Pages: [1] 2 3

Closed Ballots Proposal
Posts: 39 Views: 4851

Arenado
  • Citizen
  • Some Random Guy
  • I think that incremental reform is necessary. If the Starting Reformation Act fails, and it looks like it will, we should start small. Starting with Closed Ballots. Now, I think closed ballots will remove some pressure from people who don't want their votes known. If you wish to announce your vote you may. But voting itself should be secret. I propose that the OH members become an election committee that will receive votes together via PM, to ensure no vote tampering. I suggest that we put it on a probationary period, if in the next election it works then we make it permanent .If you fail to share your opinion now please do not be surprised if I completely ignore you later. I will keep this open as long as I can.

    Your thoughts.
    I Hope You Have A Nice Day :]
    Arenado
    • Some Random Guy
    • Posts: 5,557
    • Karma: 2,209
    • Comfortably Numb
    • Citizen
    • Pronouns
      Any/All or They/Them
      Familial House
      Eske
      Wintreath Nation
      Logged
    Laurentus
  • Regional Stability Squad
  • Count of Highever
  • I'm taking a step back and not commenting on anything to do with legislative work until I can get my head screwed on straight again. Even though I agree with secret ballots as a matter of principle.
    In die donker ure skink net duiwels nog 'n dop, 
    Satan sit saam sy kinders en kyk hoe kom die son op. 
    • Count of Highever
    Laurentus
    • Posts: 8,755
    • Karma: 4,633
    • Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
    • Regional Stability Squad
    • Pronouns
      He/Him/His
      Familial House
      The Noble House of Valeria
      Wintreath Nation
      Logged
    Michi
  • Regional Stability Squad
  • Level 167 Caticorn God of Destruction
  • I can agree with this.  While I have some reservations, I'm very much more against people being hounded over the way they choose to vote...which secret ballots would abolish that.
    My Wintreath Resumé
    Michi
    • Level 167 Caticorn God of Destruction
    • Posts: 7,195
    • Karma: 4,052
    • Wintreath's Official Video Game Enthusiast
    • Regional Stability Squad
    • Pronouns
      Any except it/its
      Orientation
      Michisexual <3
      Familial House
      Valeria
      Wintreath Nation
      Logged
    Sapphiron
  • Regional Stability Squad
  • Scarlet Petal Floats
  • At the moment, I do believe Wintermoot is in charge of tabulating private votes, though if everyone else is going to vote privately then ...

    I don't find any issue with private voting since that way no one can be pinpointed for the success or failure of the passing of a particular bill. Being granted anonymity is a boon, and I don't really care if someone intends to use his/her vote (by announcing it publicly) to influence others into voting with him/her. That said, what you are suggesting is compulsory private voting, while allowing people to announce their votes right?
    Sapphiron
    • Scarlet Petal Floats
    • Posts: 5,238
    • Karma: 807
    • Audi alteram partem
    • Regional Stability Squad
    • Pronouns
      He/Him/His
      Familial House
      Valeria
      Wintreath Nation
      Logged
    Gerrick
  • Regional Stability Squad
  • I also approve of closed ballots. It would prevent bandwagons in voting for as well as not voting for certain people.

    I would think it'd just be easier for Wintermoot to receive all of the votes, though, as he already currently receives private votes, and it'd be more organized since all votes would go to only one rather than 4 people.

    And in agreement with Sapphiron, I'd be ok with people announcing their votes as it'd just be like endorsing a candidate.

    Duke of Wintreath and Count of Janth
    Patriarch of the Noble House of Burdock
    Curriculum Vitae
    Citizen: 15 November 2015 - present
    Recruitment Contest Winner: December 2015
    Recruitment Contest Winner: January 2016
    Secretary of the 14th Underhusen: 8 February 2016 - 8 April 2016
    RP Guild Councillor: 9 February 2016 - 24 February 2017
    Recruitment Contest Winner: April 2016
    Wintreath's Finest: April 2016
    Ambassador to Nesapo: 5 July 2016 - 13 March 2017
    Jarl of Culture: 30 November 2016 - 13 September 2019
    Wintreath's Finest: November 2016
    Wintreath's Finest: February 2017
    Count of Janth: 17 September 2017 - present
    Patriarch of the Noble House of Burdock: 17 September 2017 - present
    Recruitment Contest Winner: September 2017
    Duke of Wintreath: 13 September 2019 - present
    Wintreath's Finest: September 2019
    Skrifa of the 37th Underhusen: 8 December 2019 - 8 February 2020
    Wintreath's Finest of the Year: 2019
    Commendation of Wintreath: 27 June 2020
    Citizens' Council Member: 14 September 2020 - 8 March 2021
    Skrifa of the 43rd Underhusen: 9 December 2020 - 8 February 2021 🔥

