Post by: Gerrick on January 11, 2017, 02:40:10 PM
So a couple weeks ago, Tau suggested (http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=3.msg90297#msg90297) a new game we try out: Diplomacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy_(game)). The original game requires up to 7 players (with 7 being optimal), and I was wondering if there's any interest in it. We could either play just using the forum here (as it is famed for being played through postal mail before the Internet), or we could use a Diplomacy website, such as Backstabbr (http://www.backstabbr.com/). Below is an overview of the game.
DIPLOMACY is a game of negotiations, alliances, promises kept, and promises broken. In order to survive, a player needs help from others. In order to win the game, a player must eventually stand alone. Knowing whom to trust, when to trust them, what to promise, and when to promise is the heart of the game. Remember, you are a diplomat first, a commander second.
Simply put, Diplomacy is a game of communication, cunning, strategy, and treachery. Oh, the treachery.
Not so simply put, Diplomacy is a game that pits players against each other as they vie for control of Europe in the years before World War I. However, unlike other similar games like Risk, Diplomacy is every bit about negotiating with other players as it is about militaristic strategy.
The following is an overview of the rules of Diplomacy to get you started (specifically, formatted in a forum-based game).
At the beginning of each turn, players meet together one-to-one (PMs) or small groups to discuss their plans and suggest strategies. Alliances between players are openly or secretly made, and orders are (hopefully) coordinated. Immediately following this period of "diplomacy," each player sends the host a PM with an order for each of his/her units. When all players have sent their orders, the host reveals all orders simultaneously, and then the orders are resolved. Some units are moved, some have to retreat, and some are removed. Resolving orders is the most challenging part of the rules, requiring complete knowledge of the rules (but don't worry, that's the host's problem :P).
Each turn represents six months of time. The first turn is called a Spring turn and the next a Fall turn. After each Fall turn is the Winter turn, when each player must reconcile the number of units it controls with the number of supply centers is controls. At this time some units are removed and new ones are built.
Each turn has a series of phases. Here are the phases in a complete year.
Spring turn
1. Diplomatic Phase
2. Order Writing Phase
3. Order Resolution Phase
4. Retreat and Disbanding Phase
Fall turn
1. Diplomatic Phase
2. Order Writing Phase
3. Order Resolution Phase
4. Retreat and Disbanding Phase
Winter turn
1. Gaining and Losing Units Phase
After a Fall turn, if one player controls 18 or more supply centers, the game ends and that player is declared the winner.
You can find more detailed rules from the board game (https://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy.pdf), on Backstabbr (http://www.backstabbr.com/rules), and elsewhere on the Internet.
And here's an example of what the game looks like at the start.
(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FeheTZaY.png&hash=44908231c079d0d2597ef4bc9812d5f2)
Since I doubt anyone's played it before, we can just try a practice game. And if there's interest enough that more than 7 want to play after that, we can try using alternate rules. So let me know what you think.
Post by: taulover on January 11, 2017, 05:29:09 PM
How long do we want turns to be? An hour? A day? Three days? A week?
Post by: Gerrick on January 11, 2017, 08:54:33 PM
And the turn length just depends on how quick we want it all to be and how available the players are. I'd think the practice game would have shorter turns just to get the gist of how the rules and gameplay work, though.
Post by: Wintermoot on January 12, 2017, 05:16:31 AM
Post by: Elbbsas on January 12, 2017, 06:56:05 AM
Post by: taulover on January 12, 2017, 09:19:22 AM
I'll probably lose badly, but it would be fun!I don't understand why strategy games are so appealing to me. I always suck at them.
Post by: Elbbsas on January 12, 2017, 09:27:11 AM
That's normally the case for me too. Although, New Year's Eve I managed to win a game of Risk in four turns, so who knows. My luck might have changed.I'll probably lose badly, but it would be fun!I don't understand why strategy games are so appealing to me. I always suck at them.
