Post by: Violet on October 07, 2017, 10:47:16 PM
You play as the government and citizens of either a country that didn't fall from the plague, or has emerged from the horrors of the outbreak. It is not the post-catastrophe world envisioned by fiction, with biker warlords, little to no technology, and eternal devastation. By 2033, the world has already recovered significantly from the plague. People can access the internet, drive cars, use smart phones, etc. In some places, it's almost uncannily normal, albeit more as close to normal as such a place can get. However, much of the world is still in anarchy. The world economy is still in shambles. And the people have a long way from recovering from all the trauma they experienced during the plague.
People would like to move on and live normally. As one of the governments of this new and dangerous world, it's what you need to strive for, while accomodating for the harsh realities of the chaos and poverty the plague has brought.
Map (https://i.imgur.com/FgZIpgE.png)
Rules
- Basic RP rules apply
- Unclaimed territory aren't deserts. People still live there. The Russian military can't rush to annex Korea, and then have the entire population of Korea peacefully submit to Russian rule.
- Territorial annexation should be 1) realistic 2) have a purpose (ie oil supplies) and 3) realistically handle how the country being annexed would react to annexation in this setting
- Your government has limited resources. Your military can't be jumping around annexing country to country, unless you want your country to be drained dry of all oil supplies in a month. Your government has finite numbers of food, electricity, oil, etc. Use them wisely.
- As I said, unclaimed territories aren't deserts. Be mindful of that when considering plopping the entire Ukrainian military to Belarus while millions of Romanians, Russians and Turks are just a quick drive or boatride away from your settlements.
- Claim realistic. There is no land area or population limit, just be modest and practical in your claims. A country claiming Argentina is acceptable since Argentina is a big but sparsely populated place. But another country claiming the same land area on the US eastern seaboard is unacceptable as it is much more populous. A country claiming southern China with a pop of 300 million is alright as southern China is a very densely populated region but spread over a fairly small area, but claiming all of America isn't, as it's the same population but spread over a very, very large area.
- No nukes or similarly devastating weapons.
Post by: Cinciri on October 07, 2017, 11:11:15 PM
Post by: Violet on October 07, 2017, 11:43:06 PM
Ohhhhh I like, is this with IRL nations?It's based on IRL. You can choose to do a RL country, RL region, territory of a RL ethnic group, etc. But yeah. I'm personally planning on picking Canada, InshAllah.
Post by: Cinciri on October 08, 2017, 12:18:38 AM
Post by: Violet on October 08, 2017, 01:27:39 AM
Can I make my claim then? If I can I would like to claim Russia please =)Hmmm, I'm a bit hesitant to give you that much land and population. You can, but only if yourgovernment only effectively controls Siberia, southern russia and the Volga Federal District (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_Federal_District). The rest of Russia is just kind of in chaos in some form or another (I'm not sure what castrophe we're exactly recovering from yet)
Post by: Ashton Mercer on October 08, 2017, 02:22:49 AM
American Great Lakes Megalopolis region pls.
Post by: Laurentus on October 08, 2017, 02:38:45 AM
Post by: Violet on October 08, 2017, 03:53:50 AM
Count me in, with South Africa. Better to stick to what I know.Aw yeah! There was a very severe defecit of African countries in nation RPs back at Ainur.
YuhNoted. But do know that I've claimed all of Canada
American Great Lakes Megalopolis region pls.
Post by: taulover on October 08, 2017, 04:09:34 AM
Noted. But do know that I've claimed all of CanadaThat's a lot of land too...Make Canada great again eh
Post by: Ashton Mercer on October 08, 2017, 04:11:44 AM
Noted. But do know that I've claimed all of Canadaincluding le Québec libre?Make Canada great again eh
Post by: Violet on October 08, 2017, 04:20:37 AM
Interesting. Reminds me of the 1983: Doomsday (http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/1983:_Doomsday) timeline.I mean, Nunavut alone makes up 20% of Canada's land area and it has about the population of what would be considered a small town in America. All of Northern Canada is over 3.5 million square kilometers, yet has just under 115,000 inhabitants combined.Noted. But do know that I've claimed all of CanadaThat's a lot of land too...Make Canada great again eh
Meanwhile, further down south you've got Northern Ontario which only has 730,000 inhabitants, and btw this is what's considered to be "Northern Ontario":
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Map_of_Ontario_NORTHERN.svg/500px-Map_of_Ontario_NORTHERN.svg.png)
I said in the rules that if somebody claimed all of Argentina, that'd be okay because while it's a big country, it's also very empty. Same rule applies to Canada. It's huge, yeah, but the vast majority of it is just extremely scarcely populated plains, tundra and woodland that's never going to be truly separated from the southern regions of the canada where 80% of the country actually lives.
Especially Quebec. Although it's probably earned autonomous status now. But then again, who's gonna want a free Quebec when America is a dumpster fire just ready to spread north if the north's weak enough?Noted. But do know that I've claimed all of Canadaincluding le Québec libre?Make Canada great again eh
Also btw, Canada is gonna want a stable government in Midwest. That means oil exports.
Post by: taulover on October 08, 2017, 05:55:35 AM
Wouldn't populations be small everywhere post-catastrophe though? But I guess they'd still be lower in previously lowly populated areas.Interesting. Reminds me of the 1983: Doomsday (http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/1983:_Doomsday) timeline.I mean, Nunavut alone makes up 20% of Canada's land area and it has about the population of what would be considered a small town in America. All of Northern Canada is over 3.5 million square kilometers, yet has just under 115,000 inhabitants combined.Noted. But do know that I've claimed all of CanadaThat's a lot of land too...Make Canada great again eh
Meanwhile, further down south you've got Northern Ontario which only has 730,000 inhabitants, and btw this is what's considered to be "Northern Ontario":
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Map_of_Ontario_NORTHERN.svg/500px-Map_of_Ontario_NORTHERN.svg.png)
I said in the rules that if somebody claimed all of Argentina, that'd be okay because while it's a big country, it's also very empty. Same rule applies to Canada. It's huge, yeah, but the vast majority of it is just extremely scarcely populated plains, tundra and woodland that's never going to be truly separated from the southern regions of the canada where 80% of the country actually lives.
Though depending on the nature of the catastrophe, the smaller population over large land area could be easier or harder to maintain control of...
Post by: Laurentus on October 08, 2017, 06:09:36 AM
Post by: Violet on October 08, 2017, 06:25:47 AM
In 2014, a mysterious ancient virus is found by paleontologists in Utah and one of them takes it to New York. The Virus, known as the East Coast Plague, is a particularly sinister virus in that it's early onset symptoms are near identical to the flu. However, it's a temporary state that lasts for about 5 months before the vrus starts attacking the hosts brain, initially presenting itself in a hypomanic episode that most often actually feels like a high, until the virus begins to mature and attack the brain in a more brutal manner, escalating the mental effects into a full stage manic episode with severe delusional thoughts, paranoia, irritability and hyperactivity.
Physically, the virus causes multiple lesions that slowly grow in size and eventually develop into gangrene. Influenza like symptoms continue throughout the duration of the plague and intensify in severity as it gets worse. The disease is primarily spread through coughing.
ECP spreads quickly in New York and through New York is taken to around the world. A year later, doctors begin to notice a peculiar epidemic of people being diagnosed with an aggressive and seemingly incurable influenza and then diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder not long later. ECP is discovered and a pandemic is declared. Patients with advanced ECP are shown to be severely mentally deranged and refusing of medical help or living under qurantine, resulting in numerous ECP patients not submitting themselves to diagnosis or breaking out of containment. By 2016, ECP is declared a global health crisis with over 50,000,000 diagnosed and millions believed to be hiding it from medical practicioners. By 2017, the number of diagnosed reaches to 400,000,000 with an estimated 160,000,000 undiagnosed. Also in 2017, thousands of the earliest victims are confirmed dead due to ECP and public hysteria ensues as the death toll steadily races to 100,000 by the end of the year.