    Alder of the Riksraad: 7 June 2021 - 17 June 2021
    Jarl of Culture: 17 June 2021 - 14 November 2021
    Alder of the Riksraad: 14 November 2021 - 1 March 2022
    Regional Stability Squad: 27 February 2023 - present
    Gerrick
    • Posts: 4,094
    • Karma: 3,256
    • Regional Stability Squad
    • Pronouns
      He/Him/His
      Orientation
      Bisexual
      Familial House
      Burdock
      Wintreath Nation
      Logged
    Barnes
  • Former Citizen
  • Wintrean Press Secretary
  • I specifically like the provision where the Overhusen becomes responsible for the election committee. It makes sense that we would need more than one person to be accountable; not that I don't trust @Wintermoot, but it seems a bit surprising for just a single person to report a vote count, hence multiple poll workers per precinct, at least in the United States. However, because of the trust we all have for him, it wouldn't be a bad thing if he still received all of the votes, which would be the more likely option to get this to pass.
    Barnes
    • Wintrean Press Secretary
    • Posts: 1,471
    • Karma: 684
    • credit to @DorkCollie
    • Former Citizen
    • Pronouns
      He/Him/His
      Familial House
      Meindhert
      Wintreath Nation
      Logged
    Laurentus
  • Regional Stability Squad
  • Count of Highever
  • Agreed with Sapph and Gerrick.
    In die donker ure skink net duiwels nog 'n dop, 
    Satan sit saam sy kinders en kyk hoe kom die son op. 
    • Count of Highever
    Laurentus
    • Posts: 8,755
    • Karma: 4,633
    • Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
    • Regional Stability Squad
    • Pronouns
      He/Him/His
      Familial House
      The Noble House of Valeria
      Wintreath Nation
      Logged
    Wintermoot
  • Regional Stability Squad
  • The Greyscale Magi-Monk
  • I'm not sure what this applies to...people can already vote privately in elections if they want to.
    1 person likes this post: Chanku


    I went all the way to Cassadega to commune with the dead
    They said "You'd better look alive"
    Wintermoot
    • The Greyscale Magi-Monk
    • Posts: 19,332
    • Karma: 9,613
    • Weather: ❄️
    • Regional Stability Squad
    • Pronouns
      He/Him/His
      Orientation
      Demisexual
      Wintreath Nation
      Logged
    Sapphiron
  • Regional Stability Squad
  • Scarlet Petal Floats
  • If I am reading the suggestion correctly, North intends to make private voting compulsory. At the moment, if everyone else is voting publicly and a couple vote privately, it's much easier to pinpoint those who voted privately and how they voted.
    2 people like this post: Barnes, Laurentus
    Sapphiron
    • Scarlet Petal Floats
    • Posts: 5,238
    • Karma: 807
    • Audi alteram partem
    • Regional Stability Squad
    • Pronouns
      He/Him/His
      Familial House
      Valeria
      Wintreath Nation
      Logged
    Barnes
  • Former Citizen
  • Wintrean Press Secretary
  • The proposal is to make it a mandatory private ballot. (Thanks Sapphiron for beating me by twenty-three seconds!)
    2 people like this post: Michi, Laurentus
    Barnes
    • Wintrean Press Secretary
    • Posts: 1,471
    • Karma: 684
    • credit to @DorkCollie
    • Former Citizen
    • Pronouns
      He/Him/His
      Familial House
      Meindhert
      Wintreath Nation
      Logged
    Joshua Bluteisen
  • Former Citizen
  • Evil Imperialist Overlord
  • I'm sorry, what? There's no real tangible benefit to this and it's rife for abuse.

    If you want to vote privately you already can; forcing a private ballot simply takes away an option and makes it less obvious when voting blocs and factionalism are in play.