Granted, that's one win out of many losses soooo probably not. =D
Post by: Arenado on January 12, 2017, 07:50:13 PM
Post by: Gerrick on January 12, 2017, 09:28:24 PM
Post by: Wintermoot on January 13, 2017, 06:11:36 AM
Post by: Hydra on January 13, 2017, 07:38:15 AM
Post by: HannahB on January 13, 2017, 01:18:25 PM
Post by: Mathyland on January 13, 2017, 01:42:56 PM
Post by: BraveSirRobin on January 13, 2017, 02:40:25 PM
Post by: taulover on January 13, 2017, 04:49:14 PM
Post by: Gerrick on January 13, 2017, 09:20:07 PM
So it appears we have 9 people interested (Gerrick, tau, Wintermoot, Elbbsas, North, Hydra, Hannah, Mathyland, and BSR). The base game requires 7 players, so we can either play on an alternate map with 9 players, or I and another person can sit out so a base game can be played.
Another website called vDiplomacy (http://vdiplomacy.net/) has a bunch of different variant maps (http://vdiplomacy.net/variants.php), so we can try that website if we want to play on an alternate map on a website, though starting on an alternate map might be confusing for a first game. Whatever you all want to do.
Post by: Elbbsas on January 13, 2017, 09:28:18 PM
If not, I'll still be ok with it.
Post by: Gerrick on January 13, 2017, 09:44:00 PM
Post by: BraveSirRobin on January 13, 2017, 09:47:56 PM
Uh... it's WWI...Either way, it's still cool. European geopolitics is fascinating in any era. Heck, ANY geopolitics is fascinating in every era!! :P
Post by: Gerrick on January 26, 2017, 09:49:25 PM
@taulover
@Wintermoot
@North
@xXTheHydraXx
@HannahB
@Mathyland
@BraveSirRobin
and @Elbbsas said she's willing to sit out if the 7 of you are playing the Classic map, though we can play a different map variant to fit all 9 of us, or if someone decides they don't want to play anymore, that's fine, too.
So since I won't be playing as well if you're on the Classic map, someone else will have to set up the game. As I said before, vDiplomacy seems to be a pretty good website to use -- you all just have to register first.
The game settings you'll need to decide are:
1. phase length (default: 2 days, max: 10),
2. whether you want to know who's playing which country or have it be anonymous (default: former),
3. whether you can have in-game messaging (default: yes). If not, you can just hold all public and private messages on the forums here,
4. whether you want votes to end the game in a draw to be public or hidden (default: public),
5. whether you want the game to not process on certain days of the week,
6. whether you want a No Moves Received policy: if someone doesn't send in an action, their nation will go into civil disorder (meaning units eventually disband). Default: 2 turn length, 1 phase delay.
And whomever sets up the game will want to password-protect it so that only you guys can play it.
Post by: Doc on January 26, 2017, 11:35:06 PM
Diplomacy ruins more friendships than any other game in my experience.
Just remember, if you're not stabbing someone in the back at least every other turn - it's not Diplomacy!
Post by: taulover on January 27, 2017, 12:44:11 AM
Post by: Gerrick on January 27, 2017, 02:20:04 AM
How brave!None of us have played before, so you're the most experienced one on the forum, haha. Have you played on any alternate maps before?
Diplomacy ruins more friendships than any other game in my experience.
Just remember, if you're not stabbing someone in the back at least every other turn - it's not Diplomacy!
Post by: Doc on January 27, 2017, 04:02:43 AM
I was not one of them, but only because me and Russia had backstabbed each other simultaneously by both working with Austria against the other in the Balkans (I was Turkey and had sweet fuck-all else to do, and Russia's on-off alliance with Italy was 'on' for the moment while they both tried to punch Germany in the throat for backstabbing them both the turn before and helping Austria; he did not, in fact, punch Germany in the throat, instead opting to fuck with me, which Italy took as a minor betrayal) and we were alternately thinking it was hilarious and being fucking furious.
Admittedly we were all much more competitive than we should have been (like, I can't stress this enough, much more competitive than was logical), since I was exaggerating a bit (largely for comic effect) when I said you should backstab every other turn or so. The end result is that nobody wants to work with you, and then everyone either teams up on you (singularly bad), or if you all do it to each other, people ragequit.
But yeah.
Somehow even Risk isn't as harmful to the psyche.
Post by: Elbbsas on January 27, 2017, 06:23:37 AM
I'm still interested, and still willing to sit out. I'll be a seat warmer until more people show up. =D
Post by: HannahB on January 27, 2017, 11:25:50 AM
How brave!None of us have played before, so you're the most experienced one on the forum, haha. Have you played on any alternate maps before?