By 2018, states of emergency are declare across the world with the US, Canada, and Western Europe hit particularly hard. Riots broke out in cities with high infection rates due to ECP patients revolting treatment and paranoia of uninfected people that ECP sufferers could be lurking the streets at any time. NYC metro falls under martial law as the death toll climbs to over 5,000,000 and the world economy hits a severe recession.
2019 sees a massive spike in ECP related deaths. The world economy collapses, riots are felt around the globe. Most major cities are now under severe marital law and most countries in general have become more militarized as many uninfected citizens urge governments to utilize force against ECP patients. By 2020, the death toll now stands at over 26,000,000. An estimated 2.7 billion are now infected.
In the early 2020s, some governments allow "restless" ECP patients to be euthanized following strong public demands, driving the death toll significantly. Cure research meanwhile sees significant progress, but by 2024, the death toll has reached to over 230,000,000. It would only be by 2028 that a cure would be reached and by then the death toll was over 400,000,000, and millions wouldn't stop dying of ECP yearly until the early 2030s, which at that point the death toll had risen to over 600,000,000.
The RP starts at 2033. The plague is finally starting to be reversed, but the world has already been destroyed. Because of the nature of ECP, there are still millions of sufferers keeping the plague alive by their insistence, though most people are aware of the symptoms now and shoot to kill. It is speculated that some sufferers have developed an immunity to some of the more advanced symptoms of ECP, becoming almost zombie like madmen roaming the depopulated East Coast. But those are just rumors. Only a handful of pre-outbreak governments have survived. The rest are in various stages of disorder.
The population has been severely traumatized by ECP and the chaos that followed. Most would wish to simply try to rebuild society as it was prior, and governments are more than happy to accomodate that, but getting rid of nearly 20 years of disorder and trauma isn't so simple.
Wouldn't populations be small everywhere post-catastrophe though? But I guess they'd still be lower in previously lowly populated areas.There's a ton of variables that would exist for that. A large but scarce nation would need more oil to move its supplies across long distances, and it'd also need more stable and reliable pre-catastrophe political infrastructure. But those viarables are too complex for a simple region RP that's probably not gonna stray beyond ten players anyway.
Though depending on the nature of the catastrophe, the smaller population over large land area could be easier or harder to maintain control of...
Post by: Arenado on October 08, 2017, 08:48:44 AM
Post by: Ashton Mercer on October 08, 2017, 05:47:27 PM
Post by: Violet on October 08, 2017, 11:40:17 PM
Looks good. When can we expect a proper sign-up and IC?Nation name:
Population:
Claims
Military forces (include civilian militias/paramilitaries)
Government:
Economic system (free market , planned, command, etc.):
Resources in surplus (resources your country has more than it needs):
Resources in scarcity (resources your country desperately needs but doesn't have enough of):
History:
Mine:
Nation name: Republic of Canada
Population: 21 million (de jure), 23 million (client states included)
Claim: Canada, St. Pierre and Miquelon, Greenland (official). Canada also has de facto control over Alaska, Maine, and Iceland
Military force: 225,000 professional, 3.5 million civilian paramilitary, 50,000 client state forces
Government: federal parliamentary democracy
Economic system: Command economy
Resources in surplus: Oil, natural gas, uranium, timber, among many others
Resources in scarcity: Consumer goods, automobiles, various machines and tools that used to be imported from the US and the EU. A small scale famine is felt nationwide
History: Canada is believed to have been the second country where the outbreak occurred. Canadian medical researchers uncovered three dead bodies in Montreal that confirmed that they experienced direct contact with Patient Zero during a vacation in New York. Thus, when the plague was discovered in 2015, over 3 million people were already suffering the plague.
In 2016, struggling with skyrocketing infection rates in Toronto and Montreal, the Canadian government instituted the ECP Patient Quarantine Act, forcing many of those diagnosed with ECP to be uprooted from their homes and sent to camps up north where many ECP patients died of illnesses completely unrelated to ECP. Canada's major cities fell under military occupation with highly tightened movement and 8 PM - 6 AM curfews. Vigilantes roamed the streets, sometimes with help from the police and military, finding and killing those they suspected of carrying the plague.
Paranoia reached it's peak with 2017, when it was confined in March that 70 sufferers of the plague had died in the US due to the illness. Extra judicial violence against ECP sufferers became commonplace while hundreds of thousands were hastily deported to quarantine camps that could only house thousands at most. Economic problems severely worsened when riots in major cities became a weekly occurrence, and many Canadians simply refused to leave their homes for work out of fear of ECP.
By 2018, the Canadian government legalized killing ECP patients, while also slowly transitioning to full scale martial law, starting the Dark Years. The Canadian economy had collapsed, angry mobs would drag entire families suffering ECP from their homes and burn them alive, the quarantine camps were universally recognized as just death camps, HAZMAT teams randomly murdered potential ECP patients when visiting them for diagnosis.
The US had collapsed into chaos by 2022, along with most of Western Europe but Canada remained intact, albeit as a police state. It's abundance in natural resources gave it an advantage when self sufficiency was necessary to survive. At that point, ECP sufferers would neither seek medical help nor try to hide their ailment, but would squat in abandoned neighborhoods, waiting for the plague to eventually kill them. The state of Alaska survived the collapse of America and asked Canada to send in food and protection in exchange for natural resources, which they obliged. St. Pierre and Miquelon and Greenland made similar agreements, resulting in annexation. In 2025, Canadian troops launched a campaign to conquer Maine and Iceland when both places became severe piracy hubs. Infection rates died down by 2026, and with that society very, very slowly started to return to normal. The police state was eventually dismantled in 2028. Canada was also one of the first countries to obtain and administer the cure for ECP, but nearly 15 million had already died.
Post by: Crushita on October 08, 2017, 11:45:37 PM
Hey don't you go insulting Northern Ontario! I'm from there! Its very relevant and powerful!Interesting. Reminds me of the 1983: Doomsday (http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/1983:_Doomsday) timeline.I mean, Nunavut alone makes up 20% of Canada's land area and it has about the population of what would be considered a small town in America. All of Northern Canada is over 3.5 million square kilometers, yet has just under 115,000 inhabitants combined.Noted. But do know that I've claimed all of CanadaThat's a lot of land too...Make Canada great again eh
Meanwhile, further down south you've got Northern Ontario which only has 730,000 inhabitants, and btw this is what's considered to be "Northern Ontario":
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Map_of_Ontario_NORTHERN.svg/500px-Map_of_Ontario_NORTHERN.svg.png)
I said in the rules that if somebody claimed all of Argentina, that'd be okay because while it's a big country, it's also very empty. Same rule applies to Canada. It's huge, yeah, but the vast majority of it is just extremely scarcely populated plains, tundra and woodland that's never going to be truly separated from the southern regions of the canada where 80% of the country actually lives.Especially Quebec. Although it's probably earned autonomous status now. But then again, who's gonna want a free Quebec when America is a dumpster fire just ready to spread north if the north's weak enough?Noted. But do know that I've claimed all of Canadaincluding le Québec libre?Make Canada great again eh
Also btw, Canada is gonna want a stable government in Midwest. That means oil exports.
Okay it is pretty terrible.
