east must be civilized if there is to be any peace. As for Iran, do you think Mosaddegh was some kind of lovely saint that was only doing what was best for his country and got put down by the evil British? Think again, he was a self-declared socialist and a tool for soviet control. Were he not deposed he would have turned Iran commie, and they'd be in the exact same position as they are today prosperity wise.

Who the fuck elected you to be the arbiter of the world? You and your mindset is everything wrong with America.

Enough. Everyone go to their rooms and rediscover the meaning of civil discourse.

Enough. Everyone go to their rooms and rediscover the meaning of civil discourse.

Oh dear, what have I started...

I find that with politics people always value some issues over other issues, then instead of trying to discuss which issues should be valued to what degree they just tell each other over and over that this or that candidate is bad because of their poor position on the issue the other person doesn't really care about as much.

To me, the problem of how Islam is treated is nearly immaterial when compared to global warming.. so.. Obama/Clinton would get some points for that from me, and Trump/Bush will be docked some.

Sorry Pengu, HannahB. After reading all these things, that's what was on my mind, not that I would be against moving the discussion to another topic.

This is pretty much how I feel about it. I've made no secret about the fact that I absolutely despise organised religions, and yet the environment trumps all those concerns. It's kinda stupid to fight about who deserves freedom or authority in a building, when that same building is burning down around you.

That said, a good bit of this reaction we're seeing in people like Justinian is kinda the Democrats' fault. Of course, I annoyingly can't blame democracy for once, because America doesn't even have any.

the environment trumps all those concerns.

ayyy

(I'm sorry)

the environment trumps all those concerns.

ayyy

(I'm sorry)

I really wanted to point that out, but resisted the urge.  Glad someone else caught it.

Obama was the best President since Clinton.

Clinton was a corporate shill that deregulated telecommunications and created the massive media conglomerates we know today. Obama supported the fucking Muslim Brotherhood. What kind of fuckup would support the Muslim Brotherhood? We should be actively supressing and destroying politicized Islam all over the world, not supporting it! Thankfully we have been spared at least four years of future Democrap rule.

You're right, how dare he support the Democratically elected government of Egypt, America does not approve so fuck the people of Egypt and fuck the Democratic process, let's go in there and topple a government! Cause it's worked so well everytime America has meddled in other countries politics, just look at Iran.

Erdogan was democratically elected also, and now he is a dictator. Morsi would have done the exact same thing if given the chance. We must destroy islamism wherever it is no matter the circumstance. And we must annihilate the gulf states that support it. The middle east must be civilized if there is to be any peace. As for Iran, do you think Mosaddegh was some kind of lovely saint that was only doing what was best for his country and got put down by the evil British? Think again, he was a self-declared socialist and a tool for soviet control. Were he not deposed he would have turned Iran commie, and they'd be in the exact same position as they are today prosperity wise.

Who the fuck elected you to be the arbiter of the world? You and your mindset is everything wrong with America.

No, it's your peacenik mindset that will leave us all under an islamic caliphate, a fate worse than death really. Thankfully the world is beginning to wake up and turn against those who would destroy our civilization.

My family decided to celebrate Yule like the New York Jews. Chinese food. Lots and lots of Chinese food.

Have a good day, everyone! =D

>Implying there aren't any chinese christians

Where is the dislike button when you need it...
I would have used it quite a few times on your posts by now...