Diplomacy ruins more friendships than any other game in my experience.
Just remember, if you're not stabbing someone in the back at least every other turn - it's not Diplomacy!
I've played before... I've played Diplomacy a few times with friends and once at a gaming society, though always in person and never online with relative strangers.
I would be up for a game... Even though the last game of Diplomacy I played ended up in a lot of frustration... :))
Hmm, I am really busy though, I am willing to sit back and watch to give Elbb the chance to play :)
(Edit: I always lose anyway :)) )
Post by: Gerrick on January 27, 2017, 11:47:53 AM
Ah, sorry about that. Seems like it'd be more intense in person as you'd have to lie to people's faces.None of us have played before, so you're the most experienced one on the forum, haha. Have you played on any alternate maps before?
I've played before... I've played Diplomacy a few times with friends and once at a gaming society, though always in person and never online with relative strangers.
Post by: HannahB on January 27, 2017, 11:51:23 AM
Ah, sorry about that. Seems like it'd be more intense in person as you'd have to lie to people's faces.None of us have played before, so you're the most experienced one on the forum, haha. Have you played on any alternate maps before?
I've played before... I've played Diplomacy a few times with friends and once at a gaming society, though always in person and never online with relative strangers.
No worries.
And haha :)) yup, it kinda is, though I am pretty bad at lying to someone's face, so I tend to just not reveal much information at all, which makes people immensely suspicious of me...
Post by: Gerrick on February 03, 2017, 01:55:51 AM
So just post below saying whether or not you still want to play since it's been awhile since I first asked and some may have changed their minds.
I'll also create a poll asking how long phase lengths should be. Longer phase length means more time to make careful decisions and negotiations, but makes a game take longer. Shorter phase length results in a faster game, but requires that players in the game are available to check the game frequently.
And I'll just keep all the other options in their default setting. Guess I'll mention everyone again.
@taulover has pretty much already said he'll still play
@Wintermoot
@North
@xXTheHydraXx
@Mathyland
@BraveSirRobin
@Elbbsas can join now since we'll play on whatever size maps fits us all
@HannahB can also still play, too, if she wants
@Doc has displayed interest, but not sure if he wants to play
Plus anyone else reading this who wants to play that I haven't mentioned
Post by: taulover on February 03, 2017, 02:10:37 AM
Post by: BraveSirRobin on February 03, 2017, 03:03:24 AM
Post by: Elbbsas on February 03, 2017, 04:48:31 AM
And also yay
I get to play
I shall now say
Hip-hip hooray
I get to play
In games today.
Yay.
Post by: Arenado on February 03, 2017, 09:05:00 AM
Post by: Mathyland on February 03, 2017, 09:43:21 PM
Post by: taulover on February 03, 2017, 09:57:34 PM
Post by: Gerrick on February 03, 2017, 10:57:52 PM
I haven't been finding much time to be on the forum recently, so I'm not going to play.No worries. :)
Post by: Doc on February 04, 2017, 06:41:18 AM
Just. All that psychological damage. I can never trust again.
Post by: BraveSirRobin on February 14, 2017, 10:05:26 PM
Post by: Gerrick on February 14, 2017, 11:50:38 PM
Current players: Gerrick, tau, BSR, Elbbsas, and North.
Let's give them three days to reply yes or no, then we'll decide on a map regardless.
Post by: Hydra on February 15, 2017, 12:14:31 AM
Post by: Arenado on February 15, 2017, 04:56:15 AM
Post by: Gerrick on February 15, 2017, 01:37:04 PM
ALL IN BABY, MAKE IT RAAAAAAIN!I meant the people who I just mentioned, but I appreciate your enthusiasm :))
Post by: Gerrick on February 18, 2017, 03:24:20 AM
1. Classic - 6 Player (http://vdiplomacy.net/variants.php?variantID=42): a modified version of the Classic WW1 map where all but Italy are used. (Italy is often viewed as the weakest country, so in 6-player games, it may be just completely removed.)