Post by: Violet on October 08, 2017, 11:58:02 PM
Aw man, I forgot you're from there. I actually know a guy from North Ontario and he informed me on how bad it is:Hey don't you go insulting Northern Ontario! I'm from there! Its very relevant and powerful!Interesting. Reminds me of the 1983: Doomsday (http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/1983:_Doomsday) timeline.I mean, Nunavut alone makes up 20% of Canada's land area and it has about the population of what would be considered a small town in America. All of Northern Canada is over 3.5 million square kilometers, yet has just under 115,000 inhabitants combined.Noted. But do know that I've claimed all of CanadaThat's a lot of land too...Make Canada great again eh
Meanwhile, further down south you've got Northern Ontario which only has 730,000 inhabitants, and btw this is what's considered to be "Northern Ontario":
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Map_of_Ontario_NORTHERN.svg/500px-Map_of_Ontario_NORTHERN.svg.png)
I said in the rules that if somebody claimed all of Argentina, that'd be okay because while it's a big country, it's also very empty. Same rule applies to Canada. It's huge, yeah, but the vast majority of it is just extremely scarcely populated plains, tundra and woodland that's never going to be truly separated from the southern regions of the canada where 80% of the country actually lives.Especially Quebec. Although it's probably earned autonomous status now. But then again, who's gonna want a free Quebec when America is a dumpster fire just ready to spread north if the north's weak enough?Noted. But do know that I've claimed all of Canadaincluding le Québec libre?Make Canada great again eh
Also btw, Canada is gonna want a stable government in Midwest. That means oil exports.
Okay it is pretty terrible.
Post by: Commander_Zemas on October 09, 2017, 12:24:40 AM
Can I make my claim then? If I can I would like to claim Russia please =)
Since I was interested in a Russian claim, can I be Vladivostok + Transamur? :P
Post by: Violet on October 09, 2017, 02:35:38 AM
I'm not at all unopposed. I actually really like the idea.Can I make my claim then? If I can I would like to claim Russia please =)
Since I was interested in a Russian claim, can I be Vladivostok + Transamur? :P
@Cinciri thoughts?
Post by: Laurentus on October 09, 2017, 02:58:47 AM
Post by: Violet on October 09, 2017, 05:32:13 AM
Do we derive this from real history?Yeah. Aside from the plague and related events, everything's assumed to have gone down as it did IRL
Post by: Ashton Mercer on October 09, 2017, 05:48:47 AM
Population: Approx. 35 million.
Flag
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/5f5b/th/pre/f/2016/020/5/0/great_lakes_federation_by_deviantsock-d9oqb86.png)
Claims: Claims jurisdiction in all US states that border one of the Great Lakes. Has a secure grasp on all of Michigan, Chicago and the surrounding area including lakeside Indiana and Iowa, Milwaukee and the entire eastern half of Wisconsin, Minneapolis and eastern Minnesota, northern Ohio including Cleveland and Toledo ending at about Akron. Tenuous or sporadic grasp in Columbus, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, and lakeside New York at Buffalo and Rochester. Influence has spread as far south as Cincinnati, as far east as Syracuse, as far west as St. Louis, and as far north as Fargo.
Military forces (include civilian militias/paramilitaries): 400,000 Peacemakers and Coast Guard, 2.1 million with police and recognized militias.
Government: A confederacy led by a unicameral democratic legislature, called the Union Arbitration Council, superseding a fluid “Commission” departmental system which contains elements of stratocratic, technocratic, and plutocratic control, depending on the Commission. State and local city governments still exist largely unchanged where it is at all possible, with many local state agencies absorbed by various Commissions.
Economic system: State capitalism.
+Resources in surplus (resources your country has more than it needs): Agricultural and food products, as well as fresh water and related maritime resources, are in abundance. The area was a major industrial hub prior to the collapse of the United States, and many factories for simple metal products, electronics, and automotive equipment remain active or easily usable. Chemical resources are also in large supply.
-Resources in scarcity (resources your country desperately needs but doesn't have enough of): Petroleum and supplies of natural gas are in near constant shortage, along with select ore and mineral resources that are rare in the region. Electricity demands are rarely met in all areas of ALU, leading to regular blackouts in the major urban areas of Chicago, Cleveland, and Detroit. Inroads are being made into Ohio to gain better connections to the region’s extensive aerospace industry.
History: TBW
Post by: Violet on October 09, 2017, 08:07:52 AM
Nation name: American Lakes UnionAccepted
Population: Approx. 35 million.
Claims: Claims jurisdiction in all US states that border one of the Great Lakes. Has a secure grasp on all of Michigan, Chicago and the surrounding area including lakeside Indiana and Iowa, Milwaukee and the entire eastern half of Wisconsin, Minneapolis and eastern Minnesota, northern Ohio including Cleveland and Toledo ending at about Akron. Tenuous or sporadic grasp in Columbus, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, and lakeside New York at Buffalo and Rochester. Influence has spread as far south as Cincinnati, as far east as Syracuse, as far west as St. Louis, and as far north as Fargo.
Military forces (include civilian militias/paramilitaries): 400,000 Peacemakers and Water Guard, 2.1 million with police and recognized militias.
Government: A confederacy led by a unicameral democratic legislature, called the Union Arbitration Council, superseding a fluid “Commission” departmental system which contains elements of stratocratic, technocratic, and plutocratic control, depending on the Commission. State and local city governments still exist largely unchanged where it is at all possible, with many local state agencies absorbed by various Commissions.
Economic system: State capitalism.
+Resources in surplus (resources your country has more than it needs): Agricultural and food products, as well as fresh water and related maritime resources, are in abundance. The area was a major industrial hub prior to the collapse of the United States, and many factories for simple metal products, electronics, and automotive equipment remain active or easily usable. Chemical resources are also in large supply.
-Resources in scarcity (resources your country desperately needs but doesn't have enough of): Petroleum and supplies of natural gas are in near constant shortage, along with select ore and mineral resources that are rare in the region. Electricity demands are rarely met in all areas of ALU, leading to regular blackouts in the major urban areas of Chicago, Cleveland, and Detroit. Inroads are being made into Ohio to gain better connections to the region’s extensive aerospace industry.
History: TBW
Post by: Cinciri on October 09, 2017, 03:16:57 PM
You don't need to send me a definition of the federal districts, I happen to be from there XD I just wanted Volgograd in my control really, I'll make my claim later but I actually only want the Volga Federal regionCan I make my claim then? If I can I would like to claim Russia please =)Hmmm, I'm a bit hesitant to give you that much land and population. You can, but only if yourgovernment only effectively controls Siberia, southern russia and the Volga Federal District (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_Federal_District). The rest of Russia is just kind of in chaos in some form or another (I'm not sure what castrophe we're exactly recovering from yet)
Post by: Violet on October 09, 2017, 07:07:43 PM
Oh, haha. Didn't know. No problem.You don't need to send me a definition of the federal districts, I happen to be from there XD I just wanted Volgograd in my control really, I'll make my claim later but I actually only want the Volga Federal regionCan I make my claim then? If I can I would like to claim Russia please =)Hmmm, I'm a bit hesitant to give you that much land and population. You can, but only if yourgovernment only effectively controls Siberia, southern russia and the Volga Federal District (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_Federal_District). The rest of Russia is just kind of in chaos in some form or another (I'm not sure what castrophe we're exactly recovering from yet)
Post by: Cinciri on October 09, 2017, 08:14:13 PM
Population: 28 mil
Claims: Volga Federal District, Ural Federal district
Military forces Standard Military forces (Army, Navy, Air force) 280 000 (due to martial law, many volunteered to be military as to protect their families more) Cossack militias: 304,000, Civilian militias, 40,000
Government: Democratic Dictatorship (they voted, but only once)
Economic system: Mixed Economy
Resources in surplus: Natural gas, Wood, military equipment
Resources in scarcity: Produce, medicinal materials, raw animal based materials (Wool, leather, etc.)
History: A heavily militarized area, the areas of the Volga and Ural Federal districts of Russia broke away from the government of standard Russia once the country essentially collapsed. The virus hit the region hard, eliminating much of the population in the Ural region, due to very limited medical personnel in the area. The result became that the Ural Region blended with the slightly more lucky Volga region, becoming the Volga Federation. The city of Volgograd was appropriately named as the capital, and a government was quickly put in place. The government, though elected, was understood that a firm hand would be required to properly maintain security and order. Thus it became a dictatorship with somewhat of martial law.