    If anything, the ability to cast a private ballot should be taken away to force everything to be transparent.
    2 people like this post: Chanku, HannahB
    Vizier of the Osiris Fraternal Order
    Red Guard of the New Galactic Empire
    House Bluteisen -- Blood and Iron
    Axis of Evil on EsperNet & SwiftIRC || ygfbv on ColdFront
    <Zeorus> because we're not all smart like you, Axis
    <Zeorus> some of us have the privilege of being dumb ;_;
    Current NS positions and honours
    Patriarch of House Bluteisen
    Owner of the New Galactic Empire forum
    Osiran Atef
    Pharaoh-Emeritus of the Osiris Fraternal Order
    Legionnaire of the Sekhmet Legion (Inactive due to WA immobility)
    Red Guard of the New Galactic Empire
    Holder of the Scale of Ma'at
    Holder of the Seal of Vigilance
    Former NS positions
    Medjai Guardsman
    Vizier of the Osiris Fraternal Order
    Marshal General of the Sekhmet Legion
    Admin of the Osiris Fraternal Order
    Sepatarch of the 7th Sepatarchy of the Kemetic Republic of Osiris
    Acting-Pharaoh of the Osiris Fraternal Order
    Joshua Bluteisen
    • Evil Imperialist Overlord
    • Posts: 236
    • Karma: 57
    • Former Citizen
    • Pronouns
      He/Him/His
      Familial House
      Bluteisen
      Wintreath Nation
      Logged
    Arenado
  • Citizen
  • Some Random Guy
  • At the moment, I do believe Wintermoot is in charge of tabulating private votes, though if everyone else is going to vote privately then ...

    I don't find any issue with private voting since that way no one can be pinpointed for the success or failure of the passing of a particular bill. Being granted anonymity is a boon, and I don't really care if someone intends to use his/her vote (by announcing it publicly) to influence others into voting with him/her. That said, what you are suggesting is compulsory private voting, while allowing people to announce their votes right?

    Yes.
    I Hope You Have A Nice Day :]
    Arenado
    • Some Random Guy
    • Posts: 5,557
    • Karma: 2,209
    • Comfortably Numb
    • Citizen
    • Pronouns
      Any/All or They/Them
      Familial House
      Eske
      Wintreath Nation
      Logged
    Wintermoot
  • Regional Stability Squad
  • The Greyscale Magi-Monk
  • Maybe I'm just not getting it, but I've read the topic a few times and I don't understand what problem this is supposed to solve. I doubt it would change the fact that popularity plays into elections, and while there's a decent chance to at least guess some of the people voting privately, I thought the real issue is that people still wouldn't know how they voted. And has anyone really been hounded over choosing to vote privately?

    1 person likes this post: Chanku


    I went all the way to Cassadega to commune with the dead
    They said "You'd better look alive"
    Wintermoot
    • The Greyscale Magi-Monk
    • Posts: 19,332
    • Karma: 9,613
    • Weather: ❄️
    • Regional Stability Squad
    • Pronouns
      He/Him/His
      Orientation
      Demisexual
      Wintreath Nation
      Logged
    Arenado
  • Citizen
  • Some Random Guy
  • I'm sorry, what? There's no real tangible benefit to this and it's rife for abuse.

    If you want to vote privately you already can; forcing a private ballot simply takes away an option and makes it less obvious when voting blocs and factionalism are in play.

    If anything, the ability to cast a private ballot should be taken away to force everything to be transparent.

    I disagree and would like to test my hypothesis.
    I Hope You Have A Nice Day :]
    Arenado
    • Some Random Guy
    • Posts: 5,557
    • Karma: 2,209
    • Comfortably Numb
    • Citizen
    • Pronouns
      Any/All or They/Them
      Familial House
      Eske
      Wintreath Nation
      Logged
    Arenado
  • Citizen
  • Some Random Guy
  • Maybe I'm just not getting it, but I've read the topic a few times and I don't understand what problem this is supposed to solve. I doubt it would change the fact that popularity plays into elections, and while there's a decent chance to at least guess some of the people voting privately, I thought the real issue is that people still wouldn't know how they voted. And has anyone really been hounded over choosing to vote privately?

    It's a small step. I want to see how voting is effected, I believe that there would be a change.
    I Hope You Have A Nice Day :]
    Arenado
    • Some Random Guy
    • Posts: 5,557
    • Karma: 2,209
    • Comfortably Numb
    • Citizen
    • Pronouns
      Any/All or They/Them
      Familial House
      Eske
      Wintreath Nation
      Logged
     
    Pages: [1] 2 3