2. Greek Diplomacy (http://vdiplomacy.net/variants.php?variantID=35): a map set in Ancient Greece where players start with a single capital city as well as a bid at the beginning to select their other starting regions.
3. Anarchy in the UK (http://vdiplomacy.net/variants.php?variantID=79): a map with no special rules set in a fictional dystopian future where the UK falls into anarchy and splits into 6 factions.
I'll create a poll and allow 2 votes per person. Please only vote if you are one of the 6 people that will be playing.
Post by: taulover on February 19, 2017, 01:31:54 AM
Post by: Gerrick on February 19, 2017, 04:44:27 AM
Unfortunately, Backstabbr only seems to allow the Classic 7-player game, and webDiplomacy and PlayDiplomacy have no 6-player map variants. We could try creating a dummy account to fill the last spot, but I'm not sure if you get to choose which country you play as, so the dummy account might end up getting a country other than Italy.
Post by: taulover on February 19, 2017, 07:53:41 PM
Post by: Gerrick on February 19, 2017, 10:24:11 PM
Post by: Arenado on February 20, 2017, 12:41:09 PM
Post by: Gerrick on February 20, 2017, 03:13:10 PM
And it's just this variant in which you cannot select your country, so you'd be able to select the one you want in any other variant.
Post by: taulover on February 24, 2017, 02:20:23 AM
Unfortunately, in this variant you cannot choose which country you want as it messes with the code to allow only the countries listed in the game title to be created in the game. We can allow Italy (and decide which country to remove instead), but you'd only have a 1 in 6 chance to get it, so someone else would probably get stuck with it.Does that mean we cannot use the Classic variant then? Shall we do a re-vote (possibly with more 6-player variants)?
And it's just this variant in which you cannot select your country, so you'd be able to select the one you want in any other variant.
Post by: Gerrick on February 24, 2017, 02:36:28 AM
Post by: taulover on February 24, 2017, 03:12:53 AM
Sorry, I meant each person cannot choose which country they want to play as. I am able to choose which 6 countries are available to play as when I set the game up, but the countries will be randomly assigned to each player. That's for the 6 player classic map.Sounds good to me. Considering none of us have experience with Diplomacy, I doubt that's much of a drawback, though others may think otherwise.
Post by: Gerrick on February 24, 2017, 03:39:15 AM
I'll try to get the game up tomorrow.
Post by: Gerrick on February 25, 2017, 03:54:57 AM
@taulover @Elbbsas @North @BraveSirRobin @xXTheHydraXx
Post by: Elbbsas on February 25, 2017, 04:02:06 AM
Post by: Gerrick on February 25, 2017, 04:20:41 AM
Post by: Arenado on February 25, 2017, 04:32:38 AM
Post by: Arenado on February 25, 2017, 04:42:17 AM
Post by: Hydra on February 25, 2017, 05:55:19 AM
Post by: taulover on February 25, 2017, 06:17:10 AM
Post by: Gerrick on February 25, 2017, 11:53:48 AM
I was wondering why I couldn't join. Then I realized that I typed in "potatoe."Haha, sorry, I'm a heathen who is ignorant of these fine details.
Post by: Arenado on February 25, 2017, 12:38:19 PM
I was wondering why I couldn't join. Then I realized that I typed in "potatoe."
Well done, Dan Quayle.
Post by: taulover on February 25, 2017, 06:12:08 PM
Dan Quayle is the true Prophet of the Holy Potatoe!I was wondering why I couldn't join. Then I realized that I typed in "potatoe."
Well done, Dan Quayle.
Post by: BraveSirRobin on February 25, 2017, 10:31:14 PM
Post by: Gerrick on February 26, 2017, 12:56:55 AM
Post by: BraveSirRobin on February 26, 2017, 01:27:37 AM
Post by: Arenado on February 26, 2017, 06:18:20 AM
TO ANNEX THE SUDETENLAND!
Post by: BraveSirRobin on February 26, 2017, 04:08:02 PM
Post by: Gerrick on February 26, 2017, 08:36:25 PM
Quote
Remember, you want more Supply Centers (aka SCs -- provinces with black dots) to build more units. You can move units in Spring and Autumn Phases (we're currently in Autumn as it says at the top). Province ownership changes are solidified after the end of the Autumn Phase. You can have as many units as you have SCs at the end of the Autumn Phase. In the Winter Phase (the next phase), you can build more units if your number of SCs > your number of units, or you have to disband units if your SCs < your units. Since only one unit can occupy a province at a time, you can only build units in unoccupied SCs that you own -- so if you gain one SC this round, make sure you have one SC unoccupied so that you can build a new unit.