Please let me know if any of these stats are overbearing, I decided to counter the population problem that would have happened by explaining a large death rate in one of the regions.
Post by: Violet on October 09, 2017, 09:46:04 PM
Nation name: Volga FederationThe professional forces are way too high. Remember, you're trying to rebuild. You want as much of your population as possible out in the workforce. Just make it 1% of your population
Population: 28 mil
Claims: Volga Federal District, Ural Federal district
Military forces Standard Military forces (Army, Navy, Air force) 10 mil (due to martial law, many volunteered to be military as to protect their families more) Cossack militias: 304,000, Civilian militias, 40,000
Government: Democratic Dictatorship (they voted, but only once)
Economic system: Mixed Economy
Resources in surplus: Natural gas, Wood, military equipment
Resources in scarcity: Produce, medicinal materials, raw animal based materials (Wool, leather, etc.)
History: A heavily militarized area, the areas of the Volga and Ural Federal districts of Russia broke away from the government of standard Russia once the country essentially collapsed. The virus hit the region hard, eliminating much of the population in the Ural region, due to very limited medical personnel in the area. The result became that the Ural Region blended with the slightly more lucky Volga region, becoming the Volga Federation. The city of Volgograd was appropriately named as the capital, and a government was quickly put in place. The government, though elected, was understood that a firm hand would be required to properly maintain security and order. Thus it became a dictatorship with somewhat of martial law.
Please let me know if any of these stats are overbearing, I decided to counter the population problem that would have happened by explaining a large death rate in one of the regions.
Post by: Commander_Zemas on October 10, 2017, 10:45:48 PM
Formally - Transamur Republic
Also sometimes referred to as the Far East Republic
Population: 15,874,130
Claims: Far East Federal District of Russia, Zabaykalsky Krai, Republic of Buryatia, Irkutsk Oblast, Kuril Islands(Very low Effective Control)
Transamur
(https://i.imgur.com/Sj8CC4r.png)
Key:
Dark Red - Effective Control (To Various Degrees)
Light Red - Nominal Control
Key:
Dark Red - Effective Control (To Various Degrees)
Light Red - Nominal Control
Military forces:
54 Warships
36 Submarines
16,000 Naval Infantry (Elite Amphibious Units, including 1,000 commandos.)
100,000 Sailors (Active and Reserve)
250,000 Soldiers
800,000 Civilian Corps (Government conscripted soldiers, whose purpose is not to fight, but to build government-mandated projects. However, they are handed rifles and ammunition in case of emergency. These civilians are not on duty 24/7 but are called whenever the government requires.
Government: Transamur is an Autocratic Republic which holds Duma elections every 4 years.
Head of State - Grand Admiral Sergei Avakyants
Head of Government - Prime Minister Germogen Svyatoslav Mikhailov
Legislature
Upper House - Transamur Duma
Lower House - Transamur Senate`
Judiciary
Constitutional Court
Supreme Court
Prosecutor General
Court of Arbitration
Economic system: Mixed Economy
Resources in surplus (resources your country has more than it needs): Coal, Petroleum, Precious Metals, Hydroelectricity, Wood, Fish
Resources in scarcity (resources your country desperately needs but doesn't have enough of): Agricultural Products, Infrastructure, Finished Goods, Manufacturing Industry, Communication, Military Industries
History: WIP
Post by: Cinciri on October 10, 2017, 11:04:58 PM
The professional forces are way too high. Remember, you're trying to rebuild. You want as much of your population as possible out in the workforce. Just make it 1% of your populationFixed
Post by: Violet on October 10, 2017, 11:31:59 PM
The professional forces are way too high. Remember, you're trying to rebuild. You want as much of your population as possible out in the workforce. Just make it 1% of your populationFixed
@Commander_Zemas both accepted! Anyone wanna make a map?
Post by: Violet on October 11, 2017, 03:12:36 AM
Post by: Lily Polisesul on October 11, 2017, 07:35:30 PM
CAN I BRING BACK MY SOUTH AMERICAN CRIMINATION?
Post by: Arenado on October 11, 2017, 09:01:56 PM
Spoiler
(https://img00.deviantart.net/6189/i/2011/315/6/b/holy_american_union_by_ynot1989-d4fub21.png)
Population: 21.7 Million
Claims: Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Georgia, Florida, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana.
Military forces (include civilian militias/paramilitaries): Central Government: 200,000 Soldiers, Church of America Militant forces: 75,000, Various State Militias: 150,000 Soldiers
Government: A Confederation of 13 states with a central government in the form of a unicameral Diet. The Church of America, the official state religion, also has a powerful say in the running of the Government. Each state has their own Governor and State Diet. There is an elected President who is the head of state.
Economic system (free market , planned, command, etc.): A quasi-socialist economy with state run companies but room for private investment and corporations.
Resources in surplus (resources your country has more than it needs): Food (Wheat, Grain, Cattle, things like that), Agricultural goods (like Cotton), arms and armaments, Oil, Electricity(Courtesy of a Nuclear Power Plant in South Carolina)
Resources in scarcity (resources your country desperately needs but doesn't have enough of): Raw ores, technologies, factories, Raw Materials
History: After the East Coast Plauge hit the Southern States quickly closed borders and deployed the National Guard to stop the influx of refugees to their states. The Governors, Senators and Congressmen who were inside their borders soon banded together and, in the height of the chaos, declared Independence in the form of a New Holy Confederation. With the rest of the Country to weak and divided to stop them, a reign of terror soon fell upon the NHCA. Immigration and Emigration was suspended, anyone suspected of carrying the plague was burnt as 'unholy filth". It took 2 years before a New Constitution was created and the terror ended. The Plague had been defeated thanks to the CDC in Atlanta who worked tirelessly to cure the disease. However, the Country went from a population of 110 Million to just over 20. Now, with eager hearts and damaged minds, the people of the New Holy Confederation of America looked to the world, hoping to reclaim greatness.....
Post by: Violet on October 11, 2017, 09:17:46 PM
Nation name: New Holy Confederation of America(Capital: Corpus Christi (231,009) , Largest City: Atlanta (845,991)Me and Ashton had a private talk and we agreed that the US Federal government still existed in the Midatlantic. So Northern Virgina isn't claimable. But otherwise, accepted.Population: 21.7 MillionSpoiler(https://img00.deviantart.net/6189/i/2011/315/6/b/holy_american_union_by_ynot1989-d4fub21.png)
Claims: Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Georgia, Florida, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana.
Military forces (include civilian militias/paramilitaries): Central Government: 200,000 Soldiers, Church of America Militant forces: 75,000, Various State Militias: 150,000 Soldiers
Government: A Confederation of 13 states with a central government in the form of a unicameral Diet. The Church of America, the official state religion, also has a powerful say in the running of the Government. Each state has their own Governor and State Diet. There is an elected President who is the head of state.
Economic system (free market , planned, command, etc.): A quasi-socialist economy with state run companies but room for private investment and corporations.
Resources in surplus (resources your country has more than it needs): Food (Wheat, Grain, Cattle, things like that), Agricultural goods (like Cotton), arms and armaments, Oil
Resources in scarcity (resources your country desperately needs but doesn't have enough of): Raw ores, technologies, factories
History: After the East Coast Plauge hit the Southern States quickly closed borders and deployed the National Guard to stop the influx of refugees to their states. The Governors, Senators and Congressmen who were inside their borders soon banded together and, in the height of the chaos, declared Independence in the form of a New Holy Confederation. With the rest of the Country to weak and divided to stop them, a reign of terror soon fell upon the NHCA. Immigration and Emigration was suspended, anyone suspected of carrying the plague was burnt as 'unholy filth". It took 2 years before a New Constitution was created and the terror ended. The Plague had been defeated thanks to the CDC in Atlanta who worked tirelessly to cure the disease. However, the Country went from a population of 110 Million to just over 20. Now, with eager hearts and damaged minds, the people of the New Holy Confederation of America looked to the world, hoping to reclaim greatness.....
