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Repeal of the Anti-NPO/NLO Act
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Laurentus
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  • Since it is the UH's job to get this done, I guess I'll mention them all here...

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    Here is some context.

    http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=2220.0

    Here is some more context, for those as context obsessed as I am.

    http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=2294.0
    In die donker ure skink net duiwels nog 'n dop, 
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  • Forgive me for asking, but has the Pacific gotten better recently?  They get a new premier recently, right?
    « Last Edit: November 28, 2015, 10:37:27 PM by BraveSirRobin »
    Sir Robin of Camelot

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    (I stole this format from tau, but who am I not to copy a great system? :-) )

    Ne Crustumini quidem atque Antemnates pro ardore iraque Caeninensium satis se impigre movent; ita per se ipsum nomen Caeninum in agrum Romanum impetum facit. Sed effuse vastantibus fit obvius cum exercitu Romulus levique certamine docet vanam sine viribus iram esse.
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    Laurentus
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  • I think the issue here is his citizenship in the Pacific.
    In die donker ure skink net duiwels nog 'n dop, 
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  • Corrected it. 
    Sir Robin of Camelot

    "Whilst the men of Caenia were scattered far and wide, pillaging and destroying, Romulus came upon them with an army, and after a brief encounter taught them that anger is futile without strength."  -Titus Livius, Ab Urbe Condita

    (Ravenclaw is the best!)

    Résumé/A History of Robin on NationStates
    Wintreath:
    Citizen: 4 June 2015 - present
    Member of the Hvitt Riddaral: 21 August 2015 - present
    Strifa of the 12th Underhusen: 8 October 2015 - 13 December 2015
    Speaker Pro Tem of the 13th Underhusen: 13 December 2015 - 8 February 2016
    Speaker Pro Tem of the 14th Underhusen: 8 February 2016 - 8 April 2016
    Speaker of the 16th Underhusen: 10 June 2016 - 11 August 2016
    Ambassador to Europeia: 5 December 2016 - present
    RP Guild Councillor: 23 February 2017 - present
    Ambassador to The North Pacific: 11 March 2017 - present
    Speaker of the 21st Underhusen: 10 April 2017 - 10 June 2017
    Delegate of Wintreath: 10 June 2017 - 15 March 2020
    Strifa of the 23rd Underhusen: 10 August 2017 - 10 November 2017
    Thane of Ambassadors: 10 October 2018 - 10 December 2018
    Commendation of Wintreath: Sept 24 2020

    New Hyperion:
    Citizen: 27 November 2015 - present
    Patrician: 12 January 2016 - present
    Lord of Development: 5 February 2016 - present


    (I stole this format from tau, but who am I not to copy a great system? :-) )

    Ne Crustumini quidem atque Antemnates pro ardore iraque Caeninensium satis se impigre movent; ita per se ipsum nomen Caeninum in agrum Romanum impetum facit. Sed effuse vastantibus fit obvius cum exercitu Romulus levique certamine docet vanam sine viribus iram esse.
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    Wintermoot
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  • I've split the topic off from Brodding Empire's Citizenship application, since this is a more appropriate area for a debate. If you guys would like him to participate in the debate, and he would be ok with that, I'm sure we can make arrangements for him to post here.

    Forgive me for asking, but has the Pacific gotten better recently?  They get a new premier recently, right?
    Krulltopic did step down after the events in Lazarus, and Pierconium became Emperor, although Krulltopia still sits on the NPO Senate. Pierconium issued this statement apologizing for the events in Lazarus and some other things, and has been attempting to reestablish relations with the GCRs that cut relations over those events. Some don't believe that these efforts are sincere, but that is something I can't personally speak to.


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    Reon
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  • I was super against this act when it first went through so I'm super for repealing it...
    Face the facts of being what you are, for that is what changes what you are.
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    Laurentus
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  • I remember raising valid concerns about it as a smokescreen so that it couldn't pass and interfere with my actual reason for being against it: that it would make espionage on the NPO/NLO impossible, which really went against my whole plan of getting a double agent in there to destroy the organisation from the inside.

    Which ironically is exactly what ended up happening. :P

    But yeah, it's outlived its usefulness.

    How do we go about taking it down?
    In die donker ure skink net duiwels nog 'n dop, 
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    Chanku
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  • I'm am opposed to taking it down. For as long as Krull is in the NPO I do not believe they can be trusted. The NPO has tried several things like this before and we should not let them simply get away with it.
    See you later space cowboy.
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  • The crisis is over. This guy can't gain citizenship now, despite openly admitting having citizenship in the Pacific.

    What real purpose does this serve outside of moral support to a region that is no longer under occupation?
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  • Personally I feel that the Act was useful at the time...nobody can say that we didn't do our utmost to defend the integrity and sovereignty of our treaty allies. However, the invasion was repelled, the treaty is no longer in effect, and we have more stringent measures in place than the Humane Republic of Lazarus itself does, which is actually still in the process of attempting to prosecute Stujenske, Feux, Pergamon, Milograd, and A Mean Old Man.

    I'm not sure what purpose the measure has now, and to be honest I've considered proposing a repeal for the last few weeks.



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    BraveSirRobin
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  • I'd be in favour of the repeal, as NPO hasn't done much recently that's completely horrible (to my knowledge).  Plus, the person seems to have citizenship in lots of regions, and it doesn't look like NPO his primary citizenship, anyway.  All we're doing with this is not accepting somebody, and accepting people is what we're all about here, right?  :)
    Sir Robin of Camelot

    "Whilst the men of Caenia were scattered far and wide, pillaging and destroying, Romulus came upon them with an army, and after a brief encounter taught them that anger is futile without strength."  -Titus Livius, Ab Urbe Condita

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    Résumé/A History of Robin on NationStates
    Wintreath:
    Citizen: 4 June 2015 - present
    Member of the Hvitt Riddaral: 21 August 2015 - present
    Strifa of the 12th Underhusen: 8 October 2015 - 13 December 2015
    Speaker Pro Tem of the 13th Underhusen: 13 December 2015 - 8 February 2016
    Speaker Pro Tem of the 14th Underhusen: 8 February 2016 - 8 April 2016
    Speaker of the 16th Underhusen: 10 June 2016 - 11 August 2016
    Ambassador to Europeia: 5 December 2016 - present
    RP Guild Councillor: 23 February 2017 - present
    Ambassador to The North Pacific: 11 March 2017 - present
    Speaker of the 21st Underhusen: 10 April 2017 - 10 June 2017
    Delegate of Wintreath: 10 June 2017 - 15 March 2020
    Strifa of the 23rd Underhusen: 10 August 2017 - 10 November 2017
    Thane of Ambassadors: 10 October 2018 - 10 December 2018
    Commendation of Wintreath: Sept 24 2020

    New Hyperion:
    Citizen: 27 November 2015 - present
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    (I stole this format from tau, but who am I not to copy a great system? :-) )

    Ne Crustumini quidem atque Antemnates pro ardore iraque Caeninensium satis se impigre movent; ita per se ipsum nomen Caeninum in agrum Romanum impetum facit. Sed effuse vastantibus fit obvius cum exercitu Romulus levique certamine docet vanam sine viribus iram esse.
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    Laurentus
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  • That's what I thought too, until the law came into effect. :P

    I remember thinking at the time: "Man, for a region so tired of gameplay crises, these people really get passionate about gameplay crises." :P
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  • I am still against this.
    See you later space cowboy.
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  • I don't think we were passionate about gameplay crises...we were passionate about supporting our allies, as well we should be. :P


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    Laurentus
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  • Yeah, we'll probably never agree on that whole affair. :P
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