You can capture enemy unoccupied provinces by just moving units into them (remember, province ownership changes are solidified only after Autumn Phases). You must have support to capture a province with an enemy unit in it. Your support unit only needs to be adjacent to the target province, not the attacking unit. DO NOT have the two units perform a "move" action into the target province -- one "moves" and the other "supports" the first. 1v1 = standoff, meaning nothing happens. 2v1 = victory, the attacking unit captures the enemy province and the enemy unit is forced to retreat. The supporting unit stays in its original province. If there's nowhere for the defeated enemy unit to retreat to, it is disbanded. In defense, you can support a unit performing a "hold" action to prevent a 2v1 by making it 2v2 and, thus, a standoff.
More complete rules can be found here: http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy.pdf
Don't get overwhelmed by all the specific rules -- just try to understand the general ideas in the beginning. The Winter Phase is talked about more on page 17.
Post by: taulover on February 26, 2017, 10:17:44 PM
Does Winter last the same amount of time as Spring and Autumn in our game?
Post by: Gerrick on February 26, 2017, 11:14:44 PM
Post by: taulover on March 02, 2017, 03:08:13 AM
http://media.wizards.com/2015/downloads/ah/diplomacy_rules.pdf
Post by: BraveSirRobin on March 05, 2017, 03:26:22 AM
Post by: Elbbsas on March 05, 2017, 03:48:53 AM
Post by: taulover on March 09, 2017, 02:38:10 AM
I play anything.(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F3QYWiA6.png&hash=f77971a14a8cc7930cee6d000902cc33)
Apparently, only if you're winning.
Post by: Arenado on March 09, 2017, 02:46:01 AM
I play anything.(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F3QYWiA6.png&hash=f77971a14a8cc7930cee6d000902cc33)
Apparently, only if you're winning.
Dude. Calm. The hell. Down.
Post by: taulover on March 09, 2017, 02:49:54 AM
Er, I think you're the one who needs to calm down. Quitting the game and thinking you've already lost just because you lost ONE supply center? That's not only poor sportsmanship, but also simply a terrible analysis of the game's situation.I play anything.(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F3QYWiA6.png&hash=f77971a14a8cc7930cee6d000902cc33)
Apparently, only if you're winning.
Dude. Calm. The hell. Down.
Post by: Gerrick on March 09, 2017, 03:47:25 AM
Perhaps we should play anonymous next time, though.
Post by: Hydra on March 09, 2017, 03:52:34 AM
Post by: BraveSirRobin on March 09, 2017, 04:04:33 AM
But seriously I feel like Diplomacy is the worst possible combination of Risk and Monopoly at the same time :D
Post by: Wintermoot on March 09, 2017, 04:21:45 AM
Post by: taulover on March 09, 2017, 04:41:40 AM
Both of us blew this way out of proportion, especially me, and I'd like to publicly apologize to North. I've just found out that North has been, to some extent, roleplaying the Kaiserreich, which (since I hadn't figured it out earlier) had led me to slowly dislike his behavior in-game. This led me to near-immediately label his behavior as poor character, rather than considering it as a legitimate in-game option. I definitely crossed a line personally attacking North on the forums, since many may see this thread as part of this community rather than the game (and especially since North is playing a character in-game), and for that I am sincerely sorry.
Post by: taulover on March 09, 2017, 04:54:40 AM
Perhaps we should play anonymous next time, though.I feel like we all have our own quirks in both writing and personality that would make anonymous play near-impossible, unfortunately.
Post by: Arenado on March 09, 2017, 05:23:00 AM
Post by: Elbbsas on March 09, 2017, 06:25:27 AM
Perhaps we should play anonymous next time, though.