Post by: Lily Polisesul on October 12, 2017, 02:57:38 AM
-A government made out of a criminal organization that controls territory in most of Central America and southern Mexico
-Imperial Japan 2: Electric Boogaloo
Post by: Violet on October 12, 2017, 04:55:19 AM
Since I'm not sure, can I ask which would be more sensible?Pick the first one.
-A government made out of a criminal organization that controls territory in most of Central America and southern Mexico
-Imperial Japan 2: Electric Boogaloo
Post by: Lily Polisesul on October 12, 2017, 05:23:26 AM
Let me delve into the ruins of the Ainur Forums.
Huh. What resources do Central America and Southern Mexico have?
Post by: Arenado on October 12, 2017, 07:34:19 AM
Nation name: New Holy Confederation of America(Capital: Corpus Christi (231,009) , Largest City: Atlanta (845,991)Me and Ashton had a private talk and we agreed that the US Federal government still existed in the Midatlantic. So Northern Virgina isn't claimable. But otherwise, accepted.Population: 21.7 MillionSpoiler(https://img00.deviantart.net/6189/i/2011/315/6/b/holy_american_union_by_ynot1989-d4fub21.png)
Claims: Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Georgia, Florida, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana.
Military forces (include civilian militias/paramilitaries): Central Government: 200,000 Soldiers, Church of America Militant forces: 75,000, Various State Militias: 150,000 Soldiers
Government: A Confederation of 13 states with a central government in the form of a unicameral Diet. The Church of America, the official state religion, also has a powerful say in the running of the Government. Each state has their own Governor and State Diet. There is an elected President who is the head of state.
Economic system (free market , planned, command, etc.): A quasi-socialist economy with state run companies but room for private investment and corporations.
Resources in surplus (resources your country has more than it needs): Food (Wheat, Grain, Cattle, things like that), Agricultural goods (like Cotton), arms and armaments, Oil
Resources in scarcity (resources your country desperately needs but doesn't have enough of): Raw ores, technologies, factories
History: After the East Coast Plauge hit the Southern States quickly closed borders and deployed the National Guard to stop the influx of refugees to their states. The Governors, Senators and Congressmen who were inside their borders soon banded together and, in the height of the chaos, declared Independence in the form of a New Holy Confederation. With the rest of the Country to weak and divided to stop them, a reign of terror soon fell upon the NHCA. Immigration and Emigration was suspended, anyone suspected of carrying the plague was burnt as 'unholy filth". It took 2 years before a New Constitution was created and the terror ended. The Plague had been defeated thanks to the CDC in Atlanta who worked tirelessly to cure the disease. However, the Country went from a population of 110 Million to just over 20. Now, with eager hearts and damaged minds, the people of the New Holy Confederation of America looked to the world, hoping to reclaim greatness.....
Why would Northern Virgina not be claimable? Or is it just DC?
Post by: Cinciri on October 12, 2017, 01:00:31 PM
Great! That's a lot less work on my part.Sugar, Produce, Lumber, etc. Metals like copper, silver, and gold (to a lesser extent) and both petroleum and coal
Let me delve into the ruins of the Ainur Forums.
Huh. What resources do Central America and Southern Mexico have?
Post by: Ashton Mercer on October 12, 2017, 03:43:21 PM
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/5f5b/th/pre/f/2016/020/5/0/great_lakes_federation_by_deviantsock-d9oqb86.png)
Post by: Arenado on October 12, 2017, 07:54:46 PM
Post by: Violet on October 12, 2017, 08:00:12 PM
So just to clarify, no Virginia?Me and Ashton plan for there to be a federal government remnant that would cause a ruckus. Only north virginia is unclaimable, the rest is fine
Post by: Arenado on October 12, 2017, 08:05:46 PM
Post by: Lily Polisesul on October 12, 2017, 09:29:14 PM
Population: 5,000,000
Claims: Central America, Southern Mexico. De facto control over northern South America.
Military forces: 270,300 combined total forces, 1.2 million paramilitary
Government: Constitutional Military Dictatorship
Economic system: Free market w/ government participation
Resources in surplus: Sugar, fruits & vegetables, timber, precious metals, petroleum, coal
Resources in scarcity: Water, hospitals, concrete,
History: Formed by a revolutionary group consisting mostly of cartel members and criminals, La Joya promised stability for El Salvador and many other surrounding Central American nations. Through a mass movement, they entrenched themselves in most of Central America, overthrowing the governments and installing a junta. La Joya is fairly lax as far as military dictatorships go, abiding by a strict constitution and allowing political discourse to a reasonable level. Perhaps as a byproduct, the government is fairly small. President Alicia Assis serves as leader and commander-in-chief, but the country is split up into districts that have their own governors that can field a small force and determine local laws. (Subject to change.)
Post by: Violet on October 12, 2017, 10:48:38 PM
Ok, then I'll just take South Virginia. Will Richmond still be within my borders or no?Yeah, it's still in your borders
Nation name: La JoyaAccepted.
Population: 5,000,000
Claims: Central America, Southern Mexico. De facto control over northern South America.
Military forces: 270,300 combined total forces, 1.2 million paramilitary
Government: Constitutional Military Dictatorship
Economic system: Free market w/ government participation
Resources in surplus: Sugar, fruits & vegetables, timber, precious metals, petroleum, coal
Resources in scarcity: Water, hospitals, concrete,
History: Formed by a revolutionary group consisting mostly of cartel members and criminals, La Joya promised stability for El Salvador and many other surrounding Central American nations. Through a mass movement, they entrenched themselves in most of Central America, overthrowing the governments and installing a junta. La Joya is fairly lax as far as military dictatorships go, abiding by a strict constitution and allowing political discourse to a reasonable level. Perhaps as a byproduct, the government is fairly small. President Alicia Assis serves as leader and commander-in-chief, but the country is split up into districts that have their own governors that can field a small force and determine local laws. (Subject to change.)
Post by: Lily Polisesul on October 12, 2017, 11:16:53 PM
Post by: Violet on October 13, 2017, 12:48:46 AM
Post by: Arenado on October 13, 2017, 10:49:37 AM
Also, the Signup thread and the OOC thread should be 2 different threads to avoid confusion and clutter.
Post by: Violet on October 13, 2017, 11:02:43 AM
Should we move this all to the Gathering Portal, @Gerrick?I'm 100% used to them both being the same thread???
Also, the Signup thread and the OOC thread should be 2 different threads to avoid confusion and clutter.
Anyways, I thought it'd be a neat idea if we had some character based elements to the story. I've always had a problem thinking of a good start for a nation RP and this came to mind. I by no means expect character based stories to be the sole stories of this RP, but I think introducing some average joes into the mix would be a nice break from the political and diplomatic intrigue that typically dominates nation RPs.
Post by: Arenado on October 13, 2017, 11:09:56 AM
Post by: Violet on October 13, 2017, 09:45:18 PM
The thing is as time goes on it might get a bit cluttered to have both the applications and the OOC in the same place. Hopefully, this RP will grow and that will lead to more players and even more chatter. It might become difficult to track where applications are and easy to lose track of OOC conversations.done!
Post by: Ashton Mercer on October 16, 2017, 04:14:30 AM
Post by: Ashton Mercer on October 17, 2017, 07:28:15 AM
1. The actions of the New Holy Confederation of America has started a massive exodus of Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, and other minority faiths north into the territory of the American Lakes Union and Canada. Black people also, probably, idk.
2. The ALU and the NHCA are very much aware of each other and (thanks to undefined historical events) aren’t on speaking terms, having left most of Appalachia as a de-facto DMZ/No-man’s Land between them. The ALU is absolutely fucking terrified of the NHCA, and the NHCA believes the ALU is a conglomeration of heathens and that they’re “up next”.
Thoughts?