That could be rather fun, but we'd either need to warp our writing styles or RP to the max. I'd be up for adopting a flouncy pounce-y high-class Brit accent, for instance. =P
Post by: Gerrick on March 13, 2017, 09:33:52 PM
Post by: BraveSirRobin on March 13, 2017, 11:09:01 PM
At the turn of the year 1905, the whole of the Turkish military joined together to sing one majestic song -- a song of vengeance and justice -- to the demons Austria and Russia.Meanwhile in Austria and Russia:Spoiler
Post by: Arenado on March 14, 2017, 05:44:00 AM
Post by: taulover on April 15, 2017, 11:28:47 PM
Just so we're all on the same page, vDiplomacy has a "Country sitter" feature that allows people who want to leave the game (whether temporarily or permanently) to hand over their country to someone else.
Post by: taulover on May 17, 2017, 02:12:12 AM
Post by: Gerrick on May 17, 2017, 02:27:42 AM
Congrats to Hydra, tau, and Elbbsas.
Post by: Elbbsas on May 17, 2017, 04:06:35 AM
Will anyone else be posting their messages? I'm pretty curious as to all the subterfuge that was going on.
Post by: taulover on May 17, 2017, 06:07:32 AM
1901, Robin: non-aggression pact and negotiations with Italy
(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fj7pibiZ.png&hash=dad841be6abe7946cf93dfa6e813099c)
1901, Elbbsas: discussing potential alliance
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1901, North: discussing potential alliance
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1901, North: negotiating Belgium
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1901, Robin: my nice pun
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1902, Elbbsas: I try to convince her that I'm not invading
(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FNfgf3uD.png&hash=6b954cf2ea70ab0b36bff14be7a93ffc)
(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FgPeCjoM.png&hash=62f762573a3afd8a09923cf1b4d44d78)
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1902, Robin: discussing his betrayal of Turkey (and he correctly guesses my moves)
(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FUOUH7AI.png&hash=d02e8f32714a31f67fe5e4bad9fcace4)
(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwArQDCz.png&hash=2aadc051587d32945d79031c49d9b97c)
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1902, Elbbsas: an interesting proposal
(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F3Cu9Etd.png&hash=bbc40bf3301bc412977f4df03281148b)
(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FA988W2T.png&hash=46af50cc315c4e4c2255c12d91ac901f)
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1903, North: he tries to convince me that he's not invading
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1903, Elbbsas: my proposal
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1903, Elbbsas: the alliance begins (also I should've heeded her warning that North was RP'ing)
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1903, Elbbsas: her strange overall strategy
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1903, Elbbsas: a problem turns into a perfect plan
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1904, Elbbsas: I make a halfhearted attempt at supporting Gerrick/Turkey
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1905, Robin: negotiations finally break down
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1913, Elbbsas: our last conversations (discussions gradually turned into stuff like this over the course of months)
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Post by: Elbbsas on May 17, 2017, 07:56:59 AM
1902, Robin: Advice
Robin: Aaahhh the slugfest!!!
Robin: Though it seems you're the one who's anticipating the slugfest... concerning positioning of the French or what?
Elbbsas: Germans too, at least to me. They don't have a great deal of space for expansion, and they're the only country that hasn't communicated with me yet! Everyone else said hi to some extent.
Robin: Ooh that is concerning then... but then again you do have a crap ton of navies to defend yourself... XD
Robin: Though it seems you're the one who's anticipating the slugfest... concerning positioning of the French or what?
Elbbsas: Germans too, at least to me. They don't have a great deal of space for expansion, and they're the only country that hasn't communicated with me yet! Everyone else said hi to some extent.
Robin: Ooh that is concerning then... but then again you do have a crap ton of navies to defend yourself... XD
1902, Robin: Advice after Tau moves to the North Atlantic Ocean
Robin: Uh oh. That doesn't look good. How're you fairing diplomatically?
Elbbsas: I'm mildly annoyed at myself for not talking about a certain thing (vagueness, yay). Other than that, I think things are going to be fine.
Elbbsas: But hey, I get to be first to lose a unit! That's neat.
Robin: Be careful with your defence. Convoys=Trouble. That and vague border shapes
Elbbsas: I'm mildly annoyed at myself for not talking about a certain thing (vagueness, yay). Other than that, I think things are going to be fine.
Elbbsas: But hey, I get to be first to lose a unit! That's neat.
Robin: Be careful with your defence. Convoys=Trouble. That and vague border shapes
1903, North: First communications!
North: Hey England. I got no beef with you but I need to use the North Sea right now. Could you please clear it our for a bit? I dont want to accidentally destroy your fleet. Dont worry, I'm not attacking you.
Elbbsas: Hey, Germany. That sounds highly suspicious. Why do you want the North Sea?
North: Russia is about to attack me. I want to launch an offensive on Scandinavian.
North: Trust me, if I was going to attack you I would not ask you to please move your navy
Elbbsas: Hey, Germany. That sounds highly suspicious. Why do you want the North Sea?
North: Russia is about to attack me. I want to launch an offensive on Scandinavian.
North: Trust me, if I was going to attack you I would not ask you to please move your navy
1903, Taulover: Meanwhile, in France
Elbbsas: Quick thing: North just asked if I could move out of the North Sea so he doesn't "accidentally" destroy my fleet.
Taulover: If you do, I don't fault you, and I do have contingency plans already in place for that.
If you don't, then thanks for sticking to your proposal.
Elbbsas: " Hey England. I got no beef with you but I need to use the North Sea right now. Could you please clear it our for a bit? I dont want to accidentally destroy your fleet. Dont worry, I'm not attacking you. "
Golly, that doesn't sound highly concerning or anything. XD
Elbbsas: I'll probably end up saying "yeah sure I'll move", and then keep camping it.
Taulover: Oh, I see what you mean. I mean, if you wanted to spite me for my betrayal, that's a perfectly valid move, even if North is lying and doing a very bad job at it.
Elbbsas: Nah. Spite is all well and good, but it's much more satisfying to try set someone else up to win. :P
Taulover: If you do, I don't fault you, and I do have contingency plans already in place for that.
If you don't, then thanks for sticking to your proposal.
Elbbsas: " Hey England. I got no beef with you but I need to use the North Sea right now. Could you please clear it our for a bit? I dont want to accidentally destroy your fleet. Dont worry, I'm not attacking you. "
Golly, that doesn't sound highly concerning or anything. XD
Elbbsas: I'll probably end up saying "yeah sure I'll move", and then keep camping it.
Taulover: Oh, I see what you mean. I mean, if you wanted to spite me for my betrayal, that's a perfectly valid move, even if North is lying and doing a very bad job at it.
Elbbsas: Nah. Spite is all well and good, but it's much more satisfying to try set someone else up to win. :P
1903, Gerrick: Advice
Gerrick: You and Germany need to make a truce if you don't want to be destroyed by the Austria/Russia/France alliance.
Elbbsas: Yeah, that's how it looks.
Elbbsas: Yeah, that's how it looks.
1903, North: Advice
North: Word of advice, protect Liverpool. France is about to invade it.
North: Look, I'll be honest with you, we dont stand a chance alone. We need each other because sure as the sun will rise in the morning France and Russia do not need us. Russia already stole Norway from you and invaded Austria. I have reason to believe They plan on me next. And France is planing to invade you. We need to work together to survive.
North: You need to move your fleet away from the North Sea. I want to help you but you wont survive if your fighting Russia and France.
Elbbsas: Alright, I'll move.
North: Protect yourself. When France moves on you, Ill move on France. Stand fast and good luck.
Elbbsas: You too.
North: France will attack Liverpool
North: Look, I'll be honest with you, we dont stand a chance alone. We need each other because sure as the sun will rise in the morning France and Russia do not need us. Russia already stole Norway from you and invaded Austria. I have reason to believe They plan on me next. And France is planing to invade you. We need to work together to survive.
North: You need to move your fleet away from the North Sea. I want to help you but you wont survive if your fighting Russia and France.
Elbbsas: Alright, I'll move.
North: Protect yourself. When France moves on you, Ill move on France. Stand fast and good luck.
Elbbsas: You too.
North: France will attack Liverpool
1903, Robin: Advice
Robin: Also, convoys can be prevented by attacking the convoying fleets
(I basically don't want England to die and France to inherit the Earth)
Robin: Move North sea to London, London to Wales, and Norwegian Sea to NAO. Will explain later but this is imperative if you prefer not being wiped from the map by the French, which is beneficial for the both of us.