Post by: Arenado on October 17, 2017, 09:21:03 AM
And the NHCA does not want to annex or attack the ALU, those Children of Sodom (their term for Northeners) can rot, especially since the NHCA still has a chip on their shoulder about "liberal elite heathens and their plague". No, the NHCA wants to annex someone else.
Post by: Cinciri on October 17, 2017, 11:07:59 AM
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on October 17, 2017, 11:36:16 AM
I've got one question for you: Are you ready?
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Post by: Arenado on October 17, 2017, 04:32:43 PM
Post by: Arenado on October 17, 2017, 05:51:47 PM
Post by: Ashton Mercer on October 17, 2017, 06:28:03 PM
smhI've got one question for you: Are you ready?(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcs.mcgill.ca%2F%7Erwest%2Fwikispeedia%2Fwpcd%2Fimages%2F24%2F2471.png&hash=95b9004790adc41d13798983d7f241fc)
Post by: Ashton Mercer on October 17, 2017, 06:28:39 PM
@Ashton Mercer So, what do you suppose the event that caused a rift between our two countries should be? My suggestion is a expedition by the both of us, separately, into Maryland where they met and exchanged gunfire near Antietam. What do you think?Sounds like a plan.
Post by: Violet on October 17, 2017, 10:45:51 PM
idk why you're joking about this or why you guys are laughing along. Wanting to see systematic genocide isn't exactly a knee slapperI've got one question for you: Are you ready?(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcs.mcgill.ca%2F%7Erwest%2Fwikispeedia%2Fwpcd%2Fimages%2F24%2F2471.png&hash=95b9004790adc41d13798983d7f241fc)
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on October 18, 2017, 01:32:02 AM
Pfft, why would I ever want to kill off all the Turks? They're the greatest scapegoat in the world! My empire has any problems? Blame it on the Turks! Note the conspicuous lack of Anatolian land. The more Turkish insurgents out there the more of a common enemy my empire will have to unify otherwise completely different cultures.idk why you're joking about this or why you guys are laughing along. Wanting to see systematic genocide isn't exactly a knee slapperI've got one question for you: Are you ready?(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcs.mcgill.ca%2F%7Erwest%2Fwikispeedia%2Fwpcd%2Fimages%2F24%2F2471.png&hash=95b9004790adc41d13798983d7f241fc)
Post by: Ashton Mercer on October 18, 2017, 02:55:35 AM
In the RP world, implied genocide =/= genocide, IMO. I’m more angry about it because he’s been doing the same damn thing in every nations RP.idk why you're joking about this or why you guys are laughing along. Wanting to see systematic genocide isn't exactly a knee slapperI've got one question for you: Are you ready?(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcs.mcgill.ca%2F%7Erwest%2Fwikispeedia%2Fwpcd%2Fimages%2F24%2F2471.png&hash=95b9004790adc41d13798983d7f241fc)
Post by: Violet on October 18, 2017, 02:58:39 AM
Yeah, okie dokie. Doesn't change the fact that I know what your RL views wrt Turkey are and I have no tolerance for them. Either apply as a different country or don't apply at all.Pfft, why would I ever want to kill off all the Turks? They're the greatest scapegoat in the world! My empire has any problems? Blame it on the Turks! Note the conspicuous lack of Anatolian land. The more Turkish insurgents out there the more of a common enemy my empire will have to unify otherwise completely different cultures.idk why you're joking about this or why you guys are laughing along. Wanting to see systematic genocide isn't exactly a knee slapperI've got one question for you: Are you ready?(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcs.mcgill.ca%2F%7Erwest%2Fwikispeedia%2Fwpcd%2Fimages%2F24%2F2471.png&hash=95b9004790adc41d13798983d7f241fc)
he could just outright state his country comitted genocide and that wouldn't be grounds for rejection. What peeves me is that his Neo-Byzantine Empires are rooted in very sincere political beliefs and letting him RP them comes off as enabling imho.In the RP world, implied genocide =/= genocide, IMO. I’m more angry about it because he’s been doing the same damn thing in every nations RP.idk why you're joking about this or why you guys are laughing along. Wanting to see systematic genocide isn't exactly a knee slapperI've got one question for you: Are you ready?(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcs.mcgill.ca%2F%7Erwest%2Fwikispeedia%2Fwpcd%2Fimages%2F24%2F2471.png&hash=95b9004790adc41d13798983d7f241fc)
Post by: Arenado on October 18, 2017, 10:14:40 AM
A) His country has implied genocide
B) His country is not original
C) You do not like his political views?
No, I'm sorry, but no, I cannot condone that. Reject an application for administrative reasons, balance reasons or logic reasons but I cannot condone blocking someone because you do not like someone's personal political views, that is NOT what Wintreath is about.
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on October 18, 2017, 10:56:26 AM
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on October 19, 2017, 12:21:16 AM
WAIT JUST A MINUTE.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ate-ck2/images/6/6d/Hcc.png/revision/latest?cb=20151118021855)
Post by: Arenado on October 19, 2017, 12:45:16 AM
Post by: Violet on October 19, 2017, 06:37:15 AM
Wait, you want to reject some one because eitherIt's neither of those things. There is a difference between "I'm not letting you into this RP because I don't like you're political views" and "I know you're a Neo-Nazi and I feel uncomfortable with letting you sign up as the Heathen Germanic Riech"
A) His country has implied genocide
B) His country is not original
C) You do not like his political views?
No, I'm sorry, but no, I cannot condone that. Reject an application for administrative reasons, balance reasons or logic reasons but I cannot condone blocking someone because you do not like someone's personal political views, that is NOT what Wintreath is about.
I have explicitly corrected my previous mistakes from the last time, yet you still want to blacklist me from ever playing again? I'm sorry that I took edgy shitposting to RP nearly a year ago, now can we move on from all the bs drama from Ainur and Dellenaria and just play a game?Corrected what mistakes?
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on October 19, 2017, 12:44:12 PM
>be an edgelord posting turkroach memes a year ago, then grow out of itWait, you want to reject some one because eitherIt's neither of those things. There is a difference between "I'm not letting you into this RP because I don't like you're political views" and "I know you're a Neo-Nazi and I feel uncomfortable with letting you sign up as the Heathen Germanic Riech"
A) His country has implied genocide
B) His country is not original
C) You do not like his political views?
No, I'm sorry, but no, I cannot condone that. Reject an application for administrative reasons, balance reasons or logic reasons but I cannot condone blocking someone because you do not like someone's personal political views, that is NOT what Wintreath is about.I have explicitly corrected my previous mistakes from the last time, yet you still want to blacklist me from ever playing again? I'm sorry that I took edgy shitposting to RP nearly a year ago, now can we move on from all the bs drama from Ainur and Dellenaria and just play a game?Corrected what mistakes?
>neonazi
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/614VmsFwoNL._SX355_.jpg)
As for my mistakes, this time I have almost no Anatolian land, and the people pushing for the empire to expand there are doing it to prevent the marginalization of Turks in the empire.
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on October 19, 2017, 12:44:47 PM
Uhhh, ok, wait for what?You totally ripped off the after the end mod from ck2 :P
Holy Colombian Confederacy is best nation tho so it's cool 8)
Post by: Arenado on October 19, 2017, 12:46:36 PM
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on October 19, 2017, 01:33:18 PM
Actually, no, I just recreated the Confederacy, only bigger, more religious and with a touch of 1933 Germany for good measure.I don't recall you mentioning in your app where the church of America came from. Where did it come from?
Post by: Arenado on October 19, 2017, 01:37:30 PM
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on October 19, 2017, 04:31:34 PM
Honestly, pick a source. It's supposed to be a vague christian based amalgamation of Christian values and American Nationalism. Think if Columbia from Bioshock Infinite became a country, minus the racism.I meant more of how it came to be IC
Post by: Arenado on October 19, 2017, 05:39:07 PM
1.) Plague comes, millions die. Desperation kicks in as the States that band together need something to prevent panic and anarchy from setting in.