Elbbsas: No, I can see where you are getting at. Thing is, North has two navies over there. If I don't support it, he can just move in freely while I move out.
Robin: Do you want to lose Liverpool?
Robin: And yeah he can move in if you move out and don't support it
Robin: And sorry for overt message there before that second one
I misread initially XD
Elbbsas: It'll be better for me to move in bits, all things considered.
Robin: Well in the event that your desire is to recap Liverpool (in the event it falls to a Frence Navy, which is possible next turn) by the end of the year so as not to lose a unit, drastic measures are required.
(I basically don't want England to die and France to inherit the Earth)
Robin: Move North sea to London, London to Wales, and Norwegian Sea to NAO. Will explain later but this is imperative if you prefer not being wiped from the map by the French, which is beneficial for the both of us.
Elbbsas: No, I can see where you are getting at. Thing is, North has two navies over there. If I don't support it, he can just move in freely while I move out.
Robin: Do you want to lose Liverpool?
Robin: And yeah he can move in if you move out and don't support it
Robin: And sorry for overt message there before that second one
I misread initially XD
Elbbsas: It'll be better for me to move in bits, all things considered.
Robin: Well in the event that your desire is to recap Liverpool (in the event it falls to a Frence Navy, which is possible next turn) by the end of the year so as not to lose a unit, drastic measures are required.
1903, North: Irony
North: What. The heck. Is wrong with you? Why did you not evacuate the north sea?
North: Do you really think that I am your biggest enemy? France just took Liverpool from you because you ignored me. Well done, genius.
North: London will probably fall next, maybe just make things easier for France and leave?
North: Or capitulate now, save everyone some trouble.
North: If you want to survive do EXACTLY what I tell you. You will lose one navy in the next turn. Lost the North sea and move your navies to York and Edinburgh, then take Liverpool back before France steamrolls you. I want to help you but I cant if you keep attacking me. Now, do you want to live or die?
North: Do you really think that I am your biggest enemy? France just took Liverpool from you because you ignored me. Well done, genius.
North: London will probably fall next, maybe just make things easier for France and leave?
North: Or capitulate now, save everyone some trouble.
North: If you want to survive do EXACTLY what I tell you. You will lose one navy in the next turn. Lost the North sea and move your navies to York and Edinburgh, then take Liverpool back before France steamrolls you. I want to help you but I cant if you keep attacking me. Now, do you want to live or die?
1903, Robin: I attempt lying
Robin: You didn't counter tau!?
Elbbsas: Sorry )= The Germans are playing mind games.
Elbbsas: Sorry )= The Germans are playing mind games.
1903, North: I attempt lying, part two
Elbbsas: ...Right, I've been trying to puzzle this out for a bit. What does "lost the North Sea" mean? I can assume you mean for me to move out (sorry about that, Robin was suggesting I act otherwise and now I'm thinking that advice was bogus), but I'd like some clarification. I really don't want to misinterpret stuff.
North: Defend. Your. Homeland. While you do that (with your now only 2 navies) I will attack France. But I need North Sea.
North: Defend. Your. Homeland. While you do that (with your now only 2 navies) I will attack France. But I need North Sea.
Post by: BraveSirRobin on May 17, 2017, 11:50:12 PM
Wintreath's inaugural game of Diplomacy (http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30335#gamePanel) is over at last, ending in a three-way draw with myself, xXTheHydraXx, and Elbbsas! :D*saddened but got 2nd in Scav*
Post by: taulover on May 17, 2017, 11:53:31 PM
Wait what does Scav mean?Wintreath's inaugural game of Diplomacy (http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30335#gamePanel) is over at last, ending in a three-way draw with myself, xXTheHydraXx, and Elbbsas! :D*saddened but got 2nd in Scav*
Post by: BraveSirRobin on May 18, 2017, 05:04:58 PM
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :oWait what does Scav mean?Wintreath's inaugural game of Diplomacy (http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30335#gamePanel) is over at last, ending in a three-way draw with myself, xXTheHydraXx, and Elbbsas! :D*saddened but got 2nd in Scav*
http://scavhunt.uchicago.edu/
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Also, I can't believe that was 3 years ago.
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