2.) Southern Bapist Church (as good a scapegoat as any) Ministers start to preach a new gospel, a mix of Nationalistic Populism and Christian Values to try and get their terrified parishes through the South.
3.) Government decides to endorse this new Gospel and calls for a religious convention. A majority or surviving ministers attend, create a new Canon of God and the Church of America is created.
4.) Government adopts the new religion as the official state religion. Shortly after, a cure is created by the CDC at Atlanta. The Church seizes on this and claims the new Church is responsible. The people flock to the new Church.
The rest is history.
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on October 19, 2017, 06:16:27 PM
Post by: Arenado on October 19, 2017, 06:34:25 PM
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on October 19, 2017, 06:45:51 PM
Hey, Justinian, nice glass house.(https://englishadviser.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/55001-45893.jpg?w=723)
Post by: Arenado on October 19, 2017, 06:48:06 PM
Post by: Arenado on October 19, 2017, 08:16:16 PM
Post by: Ashton Mercer on October 19, 2017, 08:39:40 PM
Ashton, just curious, the titles on the windows for your IC posts, like "a confederate yankee in pope ....", is that just a title or something else?Just a title. Usually some stupid joke I think is witty at the time or unimportant OOC commentary. Don’t worry too much about it.
Post by: Violet on October 19, 2017, 11:11:00 PM
You told us that you wanted Turks to be forcefully expelled from Istanbul, western Anatolia, historical Western Armenia and Bashur so the Greece, Kurdistan and Armenia can nejoy irridentist states in what was once Turkey. This wasn't a meme, it was genuine political ramblings. If you grew out of that, good on you, but don't make it as if I'm giving you a hard time for really loving the Byzantine Empire or memes. You know what you said.>be an edgelord posting turkroach memes a year ago, then grow out of itWait, you want to reject some one because eitherIt's neither of those things. There is a difference between "I'm not letting you into this RP because I don't like you're political views" and "I know you're a Neo-Nazi and I feel uncomfortable with letting you sign up as the Heathen Germanic Riech"
A) His country has implied genocide
B) His country is not original
C) You do not like his political views?
No, I'm sorry, but no, I cannot condone that. Reject an application for administrative reasons, balance reasons or logic reasons but I cannot condone blocking someone because you do not like someone's personal political views, that is NOT what Wintreath is about.I have explicitly corrected my previous mistakes from the last time, yet you still want to blacklist me from ever playing again? I'm sorry that I took edgy shitposting to RP nearly a year ago, now can we move on from all the bs drama from Ainur and Dellenaria and just play a game?Corrected what mistakes?
>neonazi
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/614VmsFwoNL._SX355_.jpg)
As for my mistakes, this time I have almost no Anatolian land, and the people pushing for the empire to expand there are doing it to prevent the marginalization of Turks in the empire.
Besides, how does Greece control Istanbul in a complete collapse of the EU?
Post by: Commander_Zemas on October 19, 2017, 11:35:32 PM
Besides, how does Greece control Istanbul in a complete collapse of the EU?
Just do what Transamur did and declare all debts null and void after global financial collapse.
Post by: Violet on October 19, 2017, 11:47:02 PM
That wasn't my point. If 60% of everyone in Istanbul died, it'd still be almost the same population as the entirety of pre-outbreak Greece. Greece doesn't have the capital, the manpower or the resources to occupy Istanbul. The only acceptable excuse is that it's some sort of Greco-Turkist union (which is a thing btw) but from what Justinina has said, the Turks are actually oppressed in this hypothetical country.Besides, how does Greece control Istanbul in a complete collapse of the EU?
Just do what Transamur did and declare all debts null and void after global financial collapse.
This may seem like I have it out for Justinian but it isn't. I just don't find the idea of a Neo-Byzantine Empire in this setting to be realistic. Greece can barely keep its own population in check IRL, let alone the population of Istanbul.
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on October 20, 2017, 12:02:48 AM
Densely populated cities like Istanbul to be disproportionately affected by a plague. Most American cities tend to be more spread out than European ones, due to their development in tandem with the automobile. Istanbul wasn't wiped out, it was abandoned purposely due to its nature as plague bait (yes, I know not all of Istanbul is the Fatih district, but population density is still 2,500 people per square kilometer) Canakkale swelled in population as a result and essentially became the new Istanbul. Meanwhile the festering carcass of old Istanbul got swooped up by glorified mercenaries, whom the Turks promptly rendered irrelevant by securing Izmit and letting people just stop on the other side of the Bosporus. The new Constantinopian state survived purely because of the blind ultranationalism that said mercenaries pumped out encouraging people to settle there. It would have collapsed in on itself had Demetrios not started a campaign against the fractured states of Bulgaria and Greece and gathering enough manpower to threaten the Turkish Marmaran Republic, with whom they finally entered into a glorious conflict and....peacefully negotiated a treaty of amity which slowly accumulated into a mutual agglomeration.That wasn't my point. If 60% of everyone in Istanbul died, it'd still be almost the same population as the entirety of pre-outbreak Greece. Greece doesn't have the capital, the manpower or the resources to occupy Istanbul. The only acceptable excuse is that it's some sort of Greco-Turkist union (which is a thing btw) but from what Justinina has said, the Turks are actually oppressed in this hypothetical country.Besides, how does Greece control Istanbul in a complete collapse of the EU?
Just do what Transamur did and declare all debts null and void after global financial collapse.
This may seem like I have it out for Justinian but it isn't. I just don't find the idea of a Neo-Byzantine Empire in this setting to be realistic. Greece can barely keep its own population in check IRL, let alone the population of Istanbul.
As for the Turks being oppressed? They aren't. It's more that they fear it could happen if they lose their proportional position in the population, and thus want to continue to fill it with more Turks/people who are ok with turks to counteract the influx of the not-so-ok-with-turks orthodox slavs.
Post by: Ashton Mercer on October 20, 2017, 12:04:49 AM
let him do this thing and switch when he gets bore because there's nobody in Europe
Post by: Violet on October 21, 2017, 01:11:23 AM
Okay. Millions of people leaving there homes and livelihoods in an exodus toward wherever in hopes of fsafe haven isn't realistic. It isn't even possible. Even if Istanbul is "plague bait". And if it is, then that also means like half of all major ciites in Europe are probably abandoned too, including Athens so.Densely populated cities like Istanbul to be disproportionately affected by a plague. Most American cities tend to be more spread out than European ones, due to their development in tandem with the automobile. Istanbul wasn't wiped out, it was abandoned purposely due to its nature as plague bait (yes, I know not all of Istanbul is the Fatih district, but population density is still 2,500 people per square kilometer) Canakkale swelled in population as a result and essentially became the new Istanbul. Meanwhile the festering carcass of old Istanbul got swooped up by glorified mercenaries, whom the Turks promptly rendered irrelevant by securing Izmit and letting people just stop on the other side of the Bosporus. The new Constantinopian state survived purely because of the blind ultranationalism that said mercenaries pumped out encouraging people to settle there. It would have collapsed in on itself had Demetrios not started a campaign against the fractured states of Bulgaria and Greece and gathering enough manpower to threaten the Turkish Marmaran Republic, with whom they finally entered into a glorious conflict and....peacefully negotiated a treaty of amity which slowly accumulated into a mutual agglomeration.That wasn't my point. If 60% of everyone in Istanbul died, it'd still be almost the same population as the entirety of pre-outbreak Greece. Greece doesn't have the capital, the manpower or the resources to occupy Istanbul. The only acceptable excuse is that it's some sort of Greco-Turkist union (which is a thing btw) but from what Justinina has said, the Turks are actually oppressed in this hypothetical country.Besides, how does Greece control Istanbul in a complete collapse of the EU?
Just do what Transamur did and declare all debts null and void after global financial collapse.
This may seem like I have it out for Justinian but it isn't. I just don't find the idea of a Neo-Byzantine Empire in this setting to be realistic. Greece can barely keep its own population in check IRL, let alone the population of Istanbul.
As for the Turks being oppressed? They aren't. It's more that they fear it could happen if they lose their proportional position in the population, and thus want to continue to fill it with more Turks/people who are ok with turks to counteract the influx of the not-so-ok-with-turks orthodox slavs.
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on October 21, 2017, 02:24:25 PM
Well yeah, Athens is gone too. How else do you think Demetrios conquered Greece and Bulgaria?Okay. Millions of people leaving there homes and livelihoods in an exodus toward wherever in hopes of fsafe haven isn't realistic. It isn't even possible. Even if Istanbul is "plague bait". And if it is, then that also means like half of all major ciites in Europe are probably abandoned too, including Athens so.Densely populated cities like Istanbul to be disproportionately affected by a plague. Most American cities tend to be more spread out than European ones, due to their development in tandem with the automobile. Istanbul wasn't wiped out, it was abandoned purposely due to its nature as plague bait (yes, I know not all of Istanbul is the Fatih district, but population density is still 2,500 people per square kilometer) Canakkale swelled in population as a result and essentially became the new Istanbul. Meanwhile the festering carcass of old Istanbul got swooped up by glorified mercenaries, whom the Turks promptly rendered irrelevant by securing Izmit and letting people just stop on the other side of the Bosporus. The new Constantinopian state survived purely because of the blind ultranationalism that said mercenaries pumped out encouraging people to settle there. It would have collapsed in on itself had Demetrios not started a campaign against the fractured states of Bulgaria and Greece and gathering enough manpower to threaten the Turkish Marmaran Republic, with whom they finally entered into a glorious conflict and....peacefully negotiated a treaty of amity which slowly accumulated into a mutual agglomeration.That wasn't my point. If 60% of everyone in Istanbul died, it'd still be almost the same population as the entirety of pre-outbreak Greece. Greece doesn't have the capital, the manpower or the resources to occupy Istanbul. The only acceptable excuse is that it's some sort of Greco-Turkist union (which is a thing btw) but from what Justinina has said, the Turks are actually oppressed in this hypothetical country.Besides, how does Greece control Istanbul in a complete collapse of the EU?
Just do what Transamur did and declare all debts null and void after global financial collapse.
This may seem like I have it out for Justinian but it isn't. I just don't find the idea of a Neo-Byzantine Empire in this setting to be realistic. Greece can barely keep its own population in check IRL, let alone the population of Istanbul.
As for the Turks being oppressed? They aren't. It's more that they fear it could happen if they lose their proportional position in the population, and thus want to continue to fill it with more Turks/people who are ok with turks to counteract the influx of the not-so-ok-with-turks orthodox slavs.
Post by: Violet on October 22, 2017, 03:34:05 AM
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on October 23, 2017, 11:57:07 PM
Post by: Lily Polisesul on October 24, 2017, 01:59:56 AM
Post by: Violet on October 24, 2017, 05:05:33 AM
IIII should join in. Sorry, been busy. Nobody's nuked Central America yet, right?Nothing's nuked. Chime in!
Post by: Skrevski on October 24, 2017, 06:21:11 PM
Post by: Violet on October 25, 2017, 01:04:35 AM
Hey guys this looks like a cool idea, there still room for people? Has the West US coast been taken?It's all empty.
Post by: Arenado on October 25, 2017, 01:07:55 AM
Post by: Skrevski on October 25, 2017, 01:26:21 AM
Hey guys this looks like a cool idea, there still room for people? Has the West US coast been taken?It's all empty.
Alright, I think I will try and draw something up for that then.
Post by: BraveSirRobin on October 25, 2017, 09:58:02 PM
Post by: Cinciri on October 26, 2017, 11:36:07 PM
*totally wants Japan or somewhere in Scandinavia but has 0 time at present*Has 0 time, does this anyway XD
Post by: Violet on November 04, 2017, 12:51:59 AM
Post by: Gabriel Artut on November 04, 2017, 11:38:17 AM
Post by: Violet on November 04, 2017, 11:34:03 PM
Post by: Commander_Zemas on November 04, 2017, 11:42:49 PM
Post by: Violet on November 05, 2017, 12:21:26 AM
Now that I think of it, I should really write my nation's history lol.Go for it dude.
And also since it concerns your nation (sort of), the post just had a Russian refugee. There are maybe ~300,000 - 500,000 Russian refugees in Canada who emigrated as say a Syrian or Libyan would to Sweden in contemporary times and they obviously weren't numerically significant.
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on November 05, 2017, 03:55:24 PM
I know this is a little late but, uhh...
Louisville is kinda, sorta, kinda, sorta
The most liberal place in the tristate area.
And Southern Indiana is about as far from "heathen" as you could possibly get
Post by: Arenado on November 05, 2017, 03:56:44 PM
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on November 05, 2017, 03:58:15 PM
Shhhhhhhhh....also in the actual American Civil War Kentucky ended up on the Union side and Louisville was a stronghold of northern troops and it was actually an invasion by the south violating our neutrality that caused us to run into Uncle Sam's open arms
Post by: Arenado on November 05, 2017, 04:03:43 PM
Post by: Gabriel Artut on November 06, 2017, 07:24:43 PM
Post by: Ashton Mercer on November 06, 2017, 09:48:57 PM
Post by: Violet on November 07, 2017, 12:54:12 AM
Also, who exactly vandalized Walsh’s car?Answered this in a previous ask, but to keep it simple, no one that matters.
Mariam, could you update the map?
Give me time.
Post by: Arenado on November 07, 2017, 03:27:12 PM
Post by: Ashton Mercer on November 14, 2017, 06:21:51 AM
Post by: Gabriel Artut on November 14, 2017, 08:02:40 PM
I also ask to follow my lead when it comes to time involving your characters attending the ICB. i.e. RP in the same day as my last post if you can. I will have the actual meeting happen during noon, so keep that in mind.
I will also make a roll call to make it clear ho will be partaking which session.
I will wait a respectable time before beginning the ICB, but if anyone wishes to join after the start, there will be no problem.
I hope you agree with the conditions and look forward to meeting you in the "field" . Feel free to message if you had something else in mind.
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on December 07, 2017, 02:19:19 AM
For those attending the International Conference of Bucharest (ICB), feel free to begin arriving in the city of Bucharest. You can come either by car or plane. Once you have your characters there, I will take over and lead them through the welcoming festivities up until a main hall, before the actual beginning of the ICB.I kinda sorta kinda sorta maybe might have a good chunk of Dobruja.
I also ask to follow my lead when it comes to time involving your characters attending the ICB. i.e. RP in the same day as my last post if you can. I will have the actual meeting happen during noon, so keep that in mind.
I will also make a roll call to make it clear ho will be partaking which session.
I will wait a respectable time before beginning the ICB, but if anyone wishes to join after the start, there will be no problem.
I hope you agree with the conditions and look forward to meeting you in the "field" . Feel free to message if you had something else in mind.
Do you want that back or...?
Post by: Gabriel Artut on December 08, 2017, 03:24:27 PM
We shall find that at the Conference won't we?
Btw, should I assume they arrive by the next day or next post? I mean, what did you intend with "It would be a long way to Bucharest."
We will be discussing a lot of things that I have in mind concerning the whole world.
Post by: Justinian Ezkantion on December 08, 2017, 08:56:40 PM
@Justinian EzkantionI meant that as in it would feel like an eternity for Niko to be stuck in a ferry, then train the entire day. It's not actually a long journey, it just feels like one.
We shall find that at the Conference won't we?
Btw, should I assume they arrive by the next day or next post? I mean, what did you intend with "It would be a long way to Bucharest."
We will be discussing a lot of things that I have in mind concerning the whole world.